Indo-UK News & Discussions- June 2017

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The Lettuce Outlasts Liz Truss
LONDON — As support withered for Prime Minister Liz Truss of Britain, so did the ball of lettuce.

Purchased at a Tesco grocery store for 60 pence (68 cents), the lettuce became a caricature of the Conservative leader’s flailing hold on power, pitted against the prime minister by The Daily Star, a left-leaning British tabloid.

“Will Liz Truss outlast this lettuce?” the newspaper asked in a live video that has been running since Oct. 14, attracting bounds of viewers and comments on social media.
In the end, the lettuce emerged victorious after Ms. Truss resigned on Thursday. Someone flipped the photo of Ms. Truss face-down on the table, colorful lights swirled, and a recording of “God Save the King” played on repeat as nearly 20,000 people watched live. :lol:

“The lettuce outlasted Liz Truss,” the video declared. Minutes later, a remix of “Celebration” by Kool & the Gang set the mood.
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Yup Liztuce And Kwasidilla for lunch ! :mrgreen:
Whet your appetite a new PM in a week!

Jokes apart this is a cautionary tale on the hazards of the Westminster model . The party has been bought by the City bankers who had their puppets in power. We have our own like MMS who wasn’t elected by the people and Pappu who might try that next time. Foisting a Manchurian candidate without a general election will always be a play for our enemies
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It seems that the political class of the entire so called liberal world is made up of a bunch of Rahul Gandhi wannabes.

Or dangerous political idealogs.
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Rishi Sunak, Penny Mordant, Ben wallace in the race
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S_Madhukar wrote: The party has been bought by the City bankers ….
What they bought and what they got are two different things. The City never bought Brexit or Kamikwase’s budget …
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https://www.rediff.com/news/report/indi ... 221020.htm
India trade deal eludes another British prime minister
Aditi Khanna, October 20, 2022

Britain's third female prime Minister, Liz Truss, was out of office on Thursday after the shortest tenure at 10 Downing Street in London and without a cherished India-UK free trade agreement (FTA) under her belt as a Brexit prize.
Truss, who until Wednesday insisted in parliament that she was a "fighter and not a quitter", resigned after just six weeks after her position became untenable after a series of policy U-turns, Cabinet upheavals and an open revolt against her ability to lead a deeply divided Conservative Party.
Truss, who in her innings as foreign and trade minister batted for stronger bilateral ties with India, took charge at 10 Downing Street last month after defeating Indian-origin ex-chancellor Rishi Sunak in the Conservative Party leadership race.
Her resignation after 45 days in office makes her the shortest-serving prime minister in Britain's history. The second shortest serving prime minister was George Canning, who served for 119 days before he died in office in 1827.
The 47-year-old was faced with one of the toughest in-trays in the top job as a result of the spiralling cost-of-living crisis in the country, which rivalled any of the issues faced by her women predecessors in office, Margaret Thatcher and Theresa May.
She also had to contend with a fractious party that gave her a smaller margin of victory at 57 to 43 per cent than most recently elected Tory party leaders.
On the India front, the former international trade secretary who signed off on the India-UK Enhanced Trade Partnership (ETP) for the Boris Johnson-led government in May last year was determined to pursue the ongoing FTA negotiations towards a year-end deadline as a major post-Brexit achievement for the UK.
She has described India as a "big, major opportunity" and believes the UK and India are "in a sweet spot of the trade dynamics that are building up."
"We are looking at a comprehensive trade agreement that covers everything, from financial services to legal services to digital and data, as well as goods and agriculture. We think there is strong possibility for us to get an early agreement, where we lower tariffs on both sides and start to see more goods flowing between our two countries," she said soon after signing the ETP.
On the campaign trail, Truss reaffirmed that she remains "very, very committed" to strengthen bilateral ties at a hustings event of the party's Conservative Friends of India (CFIN) diaspora group. She also committed herself to getting the India-UK FTA done, preferably by Diwali -- the deadline set by predecessor Boris Johnson -- but "definitely by the end of the year."
She has repeatedly flagged enhanced defence and security cooperation with the Indo-Pacific region in order to meet her "network of liberty" goals as a counter-balance to the aggression of Russia and China and also promised to ensure the UK's visa regime continues to attract the "best and brightest" from India.
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IndraD wrote:Rishi Sunak, Penny Mordant, Ben wallace in the race
looks like its Bojo
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https://www.theguardian.com/politics/20 ... -liz-truss
Iceberg lettuce in blond wig outlasts Liz Truss
Supermarket salad is crowned winner of bizarre competition that attracted global media attention
Matthew Weaver, Thu 20 Oct 2022

