Indian Navy News & Discussion - 12 April 2021

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JTull wrote:
Vips wrote:Varunastra Torpedo to enhance Indian Navy’s anti-submarine warfare capabilities, Know all about its powerful features here.

...Varunastra a ship-launched anti-submarine heavy weight torpedo (HWT) ...

The torpedo was fired from a submarine ...

that can be launched from surface ships, submarines, and aircraft...
What kind of reporting is this? Ship launched but fired from a submarine :eek: And who launches a HWT from an aircraft?
didn't IAF, at one time, bomb someone by manhandling and throwing bombs out the hatch of some cargo aircrafts

maybe they did the same with the HWT, no...

It's all jugaad bro...
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Your talking about like how C130s drop a MOAB, I.e cargo aircraft dropping a parachute linked HWT through thier Cargo bay?

Regardin IAF transport aircraft used as bombers, they were AN 12s in the 1971 war
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Vips wrote:Varunastra Torpedo to enhance Indian Navy’s anti-submarine warfare capabilities, Know all about its powerful features here.

In a significant development for the Indian Navy the indigenously developed Varunastra a ship-launched anti-submarine heavy weight torpedo (HWT) was successfully test fired on June 6, 2023. This indigenous HWT will enhance the Navy’s anti-submarine warfare capabilities and make it a formidable force.

The torpedo was fired from a submarine and successfully hit a target at a range of 40 kilometers. The test was conducted in the Arabian Sea in the presence of senior officials from the Indian Navy and the Defence Research and Development Organisation (DRDO).

Vizag-based Naval Science and Technological Laboratory (NSTL) of the Defence Research and Development Organisation (DRDO) designed the Varunastra missile system and Bharat Dynamics Ltd (BDL) is responsible for its production.

About the indigenous Torpedo
After numerous trials, the induction of the Varunastra torpedo has commenced. This torpedo shall be the go-to anti-submarine torpedo for all naval warships, according to a source in the defence and security establishment. Additionally, the source noted that it will replace the aging torpedoes currently installed on naval vessels that are capable of firing Heavyweight Torpedoes.

The Defence Ministry’s annual report for the 2015-16 fiscal year reveals that the Naval Science & Technological Laboratory (NSTL) under DRDO and the Indian Navy have worked together to undertake 130 technical trials to appraise the weapon’s qualities.

The report stated that a total of 14 user trials, including trials conducted during January 2015 and March 2015 with a variety of scenarios, were completed. The final approval for Varunastra User Evaluation Trials (UETs) was granted in September 2015, and IHQ MoD (Navy) accepted it for induction into Services.

The Varunastra HWT is an electrically-powered torpedo capable of anti-submarine and anti-ship operations. It has a maximum strike range of 40 kilometers and can travel at speeds of more than 70 kilometers per hour at a maximum depth of 600 mts. The torpedo is equipped with an active-passive acoustic homing system and a low-drift inertial navigation system.

The successful test-firing is a major milestone for the Indian Navy and it marks the completion of the development of the torpedo and its readiness for induction into service. The induction of the Varunastra HWT will significantly enhance the Navy’s anti-submarine warfare capabilities.

The Varunastra HWT is the first indigenously developed heavyweight torpedo that is capable of meeting the Navy’s operational requirements. It will reduce the Navy’s dependence on foreign weapons systems and help to make the Navy more self-reliant.

Varunastra Torpedo: A Powerful New Weapon for the Indian Navy

The Varunastra A is a heavyweight torpedo that can be launched from surface ships, submarines, and aircraft.

It is a highly sophisticated weapon that features a number of advanced technologies. It has an active-passive acoustic homing system that allows it to track and engage enemy submarines even in noisy underwater environments. It also has a low-drift inertial navigation system that ensures high accuracy even at long ranges.

The successful trial is a major technological achievement for the Indian Navy.
It is the first indigenously developed heavyweight torpedo that is capable of meeting the Navy’s operational requirements.

