Russian-Ukrainian War: Combat Tactics & Strategy

IndraD · Post by **IndraD** » 18 Jun 2023 01:11

The head of the GUR of Ukraine, Kirill Budanov (pictured), died without regaining consciousness , said Ukrainian politician Ilya Kiva, who, according to him, received this information from the Ukrainian embassy in Germany https://twitter.com/Sprinter99880/statu ... 35873?s=20

budanov is absent so is architect of CO Zaluzhnyi! Long time no see.

VishnuS · Post by **VishnuS** » 18 Jun 2023 02:19

Manish_P wrote:
ramana wrote:

https://twitter.com/WallStreetSilv/stat ... 63073?s=20
Some snooty western analysts derisively call these drones are glide artillery. They would rather have the uber-costly silver bullet excalibur rounds. Fine as long as you can print as many dollars as you want.

IMHO it will not be long before the Pakis get around to buying these types.. lots of them.

Bhai, if we could equip every tank company with a platoon of Shilkhas, that should be more than enough to handle swarm attacks!

Manas · Post by **Manas** » 18 Jun 2023 02:38

https://www.zerohedge.com/political/esc ... chessboard Article by Pepe Escobar

“We were forced to try to end the war that the West started in 2014 by force of arms. And Russia will end this war by force of arms, freeing the entire territory of the former Ukraine from the United States and Ukrainian Nazis. There are no other options. The Ukrainian army of the US and NATO will be defeated, no matter what new types of weapons it receives from the West. The more weapons there are, the fewer Ukrainians and what used to be Ukraine will remain. Direct intervention by NATO’s European armies will not change the outcome. But in this case, the fire of war will engulf the whole of Europe. It looks like the US is ready for that too.”

IndraD · Post by **IndraD** » 18 Jun 2023 04:44

Vladimir Putin has revealed that #Russian troops withdrew from #Kiev and other regions in #Ukraine on the basis of a peace deal agreed in #Turkiye, this casts serious doubts over Ukrainain narratives about defeat of Russia in the "battle of Kiev"

He showed African leaders and press the document at their meeting in St Petersburg. Russian journalists published the title page of the document both sides provisionally agreed to titled "Treaty on Permanent Neutrality and Security Guarantees of Ukraine"

According to the President of the Russian Federation, Ukraine and Russia agreed in principle to the draft agreement spring 2022 in Istanbul, but then Kiev refused to sign it after Russian troops voluntaraly pulled back when ordered by Moscow as part of the deal.

The text says that the UK, China, Russia, the USA, France, and Turkey would act as guarantors. Sources suggest Boris Johnston travelled to Kiev soon after to insist / threaten Zelensky not to continue with the deal. https://twitter.com/BowesChay/status/16 ... 86272?s=20

Rakesh · Post by **Rakesh** » 18 Jun 2023 06:52

Can anyone confirm this? Was this ever reported?

https://twitter.com/LevinaNeythiri/stat ... 21440?s=20 --->

“He (Russian pilot) came almost out of NOWHERE. I was very confused because I did not expect to see it SO CLOSE”.

~An Italian pilot in his F-35 when he encountered Russian Su-30SM.

FYI: American F-35 has the most ADVANCED sensor suite of any fighter in history. Yet it missed the Russian fighter jet.

https://twitter.com/LevinaNeythiri/stat ... 46144?s=20 ---> Not once, but F-35 missed the Su-30SM multiple times. Each time Italian pilot assumed that Russian pilot had backtracked, the Su-30SM returned to surprise him. Incident happened last year over the Baltic sea. F-35As were being sent to Estonia by the Italian Air Force. Source: Bulgarian Military

https://twitter.com/LevinaNeythiri/stat ... 55108?s=20 ---> There’s a video of the incident. This is apparently a screenshot from the video which shows this incident. Original video is on Instagram: https://instagram.com/p/CP5qXOci3tA/?ig ... M1YmI2Ng==

Cain Marko · Post by **Cain Marko** » 18 Jun 2023 08:57

^Maybe the ginormous wingtip pods got something to do with it...