A wilting 60p iceberg lettuce from Tesco in a blond wig has been crowned the winner of a bizarre competition after outlasting Liz Truss’s tenuous grip on power.
Seven days ago the Daily Star set up a webcam on the lettuce to see if it would have a longer shelf-life than the prime minister. To add to Truss’s humiliating resignation, the lettuce won.
As Truss made her resignation statement, those viewing the video on YouTube soared to more than 20,000.
When the prime minister confirmed her departure on Thursday lunchtime, a plastic gold crown was placed on the now browning leafy vegetable. The caption changed from “Day Seven: Will Liz Truss outlast his lettuce?” to “The Lettuce Outlasted Liz Truss”. The national anthem was played to mark the lettuce’s triumph, and champagne was poured.
The lettuce was inundated with messages of congratulations, in a chat box beside the video. They included: “Lettuce Rejoice”, “Lettuce being having you”, “Lettuce for PM”, “Lettuce 1 Truss 0”, “Truss sunk by an iceberg”.
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https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfr ... rty-brexit
Britain hangs by a thread. Give the end to Boris Johnson and we’ll unravel
Gaby Hinsliff, Thu 20 Oct 2022

Blink, and history could easily miss her. For all the crazed drama of the last few days, Liz Truss will be remembered by generations to come as little more than a surreal footnote in British politics. She’ll go down as our six-week leader, outlasted by an iceberg lettuce thoughtfully given its own webcam by the Daily Star, yet contriving almost to break the economy even in that short time.
Now barely 24 hours after declaring herself a fighter not a quitter, she has quit and started the mother of all fights. The Conservative party has accelerated what was already a thriving debate about who should succeed her, and is seemingly following the post-Brexit rule that no matter how bad things are, someone can always imagine a way of making them worse. Enter the rage-inducing, blood-boiling, utterly implausible (and yet never quite implausible enough for comfort) threat of a Boris Johnson comeback. Enough, for God’s sake, is enough.
What makes it worse is that Truss’s second chancellor, Jeremy Hunt, opened a brief window of hope in the six and a half days he served as a sort of kindly live-in carer to a broken prime minister. At least he scrapped her toxic budget, steadied markets in a way that undoubtedly saved households money, brought a pragmatist or two in, and showed his party a more cool-headed way to govern. But he ran out of time to complete an always madly ambitious mission to bring his party to its senses at high speed, and now an ugly battle for control of the country beckons.
Hunt won’t run for leader: it turns out he meant it when he said this comeback wasn’t about him. Once again, an unelected Conservative prime minister is now expected to succeed another unelected Conservative prime minister in a process that makes a mockery of democracy. But this time it pits a half-finished Tory centrist revival against the but-Brexit-was-never-properly-tried tendency and whatever Johnson can cobble together from his Caribbean sunlounger, where the man still under investigation for lying to parliament is said to be “taking soundings”. (Of course he is on holiday, as the country falls apart under his anointed successor; of course he is.) There must be a general election, to state the bleeding obvious, the minute the Conservative party has a leader again. But first, Conservatives must have the backbone to resist going back to their ex, or anyone remotely like him.
This is their moment, finally, to root the chancers out. For six long years, all that mattered in British politics was being on the “right” side of Brexit. We have laboured under governments packed with at best amiable C-listers who wouldn’t get near power normally, and at worst crackpots and zealots. In government, the incompetent (and worse) thrived; Theresa May became too weakened to sack them, and later it suited Johnson not to bother. Labour tied itself up in knots over the B-word. Tory remainers quit, leaving a dried-up talent pool from which Tory MPs then fished badly.
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IndraD wrote:Rishi Sunak, Penny Mordant, Ben wallace in the race
NO NO penny veny. We have seen women's power. :((
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The fight is between the chancers v populists v leftists v rightists in the Tory camp all jostling for space or more correctly an opportunity to be PM and why not as Liz has earned herself a lifelong 70-110K yearly taxpayer gift as a former PM. This causes funny distortions. Cruella sounds ultra-right but hates Hindus thus making a bit of space on the left, Truss cut taxes like a good libertarian and then subsidised energy bills like a proper leftie. Moneypenny and the rest will try to be somewhere between which is God knows where but if they keep right then Labour can surge. The whole affair is funny - one party rules before the last recession and now probably they will be back after this upcoming recession. now that is a stable country ;-)
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g.sarkar wrote:https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfr ... rty-brexit
Britain hangs by a thread. Give the end to Boris Johnson and we’ll unravel
Gaby Hinsliff, Thu 20 Oct 2022
Gautam
it is the other way round sir, Bojo is the ony one who can keep the flock together, and leftists hate him cos they want election, guardian BBC et al are sniffing blood and labour in power which will give them money budget.
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Get Sewerella as UK PM, Save the world!
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rsingh wrote:
IndraD wrote:Rishi Sunak, Penny Mordant, Ben wallace in the race
NO NO penny veny. We have seen women's power. :((
A country of idiots. Didn't they just complete a protracted voting process within their party from which Truss emerged #1 ? Now she's gone, why not just form consensus to appoint #2 ?