Features of the Varunastra Torpedo
It is a powerful and sophisticated weapon that features a number of advanced technologies. These include:

Active-passive acoustic homing system: This system allows the torpedo to track and engage enemy submarines even in noisy underwater environments.

Low-drift inertial navigation system: This system ensures high accuracy even at long ranges.

Conformal array transducer: This transducer enables the torpedo to look at wider angles than most common torpedoes.

Advanced autonomous guidance algorithms: These algorithms allow the torpedo to operate in various combat scenarios.

Insensitive warhead: This warhead is less likely to detonate accidentally, making it safer to operate and transport.

Benefits of the Varunastra Torpedo
Increased anti-submarine warfare capabilities: The Varunastra is a powerful and sophisticated weapon that will significantly enhance the Navy’s ability to detect, track, and engage enemy submarines.

Increased range: The Varunastra has a range of up to 50 kilometers, which gives the Navy a significant advantage over enemy submarines.

Indigenously developed: The Varunastra is the first indigenously developed heavyweight torpedo that is capable of meeting the Navy’s operational requirements. This will reduce the Navy’s dependence on foreign weapons systems.

Cost-effective: The Varunastra is a cost-effective weapon that will save the Navy money in the long run.
Great achievement and NSTL and IN deserve kudos for developing an electric HWT to arm the submarines. Now there won't be any hazards like Sindhurakshak.
And it reduces the pressure to import Black Shark torpedos.

It is notable that Thyssen is willing to incorporate Indian weapons into the U212 submarine also.

It is not stated above but Varunastra is powered by Silver Oxide Zinc batteries that have a flat power curve. So it retains power till the end.
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Will it fit in NATO standard 53mm by 21 foot tubes, HDW 209 and Scorpenes, and Kilo class, Chakra 2, Arihant class all 533mm by 24 ft tubes. If it can, it will be amazing.
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Varunastra is 533mm and it is likely that the latest test (from a submarine) was from a Kilo Class boat.

See the specs (right hand side of the screen) on wiki ---> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Varunastra_(torpedo)
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Aditya_V wrote:Will it fit in NATO standard 53mm by 21 foot tubes, HDW 209 and Scorpenes, and Kilo class, Chakra 2, Arihant class all 533mm by 24 ft tubes. If it can, it will be amazing.
That's the plan.
One-stop HWT for all subs and surface ships.
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Anti-submarine warfare ship 'Anjadip' built for Navy launched.

An anti-submarine warfare shallow water craft vessel built by Kolkata-based Garden Reach Shipbuilders and Engineers (GRSE), for the Navy was launched at the Larsen and Toubro, Kattupalli Port here on Tuesday. Anjadip, is the third of the eight ships of the contract that was signed between Garden Reach Shipbuilders and Engineers, Kolkata and Ministry of Defence in April 2019.

The vessel was named after the island of Anjadip located off Karwar Port, Karnataka signifying its strategic maritime importance, an official release said.

The 'Arnala' class of ships built by GRSE would replace the current 'Abhay' class of Anti-Submarine Warfare Corvettes of the Navy and are designed to undertake anti-submarine operations in coastal waters, low intensity maritime operations, subsurface surveillance among others.

The ships would have 80 per cent indigenisation. Each ship measuring about 77 metre long, would have a displacement of 900 tons with a maximum speed of 25 knots and an endurance of 1,800 nautical miles.

Vice Admiral and Commander in Chief of the Strategic Forces Command R B Pandit was present at the launch ceremony today.

As per the contract, four ships are built by GRSE, Kolkata while the remaining four ships have been subcontracted to Larsen and Toubro, Shipbuilding, Kattupalli
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The Varunastra will most likely not fit in Nato standard 533 mm torpedo tubes. The HDW 209s and Scorpenes will continue to have imported torpedoes. The Varunastra will fit in the Kilo class subs and will replace the Russian type 65 HWTs.

Is the Varunastra a wire guided torpedo or a wake homing torpedo. The above report states that it has active and passive homing sensors and also inertial navigation. However, a lot of YoutTube channels mentioning that it is a wire guided torpedo?
Which one is it?

