Indian Navy News & Discussion - 12 April 2021

Yagnasri · Post by **Yagnasri** » 10 Oct 2023 10:54

IA also asked for AA guns with programmable ammunition or something like that some time back. I do not know what happened to that.

Rakesh · Post by **Rakesh** » 17 Oct 2023 18:45

Ministry of Defence signs contract with Cochin Shipyard Limited for Mid Life Upgrade and Re-Powering of INS Beas
https://pib.gov.in/PressReleseDetailm.aspx?PRID=1968058
16 Oct 2023

https://x.com/Defencematrix1/status/171 ... 13952?s=20 ---> Ministry of Defence signs contract with Cochin Shipyard Limited for Mid-Life Upgrade and Re-Powering of INS Beas. The INS Beas is the first of the Brahmaputra Class frigates to be re-powered from steam to diesel propulsion. After completion of the Mid-Life Upgrade and Re-Powering in 2026, INS Beas will join the active fleet of the Indian Navy with a modernized weapon suite and upgraded combat capability.

titash · Post by **titash** » 17 Oct 2023 20:45

Rakesh wrote: ↑17 Oct 2023 18:45 Ministry of Defence signs contract with Cochin Shipyard Limited for Mid Life Upgrade and Re-Powering of INS Beas
https://pib.gov.in/PressReleseDetailm.aspx?PRID=1968058
16 Oct 2023

https://x.com/Defencematrix1/status/171 ... 13952?s=20 ---> Ministry of Defence signs contract with Cochin Shipyard Limited for Mid-Life Upgrade and Re-Powering of INS Beas. The INS Beas is the first of the Brahmaputra Class frigates to be re-powered from steam to diesel propulsion. After completion of the Mid-Life Upgrade and Re-Powering in 2026, INS Beas will join the active fleet of the Indian Navy with a modernized weapon suite and upgraded combat capability.

This is the best news from the IN in a while:

1) The 3 Brahmaputras are the only steam powered frigates/destroyers in the IN. The powerplant is an older design and no doubt requires a very large number of personnel in the engine room. Moving to a Kamorta class propulsion with 4 diesels in lieu of 2 boilers/steam turbines is a good move.

2) The sensor / weapons suite may see an upgrade as well. Perhaps replace 16 Urans with 4 BrahMos, install the VL-SRSAM in lieu of Barak-1. Perhaps even get rid of some older radars.

3) The Indonesians did some interesting experiments with their old Dutch Leanders...diesel propulsion + conversion of the helo hanger to fire VLS Yakhont missiles.

Shows the benefits of having a local design

Rakesh · Post by **Rakesh** » 17 Oct 2023 20:49

Titash-ji, see below...

Eventually the entire surface fleet of the Indian Navy will feature the BrahMos. The older (and quirky) Urans will all be retired.

Navy signs deal to re-engine 3 warships
https://www.defencenews.in/2023/10/navy ... -warships/
17 Oct 2023

bala · Post by **bala** » 17 Oct 2023 21:20

Indian Navy undertakes twin-carrier CBG ops with more than 35 aircraft in Arabian Sea, demonstrating its formidable capability in ensuring sustained air ops across the vast maritime expanse and underscoring India's commitment to safeguarding India’s national interests.

Indian defence analysis: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NRsycKHE16o

Rakesh · Post by **Rakesh** » 18 Oct 2023 18:52

Out of 10 Sindhughosh (Kilo) Class submarines, only 7 are left. The Sindhudhvaj was decommissioned in July 2022, the Sindhuvir was transferred to the Myanmar Navy in March 2020 and the Sindhurakshak was written off in an explosion in Aug 2013.

https://x.com/Defencematrix1/status/171 ... 60933?s=20 ---> The Ministry of Defence, Government of India, intends to procure seven Fire Warning System (FWS) for Sindhughosh Class submarines and seeks participation in the procurement process from prospective bidders subject to requirements.

Rakesh · Post by **Rakesh** » 20 Oct 2023 18:46

Photo of INS Imphal is during sea trials.

https://x.com/GunjanxD/status/1715339612594504129?s=20 ---> Indian Navy receives third ship of P15B Class Stealth Guided Missile Destroyer. Delivered INS Imphal almost four months ahead of schedule delivery date.

