Amber G. wrote: ↑20 Dec 2023 11:55 Unconfirmed reports that Trudeau called Dawood Ibrahim during his last moments to discuss unknown men & poisoning. He expressed concern & spoke about India & the importance of upholding - and respecting - the rule of law.
Dawood's last words -"Ya Allah - will you ever shut up?"
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Nawaz lashes out at Army
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Not really.
The gasbag jihadi is showing off to his admirers how bakistan was doing great till some ex-jernails committed some blunders in allowing themselves to get influenced by his opponent and backers to remove him from power.
The gasbag jihadi is showing off to his admirers how bakistan was doing great till some ex-jernails committed some blunders in allowing themselves to get influenced by his opponent and backers to remove him from power.
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Nawaz has had to go through a lot at the hands of Pakmil establishment.
I'm not sure why he's choosing this moment to speak out against his tormentors, but I think he's right in saying that Pakmil is the main reason their country has been getting poorer.
Having just ousted Imran, I don't think Pakmil have any real choices beyond PML/Nawaz -- unless you think Bhutto Jr can be their next stooge. (We can always watch for statements from him.)
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Where exactly does he say that?
He is a smart businessman and an even smarter politician. He knows there is no hope for bakistan unless unkil restarts the gravy train (which he thinks it will, as unkil needs pak against India).
To protect his offspring and his feudal empire he cannot go against present jernails so he is simply trying to blame some of the ex-jernails. That too in an indirect way. Not the Military establishment as a whole.
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If Unkil needs Pak against India, then how will Unkil hope to have India against China, especially when Pak is with China?
Still, why is he speaking up now in particular? Is he hoping to scoop up some of Imran's anti-military populism?To protect his offspring and his feudal empire he cannot go against present jernails so he is simply trying to blame some of the ex-jernails. That too in an indirect way. Not the Military establishment as a whole.
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Unkil's immediate concern is China, India is a future concern. Super powers think in terms of decades, not months and years.
That's the point. He is not speaking in 'particular', he is merely speaking in general. As any typical double speaking Paki (especially a seasoned politician) does. Kindly show a recent video where he speaks specifically against a current serving Jernail or the present military establishment. Not a video where journos try to impose their own interpretations of what he said.
He spoke about the ex-army chief and ex-ISI chief being partial to Immy but that was when he was in london.. since being 'allowed' to return to pak he has toned down that rhetoric significantly. He is safe with getting away with oblique references as the aam abduls are not too happy with the jernails since Immy went on a harakiri blitz against them. Badmash is a canny survivor and not a megalomaniac like the kaptaan to take the Fauj head on.
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New low in Afgan-Pak relations as Taliban Govt plans to unilaterally build a dam over the Chitral River.
The Chitral River, which flows into Afghanistan from NW Pakistan, is a significant tributary of the Indus River.
Most importantly, an Indian company is involved in this project
https://www.deccanherald.com/india/indi ... 19455.html
The Chitral River, which flows into Afghanistan from NW Pakistan, is a significant tributary of the Indus River.
Most importantly, an Indian company is involved in this project
lIndia signs pact for building dam in Afghanistan, brushing aside opposition from Pakistan
The Shahtoot Dam is proposed to be built in the Chahar Asiab district near Kabu
https://www.deccanherald.com/india/indi ... 19455.html
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The Shahtoot dam news is from 2020. Much water has flowed down the Chitral since then.
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https://www.espncricinfo.com/story/usma ... st-1413824
Here we go a Pakistani is always a Pakistani
Hope the IPL realise this and stop molly cuddling with Gora desh born Pakistani
Here we go a Pakistani is always a Pakistani
Hope the IPL realise this and stop molly cuddling with Gora desh born Pakistani
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I see India's push to develop economic relations with ASEAN (650 million people, $8 trillion economies); and then realize that Central Asia, while a lesser prize for India, needs Pakistani collaboration to be anything more than a Russian & Chinese playground. I don't think China and to some extent Russia, will want a stronger Indian influence there; and so Pakistani hostility to India is going to be a permanent feature of geopolitics. Even if Pakistan wants to change, its paymasters will not let it. And of course, Pakistan does not seem to want to change.
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I think it is all hype of superpowerdom that they can account for most things, if not everything, for decades in advance. The current superpower, King Amir Khan, helped PRC beginning early 1970s. Five decades later, see where they are. The much vaunted deep state couldn't see collapse of USSR, rise & expansion of militant !$1@m, PRC, India etc. The list goes on.
However, they do manage to stay on top. For a few more decades. By breaking away from old allies (ex. p@kies) and making new ones (ex. India).