Pratyush · Post by **Pratyush** » 18 Jun 2023 09:29

It's always possible for pilot to be surprised.

But this shows the following;

1) the F35 had no AEW support.
2) it's DAS did nothing.
3) the Russians are more skilled than they have been portrayed as.

chetak · Post by **chetak** » 18 Jun 2023 11:24

the amrikis are playing games again

but with sweden's and finland's membership to NATO being currently blocked by turki, what choice does bidenwa have except to say what he has said.

This is when the amriki deep state moves in

President Biden says Ukraine should not count on US to make its NATO membership 'easy'

https://www.politico.com/news/2023/06/1 ... a-00102527

President Joe Biden on Saturday said his administration would not “make it easy” for Ukraine to join NATO, adding that the war-torn nation must meet the same standards as other member states.

Asked in a gaggle in Philadelphia about easing Ukraine’s path to joining the transatlantic alliance — likely in reference to the Membership Action Plan, a key obstacle in Ukraine’s efforts — Biden said: “No. Because they’ve got to meet the same standards. So we’re not going to make it easy.”

According to the MAP, candidate nations must make military and democratic reforms before consideration for NATO membership. Last week, Biden officials said the president was “open to” waiving the requirement for Ukraine, which this week launched a counterattack amid Russia’s war of aggression.

Biden added that the U.S. has “done a lot” to make sure Ukraine has the “ability to coordinate militarily.”

Manish_P · Post by **Manish_P** » 18 Jun 2023 11:54

Pratyush wrote:It's always possible for pilot to be surprised.

But this shows the following;

1) the F35 had no AEW support.
2) it's DAS did nothing.
3) the Russians are more skilled than they have been portrayed as.

Other possible reasons/excuses/CTs

4. The Italian pilot was a newbie. Or at least a newbie to this plane
5. The Italian pilot was just acting like a newbie. In reality the sensors on the F35 were collecting data about the sukhoi
6. The F35 just didn't care. Treat it like one of those routine intercepts that the Americans and Russians engage in over alaska
..
99. They want to start a flaming war among BRF posters. Actually i bet the ones on the deaf & dumb fora are already foaming at the mouth demanding Moonir get the PAF to buy Sukhois on discount from Russia to teach a lesson to the arrogant americans so that they can release funds to buy F16s and J10s

sanman · Post by **sanman** » 18 Jun 2023 15:31

chetak wrote:the amrikis are playing games again

but with sweden's and finland's membership to NATO being currently blocked by turki, what choice does bidenwa have except to say what he has said.

This is when the amriki deep state moves in

President Biden says Ukraine should not count on US to make its NATO membership 'easy'

I think the US is telling Ukraine that some magical rescue isn't going to happen anytime soon, so they'd better be prepared to go the distance on fighting.

chetak · Post by **chetak** » 18 Jun 2023 16:00

sanman wrote:
chetak wrote:the amrikis are playing games again

but with sweden's and finland's membership to NATO being currently blocked by turki, what choice does bidenwa have except to say what he has said.

This is when the amriki deep state moves in

I think the US is telling Ukraine that some magical rescue isn't going to happen anytime soon, so they'd better be prepared to go the distance on fighting.

sanman saab,

it's a game that the amrikis are playing and have been doing so for many tens of decades now, and before that the colonial powers enforced similar expectations on the countries that they colonized and asian powers like japan, cheen etc were looked down upon as inferior.

the method that they used to push the russkis against the wall and to try and make them implode was to slyly push the boundaries of NATO closer and closer to russkiland in a series of salami slicing maneuvers, even when the russkis repeatedly warned them of an adverse reaction from them

This was done by the goras, despite the specific agreement that they had with the russkis not to do so, but when the russki red lines were crossed, and putin's resolute blowback caught them on the wrong foot, they blundered badly, egged on by the britshits and the amrikis, who had nothing much to lose in europe.

One wonders if brexit itself was a strategic move to disengage the UK from europe, knowing that the ukr was already in the pipeline and some years away from fruition. The rational for brexit was never convincing or even logical, seeing the huge numbers of non gora jihadi refugees flooding in on a daily basis into the UK

there has never been any honesty, morality or rules based order when the goras deal with non goras but they demand meticulous and compulsory adherence to all rules and rules based order when non goras deal with them, with the exception of the cheenis, whom they are deathly afraid of.

