Russian-Ukrainian War: Combat Tactics & Strategy

IndraD · Post by **IndraD** » 16 Oct 2022 21:19

mutterings on russian handles Kiev2 will be launched..any input Deans saar?

IndraD · Post by **IndraD** » 16 Oct 2022 21:27

No, actually they do this when they're covering up a defeat, like the one the unlucky 128th Brigade suffered yesterday at Dudchany-Mylovoe. https://twitter.com/RWApodcast/status/1 ... j7BC9eLdHg

Atmavik · Post by **Atmavik** » 16 Oct 2022 22:13

IndraD wrote:mutterings on russian handles Kiev2 will be launched..any input Deans saar?

Forget Kiev, they had to retreat from Izium and Lyman. I think they will not make much progress now

IndraD · Post by **IndraD** » 16 Oct 2022 22:29

https://t.me/kulemzin_donetsk/9741
Ukraine using US's HIMRAS to attack Donbass

Deans · Post by **Deans** » 16 Oct 2022 23:35

IndraD wrote:mutterings on russian handles Kiev2 will be launched..any input Deans saar?

See my previous post. Its looks like there will be some kind of operations launched from Belarus.
If Kiev is a target, it would have to be either East or West of the Dnieper, or East, then south to Kiev. In Feb, Russia used both routes.

The current Russia-Belarus group in Kiev most likely does not have the strength to advance on both axis - they can't support each other as the Dnieper river is in between. Russia would have identified all the shortcomings of their Feb operation and make sure they have the logistics to sustain any advance. That is a reason Russians are speculating that it will be thrust East of Dnieper, South from Chernihiv.
Gomel, which is a large Belarus city and rail hub is just 50 km from Chernihiv. The road network East of the Dnieper is also a lot better than the west.

If I have to guess, I'd say Kiev will not be a target (requires too many men to take it), but approaching Kiev will force Ukraine to deploy a lot of men to defend it and widen the front which Ukraine has to defend - because a large force south of Cherniv can threaten Kiev, or the West bank of the Dineper (cutting the country in 2), or the road to Sumy & kharkiv.

IndraD · Post by **IndraD** » 17 Oct 2022 04:07

Igor Strelkov, a veteran of several armed conflicts, has reportedly volunteered for the frontline

Ukraine's military intelligence service (GUR) announced on Sunday a $100,000 bounty for the capture of prominent Russian military blogger Igor Strelkov, who had a brief stint as defense minister of the Donetsk People’s Republic (DPR) back in 2014.

Kiev accuses the blogger of committing a series of war crimes and engaging in “terrorist activity.”

Strelkov, 51, whose real name is Igor Girkin, fought in the conflicts in Transnistria and Bosnia in the 1990s as a volunteer, and later in Chechnya while serving in the Federal Security Service (FSB), Russia’s top domestic spy agency. He quit the FSB in 2013 and led a squad of volunteer fighters in support of the DPR a year later. In Donbass, he quickly became one of the most prominent commanders and served as the DPR’s defense minister for three months soon after the region declared its independence from Ukraine in 2014.

Later, Strelkov returned to Russia and emerged as a prolific military blogger and commentator. Ukraine initially put him on a wanted list in 2020. The Dutch authorities also filed charges against him for his alleged role in the shooting down of Malaysian Airlines Flight 17 over Donbass in 2014. He denied the allegations.

Strelkov stopped posting new messages to his accounts earlier last week. His wife, Miroslava Reginskaya, posted a photo on social media on Saturday of her husband in fatigues, promising that Strelkov would “make contact soon.” The blogger himself reposted her message on Sunday, without commenting. Some other Russian military bloggers then claimed Strelkov had joined one of the volunteer battalions in the ongoing conflict between Moscow and Kiev.

https://www.rt.com/russia/564787-ukrain ... y-capture/

bala · Post by **bala** » 17 Oct 2022 07:34

Russia to go through with Ukraine operation despite NATO’s involvement - Kremlin
https://tass.com/russia/1523439
October 16, 2022

NATO has in fact got involved in the conflict in Ukraine but it is in no way affecting Russia’s goals, Kremlin Spokesman Dmitry Peskov told Rossiya-1 on Sunday.

