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Crowd has put shopping Plaza owned by General Bajwa on fire.
Well written. People have far too many magical expectations of GOI, including this one.Cyrano wrote:Its been nearly 9 years and even BIFs haven't been fully neutered yet. Variants like dravidianism, Khalistanis are still rearing their heads. We have had endless discussions and arguments for and against going hard after this menace, we should get to 5T or 10T first ityadi ityadi. May be we are playing a long game but there isn't often an iron hand inside the velvet glove. Whether we like it or not, thats our reality.
Now imagine adding 230 millions of rabid hungry jehadis controlled by a scheming gazwa e hind elite to the mix. That is the cost of adding all that land if we somehow take over Pak in "this is not an era for war" times. What does that do to vote bank calculations? Does the BJP want this? Do the Indian people want this?
Pakis have swallowed the poison pill and have become a visha (not)kanya. Their ruling elite may even have deliberately let it slide into a snake pit as an insurance policy because if they cant have strategic depth, they can at least promise strategic death to anyone who screws them for good.
Yeah this seems all carefully calibrated to ensure the Pak aarmy doesn't open fire on the awaam and worsen the situation. So far very few casualties. This isn't some epochal event, more like a flash in the pan & people are losing their head over it because as we don't impose costs on Pak, any event there gives us schadenfreude. Reminder, we have lost multiple soldiers over the past few months and since 2019 on J&K, we haven't stopped those attacks either.RoyG wrote:Army will still be puppeteer in Pakistan. Remember what happened in Egypt. The military-civil bureaucracy was intact and continued to rule. Chances are Imran will live and give the appearance that he is the messiah. Pakistani army building him up for a long time.
unravelling is accompanied with economic collapse.. They're fast filling up the role that up bihar belt played in before British cameMuppalla wrote:If Pakistan unravels, the biggest loser in today's world is China. If GB is taken by India and there is no point for China to keep AksaiChin. China will just unravel too.ArjunPandit wrote: 5. china: dont think they are gaining anythign right now
Ukraine with a sugar daddy like USA is making life difficult for Russians. The Pakistan army has two, the other being China, both of which will ensure that enough forces and merchandise get pumped into it to keep India at bay.ArjunPandit wrote:unravelling is accompanied with economic collapse.. They're fast filling up the role that up bihar belt played in before British cameMuppalla wrote: If Pakistan unravels, the biggest loser in today's world is China. If GB is taken by India and there is no point for China to keep AksaiChin. China will just unravel too.
Pak khaki is over-rated but then you claim they will survive this too.hnair wrote:Paki khakis are being way over-rated by posters here.
Soviets were magnitudes order more viable than these geniuses. They had a stable governance, were a knowledge powerhouse second to none and a truly scary world dominating military power that even China is yet to approach today. Not to mention thousands of very well proofed nukes with some fearsome delivery mechanism. Also an inclination to exert military will across globe. Someone the world actually feared and respected
Their interior ministry had tight control inside borders. Or so we thought.
All that collapsed overnight due to lack of robust political systems and shoddy economic management. Same issue with pakis
Pakis will survive this one too. They have done that before by rioting for food and scrapping for grass. But in what form is upto India to decide. No one else has the interest beyond a point about it, as long as the pakis are still sell-outs to the highest bidder. If India has some clout developed over past two decades this is the time to use it for controlling the form of next governing mechanism over there.
BIF etc is well and good, they will continue to exert pressure. But do realise that US internal polity is at its most fragile since JFK times and this is a good time for India to shrug off any inhibitions.
My wish would be:
1) india calls for free and fair elections, by pressing the world to not coddle a khaki takeover
2) Kaptan comes to power
PA could care less about internet posters and political commentators shouting disrespect. Pak Army is the only functioning institution with nuclear weapons, intelligence apparatus, and gun. These protestors may torch a few properties and shit on a few statues. So what? These are just pinpricks.sanman wrote:Can Pak Army survive this kind of disrespect, if it doesn't retaliate forcefully?
I read that some "acting COAS" has made emergency visit to China.
If Pak Army carries out massacre to crush Pakistani public, then China will bear ultimate responsibility for giving quiet nod to it.
Tiananmen Square tradition.
You have to play chankian chess to occupy a garrison in the sea of impoverished for this long...Shaktimaan wrote:I do not believe the Pak Army is playing any Chankian 4D chess moves.They are an occupying garrison in the middle of a sea of impoverished Abduls. The army numbers less than 700,000. For this relatively small force to remain in power they need to project themselves are invincible and inevitable. The day their crore commadu's house is looted and burned, they lose this image.