The amerikis had every intention of appearing to induct ukr into nato but they know very well that some countries in the EU will forcibly block such a proposal and these countries cannot/will not be budged.

The once invincible amrikis have lost their mojo, and all their street cred the world over, and their downfall truly began when they cut and ran from afghanistan, this unsightly and panicked flight was orchestrated by the commie cabals who had captured power in the bidenwa regime by then. The damage caused by these cabals was intentional and deliberately designed to be irreparable.

That fatal act of such an abrupt departure from afghanistan was the commie led hara kiri move forced on the amriki state by the rising and venomous commie cabals that tasted true freedom under the hapless and bewildered bidenwa regime which these cabals have shoe horned into power.

Even the usually proactive amriki armed forces helplessly stood by, confused and catatonic.

This was a definite regime change putsch carried out at the heart of the amriki state by using targeted social media and cyber warfare to drown out and side line their opponents

The enduring memories of a rampaging and brutal russki army over running europe and flattening the "invincible" germans all the way from stalingrad to berlin and beyond simply cannot be removed from the deepest recesses of the collective european psyche

The foolish ukr war has only foregrounded these old nightmares and left the euros in a state of heightened fear and dread.

The stable energy led EU-russki economic ecosystem was ticking along like a swiss watch until the amrikis and their useless tail, the bankrupt britshits, upped and wantonly destroyed the entire edifice.

Let's wait and see what replaces this destroyed cathedral of cooperation and that will give us an idea of what is expected to come down the pike

IndraD · Post by **IndraD** » 18 Jun 2023 17:20

several videos of KA52 helis eating up NATO artillery pieces! Such is the fear that Telegraph UK propagandu toilet has published this oped

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/world-news/ ... n-ukraine/
Russian attack helicopters gain upper hand on key southern front, says UK MoD
Longer-range missiles deployed against ground targets to impede Ukrainian hopes of severing land corridor between Crimea and eastern Donetsk

Deans · Post by **Deans** » 18 Jun 2023 17:35

IndraD wrote:several videos of KA52 helis eating up NATO artillery pieces! Such is the fear that Telegraph UK propagandu toilet has published this oped

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/world-news/ ... n-ukraine/
Russian attack helicopters gain upper hand on key southern front, says UK MoD
Longer-range missiles deployed against ground targets to impede Ukrainian hopes of severing land corridor between Crimea and eastern Donetsk

In the last 2 weeks Russian aircraft and helicopters have flown more sorties (almost all CAS missions) than in the previous 2 months, but have lost
no aircraft. The KA52s should be vulnerable to the thousands of MANPADS supplied to Ukraine - they lost several in the early months of the war
but they no longer seem to be a threat.

prahaar · Post by **prahaar** » 18 Jun 2023 20:44

Deans wrote: In the last 2 weeks Russian aircraft and helicopters have flown more sorties (almost all CAS missions) than in the previous 2 months, but have lost
no aircraft. The KA52s should be vulnerable to the thousands of MANPADS supplied to Ukraine - they lost several in the early months of the war
but they no longer seem to be a threat.

Is it because of longer range ATGM missiles outside the engagement envelope of manpads or is it due to the clear boundary lines which allow KA52 helis to be on the Russian side of the front?

sohamn · Post by **sohamn** » 18 Jun 2023 22:07

They are now using helis more effectively, i.e. instead of using attack helis only with rockets and guns, they are using long range anti tank guided missiles to take out enemy units beyond the range of any manpads. Its well documented

IndraD · Post by **IndraD** » 18 Jun 2023 23:16

https://www.nytimes.com/2023/06/17/worl ... ctics.html (full article behind paywall)
Russia, learning from costly mistakes, changes battlefield tactics

https://www.deccanherald.com/internatio ... 28703.html
imagine heartburn in writing them (only cos evidence of NATO destruction is all over in SM else it will be buried)

IndraD · Post by **IndraD** » 18 Jun 2023 23:28

Evidence suggests Russia blew Kakhovka dam in Ukraine: NYT
https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/ev ... 023-06-18/

Evidence suggests this month's destruction of the huge Kakhovka dam in a Russian-controlled area of Ukraine resulted from an inside explosion set off by Russia, the New York Times said.