The surface ship launched version has already been inducted by the Navy, the test would be for the sub launched variant. All future subs, might be designed to accommodate the Varunastra torpedo.
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It should be possible for the varunastra to be scaled down in such a way to be able to be deployed from smaller diameter torpedo tubes.
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Pratyush wrote:It should be possible for the varunastra to be scaled down in such a way to be able to be deployed from smaller diameter torpedo tubes.
Well, it's the navy so not much worried..

If it was her sister service then they might well have asked for the development of the scaled down version as a pre-condition for induction .. or even the development of a futuristic 'Next gen modular' torpedo - one whose width and length can be increased/decreased by addition of blocks :mrgreen:
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mody wrote:The Varunastra will most likely not fit in Nato standard 533 mm torpedo tubes. The HDW 209s and Scorpenes will continue to have imported torpedoes. The Varunastra will fit in the Kilo class subs and will replace the Russian type 65 HWTs.
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The surface ship launched version has already been inducted by the Navy, the test would be for the sub launched variant. All future subs, might be designed to accommodate the Varunastra torpedo.
The Varunastra torpedo has the following dimensions (from wiki);

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Length: 7.78 m (25.5 feet)
Diameter: 533.4mm (21.00 in)
The Black Shark* torpedo (standard equipment for the Scorpene Class) has the following dimensions;
*Our Scorpene boats do not have this torpedo yet...

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Length: 6.3 m (21 feet)
Diameter: 533 mm (21.0 in)
The F21 torpedo from Naval Group of France. This is the latest French torpedo and used by the Brazilian Navy aboard their Scorpene Class boats.

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Length: 6.0 m (19.7 feet)
Diameter: 533mm (21.0 in)
The AEG SUT 264* torpedo has the following dimensions;

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Length: Unknown
Diameter: (?) 533mm (21.0 in) (?)
*Currently used aboard our Scorpene (Kalvari) Class boats. Original equipment of our HDW 209 (Shishumar) Class boats. I cannot find any length and diameter specifications of the SUT 64 torpedo and thus the question marks above. But since the Kalvari Class carries them, they cannot have a diameter larger than 533mm.

The Russian Type 65 HWT has the following specs;

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Length: 9.14m (30 feet)
Diameter: 650mm (25.6 in)
If fired from a Kilo (Sindhughosh) Class SSK, Indian Navy and NSTL are likely using some modification...for the 650mm torpedo tube of the Kilo Class, to fire a Varunastra torpedo which has a diameter of 533mm.
mody wrote:Is the Varunastra a wire guided torpedo or a wake homing torpedo. The above report states that it has active and passive homing sensors and also inertial navigation. However, a lot of YoutTube channels mentioning that it is a wire guided torpedo?
Which one is it?
See this link Sirjee --->

India’s Varunastra Heavyweight Torpedo – All You Need To Know
https://delhidefencereview.com/2020/01/ ... d-to-know/
14 January 2020
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India’s ASW Shallow Water Craft Project Progresses Amidst Uncertainties.

‘Anjadip’, the 3rd of eight ships of ASW Shallow Water Craft (SWC) Project being built by M/s GRSE for Indian Navy, was launched on 13 Jun 23 at M/s L&T, Kattupalli. The Launch Ceremony was presided over by VAdm R B Pandit, C-in-C (SFC). In keeping with the naval maritime tradition, Smt Priya Pandit launched the ship to the chanting of invocation from Atharva Veda. The ship has been named Anjadip to signify the strategic maritime importance accorded to the island of Anjadip, located off Karwar. The island is connected to the mainland by a breakwater and is part of INS Kadamba. On completion of the event VAdm R B Pandit also laid the keel for the 7th ASW SWC ship.