Rakesh · Post by **Rakesh** » 20 Oct 2023 18:49

The P-15A (Kolkata Class) and the P-15B (Visakhapatnam Class) destroyers are coming out at a quicker pace (one a year), than her predecessor ---> P15 (Delhi Class) destroyers which was every two years. Even the upcoming P-17A (Nilgiri Class) frigates are having quicker construction times. A very welcome change from the earlier snail pace our shipyards used to work at, which can be clearly seen in the time gap from the P15 Class to P15A Class (13 years) and from P15A Class to P-15B Class (5 years).

INS Delhi D61: 1997
INS Mysore D60: 1999
INS Mumbai D62: 2001

https://x.com/Rakshit46199123/status/16 ... 95296?s=20 --->

* D63:- INS Kolkata - 2014
* D64:- INS Kochi - 2015
* D65:- INS Chennai - 2016
* D66:- INS Vishakapatnam - 2021
* D67:- INS Murmgao - 2022
* D68:- INS Imphal - 2023
* D69:- INS Surat - 2024

7 world class destroyers in 10 years, quite a good rate. Although needs to be increased.

Rakesh · Post by **Rakesh** » 20 Oct 2023 18:56

The rumour mill is that four follow-on P-15B (perhaps will be called P-15C ?) destroyers will be ordered, till the keel of the first P-18 NGD (Next Generation Destroyer) is laid. Let's see what happens.

SRajesh · Post by **SRajesh** » 20 Oct 2023 21:27

Rakesh-ji,

The rapid turnover : a result of orders well in time (before the lines run idle) or modular building and better adaptability??
Or a combination of both??

drnayar · Post by **drnayar** » 20 Oct 2023 21:33

Modular ship building.. currently IN experimenting with much larger modular blocks than before.. the shipyards are also spending more on building on scale.. incl CSL., expect the second carrier to come earlier in as much as 5 years. All the blocks are made simultaneoulsy in different locations with pvt ind participation.

I think IN is indigenously designing the air traffic management complex imported from Russia before, this was one of the holdups

drnayar · Post by **drnayar** » 20 Oct 2023 21:37

Rakesh wrote: ↑20 Oct 2023 18:49 https://x.com/Rakshit46199123/status/16 ... 95296?s=20 --->
...
7 world class destroyers in 10 years, quite a good rate. Although needs to be increased.

Expect new farticles to come out in western press, regarding rapid Indian Navy buildup, etc...but in a more benign mode !!

Rakesh · Post by **Rakesh** » 23 Oct 2023 17:45

SRajesh wrote: ↑20 Oct 2023 21:27 Rakesh-ji,

The rapid turnover : a result of orders well in time (before the lines run idle) or modular building and better adaptability??
Or a combination of both??

No -ji for me please.

I see that Dr Saab replied to your post.

Rakesh · Post by **Rakesh** » 23 Oct 2023 17:47

Rakesh wrote: ↑20 Oct 2023 18:46 https://x.com/GunjanxD/status/1715339612594504129?s=20 ---> Indian Navy receives third ship of P15B Class Stealth Guided Missile Destroyer. Delivered INS Imphal almost four months ahead of schedule delivery date.

Not sure if this is of INS Imphal, but just wanted to post this picture of a RBU-6000 ASW rocket.

https://x.com/Geopolitic_Info/status/17 ... 62985?s=20 ---> Mazagon Dock Shipbuilders Limited (MDL) has delivered INS Imphal, the third ship of the Project 15B Class of stealth guided missile destroyers to the Indian Navy, four months ahead of schedule.

Rakesh · Post by **Rakesh** » 01 Nov 2023 20:43

https://x.com/indiannavy/status/1719606 ... 10403?s=20 ---> An Indian Navy destroyer of @IN_EasternFleet carried out successful firing of BrahMos missile in the Bay of Bengal. The missile achieved all mission objectives.

Rakesh · Post by **Rakesh** » 06 Nov 2023 20:31

VIDEO: https://x.com/DeshGujarat/status/172153 ... 98302?s=20 ---> Logo of the Indian Navy’s Warship INS Surat unveiled in Surat this evening. Gujarat's Gir Lion and Lighthouse of Hazira find a place in this crest.

VIDEO: https://x.com/DeshGujarat/status/172151 ... 96766?s=20 ---> Watch | Unveiling of the crest for the fourth indigenously constructed P15B ship, named INS Surat, after Gujarat's city of Surat, renowned for its rich maritime history.