Citing engineers and explosive experts, the newspaper said on Friday that its investigation found evidence suggesting an explosive charge in a passageway running through the dam's concrete base detonated, destroying the structure on June 6.

The Times cited engineers as saying only a full examination of the dam after the water drains from it can establish the sequence of events leading to the destruction.

Pratyush · Post by **Pratyush** » 19 Jun 2023 07:11

The blowing up of the dam washed away Russian defensive lines downstream of the dam due to sudden floods.

Created a humanitarian crisis on the eastern bank of the river.

Yeah, the Russians did it.

Didn't the Russians blow up the Nord stream as well?

Didn't Epstein kill himself?

Aditya_V · Post by **Aditya_V** » 19 Jun 2023 07:57

Plus a huge distraction when the Counteroffensive began, if the Ukrainans had broken through , they would have used the low muddy tracks for another crossing to tie the Russians from the back.

Deans · Post by **Deans** » 19 Jun 2023 11:01

prahaar wrote:
Deans wrote: In the last 2 weeks Russian aircraft and helicopters have flown more sorties (almost all CAS missions) than in the previous 2 months, but have lost
no aircraft. The KA52s should be vulnerable to the thousands of MANPADS supplied to Ukraine - they lost several in the early months of the war
but they no longer seem to be a threat.
Is it because of longer range ATGM missiles outside the engagement envelope of manpads or is it due to the clear boundary lines which allow KA52 helis to be on the Russian side of the front?

I think its a combination of 3 reasons:
- AGTM range is 8-10 km, which is outside MANPAD range
- Ukrainian radar network has been largely knocked out. MANPAD operators have to rely on visual sightings, which is difficult in the dark,
when there's shells exploding all around you. KA 52's fly at tree top height, pop up suddenly to acquire the target and disappear.
- KA52s are believed to have devices that can jam multiple MANPADS.

VishnuS · Post by **VishnuS** » 19 Jun 2023 11:48

Deans wrote:
prahaar wrote:
- KA52s are believed to have devices that can jam multiple MANPADS.

Bhai, this isn't true. To jam MANPADS, we need DIRCM. Ka-52s don't have DIRCM jammers.

Only a bunch of Su-34s were equipped with DIRCM. This info was before the war had begun. Unless they buy DIRCM from China and integrate with Russian Aircraft, there is no way to get them.

rajkumar · Post by **rajkumar** » 19 Jun 2023 13:33

The Russians Packed A Robotic T-55 Tank With Explosives And Rolled It Toward Ukrainian Lines...

Well, that's one way to use an obsolete tank.

On or before Sunday, Russian forces near Marinka, in southeastern Ukraine's Donetsk Oblast, packed what appeared to be a 70-year-old T-54 or T-55 tank with explosives, rigged it with simple radio remote controls and rolled it toward Ukrainian positions....

https://www.forbes.com/sites/davidaxe/2 ... 20797b2f86

drnayar · Post by **drnayar** » 19 Jun 2023 18:25

VishnuS wrote:
Deans wrote:
Bhai, this isn't true. To jam MANPADS, we need DIRCM. Ka-52s don't have DIRCM jammers.

Only a bunch of Su-34s were equipped with DIRCM. This info was before the war had begun. Unless they buy DIRCM from China and integrate with Russian Aircraft, there is no way to get them.

russia cant make them ?

Deans · Post by **Deans** » 19 Jun 2023 19:33

VishnuS wrote:
Deans wrote:
Bhai, this isn't true. To jam MANPADS, we need DIRCM. Ka-52s don't have DIRCM jammers.

Only a bunch of Su-34s were equipped with DIRCM. This info was before the war had begun. Unless they buy DIRCM from China and integrate with Russian Aircraft, there is no way to get them.