So I believe this incident (storming of Cantonments, breaching of GHQ) was due to some other reason. Either the garrison is afraid to provoke the Abduls for fear of lamp post therapy, or the lower level officers/ NCOs / jawans are not willing to fire on the awaam. Either way, a state of mutiny exists in the Army at the moment.
Let's see how today plays out to get more data points from the situation. For example, there is no chatter about the nukes on Paki Twitter. Neither is there anything about possible Indian intervention or asking China for help.
Due to the lack of a strong response from the Pak Army the violence may fizzle out today I think, replaced by the usual dharna drama of blocking roads.
Statistically speaking, Pre-Indira/Rajiv/PVN - INC exhibited show of force & strong willed diplomacy coupled with macho leadership of IA for completing the Indian Union which we see today.ramana wrote:If India gets GB and Aksai Chin....Muppalla wrote: ...If GB is taken by India.....
This thread is for predictions as the title says.Cyrano wrote:Bhai log, why this urge to predict the future? No one is expecting anyone here to possess a crystal ball or cre commadus mobile no. That soon becomes tu tu main main game. Let's just grab some popcorn and comment on the happenings and possible scenarios from India perspective.
Sir Pajwa and DmG are one and the same onleee... its between DmG and Hafiz Syed Munir now. Pajwa has been retired hurt.Rsatchi wrote:I feel all this is internal fued being played out in the open
The PA is split in two factors : The Khattarpanthi : Gen Derriere mein Goli(so lets rename him Gen DmG) faction and the Pajwa faction
The corps Kammandu's are also split but each acting coy and Chupha Rustom waiting to see who gets the upper hand.
Even though Gen DmG has retired still commands quite a bit of respect not just in Pak but also across the Durand Line.
Lets see who wins
If its DmG then expect more bombing and suicide attacks
Pajwa factions then insaniyat ke wasthe madad karo request!
No, I disagree. India should not interrupt Pakistan's attempt to burn itself down.Prem Kumar wrote:A few predictable things:
1) Indian liberals will scream that a stable Pakistan is in India's interest
2) Op-Ed comparing what's happening in $hitistan to Manipur
3) Due to G20 & the unrest, PM/RM decide not to carry out surgical strikes against them for killing our braves
I hope prediction #3 becomes false
Surgical strike(s) now will light a torch to the anarchist fuel over there. Show the Paki Army for the imbeciles they are and stretch them on multiple fronts internally and externally. Show them no mercy.
But. But. Didn't they say a few weeks ago that they don't have the capacity to provide security for elections? How come they are busy when the job is to provide security for elections but come running when the job is to shoot Abduls on the street.Shaktimaan wrote:Pak Army has been officially deployed in PakJab. Of course they are not a police force and do not have non-lethal ways of stopping protesters. Now what?
Essentially the whole setup is just a land scam. Army wants land. A bunch of Abduls who look the other way. And a political setup that doesn't upset the apple cart.boasting 16 Generals and Air Marshals and Admirals in his stable who wait around to pour tea for him and his guests and carry his briefcase and files! AND gifting expensive Harley Davidson motorcycles to high falutin' 'journalists' and 10 Crore villas each, to them AND their 'journalist' wives..Just now heard from a friend that someone saw his friend, a General and
@MalikRiaz_
at Islamabad Airport, the General walking behind him carrying his briefcase. The next day the man asked the General why he was carrying the briefcase having been a senior officer. 'If you pay me what Riaz pays me, I'll carry your briefcase too'
Earlier this year, the Pakistan army requested the Punjab government for one million acres of state land in the Cholistan area for corporate agricultural farming, court documents reveal..the military proposes in the letter the “immediate” release of 10,000 to 15,000 acres of irrigated land for a pilot project.
@Venkarl gaaru, I am 400% hopefool eet eej cum-eeng.Venkarl wrote:In all this Chaos, I am surprised Talibans haven’t made any newsworthy moves onto Durand line. And where are BLA and TTP? Why aren’t they taking advantage of this chaos?
Taliban pilots are ready in the cockpit for 'Ejaculation'Venkarl wrote: And where are BLA and TTP?
CalvinH wrote:There was live Youtube broadcast on Adil Raja's channel where they posted the addresses of different core commandersand confirmed it over whatsapp.
Crowd has put shopping Plaza owned by General Bajwa on fire.