Russian-Ukrainian War: Combat Tactics & Strategy

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ks_sachin wrote:
Pratyush wrote:

What is the meaning of air superiority?

If one airforce is doing what needs to be done and when it needs to be done. The why is air superiority deemed to be absent?
Have they done what needs to be done?

Considering Deans is based close to the conflict zone I will trust him when he quotes RuAF pilots being hesitant in doing low level flying due to the threat of man pads. That means that the use RuAF in support of combat operations could be less than optimal.
Based in India for some years now, but my former colleagues include ex Russian military. Russia actually has a low Loss / 1000 sorties ratio, so they are ordered to not take unnecessary risks. They might start doing so, once pilots get more combat experience, they run short of PGMs and Ukraine's air defences get more degraded. In all fairness to Russia, Ukrainian pilots also say that any mission they fly is probably a one way mission. Also, a lot of CAS missions can be done by artillery. Russia does not do CAS if it feels that the mission will cost 10X of artillery.

That said, the Wagner group has their own air force and their soldiers say their close air support is better than what the Russian army gets. There was criticism of the air force when they were unable to provide enough CAS to the Donbass militia during Ukraine's advances in Kharkov-Lyman and currently not flying in foggy weather in the Kherson area.
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Thanks, Deans,

Just shows how nuanced this whole area is.

But I do stand corrected.

I do have an issue with this statement of your:
Also, a lot of CAS missions can be done by artillery. Russia does not do CAS if it feels that the mission will cost 10X of artillery.
Are we talking Combat Air Support or Close Air Support....The later I think is a lot dicier and requires a level of precision that Arty may lack.

Kargil with the MK2s was a case in point.

I though am an arm chair gernail!!
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Though a lot of us like or believe it to be, Russia's objective (having failed to topple Kiev regime in the first few weeks) has NOT been to "achieve victory in the shortest possible time, even if it means causing limitless destruction and countless casualties civil and military". The economic and geopolitical events and realignments that have unfolded over the past 6 months are in many ways a lot more important and beneficial to Russia than just a military victory over Ukraine. Russia had to work quite hard outside the battlefield as well to secure these, but their gains are very very significant.

More in the geopolitical thread.
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ks_sachin wrote: I do have an issue with this statement of your:
Also, a lot of CAS missions can be done by artillery. Russia does not do CAS if it feels that the mission will cost 10X of artillery.
Are we talking Combat Air Support or Close Air Support....The later I think is a lot dicier and requires a level of precision that Arty may lack.
I was referring to Close air support. Drones and Spl forces do the spotting for aircraft. Air-ground coordination had been patchy so far.
Gen. Surovikin is supposed to have got this right in Syria.
Granted that Russian artillery is not precise. However, they make up for it with saturation fire. Russian doctrine calls for aircraft or attack helicopters to be available at short notice to support the army (air force formations are subordinate to the army. However, they won't call for CAS (or it will be refused), if 100 shells landing around the target area will also ensure the target is destroyed.

I think the RuAF was more disappointing in interdicting supplies, or attacking targets in the rear. To attack targets some distance behind the front, the problem faced by the RuAF is that NATO AWACS, flying over NATO airspace, give advance warning of incoming aircraft. Targets disperse and ground based SAM radars get switched on at the last minute, to guide S-300 or BUK/TOR anti aircraft missiles (Ukraine has lost most aircraft to the same kind of SAM trap). The Russians have so far preferred missiles to aircraft for fixed targets and have now started using drones.
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One learn everyday.

Thanks Deans.
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Some intense bomming of Zaporozhye in progress...what is the significance of this town Deans saar ?
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word is that the Dneiper HES has been blown up. If true expect complete communication breakdown , and no electricity in ukraine within days if not sooner. I ve a feeling ,sooner or later Ukrainian public will capitulate.

this escalation will create headaches for MEA . Yesterday india voted against russia on secret ballot/open ballot. Tomorrow is the vote on the annexed region.