Truss and Kwarteng - Classic case of "DEI" gone wrong, if one doesn't have a Q = Quality to go with it. Should have picked the Indian the first time, he seems the only one with a functional brain.
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https://www.theguardian.com/politics/20 ... l-insanity
EU media and leaders blame Brexit for UK political ‘insanity’ as Truss quits
Observers suggest PM’s failure could spell end of ‘wishful thinking’ of a sovereign Britain going its own way
Jon Henley, Europe correspondent, 20 Oct 2022

Six years on from the Brexit referendum, continental observers have become used to Westminster meltdowns – but many see in the latest cataclysm the inevitable finale of a project that was always divorced from reality.
“Listened to, perhaps; understood, not really,” said Le Monde of Liz Truss on the news of her resignation. “A terrible orator who could do little more than repeat ‘growth, growth, growth’, seemingly impervious to criticism … she was rejected by both the public and her own party.”
Political leaders politely expressed their regrets. Arriving at an EU summit in Brussels, Emmanuel Macron said it was important that Britain rediscovered “political stability very quickly” in the context of the war in Ukraine. Describing the UK as a friend, the French president added he was “always sad to lose a colleague”.
Ireland’s taoiseach, Micheál Martin, expressed personal sympathy for Truss during what he described as “a very difficult time” for the prime minister – although he, too, pointed a finger at Brexit.
“Issues have flowed from that decision, and since that decision was taken,” Martin said. “Many have not been thought through in respect of what was essentially a political decision, with huge economic and market implications.”
Russia’s foreign ministry was less generous, saying Britain had “never known such a disgrace of a prime minister”. The foreign ministry spokesperson, Maria Zakharova, said Truss would be best remembered for her “catastrophic illiteracy”.
Continental media had few doubts about the cause of the prime minister’s woes. For Libération, there was “decidedly something rancid in the Tories’ tea”. Sonia Delesalle-Stolper said the British government and the Conservative party seemed “on a path to total self-destruction”.
Along with most European commentators, the paper’s former London correspondent identified one core problem. “In four months, the country will have had four chancellors, two interior ministers, and soon two prime ministers,” she observed.
After a succession of “implausible scenes” in parliament and No 10, “who will be Liz Truss’s successor? That’s the really big question. Because Brexit, and its chief architect Boris Johnson, have drained the Conservative party of all substance and competence.”
Le Monde also saw the decision to leave the EU as the ultimate origin of the UK’s crisis. “Since the referendum, British governments have demonstrated, with ever greater talent, that Brexit only takes the UK further away from the promised land of recovered sovereignty and untrammelled freedom,” wrote Sylvain Kahn.
“‘Take back control!’ they all said. But the British are a very long way from doing that. No other EU member is in such a state … Since Brexit, Britain’s Conservative leaders have worked tirelessly to prove that EU membership was very far from the problem.”
Annette Dittert, the London correspondent for the German public broadcaster ARD, was another who trained her sights unerringly on the decision to leave. Truss was “now the third Conservative leader, after Theresa May and Boris Johnson, to fail to deliver on Brexit promises”, she noted.
When they look, future historians would find the roots of British politics’ “current insanity” in 2016, Dittert said. “Firstly, because Brexit has damaged the UK economy so lastingly that any extra market uncertainty leads to far greater turbulence than ever before.
“Secondly, because Brexit and the inherent magical thinking of a sovereign UK that can go its own way in the globalised 21st-century world, detached from international developments, marked the beginning of the end of rational thinking on the island.”
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India had invested capital in Great Britain in the past, and acquired companies, as this provided easy access to the EU. The UK has similar laws, language and expatriates. Now, as all that has changed, one has to rethink this strategy.
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Ukr govt has tweeted to get Borsi in
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This is what the left in the UK is reduced to !!

