I can. Did you see how bad and inaccessible their site was?Cyrano wrote:Better grow a thick skin and keep your fight back rhetoric ready if you are in politics.
Saving grace - no one can malign ECI or EVMs now

I can. Did you see how bad and inaccessible their site was?Cyrano wrote:Better grow a thick skin and keep your fight back rhetoric ready if you are in politics.
Saving grace - no one can malign ECI or EVMs now
Supposedly 13%IndraD wrote: 9.......what is actual % of KA muslims?...... ?
Personally I don't see any good leader in karnataka. I had lot of expectation on Pratap Simha. But now I feel he is not right candidate. He is clean and works hard but I doubt he has organisational skills.suryag wrote:.
Looking ahead you need an Annamalai to put the Govt on the mat every week and force their hand who is that ? Pratap Simha ? Tejaswi ?CT Ravi? BSY sons ? You need to drag JDS heavyweights into the Bhajpa fold, good part is you kept your vote base intact now attract new sections from JDS and make use of the RSS org.
sanjayc wrote:^^^ So now Karnataka voters can enjoy soon-to-be-good roads and sewers, while celebrating Tipu Jayanti and love jihad. Maybe this alternative appeals more to these smart voters than BJP
Rsatchi saar,Rsatchi wrote:Chetakji
Is there a Chanakyan move in the candidates selection by BJP
Meaning all this cra@&£ of Democracy in trouble yada yada
Have the party taken a devilish punt here
Loose an election proves democracy Alive,CEC independent, EVM credible, and BL Santhosh the fall guy for candidate selection
How is that for a conspiracy theory
Not a conspiracy but a fact. Look at Hassan, the fortress and home of Devegowda family, INC kept out of campaigning and named an absolute nobody so they don't cut into JDS debutant candidate HS Swaroop who beat the incumbent BJP MLA Preetham Gowda by a handsome margin. In Tiptur JDS kept out of INC's way to ensure Shadakshari wins against BJP's BC Nagesh. They have such arrangements throughout malnad-old mysore region.chetak wrote:Rsatchi saar,Rsatchi wrote:Chetakji
Is there a Chanakyan move in the candidates selection by BJP
Meaning all this cra@&£ of Democracy in trouble yada yada
Have the party taken a devilish punt here
Loose an election proves democracy Alive,CEC independent, EVM credible, and BL Santhosh the fall guy for candidate selection
How is that for a conspiracy theory
one strongly suspects a conspiracy between the congis and the JDS
There are reports that in many places the JDS did not even put up a fight
this is not the strategy of someone who wanted to become the kingmaker
mucho dinero has changed hands, in terms of hundreds of crores
Well said. Minorities and leftists will consolidate behind the parties howere corrupt or violent or unethical to defeat the Hindus by defeating the one party that is associated with them. The Hindu votes however are all about caste divisions and cheap freebies. The fact that PM Modi’s popularity is in large measure from his grassroots development schemes and not as much through Hindu consolidation says a lot. Voting for development is good, but it is a “what's in it for me” vote rather than a vote for Hindu causes. And these causes are increasingly critical for our civilization to survive.The reason for BJP defeat can be stated in only one sentence: Hindus are stupid. The rest is over-analysis
In belagavi, minority shouted Pakistan zindabad in doubt of cop. Cop got pissed off and went straight to crowd and asked can u repeat as he did not hear properly... And minority became silent.Mangaluru police have arrested three youths on the charge of barging into the premises of Kadri Manjunath temple on their two-wheelers on May 11 night.