India needs to figure out a good way to at least abstain.
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gakakkad wrote:this escalation will create headaches for MEA . Yesterday india voted against russia on secret ballot/open ballot. Tomorrow is the vote on the annexed region. India needs to figure out a good way to at least abstain.
India declines to disclose upcoming U.N. vote on Ukraine (one against one for one against one for ......rinse repeat) https://www.reuters.com/world/india-dec ... 022-10-10/
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Taking to Telegram, the region's governor, Maxim Kozitsky said, "As of this moment, there have been three explosions at two energy facilities in the Lviv region,", and the mayor of Lviv, Andriy Sadovyi, reported that a portion of the region's largest city, also called Lviv, was without electricity
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https://www.livemint.com/news/world/ind ... 30543.html

yesterday there was insignificant vote in which india voted against russia


unkil pressure must be tremendous...
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IndraD wrote:Some intense bomming of Zaporozhye in progress...what is the significance of this town Deans saar ?
Its the capital of the newly annexed / incorporated province with the same name. Most of the province is occupied by Russia, but the capital, with most of the population is with Ukraine (the city of Zaporozhye).
Apart from the nuclear plant (in Russian hands and some distance from the city), it has a large thermal plant and Ukraine's biggest hydel plant.
Knocking out the latter two will contribute to the de-electrification of Ukraine. The city is also a major industrial center and logistics hub.

The city is barely 20km from the front. If Russia wanted to destroy the city, artillery could have flattened it. However, even now, they seem to be
going for precision strikes.
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The following article or at least the headline and the UK PM's Truss call for a NATO meeting is sufficient proof that Russia has **adequate control**, including skies, in Ukraine.

Kyiv calls for air defenses as Putin brings his Syria tactics to Ukraine
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The different logistical hubs are being flattened on day 2 of the actual war. So far my biggest complaint was the lackadaisical effort to hit points upstream where resources and manpower was collected before getting sent to the front. There are only a few major nodes where Ukrs can do it and unfortunately for months this was not done.

This is now rectified now. Western Ukr needs to face what people of Donbass faced for 8 years. One winter should bring them to their senses.

I hope with replenishment , there are at least 100 strikes every day on logistics and communication hubs everyday. Without replenishment, i believe /read that Russia has about 6 months of missiles available.
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U.S. working to expedite shipment of NASAMS air defenses to Ukraine -White House https://www.reuters.com/world/us-workin ... 022-10-11/
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Ukraine Says 32 Prisoners of War Released by Russia https://www.usnews.com/news/world/artic ... -by-russia
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gakakkad wrote:https://www.livemint.com/news/world/ind ... 30543.html

yesterday there was insignificant vote in which india voted against russia


unkil pressure must be tremendous...

No, India is playing a clever game or should I say astute diplomacy. Its doing enough to keep the west content and not more to antagonize russia.

we should fly under the radar until we can become atleast a 5 trillion economy when the world can no longer ignore India.
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Yesterday's vote was to decide whether the upcoming vote in the UN General Assembly (UNGA) on a draft resolution to denounce Moscow's "illegal" annexation of four areas of Ukraine should be a public vote or a secret vote.

India voted in favour of a public vote on the draft resolution along with more than 100 other countries, rejecting Russia's plan for a secret ballot. This was just a vote on procedure.

India already abstained on a similar denunciation resolution put up for vote at UNSC level, its position will not change when the same resolution is put up again for a wider UNGA vote.

It will be fun if the resolution fails in UNGA and many countries openly abstain or side with Russia. Lets see...
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Pratyush wrote:
gakakkad wrote:why hasn't Russia been able to establish air superiority? what implications does it have for India ?

What is the meaning of air superiority?

If one airforce is doing what needs to be done and when it needs to be done. The why is air superiority deemed to be absent?
Western arms like HIMARS are reaching Ukrainians and getting deployed and affecting the battlefield.
So, the airforce is NOT doing what needs to be done and perhaps that is why air superiority is deemed to be absent.
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There is whole chain of events that needs to happen form when as asset is deployed to it being taken out by air power. Your assumption that HIMRS still operational = RuAF ineffective is simplistic and devoid of any deductive logic.
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Colonel Douglas MacGregor's views on what might be coming. 23 minutes long

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1u519OI7pPM
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IndraD wrote:U.S. working to expedite shipment of NASAMS air defenses to Ukraine -White House https://www.reuters.com/world/us-workin ... 022-10-11/
Russia could tap into India's expertise in defeating AMRAAM. We have done it once.
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NRao wrote:Colonel Douglas MacGregor's views on what might be coming. 23 minutes long