I found an article in English on this, It is also being mentioned by Russian analysts.
https://bulgarianmilitary.com/2023/06/1 ... -warheads/

IndraD · Post by **IndraD** » 19 Jun 2023 20:19

Prepare for Ukraine's counter-offensive to falter
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2023/0 ... to-falter/

Instead, we are seeing something closer to an attritional style of warfare, with attacking forces battering against heavily fortified defences. Current operations are at the stage of reconnaissance-in-force along four separate axes of advance, with Ukrainian units probing Russian positions to identify weak spots that can then be softened up with artillery and exploited by armoured reserve forces. Commandos and partisans are said to be working behind enemy lines to create confusion and disrupt command and control centres. Long range strikes are being used to hit headquarters.

Critical here is deception, attacking in as many areas as possible to keep the Russians guessing where the major thrusts will come. But in war, operations rarely go to plan and the odds are stacked against Kyiv. Russia’s General Valery Gerasimov has had a lot of time and resources to prepare effective defences in multiple lines .The Russians also have numerical superiority in pretty much everything, from men and tanks to, perhaps most critically, artillery.

Then there is air power. Almost every attacking force from the Second World War onwards has succeeded only with air superiority or supremacy. This the Ukrainians do not have, and we have already seen the cost of that with battlefield footage apparently showing American-supplied Bradley fighting vehicles and German Leopard 2 tanks picked off by attack helicopters.

So this counter offensive could go either way. But one thing is certain: a Ukrainian victory is very far from guaranteed. We can already see this concern reflected in notes of caution from the White House, where President Biden is presumably contemplating the damage to his political programme that might result from anything other than decisive gains on the battlefield.

IndraD · Post by **IndraD** » 19 Jun 2023 20:22

https://www.afr.com/politics/federal/bi ... 618-p5dhen
Budanov is dead, intel chief of UA

In another news Zulzulhny has ben relieved of critical duties, he was seen at a military function with a depression in the skull, result of a likely head injury.

Thakur_B · Post by **Thakur_B** » 19 Jun 2023 20:30

rajkumar wrote:The Russians Packed A Robotic T-55 Tank With Explosives And Rolled It Toward Ukrainian Lines...

Well, that's one way to use an obsolete tank.

On or before Sunday, Russian forces near Marinka, in southeastern Ukraine's Donetsk Oblast, packed what appeared to be a 70-year-old T-54 or T-55 tank with explosives, rigged it with simple radio remote controls and rolled it toward Ukrainian positions....

https://www.forbes.com/sites/davidaxe/2 ... 20797b2f86

The desperation in westoid propaganda is leaking through

VishnuS · Post by **VishnuS** » 20 Jun 2023 02:14

Deans wrote:
VishnuS wrote:
Bhai, this isn't true. To jam MANPADS, we need DIRCM. Ka-52s don't have DIRCM jammers.

Only a bunch of Su-34s were equipped with DIRCM. This info was before the war had begun. Unless they buy DIRCM from China and integrate with Russian Aircraft, there is no way to get them.
I found an article in English on this, It is also being mentioned by Russian analysts.
https://bulgarianmilitary.com/2023/06/1 ... -warheads/

Thank you.

vijayk · Post by **vijayk** » 20 Jun 2023 06:02

Deans · Post by **Deans** » 20 Jun 2023 08:37

IndraD wrote:Prepare for Ukraine's counter-offensive to falter
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2023/0 ... to-falter/

The telegraph is rabidly Pro Ukrainian. You'd often get the impression from its articles, that Ukraine is about to capture Moscow.
If Telegraph is expressing doubts about the counter offensive, it must be an unmitigated disaster.

chetak · Post by **chetak** » 20 Jun 2023 14:50

IndraD · Post by **IndraD** » 20 Jun 2023 15:05

Military briefing: Russian ‘Alligators’ menace Ukraine’s counteroffensive
https://www.ft.com/content/d8fe8941-370 ... b9ba500481

IndraD · Post by **IndraD** » 20 Jun 2023 15:07

admins sir
Is it OK to post articles in full, when copying, msg appears, sharing is illegal, Just to make sure forum doesn't get in trouble (but most of these reads are behind paywall)

Lisa · Post by **Lisa** » 20 Jun 2023 15:13

IMHO, use,

https://archive.ph/

IndraD · Post by **IndraD** » 20 Jun 2023 15:25

Military briefing: Russian ‘Alligators’ menace Ukraine’s counteroffensive
https://www.ft.com/content/d8fe8941-370 ... b9ba500481

https://archive.ph/dTOsg

thanks Lisa saar

Tanaji · Post by **Tanaji** » 20 Jun 2023 20:47

I guess the next step for Ukraine is to ask for more squadrons of F-16.