In A First, Crest Of Navy Warship ‘Surat’ To Be Unveiled In Gujarat
https://www.defencenews.in/2023/11/in-a ... n-gujarat/
06 Nov 2023

Rakesh · Post by **Rakesh** » 07 Nov 2023 19:23

https://x.com/indiannavy/status/1721714 ... 28496?s=20 ---> The crest of Surat - the fourth Project 15B Destroyer, unveiled by Shri @Bhupendrapbjp, Chief Minister of Gujarat, depicts the lighthouse at Hazira (Surat), one of the first lighthouses in India and the Asiatic Lion, which is also the state animal of Gujarat.

Rakesh · Post by **Rakesh** » 09 Nov 2023 04:22

https://x.com/rajatpTOI/status/1722280899440525410?s=20 ---> Bravo! Former Navy Chief, Admiral Karambir Singh (Retd) conferred with the Order of the Rising Sun, Gold and Silver Star during the reception for the Japan Self-Defense Forces Day!

Rakesh · Post by **Rakesh** » 16 Nov 2023 19:57

VIDEO: https://x.com/indiannavy/status/1725144 ... 66452?s=20 ---> Amini, the fourth ship of Anti-Submarine Warfare Shallow Water Craft being built by @OfficialGRSE launched at M/s L&T, Kattupalli by Mrs Manju Naithani. Vice Admiral Sandeep Naithani, COM was the Chief Guest at the event. The ships will be equipped with state of the art underwater sensors.

https://x.com/ReviewVayu/status/1725088 ... 19741?s=20 ---> Fourth Anti-Submarine Warfare Shallow Water Craft (ASW SWC) Launched by GRSE. Of the 40 warships on order from the Indian Navy at various shipyards in the country, GRSE is building 19 warships.

Rakesh · Post by **Rakesh** » 19 Nov 2023 23:09

Why Indian Navy needs a smaller frigate? (Talwar class sized)
https://battlemachines.org/2023/11/17/w ... ass-sized/
17 Nov 2023

Pratyush · Post by **Pratyush** » 20 Nov 2023 09:36

This is a poorly thought out article.

The major driver of warships cost in modern day is no longer the size of the ship. It's the EW and Sensor fit, along with the numbers of weapons that a ship is supposed to carry.

Roughly the cost breakup is as follows.

1) EW, Sensors and weapons fit.
2) Propulsion systems.
3) cost of steel and yard space.
4) Crew Size.

In modern threat environment, even your low end combatants will require 360° phased array radars along with VLS for AAW capabilities.

Especially within the Indian context, where the threat is PRC and TSP combined. Along with the fact that PLAN will have basing rights in TSP. Refueling and crew swap facilities in Sri Lanka.

The threat level in this scenario are going to be so high. That even the "low end frigates", are going to require an EW fit on par with the "high end frigates".

You can get by with 30 cell VLS system instead of 48 cell VLS. On such a smaller ship. But the cost savings are not going to be that much different.

Pratyush · Post by **Pratyush** » 20 Nov 2023 09:43

Having said all the above, a case can be made for ships similar to the Russian Gremyashchiy class. But these are not Frigates.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gremyashc ... s_corvette

Even these are 150 million USD.

Rakesh · Post by **Rakesh** » 22 Nov 2023 19:39

VIDEO: https://x.com/ANI/status/1727185155897389143?s=20 ---> Imphal (Yard 12706), Indian Navy’s latest indigenous guided missile destroyer, scored ‘Bulls Eye’ in her maiden Brahmos firing at sea. First ever test-firing of Extended Range Brahmos missile before a ship’s commissioning underscores the Indian Navy’s unwavering focus on Combat Readiness, Atmanirbhar Bharat’s growing shipbuilding prowess and assured reliability of indigenous weapons and platforms.

Rakesh · Post by **Rakesh** » 23 Nov 2023 04:44

Rakesh wrote: ↑22 Nov 2023 19:39 VIDEO: https://x.com/ANI/status/1727185155897389143?s=20 ---> Imphal (Yard 12706), Indian Navy’s latest indigenous guided missile destroyer, scored ‘Bulls Eye’ in her maiden Brahmos firing at sea. First ever test-firing of Extended Range Brahmos missile before a ship’s commissioning underscores the Indian Navy’s unwavering focus on Combat Readiness, Atmanirbhar Bharat’s growing shipbuilding prowess and assured reliability of indigenous weapons and platforms.

https://x.com/writetake/status/1727192719569879168?s=20 ---> BrahMos firing.