"In fact, NATO has got involved in the Ukrainian conflict. However, it is in no way affecting our goals. That said, the operation will continue and we will go through with it," he said in an interview with host of the "Moscow. Kremlin.

// So despite NATO helping Ukraine, Russia is firm in its goals. Looks like more destruction of Ukraine and its handlers.

Nihat · Post by **Nihat** » 17 Oct 2022 11:32

What else was Russia supposed to say. They have to go ahead with the operation now as anything else will look like weakness. With the new commander in charge of operations and attacks on civilian infrastructure (including drone strikes in the capital this morning) the strategy seems to be to badger the civilians and get Ukraine to the negotiation table, which is not bad per se.

Let's see if it works out before winters

Dilbu · Post by **Dilbu** » 17 Oct 2022 12:13

Ukraine's capital Kyiv rocked by blasts 2nd time in a week, Kamikaze drones used

Ukraine's capital Kyiv was rocked by blasts early on Monday for the second time in a week as several residential buildings were damaged in the central Shevchenkivskyi district, mayor Vitalii Klitshchko said. "Rescuers are on the site," the mayor said adding that as a result of what he claimed was a drone attack, a fire also broke out in a non-residential building.

https://twitter.com/i/status/1581859422199914497

Dilbu · Post by **Dilbu** » 17 Oct 2022 12:16

Russia shoots down Ukrainian jet in ‘spl op zone’ I Putin’s OSA Air defence system in action

IndraD · Post by **IndraD** » 17 Oct 2022 12:53

https://twitter.com/RWApodcast/status/1 ... z_-rihLrTA
questionable air defence of Kiev? Video shows a fighter jet over Kiev being fired upon rifles

ks_sachin · Post by **ks_sachin** » 17 Oct 2022 13:03

IndraD wrote:https://twitter.com/RWApodcast/status/1 ... z_-rihLrTA
questionable air defence of Kiev? Video shows a fighter jet over Kiev being fired upon rifles

Now I know why Cyrano said that Ukr is going to be the Pakistan of Europe!!!!

Years ago a PIA flight was brought by rifle fire which erupted as part of some marriage or festival celebrations I uave read. May be the Pakis are exporting their unique Air Defence appartus and knowhow.

nits · Post by **nits** » 17 Oct 2022 15:20

What are 'kamikaze drones,' the new worry for Ukraine in defending against Russia

Like the Japanese planes, modern kamikaze drones too are destroyed after striking a target.
These are also called "loitering munition," as they can hover around the target area for some time (much longer than a cruise missile) and and attack only once a target is located.

nits · Post by **nits** » 17 Oct 2022 15:21

this is much economical and deadly compared to missile and using anti missile ammo is too costly against this drones, something (tech) we should worth have considering

IndraD · Post by **IndraD** » 17 Oct 2022 17:03

https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/in ... 022-10-17/
Russia launches deadly new attacks on central Kyiv using drones

gakakkad · Post by **gakakkad** » 17 Oct 2022 17:56

I remember c 2018 houthis bombed a emirati refinery. There was a patriot battery protecting it . They even destroyed the patriot battery . Unable to find video now (if someone remembers the incident in more detail and finds video it would be nice).

Imagine the h&d blow to unkil and people who made patriot . A billion dollar system with years of research and billions more spend is destroyed by a bunch of peasants with low tech weapons .

Loitering munitions is a ground breaking idea . Wonder where it originated from.

Cyrano · Post by **Cyrano** » 17 Oct 2022 18:59

Trench digger machines !