The contract for building eight ASW SWC ships was signed between MoD and Garden Reach Shipbuilders & Engineers (GRSE), Kolkata on 29 Apr 19. As per the build strategy, four ships are being built at GRSE, Kolkata and construction of balance four ships has been sub-contracted to M/s L&T Shipbuilding, Kattupalli. Arnala class of ships will replace the in-service Abhay class ASW Corvettes of Indian Navy and are designed to undertake anti-submarine operations in coastal waters, Low Intensity Maritime Operations (LIMO), and Mine Laying operations including subsurface surveillance in littoral waters. The 77 m long ASW SWC ships have a displacement of 900 tons with a maximum speed of 25 knots and endurance of 1800 NM.

Launch of three ships of the same class in a span of six months reinforces our resolve towards indigenous shipbuilding as part of the Government’s vision of ‘AatmaNirbhar Bharat’. The first ship of the project is planned to be delivered to Indian Navy by Dec 23. The ASW SWC ships will have over 80% indigenous content, thereby ensuring that large scale defence production is executed by Indian manufacturing units, generating employment and capability enhancement within the country.

Naval News Comments: Status of ASW SWC project
In April 2019, both GRSE and Cochin Shipyard Limited (CSL) had signed contracts to build eight ASW SWC ships each. The design of the ASW SWC built by each yard are different. These will be the largest waterjet propelled ships of the Indian Navy.

The project has faced delays due to supply chain issues that has led to CSL having laid down just three ships to date, starting in August 2022. CSL explained some reasons for the delay while presenting its financial results at the end of May, providing some details regarding the equipment affected.

While over 80% of the ship will be indigenous, one of the main imported systems is the engine set. These are being procured from a European nation but deliveries have been delayed due to export related issues of some subcomponents. Installation of engines have subsequently been delayed from February 2023 to June.

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Launch of Anjadip, the third ASW SWC. Photo by Indian Navy.

Another major import would have been that of two “major sensors”, likely to be the hull mounted sonar and low frequency variable depth towed array sonar which provides ASW capability to the vessels. CSL had ordered one of these from a European nation while finalizing a contract with another European nation for the other sensor.

Earlier this year, the MoD decided after prolonged discussions that both of these sensors will be made in India. One of the sensors, expected to be the hull mounted sonar, will be supplied by state-owned Bharat Electronics Limited (BEL) for all 16 ships. For the second sensor, four will be supplied by BEL based on a system to be developed by DRDO while the rest will be developed by other Indian industries under the Make in India scheme. This sensor will not be linked to the delivery of these ships as it is under development.

CSL plans to launch all three laid down ships in November 2023 and deliver them by November 2024. GRSE has been unaffected by the engine issue, with the two ships planned to be launched later in September having their engines delivered and installed.

The shipyards plan to deliver all sixteen ships by 2027. However, any delays in development and installation of the second sensor could render these ships suboptimal for their intended role. This is an issue faced earlier by the larger Kamorta class ASW corvettes made by GRSE.
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Rakesh wrote:....
To the best of my knowledge, none of the Indian submarines have 650mm torpedo tubes.

Also the Russian torpedoes are wake homing. Not sure about the German torpedoes.
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Kersi wrote:To the best of my knowledge, none of the Indian submarines have 650mm torpedo tubes..
Akula has 4 x 650mm tubes / 4 x 533mm tubes.
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Is the Akula still in our hands?

Or was returned to Russia at the end of the lease period?
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Pratyush wrote:Is the Akula still in our hands?

Or was returned to Russia at the end of the lease period?
It was returned..
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The next Akula arrives in 2025, as Chakra III.

A $3 billion investment
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dinesh_kimar wrote:
Kersi wrote:To the best of my knowledge, none of the Indian submarines have 650mm torpedo tubes..
Akula has 4 x 650mm tubes / 4 x 533mm tubes.
Ohhhh. I forgot about INS Chakra
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X-Post from Re: INS Vikrant: News and Discussion thread.
Kersi wrote:..NOT F 18 !!!