Rakesh · Post by **Rakesh** » 28 Nov 2023 20:39

https://x.com/ReviewVayu/status/1729372 ... 57447?s=20 ---> Ludovic Dumont, MBDA India General Delegate: "L&T MBDA Missile Systems Ltd is offering Sea Ceptor, an Indian-led SRSAM to the Indian Navy, as part of our commitment to Atmanirbhar Bharat and Make in India.” The RFP is for the SR-SAM for Indian Navy’s Kamorta Class P28 ships.

Info Sheet on Sea Ceptor ---> https://www.mbda-systems.com/product/sea-ceptor/

Rakesh · Post by **Rakesh** » 28 Nov 2023 20:44

Raksha Mantri Shri Rajnath Singh unveils crest of Project 15B stealth guided missile destroyer Yard 12706 (Imphal)
https://pib.gov.in/PressReleasePage.aspx?PRID=1980365
28 Nov 2023

Pratyush · Post by **Pratyush** » 28 Nov 2023 21:02

Rakesh wrote: ↑28 Nov 2023 20:39 https://x.com/ReviewVayu/status/1729372 ... 57447?s=20 ---> Ludovic Dumont, MBDA India General Delegate: "L&T MBDA Missile Systems Ltd is offering Sea Ceptor, an Indian-led SRSAM to the Indian Navy, as part of our commitment to Atmanirbhar Bharat and Make in India.” The RFP is for the SR-SAM for Indian Navy’s Kamorta Class P28 ships.

Info Sheet on Sea Ceptor ---> https://www.mbda-systems.com/product/sea-ceptor/

^^^
Just as the DRDO efforts to build a short range SAM are nearing fruition. MBDA enters the frey with a "make in India", solution.

Prem Kumar · Post by **Prem Kumar** » 28 Nov 2023 23:07

We should say "b@lls to you!"

VL-SRSAM is better in every respect - both speed & range

R Charan · Post by **R Charan** » 28 Nov 2023 23:07

Indian Navy's proposal on second indigenous aircraft carrier cleared by Defence Procurement Board

https://defence.in/threads/indian-navys ... board.806/

R Charan · Post by **R Charan** » 28 Nov 2023 23:09

Defence ministry inks Rs 2956 crore contract with BHEL to procure 16 super rapid gun mount for Navy
https://defence.in/threads/defence-mini ... -navy.807/

JTull · Post by **JTull** » 29 Nov 2023 01:15

That picture is a heat exchanger (boiler). Completely inappropriate for the news about guns.

Aditya_V · Post by **Aditya_V** » 29 Nov 2023 04:33

Is his an upgraded version of the AK 630 system.

pravula · Post by **pravula** » 29 Nov 2023 04:54

JTull wrote: ↑29 Nov 2023 01:15 That picture is a heat exchanger (boiler). Completely inappropriate for the news about guns.

Maybe to cool the barrel

Rakesh · Post by **Rakesh** » 29 Nov 2023 06:43

https://x.com/VivekSi85847001/status/17 ... 00374?s=20 ---> Mesmerizing shot of Indian Navy INS Kalvari (S-21) Submarine.

Rakesh · Post by **Rakesh** » 29 Nov 2023 20:14

JTull wrote: ↑29 Nov 2023 01:15 That picture is a heat exchanger (boiler). Completely inappropriate for the news about guns.

https://x.com/ReviewVayu/status/1729735 ... 23623?s=20 ---> India's MoD signs contract with Bharat Heavy Electricals Ltd to procure 16 Upgraded Super Rapid Gun Mount & accessories worth Rs. 2957 Cr for Indian Navy. Upgraded SRGMs will be installed onboard Indian Navy's in-service and newly built ships by Mazagaon Dock & GRSE.

Rakesh · Post by **Rakesh** » 29 Nov 2023 20:14

https://x.com/ians_india/status/1729498 ... 76722?s=20 ---> Indian Navy will get medium calibre anti-missile/anti-aircraft point defence weapon system for its vessels, it was announced. The equipment and accessories are worth Rs 2,956.89 crore, a Defence Ministry statement said. According to it, weapon system is capable of multiple engagements in multi-threat scenarios and has a proven record of very good performance against missiles and highly maneuverable fast attack crafts.