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1u519OI7pPM
Colonel has great enthusiasm for the upcoming Russian operation, which should have happened in March. but the main point here is the agenda of the Slavic country and aspirations which is tied to land and population lying across various present day borders.
NATO and deep state is seeing this as an opportunity to undo Russ and Ukraine war is all about that.
No one is working for peace as of now.
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https://english.alarabiya.net/News/worl ... rator-PERN
Leak detected in Druzhba oil pipeline: Polish pipeline operator PERN

Polish operator PERN has detected a leak in one pipeline in the Druzhba system that carries oil from Russia to Europe, it said on Wednesday, an event that will add to concerns about Europe’s energy security after the Nord Stream gas leak.

The discovery of the leak, which PERN said it found on Tuesday evening, comes as Europe faces a severe energy crisis in the aftermath of Moscow’s invasion of Ukraine which has cut supplies of gas in a continuing stand-off.


PERN said at this point the causes of the leak are unknown. It was detected in a section of the pipe around 70 kilometers from the central Polish city of Plock.

The Druzhba oil pipeline, whose name means “friendship” in Russian, is one of the world’s largest, supplying Russian oil to much of central Europe including Germany, Poland, Belarus, Hungary, Slovakia, the Czech Republic and Austria.

The second line of the pipeline, and other elements of PERN’s infrastructure, were working as normal, PERN said.

“At this point, all PERN services (technical, operational, in-house fire brigade and environmental protection) are taking action in accordance with the algorithms provided for this type of situation,” the operator said.

A spokesperson for the Czech pipeline operator MERO said it had not seen any change in flows to the Czech Republic.

Germany’s Schwedt refinery, which supplies 90 percent of Berlin’s fuel, its economy ministry and federal network regulator were not immediately available for comment.

The leak in the subsea Nord Stream 1 and 2 gas pipelines has been blamed on sabotage by both the West and Russia. It was not immediately clear how significant the leak in the Druzhba pipeline was.
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IndraD wrote:U.S. working to expedite shipment of NASAMS air defenses to Ukraine -White House https://www.reuters.com/world/us-workin ... 022-10-11/
Oct 11, 2022 article.

Cruise Missile Defense of North America is a ‘Picket Fence,’ NORAD Commander Says
The top general in charge of the defense of North America delivered a sobering account of Russian and Chinese threats and described his command’s ability to detect and defend against a cruise missile attack as little more than a “picket fence.”
“For the first time in our nation’s history, [we have] two strategic peers, both nuclear-armed, that we need to deal with,” VanHerck said at the Association of United States Army conference in Washington, D.C. “While we were focused on violent extremists for last 20-plus years, they were developing capabilities to hold our homeland at risk.”

More concretely, Russia possesses a large arsenal of cruise missiles and the platform to fire them with little warning to the United States.
Russia is currently launching cruise missile attacks on Ukrainian cities. In response to questions from reporters Oct. 11 about pleas for air defense systems by the Ukrainian government, White House National Security Council strategic communications coordinator John Kirby noted that Russia uses long-range cruise missiles fired from bombers flying inside of Russian airspace, making the threat hard to address through air defense systems.
A lot more details in the article relate to US defense, but are directly related to the skies over Ukraine. Imo, it is not even a contest. Even if NATO boots are sent I very much doubt the end results will be different.

Russia has adequate control, for her purposes (granted not enough to convince arm chair Generals), of skies over Ukraine, in all facets of this conflict. And, that balance will continue even if we see further escalations.
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The mastermind of the operation was the head of Ukraine’s military intelligence, Russia’s FSB security service has alleged
Russia names chief suspect in Crimea Bridge attack https://www.rt.com/russia/564510-fsb-cr ... e-bombing/

Russia’s domestic security service, the FSB, has announced arrests over the attack on the Crimean Bridge. It has also revealed details of the alleged Ukrainian terrorist plot, including its mastermind.

The agency accused the Ukrainian Main Intelligence Directorate (GUR) of the Ukrainian Defense Ministry of being behind the explosion, which damaged the strategic structure last Saturday. It claimed that Commander, Kirill Budanov, was personally responsible for the operation.