Maybe another dozen P 8s

And "plenty" of MQ-9
Would 31 be 'plenty', sir.. :)

Ahead of Modi’s visit to US, India approves procurement of MQ-9B armed drones
The clearance for procuring the drones made by General Atomics was given by a meeting of the Defence Acquisition Council (DAC) chaired by defence minister Rajnath Singh

India’s defence ministry on Thursday approved the acquisition of 31 MQ-9B armed drones from the US, with a formal announcement on the deal expected during Prime Minister Narendra Modi’s State visit to Washington next week, people familiar with the matter said.

India is expected to buy the drones, which have an endurance of more than 27 hours and can operate at up to 50,000 feet, in a deal worth a little more than $3 billion, the people said. Fifteen drones will be for the navy, and eight each for the army and the air force, they said.
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Excellent! I appreciate the division. The Indian Navy is tasked with patrolling the largest area. Fifteen drones to their fleet significantly enhance their coverage.

1. Eventually, new small satellites will provide round-the-clock coverage. They can launch 200 kgs sats, ten at a time, in PSLV.
2. The new C295 MPA will eventually replace all the Dorniers, thereby bolstering the Coast Guard, and there's potential for the Navy to acquire some too.

This should suffice for the needs of the Indian Navy. It would be fantastic if they acquire an additional 6 P8Is, but even without them, we have all the necessary components.
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Cybaru wrote:Excellent! I appreciate the division. The Indian Navy is tasked with patrolling the largest area. Fifteen drones to their fleet significantly enhance their coverage.

1. Eventually, new small satellites will provide round-the-clock coverage. They can launch 200 kgs sats, ten at a time, in PSLV.
2. The new C295 MPA will eventually replace all the Dorniers, thereby bolstering the Coast Guard, and there's potential for the Navy to acquire some too.

This should suffice for the needs of the Indian Navy. It would be fantastic if they acquire an additional 6 P8Is, but even without them, we have all the necessary components.
I am pretty sure the Army will ask for more MQ-9s in the future. One can't have enough of these bad boy toys :)

Yes, we will have more satellites but we do need armed versions of these UCAVs for prosecuting smaller sized threats soon after detection.

I was hoping we could make the Dornier's soldier on for more time. Maybe an armed, optionally manned version of it.

Incidentally General Atomics who make the MQ-9 have bought the Dornier 228 program from the Germans just a couple of years ago...

General Atomics commences production of Next Generation Dornier 228

Noob question - Future UCAVs will also operate from our future carriers. Are CATOBARs more suitable for UCAVs than ski jump type?
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Manish_P wrote:Noob question - Future UCAVs will also operate from our future carriers. Are CATOBARs more suitable for UCAVs than ski jump type?
I am a noob in this as well, but I would assume it would depend on the weight of the UCAV. The revised IAC-2 (follow on Vikrant Class vessel) is supposed to be able to operate drones and UCAVs. Admiral Hari Kumar had mentioned that, a little while back. And this is supposed to be a STOBAR Class vessel.
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NRao wrote:The next Akula arrives in 2025, as Chakra III.

A $3 billion investment
Why India’s lengthy wait for nuclear-powered attack submarines will get longer
https://www.news9live.com/india/why-ind ... 05-2076078
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What is this new racket "

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‘Anjadip’, the 3rd of eight ships of ASW Shallow Water Craft (SWC) Project being built by M/s GRSE for Indian Navy, was launched on 13 Jun 23 at M/s L&T, Kattupalli.
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Being bulit by GRSE at L&T's shipyard ???

Does it mean that all the work is being done by L&T and credit and malai going to GRSE ?

It reveals the efficiency of GRSE's shipyard in Bengal. Full of laal chaddies !!!
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Manish_P wrote:X-Post from Re: INS Vikrant: News and Discussion thread.
Kersi wrote:..NOT F 18 !!!

Maybe another dozen P 8s

And "plenty" of MQ-9
Would 31 be 'plenty', sir.. :)

Ahead of Modi’s visit to US, India approves procurement of MQ-9B armed drones
The 31 MQ-9B just for Navy would have been good i.e. plenty !!
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Kersi wrote:...
The 31 MQ-9B just for Navy would have been good i.e. plenty !!
You can bet there will be more coming..