The police gave the names of the arrested persons as Hasan Shaheen, 19, Umar Farooq, 21, and Mohammed Zaffar, 18, all residents of Asaigoli, near Thokkottu.
vijayk wrote:
Pasmandas ...NO one will vote. Atleast empower VHP/BDal to register poor and lower middle class Hindus and even poor Christians to PM welfare programs and get them benefits
DR. BABASAHEB AMBEDKAR WRITINGS AND SPEECHES VOL. 8 page 323The Muslims have no interest in politics as such. Their
predominant interest is religion. This can be easily seen by
the terms and conditions that a Muslim constituency makes
for its support to a candidate fighting for a seat. The Muslim
constituency does not care to examine the programme of the
candidate. All that the constituency wants from the candidate
is that he should agree to replace the old lamps of the masjid
by supplying new ones at his cost, to provide a new carpet
for the masjid because the old one is torn, or to repair the
masjid because it has become dilapidated. In some places a
Muslim constituency is quite satisfied if the candidate agrees
to give a sumptuous feast and in other if he agrees to buy
votes for so much a piece. With the Muslims, election is a
mere matter of money and is very seldom a matter of social
programme of general improvement. Muslim politics takes no
note of purely secular categories of life, namely, the differences between rich and poor, capital and labour, landlord and tenant, priest and layman, reason and superstition.
well said!....sanjayc wrote:^^ The reason for BJP defeat can be stated in only one sentence: Hindus are stupid. The rest is over-analysis
I find this "hindus are stupid" explanation rather rude and exactly the kind of gaslighting I would expect from a mullah or a padre. Shame on you. I will report these posts as hate speech, no matter if they are coming from hindus.CalvinH wrote:well said!....sanjayc wrote:^^ The reason for BJP defeat can be stated in only one sentence: Hindus are stupid. The rest is over-analysis
and therein lies the very crux of the problem that has brought us to this sorry passKL Dubey wrote:I find this "hindus are stupid" explanation rather rude and exactly the kind of gaslighting I would expect from a mullah or a padre. Shame on you. I will report these posts as hate speech, no matter if they are coming from hindus.CalvinH wrote:
well said!....
Hindus are not stupid. We have accumulated a complex culture which comes with jati, lineage, regional identity and what not. It has to be taken and accepted. The others have nothing but a desert religion...and they are supposed to be smart according to you.
Hindu voters are smart enough. Same voters gave Modi a 50+% vote in both UP and KA in LS. Difference is the state level leadership....in UP Adityanath got a big victory in VS yet again, whereas in KA the party managed to just maintain vote share. If the work of last 5 years was not inspiring enough, there is no sense in expecting any consolidation of hindu votes just because the other religions are doing so. If BJP brings leaders who can command respect, then things will change just like they have in many other states. The southern states are not there yet.
we, as a people, have no idea, concept, or the comprehension to understand the ecosystem that is arrayed against us'While the Hindu elaborates his argument, the Moslem sharpens his sword' - Churchill at Royal Albert Hall on 18th March 1931
Atmavik wrote:BJP needs to now give up on the idea that Modi can win state elections. This is only possible in his home state. We need younger dynamic leaders at the state level who will compete to be the the future PM.
Now that the initial shock is over, just thought about a few more things.KL Dubey wrote:If the work of last 5 years was not inspiring enough, there is no sense in expecting any consolidation of hindu votes just because the other religions are doing so.
And any attempt to make changes in this also gets scuttled by the organised religions (and I include communism as well). At times I feel British identified Hinduism's fault lines very clearly, and have also ensured that the information is passed onto to their recommended rulers of India - the Congress party. At least in the sample of Hindu population I have seen in KL, most of them just seem to be doing various Hindu ceremonies at times even without knowing its context or whether it is all relevant in today's time. It may sound as a poor joke; today a Hindu temple in central KL may get more donations to help a sick temple elephant than a sick fellow Hindu.chetak wrote:We have no perception, recognition, awareness, intellection or even the basic grasp of the civilizational fundamental enshrined in the sense of shatrubodh or sankatbodh.