Deans · Post by **Deans** » 17 Oct 2022 19:07

[quote="Dilbu"]Russia shoots down Ukrainian jet in ‘spl op zone’ I Putin’s OSA Air defence system in action

Russia has claimed their S-400 in the Belgorod area of Russia downed a Ukr fighter 275 km away from the SAM battery. If so, that would be a world
record for the longest range SAM kill. The previous one was 215 km, also by a Russian SAM unit in the early stage of the war.

Several US anti radar missiles fired from Ukr aircraft, have been shot down. None is reported to have hit a Russian radar, so Russia seems to have countermeasures for that.

IndraD · Post by **IndraD** » 17 Oct 2022 22:26

A war Russia set to win
https://www.tribuneindia.com/news/comme ... win-441926

MK Bhadrakumar

Former Ambassador

Two massive terrorist strikes misfired spectacularly and a terrible beauty is born in the Ukraine war. These two carefully planned attacks in quick succession — on Nord Stream gas pipelines and Crimean Bridge — were intended as a knockout blow to Russia. According to President Vladimir Putin, people ‘who want to finally sever ties between Russia and the EU, weaken Europe’ are behind the Nord Stream blasts. He named the US, Ukraine and Poland as ‘beneficiaries’.
Last Wednesday, Russia’s domestic intelligence service FSB identified Ukraine’s military intelligence chief, Kyrylo Budanov, as the mastermind behind the Crimean attack. The New York Times and Washington Post also pointed fingers at Kiev, quoting ‘sources’. While Nord Stream-1 has been crippled, one of the strings of Nord Stream-2 remains intact. Putin said last week that the pipeline could be restored and Russia could deliver about 27 billion cubic metres of gas. ‘The ball is on the side of the European Union, if they want — let’s turn on the tap,’ he said.
But mum’s the word from Brussels. It is a profoundly embarrassing moment for the EU. The triumphalism has vanished as Europe is threatened by years of recession caused by the blowback from sanctions against Russia, where the US insisted on the cut off of energy ties with Moscow. The EU has now become a captive market for Big Oil and is left to buy LNG from the US at the asking price, which is six to seven times higher than the domestic price in the US. (Contracted price for long-term Russian supply for Germany used to be about $280 per 1,000 cubic metres as against the current market price hovering around $2,000.)

Plainly put, the Europeans have been nicely played by the Americans. India should take note of the US’ sense of entitlement. Basically, the Biden administration created a contrived energy crisis whose real aim is war profiteering.

The Crimean Bridge attack of October 8 is much more serious. Zelenskyy has crossed a red line that Moscow had repeatedly warned him against. Putin has disclosed that there have also been three terrorist attacks against the Kursk NPP. Russians will settle for nothing less than the ouster of the Zelenskyy regime.

Russia’s retaliation against Ukraine’s ‘critical infrastructure’, something Moscow refrained from so far, has serious implications. Since October 9, Russia has begun systematically targeting Ukraine’s power system and railways. Noted Russian military expert Vladislav Shurygin told Izvestia that if this tempo was kept up for a week or so, it ‘will disrupt the entire logistics of the Ukrainian military — system for transporting personnel, military equipment, ammunition, related cargo, as well as the functioning of military and repair plants.’

The Americans are cocooned in a surreal world of their self-serving narrative that Russia ‘lost’ the war. In the real world, though, Ivan Tertel, KGB chief in Belarus, who has an insider view of Moscow, said last Tuesday that with Russia boosting its troop strength in the war zone — 3 lakh troops who have been mobilised plus 70,000 volunteers — and the deployment of advanced weaponry, ‘the military operation will enter a key phase. According to our estimates, a turning point will come in the period from November of this year to February of next year.’

Policy-makers and strategists in Delhi should make a careful note of the timeline. The bottom line is, Russia is looking for an all-out victory and will not settle for anything less than a friendly government in Kiev. Western politicians, including Biden, understand that there is nothing stopping the Russians now. The US’ weapon kitty is running dry as Kiev keeps asking for more.