In the meantime let's hope that our homegrown fledgling TAPAS attains maturity soon :-

From the UAV thread
Vips wrote:DRDO and Indian Navy team successfully demonstrated transferring of command & control capabilities of TAPAS UAV from a distant ground station to onboard INS Subhadra, 148km from Karwar naval base on 16 Jun 2023.

The UAV was seamlessly flying around an altitude of 20,000ft (ASML). INS Subhadra controlled UAV operations for 40min during its 3.30hrs flight duration.
DRDO.

TAPAS took off at 07.35hrs from Aeronautical Test Range (ATR), Chitradurga which is 285 km from karwar naval base. One Ground Control station (GCS) and two Ship Data Terminal (SDT) were installed in INS Subhadra for controlling the UAV. After trial TAPAS landed back at ATR.
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Rakesh wrote:
Manish_P wrote:Noob question - Future UCAVs will also operate from our future carriers. Are CATOBARs more suitable for UCAVs than ski jump type?
I am a noob in this as well, but I would assume it would depend on the weight of the UCAV. The revised IAC-2 (follow on Vikrant Class vessel) is supposed to be able to operate drones and UCAVs. Admiral Hari Kumar had mentioned that, a little while back. And this is supposed to be a STOBAR Class vessel.
Thanks. I was wondering about the problems mentioned with having propellers at the back..

Here is how UAVs will be recovered aboard TCG Anadolu
In May 2021, two months after the project’s launch, Bayraktar’s CEO shared a concept image showing TCG Anadolu launching TB3 drones.

While it was clear that the LHD would launch the drones using a roller system on the bow of the ship, it was unclear how the ship would catch up with the drones. After the Baykar chief’s explanations, Selcuk Bayraktar clarified this issue by explaining that the drones would be secured with safety nets. He claimed that the safety nets would be a safety measure, but the TB3 drones would stop on the deck before touching the nets.

The hook arresting system doesn’t appear to be feasible for TB3 drones because of their propeller on the back, but MIUS has no such limitation.
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L&T & DRDO join hands to realize indigenous AIP for Indian Navy subs
https://www.financialexpress.com/busine ... s-3137894/
22 June 2023
Larsen & Toubro (L&T) and Defence Research and Development Organisation (DRDO) have joined forces to realize an Indigenous Air Independent Propulsion (AIP) System for the submarines of the Indian Navy. This collaboration involves the development of two AIP System Modules for the Kalvari Class submarines.

These modules, which consist of fuel cell-based Energy Modules (EMs), are designed to generate power and produce hydrogen on demand, eliminating the need to carry hydrogen onboard and addressing safety concerns.

On realisation and integration of these modules in the submarines, India will join an elite club of a handful of nations who have indigenously developed fuel cell based submarine AIP technology which is critical for increasing the endurance of conventional submarines. It is pertinent to mention here that principally this technology is a green one since the by-product of the reaction is non-polluted water which can be released into the oceans.

According to an official company statement, these Modules which constitute the core of the fuel cell based AIP System, are indigenously developed by Naval Materials Research Laboratory (NMRL) of DRDO with L&T as prime industry partner, an association spanning more than a decade.
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DRDO And L&T Team Up To Develop AIP For Indian Navy Submarines
https://www.navalnews.com/naval-news/20 ... ubmarines/
23 June 2023
Larsen & Toubro and DRDO signed a contract for the realization of two Air Independent Propulsion (AIP) System Modules for Kalvari-class Submarines of the Indian Navy.
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Was it ever tested on the just retired Kilo? I believe it was retired to be test bed for AIP,LI-ion batteries and such. I doubt we can open it in 6 months, put the plug and test it. Also these AIP contracted today will not be ready tomorrow.

So what it means is, while the new AIP is being readied, the Kilo will go in testing in parallel. Talk about having confidence in the AIP or maybe talk about desperation to take a high risk approach. I would vote for the former. Another possibility is that it has been tested on some other Kilo that we do not know of. Wasn't one in Vishakapatnam under repair for a decade?
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No, it wasn't. The system has been tested on land based test site and has demonstrated safe operation.