I am actually surprised Zelenskyy hasn’t asked for tactical nukes yet.

chetak · Post by **chetak** » 20 Jun 2023 21:05

Tanaji wrote:I guess the next step for Ukraine is to ask for more squadrons of F-16.

I am actually surprised Zelenskyy hasn’t asked for tactical nukes yet.

Tanaji saar,

That's probably his next and last ask before someone takes him out

he is well past his sell by date and also, he knows too much about the western shenanigans and so constitutes a major risk

Rakesh · Post by **Rakesh** » 20 Jun 2023 21:49

Rakesh wrote:Can anyone confirm this? Was this ever reported?

https://twitter.com/LevinaNeythiri/stat ... 21440?s=20 --->

“He (Russian pilot) came almost out of NOWHERE. I was very confused because I did not expect to see it SO CLOSE”.

~An Italian pilot in his F-35 when he encountered Russian Su-30SM.

FYI: American F-35 has the most ADVANCED sensor suite of any fighter in history. Yet it missed the Russian fighter jet.

https://twitter.com/LevinaNeythiri/stat ... 46144?s=20 ---> Not once, but F-35 missed the Su-30SM multiple times. Each time Italian pilot assumed that Russian pilot had backtracked, the Su-30SM returned to surprise him. Incident happened last year over the Baltic sea. F-35As were being sent to Estonia by the Italian Air Force. Source: Bulgarian Military

https://twitter.com/LevinaNeythiri/stat ... 55108?s=20 ---> There’s a video of the incident. This is apparently a screenshot from the video which shows this incident. Original video is on Instagram: https://instagram.com/p/CP5qXOci3tA/?ig ... M1YmI2Ng==

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drnayar · Post by **drnayar** » 20 Jun 2023 21:55

chetak wrote:
Tanaji wrote:I guess the next step for Ukraine is to ask for more squadrons of F-16.

I am actually surprised Zelenskyy hasn’t asked for tactical nukes yet.
Tanaji saar,

That's probably his next and last ask before someone takes him out

he is well past his sell by date and also, he knows too much about the western shenanigans and so constitutes a major risk

Baniansky is past his expiry date., likely some 3 letter american agency will take him out after finding a suitable replacement

drnayar · Post by **drnayar** » 20 Jun 2023 22:00

Rakesh wrote:
Rakesh wrote:Can anyone confirm this? Was this ever reported?

https://twitter.com/LevinaNeythiri/stat ... 21440?s=20 --->

“He (Russian pilot) came almost out of NOWHERE. I was very confused because I did not expect to see it SO CLOSE”.

~An Italian pilot in his F-35 when he encountered Russian Su-30SM.

FYI: American F-35 has the most ADVANCED sensor suite of any fighter in history. Yet it missed the Russian fighter jet.

https://twitter.com/LevinaNeythiri/stat ... 46144?s=20 ---> Not once, but F-35 missed the Su-30SM multiple times. Each time Italian pilot assumed that Russian pilot had backtracked, the Su-30SM returned to surprise him. Incident happened last year over the Baltic sea. F-35As were being sent to Estonia by the Italian Air Force. Source: Bulgarian Military

https://twitter.com/LevinaNeythiri/stat ... 55108?s=20 ---> There’s a video of the incident. This is apparently a screenshot from the video which shows this incident. Original video is on Instagram: https://instagram.com/p/CP5qXOci3tA/?ig ... M1YmI2Ng==
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americans only too well their "trillion" dollar babies secrets can be sniffed out by sophisticated Russian sensors !!..hence the next "new Gen fighter"