When asked whether he’d meet Biden at the G20 in Bali, Putin derisively remarked on Friday, ‘He (Biden) should be asked whether he is ready to hold such negotiations with me or not. To be honest, I don’t see any need, by and large. There is no platform for any negotiations for the time being.’

However, Washington has not yet thrown in the towel and the Biden administration remains obsessed with exhausting the Russian military — even at the cost of Ukraine’s destruction. And, for the Russians too, there is still much to be worked out on the battlefield: the oppressed Russian populations in Odessa (which suffered unspeakable atrocities from the neo-Nazis), Mykolaiv, Zaporizhya, Dnipropetrovsk, Kharkov are expecting ‘liberation’. It’s a highly emotive issue for Russia. Again, the overarching agenda of ‘demilitarisation’ and ‘denazification’ of Ukraine must be taken to its logical conclusion.

When all that is over, Putin knows Biden will not even want to meet him. Hungarian PM Viktor Orban said last week, ‘Anyone who seriously believes that the war can be ended through Russian-Ukrainian negotiations lives in another world. Reality looks different. In reality, such issues can only be discussed between Washington and Moscow. Today, Ukraine is able to fight only because it receives military assistance from the United States…

‘At the same time, I do not see President Biden as the person who would really be suitable for such serious negotiations. President Biden has gone too far. Suffice it to recall his statements to Russian President Putin.’

India should expect the defeat of the US and NATO, which completes the transition to a multipolar world order. Sadly, Indian elites are yet to purge their ‘unipolar predicament’. Europe, including Britain, is devastated and there is palpable discontent over the US’s ‘transatlantic leadership’. Indo-Pacific strategy is hopelessly adrift. New power centres are emerging in India’s extended neighbourhood, as the OPEC’s rebuff to Washington shows. A profound adjustment is needed in the Indian strategic calculus.

madhu · Post by **madhu** » 18 Oct 2022 13:23

looks like realignment is happening. I like the non-combat strategy of Russia. it has now made china not to sell LNG.
China has stopped sales of LNG to Europe to make sure its own households have enough gas for the winter, report says

China told state-owned natural gas importers like Sinopec and CNOOC to halt LNG sales to Europe, per Bloomberg.
The order to halt resales comes as Beijing looks to protect domestic gas supplies for the winter.

with Dragan teeth out at the borders and looks like Upcoming Russian nuclear exercises a challenge for the West. U.S. officials say they will likely include the test launch of ballistic missiles in this major annual nuclear exercises around this year. but AIM has told it much before, he is thinking it could be even a nuclear test but not sure what it is as per him. this war is going to drag on for long.
Stupid EU will be sufferer and USA will enjoy the money in this war.

Cyrano · Post by **Cyrano** » 18 Oct 2022 15:24

Videos emerging on Telegram of 122mm HOW HED-30 projectiles with LIU-4 type fuzes produced by Pak Ordnance Factories. Explains in part revived Unkil love for Munna.

rajkumar · Post by **rajkumar** » 18 Oct 2022 16:39

Remind me again how the Russians are winning...

Putin Turns To Ancient Soviet-Era T-62 Tanks....

Deans · Post by **Deans** » 18 Oct 2022 17:08

rajkumar wrote:Remind me again how the Russians are winning...

Putin Turns To Ancient Soviet-Era T-62 Tanks....

An upgraded T-62, at very little cost, can serve as SP artillery for direct fire, or a pillbox to defend a strongpoint ( I believe IA has deployed scrapped T-55 tanks in the same role on the LOC). There's also no shortage of spares and trained crew for this tank. The Donbass militia have extensive experience on this tank.
There is speculation that some of the equipment for upgrading the tank comes from North Korea.