Russia has identified 12 individuals as suspected accomplices in the plot and has arrested eight of them, the FSB said. The list of people in custody includes five Russians and three foreigners, who have citizenship of Ukraine and Armenia.

The FSB claimed that the deadly cargo came from the Ukrainian city of Odessa. The explosives were disguised as rolls with plastic construction film, which were shipped on pallets and weighed 22,770 kg, the statement said.

Investigators said the shipment left Odessa in August and went through Ruse, Bulgaria, to Poti in Georgia. It was then moved to Armenia, a country which has a free trade agreement and a relaxed customs regime with Russia. It was then imported into Russia via Georgia on October 4, according to the timeline.


The transportation paperwork identified a non-existent firm in Crimea as the final recipient, according to the Russian agency. But the set of documents was only the latest of several used to disguise the movement of the cargo, it added.

An agent of the GUR, known as ‘Ivan Ivanovich’ controlled the progress of the shipment, the FSB claimed. He used an anonymous ‘virtual’ phone number for communication as well as a second regular mobile number, linked to a Ukrainian citizen, it revealed.

“The investigation continues. All organizers and accomplices in the crime, including foreign citizens, will be held accountable,” the agency stressed.
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I remember an interview by one of a previous Brahmos chief where he said - imagine a salvo of 1000 brahmos fired at your enemy? - that is where we need to get - potent stuff.

if you have domestic capacity to produce ammo, cruise missiles, and guns on the cheap - with nuclear cover - your land is secure.
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ks_sachin wrote:There is whole chain of events that needs to happen form when as asset is deployed to it being taken out by air power. Your assumption that HIMRS still operational = RuAF ineffective is simplistic and devoid of any deductive logic.
Quite possible.
But western arms are making 1200 kms long journey from Polish border to the front. And that these arent getting destroyed on the way suggests that Russian air force does not have control of Ukrainian skies.
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NATO, partners to discuss bolstering Ukraine air defence https://www.reuters.com/world/ukraine-v ... 022-10-10/

PATRIOT??
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https://www.nytimes.com/2022/10/11/worl ... timesworld

NYT has quietly changed headline
It was boasting if US launched 200 missiles it would have killed for more than Russia, implying Ru missiles are ineffective
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Posting in full, from the Washington Post:

Biden scrambles to avert cracks in pro-Ukraine coalition
As winter approaches, he’s phoning foreign leaders and facing GOP skeptics
President Biden has held hours of conversations in recent months with Indian Prime Minister Narendra Modi, South African President Cyril Ramaphosa and other foreign leaders who have not always supported the Western coalition in support of Ukraine, urging them to stand firm against Russian President Vladimir Putin.

So — whether through Biden’s efforts or not — the White House was pleasantly surprised when Modi confronted Putin at a summit last month, lecturing him that “today’s era is not of war” and that Putin should “move onto a path of peace,” comments unusual for a leader who has gone to great lengths to remain neutral in the Russia-Ukraine conflict, according to a senior White House official who like others interviewed for this report spoke on the condition of anonymity to discuss private conversations.

As these discussions show, Biden is now pushing hard to hold together what has become a central mission of his presidency: maintaining the global and domestic coalition supporting Ukraine. As the war heads into its first winter, probably a bitter and brutal one, some U.S. allies face economic head winds fueled by the war, while some Republicans at home voice skepticism about the billions in aid going to Ukraine.

These efforts face a major test Wednesday when the United Nations votes on a draft resolution condemning Russia’s annexation of four parts of Ukraine. Biden and U.S. officials have been working to convince nonaligned countries in Latin America, Asia and Africa to refrain from taking a neutral position and condemn the Kremlin outright, an effort analysts said might be bolstered by Russia’s barrage of missile attacks Monday on Kyiv and other major Ukrainian cities.

U.S. leaders are hoping at least 100 of the 193 U.N. member states — the number that supported a 2014 U.N. resolution condemning Russia’s annexation of Crimea — will support the draft resolution, several senior administration officials said. In March, when the United States first offered a U.N. resolution condemning Russia’s invasion, it received support from 141 member states; arguably, fewer votes than that will mean diplomatic ground has been lost.