https://www.workersliberty.org/story/20 ... r-election
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Sunak has nothing to gain and everything to lose by stepping in at this time. The economy is a mess; if the country went to polls today the Tories would crumble (i.e. the are very unpopular). Better let someone else get the abuse in a caretaker role till the next election, which presumably they will lose, and the election after is the one Sunak will target.
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https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-63343308
Currently 141 out of 357 Tory MPs have gone public with their support:
Rishi Sunak - 81 MPs
Boris Johnson - 41 MPs
Penny Mordaunt - 19 MPs
Rishi Sunak can beat Keir Starmer in the general election. Just needs the clowns (Johnson, Truss, Braverman, etc.) out of the way.
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https://www.theguardian.com/politics/20 ... rship-race
Boris Johnson gaining ground on Rishi Sunak in Tory leadership race
Former PM’s allies say he will easily make threshold of 100 MPs, while critics warn of potential defections
Rowena Mason and Peter Walker, Fri 21 Oct 2022

Boris Johnson is gaining ground in his audacious bid to return to Downing Street despite critics warning he risks plunging the Conservatives into fresh chaos over the impending parliamentary inquiry into the Partygate scandal.
As the former prime minister raced back from his Caribbean holiday to drum up support among MPs, Rishi Sunak remained ahead and the favourite to win with nearly 80 publicly declared backers, including Dominic Raab and Sajid Javid.
However, Johnson won the support of five current cabinet ministers – Ben Wallace, Simon Clarke, Jacob Rees-Mogg, Alok Sharma and Anne-Marie Trevelyan – while the former home secretary Priti Patel is believed to be considering coming out in his favour.
Allies of Johnson boasted he would “easily” make the threshold of 100 MPs required to get on the ballot paper, and argued he would be a strong contender to win in a ballot of the 150,000 Tory members.
They said he was seeking a “unity pact” with Sunak that could avoid the contest having to go to a members’ vote.
But one rival leadership camp questioned whether he really would reach 100, amid reminders of the way his leadership tore the party apart when he was in Downing Street.
Neither Johnson nor Sunak have yet formally declared, while Penny Mordaunt, the leader of the House of Commons, became the first to announce she was standing.
Critics of the former prime minister said some Tory MPs would be likely to go independent or defect to another party if he won again.
One source close to the privileges committee of MPs – which is investigating whether Johnson lied to parliament over parties in Downing Street and Whitehall during the Covid pandemic – said there was a “huge amount of damning material” against him.
Another MP source said the committee had collected vast amounts of written evidence that could be published shortly, and it was preparing to take oral evidence as soon as in the next 10 days, potentially sitting for four hours a day, three days a week for several weeks to get through it all.
They argued it would be a huge distraction for Johnson if he were to become prime minister, and risked reigniting public anger over the scandal that led to him and others being fined by police for breaking Covid rules during lockdown.
Jesse Norman, a senior Tory MP and Foreign Office minister, said returning to Johnson would be a disaster. “There are several very good potential candidates for Conservative leader. But choosing Boris now would be – and I say this advisedly – an absolutely catastrophic decision,” he said.
William Hague, the former party leader, told Times Radio that bringing back Johnson was the worst idea he had heard in his 46 years as a member of the Conservatives, and would cause a “death spiral” for the party.
If all three candidates make it on to the ballot with the backing of more than 100 MPs each, there is the potential for Sunak and Mordaunt between them to try to knock Johnson out of the contest.
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I think RS should sit this one out. The problems facing the UK may not be solvable in the short run. This winter, Pakistan is going to hit the fan. People will be without heat and food, and the poor and elderly will die. Whoever is the PM, he/she will be blamed for this catastrophe. Labour will come to power, and Conservatives will be in the opposition. BoJo is the right person for the job.
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Sunak should stay out of this race and let BJ take the full brunt of this fallout just like JB across the pond.
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With Hunt as Chancellor already RS will create a clash at the top. The only problem is with BoJo chances of another election victory is not guanranteed and that will propel Labor to potentialy more than 1 term
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So the DM claims one of the Tornado top guns (and others including ex F-35 pilot) were recruited by Test Flight School of South Africa and then trained Chicom pilots for at least £250K/year. That sounds classic.
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Sunak is first candidate to hit 100 threshold to make it onto ballot paper -Guardian
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Personally i think Sunak.should sit this out (innovatively of course)
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vimal wrote:Sunak should stay out of this race and let BJ take the full brunt of this fallout just like JB across the pond.
So what is there for RS to lose? He will be UK PM for 2 years. If by any chance in million years, he does bring back himself to power again, it will be a massive achievement.