There is very little Tank vs tank combat in Ukraine. A T-62 will only lose out when facing superior quality tanks (which is not the case now),
or ATGMs, that a T-72/80 can defeat but a T-62 cannot.

rajkumar · Post by **rajkumar** » 18 Oct 2022 18:08

Another one for you all

Russian soldiers being equipped with Mosin Nagant rifles...

https://twitter.com/TarmoJuntunen/statu ... NIAsxui--w

dnivas · Post by **dnivas** » 18 Oct 2022 18:14

Absolutely no context from the video. No info on which grouping that is from or which unit. But I suppose that's what NAFO guys or NAFO believers are.
This could be DPR militia which has been fighting with WW2 weapons for ages.
Sure Ukr confirms 30% of power in down in the past three days but sure Ukr is winning.

Lisa · Post by **Lisa** » 18 Oct 2022 18:15

^^ Rajkumarji, Do you actually believe what you have written?

rajkumar · Post by **rajkumar** » 18 Oct 2022 18:19

Lisa wrote:^^ Rajkumarji, Do you actually believe what you have written?

Please click on the twitter feed. Unless it's an extremely elaborate propaganda stunt by someone.

ks_sachin · Post by **ks_sachin** » 18 Oct 2022 18:32

The MosinNagant is chambered for 7.62x54 which I believe is the same caliber as a Dragunov. If you look at the soldier facing the camera he appears to have a AK.

A bolt action can be a favoured by some designated marksmen / snipers. We also had the OFB produce a .303 based sniper rifle.

Nothing out of the ordinary. If it works and if other rsuch rifles are not available….

Why waste forum bandwidth by posting and the discussing a molehill and making it into a mountain….much like the original T62 post above.

Lisa · Post by **Lisa** » 18 Oct 2022 18:41

rajkumar wrote:
Lisa wrote:^^ Rajkumarji, Do you actually believe what you have written?
Please click on the twitter feed. Unless it's an extremely elaborate propaganda stunt by someone.

I have seen the feed but remain surprised/shocked that there is somebody out there who actually believes that Russian troops are being sent to theatre with Mosin Nagant rifles because AK47's are not to hand! No offence but you need to get out a bit more.

rajkumar · Post by **rajkumar** » 18 Oct 2022 19:06

Lisa wrote:
rajkumar wrote:
Please click on the twitter feed. Unless it's an extremely elaborate propaganda stunt by someone.
I have seen the feed but remain surprised/shocked that there is somebody out there who actually believes that Russian troops are being sent to theatre with Mosin Nagant rifles because AK47's are not to hand! No offence but you need to get out a bit more.

Cyrano · Post by **Cyrano** » 18 Oct 2022 23:29

Rajkumar,
If you don't have any analysis, insight or reasoned opinion, stick to twitter please. Even if you are rolling thrice on the floor, it's not amusing.

Lisa · Post by **Lisa** » 18 Oct 2022 23:50

Cyranoji,

It appears our poster may be in London. Last week, a ranking senior officer (retired) was telling me that the ukraninans had captured 2 radios sets from the Russians. He thought this was news! In such an environment, rifles on Twitter become strategic matters!

Cain Marko · Post by **Cain Marko** » 19 Oct 2022 07:08

Lisa wrote: In such an environment, rifles on Twitter become strategic matters!

Couldn't help myself:

Rifles in Russian hands are always trifles
Trifles in Ukrainian hands are always rifles

Deans · Post by **Deans** » 19 Oct 2022 10:16

Lisa wrote:
rajkumar wrote:
Please click on the twitter feed. Unless it's an extremely elaborate propaganda stunt by someone.
I have seen the feed but remain surprised/shocked that there is somebody out there who actually believes that Russian troops are being sent to theatre with Mosin Nagant rifles because AK47's are not to hand! No offence but you need to get out a bit more.