Biden and the Group of Seven leaders are set to hold a virtual meeting Tuesday morning “to discuss their unwavering commitment to support Ukraine and hold Putin accountable in the face of Russia’s aggression and atrocities,” including Monday’s missile strikes, according to a White House schedule. Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky will join leaders at the start of the meeting.

Even as Biden scrambles to hold together his global coalition, cracks are showing in political support at home for the billions in aid the United States is sending Ukraine. Those fissures are likely to widen significantly if Republicans recapture the House on Nov. 8.
A Pew Research poll shows that the share of Americans who are extremely or very concerned about a Ukrainian defeat fell from 55 percent in May to 38 percent in September. Among Republicans and Republican-leaning independents, 32 percent say the United States is providing too much support for the war — up from 9 percent in March.

Some U.S. officials admit privately that despite Modi’s surprise confrontation with Putin, they are skeptical they will see a breakthrough with India, which has extensive political and military ties with Russia. But they are hopeful that Putin’s missile barrage on Monday will help persuade South Africa and other countries.

“This will remind a lot of U.N. members that Ukraine is the victim in this war,” said Richard Gowan, a U.N. expert at the International Crisis Group. “That has, to some extent, got lost in recent U.N. debates, with a lot of U.N. members calling for peace in rather vague terms.” While Ukraine’s recent military successes may have given the impression that it needed less help, he said, “these strikes may rebalance diplomats’ reading of the situation.”

But diplomacy has not been easy. Developing countries in Africa, South America and Southeast Asia have been disproportionately hurt by the rising fuel prices and a global food shortage driven by war. Biden, in talks with his counterparts, has gone to great lengths to argue that Russian aggression and blockades, not U.S. sanctions, are responsible for their struggles, officials said.

Recent events have only added to the sense that the war will be a long slog. After a key strategic Russian bridge was spectacularly blown up Saturday, which Putin blamed on Ukraine, Moscow launched a furious counterattack on Monday targeting Kyiv and other Ukrainian cities.

Even before that, fighting on both sides had escalated in recent weeks. U.S. officials expect the fighting to slow during the Ukrainian winter, when cold weather and muddy conditions will hobble military operations. But with Ukraine and Russia both apparently convinced they can and must win, negotiations seem a long way off, especially with Putin’s annexation and recent mobilization of up to 300,000 reservists.

So far, the White House has been able to maintain bipartisan support for several multibillion-dollar aid and weapons packages to Ukraine, but some Republicans aligned with former president Donald Trump have begun raising questions about why the United States is spending so much money on a distant war overseas. And a decision last week by a Saudi- and Russian-led coalition to slash oil production is likely to send gas prices climbing again, which could sour the public even further.

“Maintaining support here and in Congress, and with the broader American public, is something we do think about and recognize over time will increasingly become a challenge, inevitably,” a senior administration official said. “But there are probably people who would have thought even at this point, seven months into the conflict, that we would have a hard time with what remains pretty bipartisan unity.”

Europe is also racing for a winter of high fuel prices, threatening support from that quarter, though European leaders also remain sharply opposed to Putin and his agenda on the continent.

Biden and Zelensky have spoken regularly since the war began, often every two to three weeks, White House officials said. The two spoke again on Monday, when Biden expressed his condemnation of Russia’s missile strikes and pledged to provide Ukraine “with the support needed to defend itself,” according to a White House readout of the call.

But the relationship has not always been smooth.

Early in the war, Zelensky called repeatedly and publicly on the United States and other Western countries to do more — to send additional weapons and impose harsher sanctions on Russia — even as Biden and Congress were already sending unprecedented amounts of aid and advanced weapons to Kyiv.

Biden understood as a fellow politician that Zelensky had to advocate forcefully for his people, but he also told the Ukrainian leader privately that it would be hard for him to keep asking Congress for money if Zelensky appeared ungrateful and kept saying it was not enough, according to a former White House official.

Still, when asked how long the United States can be expected to pour billions into the war effort, Biden and his top aides frequently say: “As long as it takes.”

Privately, U.S. officials say neither Russia nor Ukraine is capable of winning the war outright, but they have ruled out the idea of pushing or even nudging Ukraine to the negotiating table. They say they do not know what the end of the war looks like, or how it might end or when, insisting that is up to Kyiv.