So, all in all, he should go for it and take his chance to become PM. He will never ever get it again.
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g.sarkar wrote: Gautam
I think RS should sit this one out. The problems facing the UK may not be solvable in the short run. This winter, Pakistan is going to hit the fan. People will be without heat and food, and the poor and elderly will die. Whoever is the PM, he/she will be blamed for this catastrophe. Labour will come to power, and Conservatives will be in the opposition. BoJo is the right person for the job.
Chankian in me really hope he becomes PM. It would be epic popcorn for an Indian (and others including Africans and native Americans) if an Indian-origin gent oversees the final sunset of an evil empire.

But…. If he does well and pulls these devil’s dalals out of the tar-pit, that just adds to the brand value of dharmic creed as an effective replacement for the Anglos’ TFTA creed - chap flaunts his saffron Raa-agint threads openly under those sleeves in every photo of his. Unlike say Bobby Jindal or Nikki Haley across the pond

So win-win. Go Sunak!
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RS has everything to lose, if things do not improve in a hurry. His being brown, a practicing Hindu and son of a first generation immigrant works against him. He is just 42 years old and can be active in politics for the next 40 years, so he must chose his battles carefully. He has enough cash to weather any situation. If he takes over now, he will inherit a situation that he did not create and get blamed for it. The economic conditions will certainly worsen before it gets better. The chances that the Labour party will win the next election is very high. The last time UK elected a similar outsider as PM was Benjamin Disraeli, a converted Jew.
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I agree. Unless RS can stand up to the US and beat his own path, he should sit this out. The problems that the UK (and EU) face are because of US policies. Reversing sanctions against Russia will have an immediate effect - IMO.

However, it will be very difficult for him to sit it out.
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Pertinent video to understand money flows into UK, and how they are able to maintain their standard of living despite producing very little of value

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Twitter Link of the conversation, this "Chaitanya Ketkar" Guy Nailed It.

:rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :D :P

https://twitter.com/YusufDFI/status/1583105582541987841
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Ex-RAF top gun has made a killing training China's fighter pilots https://mol.im/a/11341957 via
@MailOnline


this is one such britshit ahole callsign "hooligan"

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https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/articl ... irmen.html

There are plenty of other white pilots who are also training the cheeni military, especially carrier pilots. There are french and from other NATO countries whose pilots are involved, including pilots from the US, all @$250,000 per year

These are the guys in the QUAD, the AUKUS and FUKUS and India is being made a fool of

the double dealing britshits want an FTA from India while actively colluding with our enemies, as are the french and the US

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yensoy wrote:Pertinent video to understand money flows into UK, and how they are able to maintain their standard of living despite producing very little
Yensoyji ,

Thanks for the background. I was trying to get some background material on the euro-dollar market ( estimated to be 50-92 trillion dollars ) and is unregulated .To your question about uk bond market swings/ shadow banking driving pms out of a job - here is a primer :
https://www.thelykeion.com/primer-the-e ... ar-market/
After World War II when recovering economies gradually began to accumulate onto U.S. dollars, some countries preferred not to repatriate U.S. dollars through U.S. banks, but instead held them “off-shore”, primarily in London-based banks out of the reach of the United States government.

Over time, a bank lending market grew up around this pool of funds.

British bankers began referring to the lending rates in this market as the London Inter-Bank Offer Rate, also known as ICE LIBOR.7
https://mises.org/wire/beyond-fed-shado ... et-dollars
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Mollick.R wrote:Image



Twitter Link of the conversation, this "Chaitanya Ketkar" Guy Nailed It.

:rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :D :P

https://twitter.com/YusufDFI/status/1583105582541987841
:rotfl: :rotfl: wah ji wah. Peg pao
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Tory leadership news: Suella Braverman backs Rishi Sunak as she says 'now is not the time for fantasies' - Telegraph

No iddea why Rishi is hell bent on becoming PM, somewhere he has a grouse against Borsi it seems! At this opportune moment when he could have sat out letting Boris finish his career Rishi has thrown hat in the competition
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^^^^ Yes but as someone pointed out, his next shot for PM would only be after 7 or 12 years given that the next election would certainly see a Tory defeat (unless he is able to fix that in 2 years). He didn't get to this stage by sitting it out; he is ambitious and presumably sees this as his destiny. Good luck to him, he needs it.

By the same measure, if he loses to Boris or anyone else this time around, it would be more proof than anything that the Brits are an entirely racist society.
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