Additionally, now why doesn't the Navy stipulate fitting of the DRDO AIP to the P-75I?
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https://twitter.com/Varun55484761/statu ... 59968?s=20 ---> India & Japan signed Memorandum of Cooperation for development of Integrated Mast UNIted COmbined Radio aNtenna NORA-50,a horn-shaped structure in which numerous antennas for tactical data link, TACAN & communications. By covering the antennas in one structure, it can reduce RCS.

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Rakesh wrote:The Russian Type 65 HWT has the following specs;

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Length: 9.14m (30 feet)
Diameter: 650mm (25.6 in)
If fired from a Kilo (Sindhughosh) Class SSK, Indian Navy and NSTL are likely using some modification...for the 650mm torpedo tube of the Kilo Class, to fire a Varunastra torpedo which has a diameter of 533mm.
Admiral the Kilo class subs have 533mm tubes only. Even the INS Chakra-II that India had leased, had all 533mm tubes.

The diameter of the Varunastra is not an issue. Its the length. All Western subs, require torpedoes that are shorter than Russian design. Unfortunately, the Varunastra was primarily designed to replace the Russian torpedoes on the Kilo class.

Unless we develop a version with a shorter length, they cannot be used on the Kalvari class.

The easier option would be to just import the Black Shark torpedoes for the 6 Kalvari class and for all the follow on subs, design the torpedo tubes to be able to carry the Varunastra torpedoes.

The Shishukumar class can carry a mix of Black Shark and SUT torpedoes, till the time they are in service.
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mody wrote:Admiral...
My fault Saar. You are correct. I did not take into account the length of the torpedo, but only the diameter.

And yes the Kilo Class that the Indian Navy has, only feature 533mm torpedo tubes. They have the Type 53-65 torpedo I believe and not the Type 65 HWT that I alluded to earlier.
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Project Shakti Torpedo
https://alphadefense.in/shakti-torpedo/
28 June 2023

Tweet below is from Vice Admiral AK Singh (retd), a veteran Indian Navy submariner.

https://twitter.com/subnut/status/16743 ... 49568?s=20 ---> Indigenous thermal torpedo

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If what the article says its true it's an amazing development, I hope we can have 2 sizes for these thermal torpedoes which can fit both Western standard and longer version for Russian standard Torpedo tubes.
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https://twitter.com/singhshwetabh71/sta ... 95520?s=20 ---> Below is a locally developed thermal torpedo under Project Shakti. A few of you might be wondering what a thermal torpedo is. Fret not. Basically most torpedoes used by navies worldwide are of two types, by propulsion systems -

1. Thermal
2. Electrical

https://twitter.com/singhshwetabh71/sta ... 85538?s=20 ---> As you guessed it, electrical torpedoes use an electric motor to move, and thermal torpedoes use fuel to burn. The special part is the fuel, as it doesn't require oxygen to burn and can light up very fast.

https://twitter.com/singhshwetabh71/sta ... 72704?s=20 ---> Fun part? You can add boosters in the fuel and it can go faster than electric motors, and the range is sometimes larger than them as well. Another thing, they are super quiet. We have been developing them for quite some time as well.

https://twitter.com/singhshwetabh71/sta ... 45570?s=20 ---> Electric torpedoes are easier to make, maintain, store. Hence torpedoes that we made till now were electric like Varunastra and TAL (Advanced Light Torpedo Shyena).

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This tweet is from 2020....

https://twitter.com/strategicfront/stat ... 25664?s=20 ---> The development of Shakti thermal torpedo in began in 1996. The project was cancelled as it did not meet Navy's Qualitative Requirement. Shakti's engine was mated with a pump jet propulsor and tested at >60 knots.

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https://twitter.com/livefist/status/167 ... 75712?s=20 ---> Indian MoD signs ₹2,725 crore with Mazagon Dock Shipbuilders Ltd for medium refit with life certification of Type 209 submarine, INS Shankush.

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