“That’s a decision for the Ukrainians to make,” a senior State Department official said. “Our job now is to help them be in absolutely the best position militarily on the battlefield … for that day when they do choose to go to the diplomatic table.”

And Ukrainian officials now say they have less appetite to negotiate than ever before, given their recent battlefield successes and Russia’s illegal annexation attempt.

Ukrainian forces have successfully recaptured key territories and cities, including the eastern city of Lyman, and they are making further inroads into the occupied areas of Luhansk Oblast. In the south, Ukraine’s hard-fought slog has resulted in some gains along the Dnieper River toward the strategic city of Kherson.

The territorial gains came as Putin crossed a red line for Zelensky with the illegal annexation of four regions of Ukraine. For weeks, Zelensky had warned that such a move would be the death knell for future peace talks, and he signed a decree last week formally ruling out negotiations.

The Ukrainian president now says that only if Putin is removed from power would Ukraine consider coming back to the table. “We will negotiate with the new president,” Zelensky said in a video address.

Moscow responded by saying it would not end its military operations if Kyiv refuses to negotiate.

All of this adds up to a war that looks increasingly open-ended, as even those in Zelensky’s inner circle most open to exploring negotiations with Russia said Putin’s annexations marked a fatal blow.

“Putin injected the virus of infinite war with his annexation move,” said David Arakhamia, a top negotiator for Zelensky and the majority leader of Ukraine’s parliament, in an interview. “Ukraine will never accept this.”

Russia’s action was not a complete surprise to the United States, since many officials had seen signs since last spring that Russia might make the brazen move of annexing territories. Biden asked his national security adviser, Jake Sullivan, and a “tiger team” to put together an approach and set of policy options for when Russia moved forward, a senior White House official said.

The United States also privately raised a potential annexation as something for other Western countries to focus on, including the United Kingdom, Germany and France. The U.K. also had intelligence showing Putin could go down that path, a senior administration official said.

On Sept. 21, the same day Putin ordered a partial military mobilization and expressed support for the staged referendums that were a precursor to annexation of Ukrainian territories, Biden was set to deliver a speech before the U.N. General Assembly. U.S. officials waited to see what Putin would say, then rewrote parts of Biden’s speech that morning to forcefully condemn Putin’s thinly veiled threat to use nuclear weapons and stage the sham referendums.

On the way over to U.N. headquarters, Biden was still reworking parts of his speech with Sullivan and Secretary of State Antony Blinken.
“Again, just today, President Putin has made overt nuclear threats against Europe and a reckless disregard for the responsibilities of the nonproliferation regime,” Biden said, adding: “This world should see these outrageous acts for what they are.”
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https://thegrayzone.com/2022/10/10/ukra ... ch-bridge/

The secret British intelligence plot to blow up Crimea’s Kerch Bridge is revealed in internal documents and correspondence obtained exclusively by The Grayzone.
The Grayzone has obtained an April 2022 presentation drawn up for senior British intelligence officers hashing out an elaborate scheme to blow up Crimea’s Kerch Bridge with the involvement of specially trained Ukrainian soldiers. Almost six months after the plan was circulated, Kerch Bridge was attacked in an October 8th suicide bombing apparently overseen by Ukraine’s SBU intelligence services.

Detailed proposals for providing “audacious” support to Kiev’s “maritime raiding operations” were drafted at the request of Chris Donnelly, a senior British Army intelligence operative and veteran high ranking NATO advisor. The wide-ranging plan’s core component was “destruction of the bridge over the Kerch Strait.”

Documents and correspondence plotting the operation were provided to The Grayzone by an anonymous source.

The truck bombing of the Kerch Bridge differed operationally from the plot sketched therein. Yet, Britain’s evident interest in planning such an attack underscores the deep involvement of NATO powers in the Ukraine proxy war. At almost precisely the time that London reportedly sabotaged peace talks between Kiev and Moscow in April this year, British military intelligence operatives were drawing up blueprints to destroy a major Russian bridge crossed by thousands of civilians per day.