+1. And BJP could not convince any other group of voters, be it fence sitters or people who vote based on caste politics; to vote for them as well. That could be because the state BJP government had nothing good to show to these groups of people. The 4% reservation for Lingayats was a last minute attempt, and it got scuttled in the courts. I don't think KA BJP had any strategy other than parading Modi & Shah across the state. As I mentioned earlier; in KA every politician is a package-deal. He comes with money power and a group of voters. Ideology etc actually takes a back seat. That is how like the ex-CM Bommai etc wins. He has his core voters would who ensure his 'personal' victory. But beyond that there is no loyalty. Perhaps Jagadish Shettar who lost is an excemption. But his mentality actually shows how a KA politician thinks.williams wrote:So percentage-wise, the traditional BJP voters voted for BJP but they were not very excited to do so.
Now in hind-sight, I feel the Sabari Mala court verdict and BJP's further actions was one such attempt. The commies did take a beating, and they did course corrections. But the final benefit went to Congress, instead of the KL BJP who as usual goofed up. State level leadership in BJP is pathetic at least in most of the south indian states. They are most often freeloaders. Due to historical reasons, states like MH, UP etc have a strong Hindu base and also a mechanism to bring up good leaders from Hindu religion. KA may be at least 50% okay in that regards. But in KL, TN etc it is now a very remote possibility. An example: The last KL politician who used to visit two Hindu temples every month, with pilot and escort (by K.P) was K. Karunakaran. And that was till around mid 2000s. Today no politician in KL would even attempt to do this, for "secular reasons".BJP also needs to develop some sort of Hindu sub-nationalism in the south with issues transcending all the caste divisions.
Correct - and infact stupid enough to not understand impact of their stupidity unless it comes and bites their back. INC has to implement its Muslim pasand agenda now that Muslims have en-massed voted for INC. And this will be the driver for counter-polarisation of Hindus for BJP in 2024 in KA.Srutayus wrote:Well said. Minorities and leftists will consolidate behind the parties howere corrupt or violent or unethical to defeat the Hindus by defeating the one party that is associated with them. The Hindu votes however are all about caste divisions and cheap freebies. The fact that PM Modi’s popularity is in large measure from his grassroots development schemes and not as much through Hindu consolidation says a lot. Voting for development is good, but it is a “what's in it for me” vote rather than a vote for Hindu causes. And these causes are increasingly critical for our civilization to survive.The reason for BJP defeat can be stated in only one sentence: Hindus are stupid. The rest is over-analysis
Mental blindness / stupidity of Hindus in political matters has been commented upon by many, including James Tod in "Annals and Antiquities of Rajasthan," who said: "Such is the character of the Hindu: a mixture of arrogance, political blindness, pride, and generosity. To spare a prostrate foe is the creed of the Hindu cavalier, and he carries all such maxims to excess."KL Dubey wrote:I find this "hindus are stupid" explanation rather rude and exactly the kind of gaslighting I would expect from a mullah or a padre. Shame on you. I will report these posts as hate speech, no matter if they are coming from hindus.CalvinH wrote:
well said!....
Hindus are not stupid. We have accumulated a complex culture which comes with jati, lineage, regional identity and what not. It has to be taken and accepted. The others have nothing but a desert religion...and they are supposed to be smart according to you.
Hindu voters are smart enough. Same voters gave Modi a 50+% vote in both UP and KA in LS. Difference is the state level leadership....in UP Adityanath got a big victory in VS yet again, whereas in KA the party managed to just maintain vote share. If the work of last 5 years was not inspiring enough, there is no sense in expecting any consolidation of hindu votes just because the other religions are doing so. If BJP brings leaders who can command respect, then things will change just like they have in many other states. The southern states are not there yet.
Right. The same was said in 1940s, when Hindus refused to rally behind Savarkar and Hindu Mahasabha in the name of religion, and instead went for Gandhi and Nehru and their flattery and concessions for Muslims. That stupidity led Hindus to permanently lose 1/3rd of India's land to Muslims (and carting away of 1,000 Hindu women every year to mosques in Pakistan even today for forcible marriage to Muslims).there is no sense in expecting any consolidation of hindu votes just because the other religions are doing so.