There is a context to this claim.
There was a similar clip earlier, purportedly of Russian soldiers parading with Mosin Nagant rifles, before going to Ukraine. It turned out to be taken from video of a parade to mark Victory day, where the contingent was dressed in WW-2 uniforms and weapons.

ks_sachin · Post by **ks_sachin** » 19 Oct 2022 10:47

Cain Marko wrote:
Lisa wrote: In such an environment, rifles on Twitter become strategic matters!
Couldn't help myself:
Rifles in Russian hands are always trifles
Trifles in Ukrainian hands are always rifles

But trifles are best with strawberries and cognac cream!!!!

mody · Post by **mody** » 19 Oct 2022 13:01

https://www.msn.com/en-in/news/world/kh ... 3302e2a418

Russians admit the situation on the Kherson front is grim. Looking to evacuate civilians closest to the front line. If the situation worsens further, I think evacuation of Kherson city might also have to be carried out.
This would be another big blow for the Russians. Retaking the territories would require a significantly more effort.
If the Russians are able to hold on and stall the Ukraine offensive, then the tide can start turning once additional Russian troops become available.

However, once again this puts the spotlight on the Russian Airforce. Considering that they should be having full local air superiority on the Kherson front and Ukraine is not really using the last remnants of its airforce in the region, it seems strange that the Russians are not able to stop the Ukraine offensive. IAF was able to blunt the paki armour offensive at Longewala in 1971.
Many have in the past sited some Nato exercise in the past where a squadron of attack helicopters had managed to stop an armoured thrust.

Ukraine is using mostly artillery, both tube and rocket for pressing on its assault. The Russian Airforce should be able to target these units, along with the fuel and ammo dumps being used by the UAF. Even superior UAF manpower numbers can be countered with attack helicopters and aircrafts, to prevent encirclement of Russian forces.
Seems like a strange situation to arm general non-military folks like me.

Cyrano · Post by **Cyrano** » 19 Oct 2022 13:37

The US is pushing AFU very hard to achieve some kind of victory in Kherson, preferably capture the whole city. Very important for Bidenwa's mid term elections which are just over 2 weeks away to have something to show or crow about, since all the rest of his report card is dismal.

US/NATO surveillance planes and AWACS are constantly scanning Black Sea and southern areas, so any RuAF planes that are vectored towards Kherson will be detected. But its not clear what AD/SAM systems are positioned in this area and what level of threat they pose.

But I wouldn't rely only on western media to conclude that Russia's situation is grim. They are operating as per their own plans and timelines, US midterms may be somewhat irrelevant to them.

IndraD · Post by **IndraD** » 19 Oct 2022 14:50

mody wrote:Russians admit the situation on the Kherson front is grim

in spite of good search I couldn't find the audio/video clip of Russian general stating this any link?

this is from the link you posted , this doesn't indicate imminent fall of Kherson, however I want to see the presser from MoD or General speaking this

"The situation in this area is difficult. The enemy is deliberately striking infrastructure and residential buildings in Kherson," Sergei Surovikin, the Russian air force general now commanding Russia's invasion forces, told the state-owned Rossiya 24 news channel.

IndraD · Post by **IndraD** » 19 Oct 2022 14:56

Deans · Post by **Deans** » 19 Oct 2022 15:51

IndraD wrote:
mody wrote:Russians admit the situation on the Kherson front is grim
in spite of good search I couldn't find the audio/video clip of Russian general stating this any link?

this is from the link you posted , this doesn't indicate imminent fall of Kherson, however I want to see the presser from MoD or General speaking this
"The situation in this area is difficult. The enemy is deliberately striking infrastructure and residential buildings in Kherson," Sergei Surovikin, the Russian air force general now commanding Russia's invasion forces, told the state-owned Rossiya 24 news channel.

Kherson city's residents are being evacuated. (60,000 of 70,000 are reported to have left, or leaving).
Both sides expect a serious battle to take the city, to start anytime now. Ukraine needs a victory before US Mid terms. Also very soon Russian
reserves will arrive and neutralise Ukraine numerical advantage.
If the dam supplying Crimea & Kherson with water is destroyed, Kherson city will be flooded, which is one reason they need civilians to leave.
Also, the bridges and Ferries to take supplies across the Dnieper cannot supply both civilians and the Russian forces.