The roadmap was produced by Hugh Ward, a British military veteran. A number of strategies for helping Ukraine “pose a threat to Russian naval forces” in the Black Sea are outlined. The overriding objectives are stated as aiming to “degrade” Russia’s ability to blockade Kiev, “erode” Moscow’s “warfighting capability”, and isolate Russian land and maritime forces in Crimea by “denying resupply by sea and overland via Kerch bridge.”
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I'd bet James Bond was involved in NS blow up as well. UK is neck deep and that's why Truss is doubling down. The first call she made as PM was to Zelinsky.
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Well ......

NATO Chief on Russia-Ukraine conflict: Putin's win will be a defeat for all of us

A Russia victory would be a defeat for NATO. That from the Sec Gen of NATO.
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Kiev receives first unit of German air defense system
Ukraine's Defense Minister has hailed the arrival of the IRIS-T as the beginning of a “new era of air defense” https://twitter.com/oleksiireznikov/sta ... xdppFTc1KQ
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IndraD wrote:Kiev receives first unit of German air defense system
Ukraine's Defense Minister has hailed the arrival of the IRIS-T as the beginning of a “new era of air defense” https://twitter.com/oleksiireznikov/sta ... xdppFTc1KQ
What is Germany's IRIS-T air defense system?
It is the first of four such systems expected to be delivered to Ukraine by next year.
Rafael Loss, defense expert at the European Council on Foreign Relations (ECFR), said that the new systems were likely to enhance Ukraine's defenses significantly, once more were sent, though they were not necessarily the "game changer" that the Ukrainians have been trumpeting them as.
The system is manufactured by Diehl Defense, based in Überlingen, southern Germany, and is meant to provide medium-range, high-altitude cover for small cities and armies.
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NRao wrote:Well ......

NATO Chief on Russia-Ukraine conflict: Putin's win will be a defeat for all of us

A Russia victory would be a defeat for NATO. That from the Sec Gen of NATO.
the primary target of the ameriki deepstate is germany. They are using UKR as a façade

NATO will become collateral damage.

sections of the french public are already out, marching on the streets and demanding that france quits NATO immediately.

the amerikis have always been fearful of the germans and the russians getting together.

The sabotage of the nord stream pipeline was to disrupt the rather cosy relationship between the germans and the russians and eliminate options for the germans.

" Victoria Nuland, explained in a State Department press briefing on January 27: “If Russia invades Ukraine one way or another, Nord Stream 2 will not move forward "

and during another press conference, "During the press conference Biden stated emphatically that, “If Russia invades … there will no longer [be] a Nord Stream 2.. We will bring an end to it.”

The german aam aadmi in the majority support the project, it's only the elite and the media who are against it

why the german chancellor is so hell bent on doing the ameriki bidding is a bit mystifying. Prolonged energy shortage will cause a significant amount of deindustrialization for germany, dropping standards of living and wages and all the turbulence that follows in the wake of a economic slowdown.

not surprising at all that the germans were serenading the chinese and trying to get into their good books.

Meanwhile, the ameriki MIC is gearing up to go into overdrive

The germans already have a massive social load of a freeloading militant mid east refugee population that will precipitate massive law and order problems when they see their social entitlements being whittled down by the state

the german defense budget will spike sharply as they turn inward and rearm themselves to de-risk the tepid NATO support in case the proverbial hits the fan
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Chetakji,

Warm welcome back. Even Raghuram Rajan missed you…. :mrgreen:
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Tanaji wrote:Chetakji,

Warm welcome back. Even Raghuram Rajan missed you…. :mrgreen:
Thanks, Tanaji saar.

The blood boils when one hears him pontificating on runditeevee and on karan thappad's show, pushing his snake oil remedies.
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Cyrano wrote:Yesterday's vote was to decide whether the upcoming vote in the UN General Assembly (UNGA) on a draft resolution to denounce Moscow's "illegal" annexation of four areas of Ukraine should be a public vote or a secret vote.

India voted in favour of a public vote on the draft resolution along with more than 100 other countries, rejecting Russia's plan for a secret ballot. This was just a vote on procedure.

It will be fun if the resolution fails in UNGA and many countries openly abstain or side with Russia. Lets see...
India abstains from UNGA vote on Russia's illegal annexation of Ukraine. The resolution was adopted with 143 nations voting in favour, with Russia, Belarus, North Korea, Syria, Nicaragua voting against and 35 abstentions.
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