Rakesh · Post by **Rakesh** » 29 Nov 2023 20:16

https://x.com/Tej_Intel/status/1729507661954130052?s=20 ---> Ministry of Defence inks contract with Bharat Heavy Electricals Limited to procure 16 Upgraded Super Rapid Gun Mount & accessories worth ₹2956.89 Cr for Indian Navy. The upgraded SRGM, which will be manufactured by M/s BHEL at its Haridwar Plant, is a medium caliber anti-missile/anti aircraft point defence weapon system which provides a sustained rate of fire and high accuracy.

Rakesh · Post by **Rakesh** » 30 Nov 2023 22:26

https://x.com/NewsIADN/status/1730138391583596864?s=20 ---> Spanish Firm Navantia to bid for the Indian Navy's contract for 4 Landing Platform Docks along with Indian partner L&T. Navantia expects the Indian Navy to issue the RFP next year.

Rakesh · Post by **Rakesh** » 30 Nov 2023 22:34

Rakesh wrote: ↑29 Nov 2023 20:16 https://x.com/Tej_Intel/status/1729507661954130052?s=20 ---> Ministry of Defence inks contract with Bharat Heavy Electricals Limited to procure 16 Upgraded Super Rapid Gun Mount & accessories worth ₹2956.89 Cr for Indian Navy. The upgraded SRGM, which will be manufactured by M/s BHEL at its Haridwar Plant, is a medium caliber anti-missile/anti aircraft point defence weapon system which provides a sustained rate of fire and high accuracy.

India Procures 16 Upgraded Super Rapid Naval Gun Systems For Indian Navy
https://www.navalnews.com/naval-news/20 ... dian-navy/
29 Nov 2023

Rakesh · Post by **Rakesh** » 30 Nov 2023 22:38

VIDEO: https://x.com/indiannavy/status/1729780 ... 80150?s=20 ---> Indian Navy to Conduct Operational Demonstration at Sindhudurg on 04 Dec 2023, for Navy Day 2023. Witness the Warships, Aircraft and MARCOs display the operational prowess & capabilities of the Indian Navy. Live on @DDNational.

https://x.com/writetake/status/1729745645911814584?s=20 --->

Indian Navy ops demo at Sindhudurg

First IN mega event outside a major naval station

20 warships, 40 aircraft including MiG 29K, LCA Navy and MARCOS to be major attraction

(Press Release)

जलमेव यस्य, बलमेव तस्य (The one who controls the sea is all powerful.)

Indian Navy will display its operational prowess and capabilities through an 'Operational Demonstration' covering a spectrum of naval operations by the ships and aircraft at the iconic Sindhudurg Fort on the western seaboard of India on 04 December 2023. The event, hosted by Admiral R Hari Kumar, Chief of the Naval Staff, will be witnessed from the Tarkarli beach by senior Centre and State government officials, military dignitaries and the local populace. The event aims to celebrate and glorify our rich maritime history and shed the colonial practices.

Built in the year 1660 by the Maratha Ruler Chhatrapati Shivaji Maharaj, the Sindhudurg Fort boasts of India’s rich maritime history and also meets the Navy’s requirement to conduct an operational demonstration with its frontline assets.

The Navy Day on 04 December commemorates "Operation Trident", the Indian Navy’s audacious attack on Karachi harbour during the 1971 War. The Op Demo is being organised to celebrate the valour and courage of the personnel and their resolve to achieve the impossible under adverse circumstances. The event will also showcase the Indian Navy's state-of-the-art ships and aircraft to the general public and online viewers through a live telecast.

The event will witness participation of 20 warships along with 40 aircraft comprising MiG 29K and LCA Navy as major attraction along with combat beach reconnaissance and assault demo by the Marine Commandos of the Indian Navy. The other major attractions include performance by the Naval Band, continuity drill and horn pipe dance by the SCC cadets. The event will culminate with illumination of ships at anchorage followed by laser show at Sindhudurg Fort.

This is the first time that the Indian Navy will be organising a mega event which is not taking place at any major naval station. The location of the Sindhudurg Fort is 550 km from Mumbai and about 135 km from naval station at Goa. All out efforts have been made by the Navy along with the State Government and local administration to showcase these events.

Navy Day celebrations are aimed at fostering greater outreach, renewing maritime consciousness amongst our citizens and highlight the Navy’s contributions towards national security.