Agree with everything else in your post
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Pakistanis are mordern day Ghauri and Ghaznis , there is choice but to break it up into smaller entities which compete with each other, like land locked Pakjab depending on Sindhi state etc for energy, Sindhis requiring Pakjab with food while fightingeach other. Some areas critical to us should be obtained. We must then have a special Road rail link, sea link under or control to Baluchistan, Afghanistan totally dependent on us with which we access CAR and Russia.A_Gupta wrote: ↑23 Dec 2023 22:51 I see India's push to develop economic relations with ASEAN (650 million people, $8 trillion economies); and then realize that Central Asia, while a lesser prize for India, needs Pakistani collaboration to be anything more than a Russian & Chinese playground. I don't think China and to some extent Russia, will want a stronger Indian influence there; and so Pakistani hostility to India is going to be a permanent feature of geopolitics. Even if Pakistan wants to change, its paymasters will not let it. And of course, Pakistan does not seem to want to change.
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They not only could see it, they actively encouraged it.. as you yourself point out in your post.la.khan wrote: ↑24 Dec 2023 09:09..
I think it is all hype of superpowerdom that they can account for most things, if not everything, for decades in advance. The current superpower, King Amir Khan, helped PRC beginning early 1970s. Five decades later, see where they are. The much vaunted deep state couldn't see collapse of USSR, rise & expansion of militant !$1@m, PRC, India etc. The list goes on.
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Else it must be a pretty retarded nation state if they helped China but couldn't foresee it's rise due to it. Used militant Islam to hit the SU to the point of collapse (and also contain it's ally India) but still not see it's expansion.
When you look at 5 decades for them, look also at 5 decades for us. Where we were in the 1970s and where we are now...
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Manish_P wrote: ↑24 Dec 2023 10:50They not only could see it, they actively encouraged it.. as you yourself point out in your post.la.khan wrote: ↑24 Dec 2023 09:09..
I think it is all hype of superpowerdom that they can account for most things, if not everything, for decades in advance. The current superpower, King Amir Khan, helped PRC beginning early 1970s. Five decades later, see where they are. The much vaunted deep state couldn't see collapse of USSR, rise & expansion of militant !$1@m, PRC, India etc. The list goes on.
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Else it must be a pretty retarded nation state if they helped China but couldn't foresee it's rise due to it. Used militant Islam to hit the SU to the point of collapse (and also contain it's ally India) but still not see it's expansion.
When you look at 5 decades for them, look also at 5 decades for us. Where we were in the 1970s and where we are now...
Manish ji,
cheen was a project that went horribly wrong for the amrikis and their foolish camp followers the britshits, and the europeans who jumped onto the bandwagon. What the goras actually wanted and what they eventually ended up with were diametrically opposite situations and they were neatly out played by the hans and then taken to the cleaners.
The amrikis and their society at large actively encouraged it and connived, collaborated, and schemed with the cheen because of greed which most corporates have cynically camouflaged and justified as "shareholder interests", thus chasing happiness through the acquisition of wealth and power is their drug of choice, and the be all and end all of their existence and most amrikis consider it a fundamental right guaranteed to them
It was a one sided relationship that the hans cleverly used to fuel their own rise, while they also denuded the amrikis of resources and industrial capabilities, as the amrikis went on a wild spree of investment in cheen and outsourcing of amriki jobs in critical and vital sectors
They don't want a repeat of that with India and so they need a pliant government in India that is stripped of all geopolitical ambition, a govt they can control almost in perpetuity, to extract resources not limited merely to labour, capital, talent and this time around (second colonization) India is a humongous reservoir of intellectual resources, something that the goras never catered for or even understood and now they are gobsmacked at the sheer scale of things going down in India. To prevent another cheen like situation, they desperately need a pappu and not a Modi
cheen is like a parasite that grows stronger with even host it actively seeks out. The OBOR is nothing but a host parasite environment that has been created to lull the target countries into complacency even while it's being bled and eaten alive from within. Their agreements with the host countries are secretive and protected using the dominant local politicos, invariably alluring them with a few well placed bribes to family members and party functionaries and if all else fails a well chosen assassination(s) is/are always an option to send out the message of brotherhood and harmony
The cheen have sunk their hooks deeply into the amriki body politic, into the financial and industrial, and academic ecosystems, and devastated the heartland of amrika leaving unemployment, drug addiction, mindless street violence, and a very bitter homeless population in their wake
They hit a few unexpected road blocks like the pakis, the baluch, and the afghans who came at them out of left field with the jihadis exposing and exploiting risk contingencies that the hans hadn't catered for and couldn't manage because of local cultures and civilizational issues that could never be understood by an alien invaders like the hans whose entire repertoire of domination was limited to money and violent police actions and that mistake eclipsed all their smug calculations and left them defenceless with an utterly panicked cheeni work force scrambling for safety.
the cheens now know that they will never be able to prevail in "paki" like situations and the other victims of cheeni financial predatoriness have carefully watched, learned and are now probably ready to teach them a paki like lesson in their own countries
I guess that this is what the amrikis will do next, foment local insurrections against the cheens in many a little outpost of a country that has signed on for the OBOR and paid the price of inviting a hungry anaconda to their home
The ongoing hamas drama has hidden story writers, directors, producers, and financiers who have not not yet appeared in the rolling credits which will run in mandarin
The amrikis and the cheen are now like conjoined twins, joined at the hip and any moves that they make will be like a danse macabre
Everyone wants leverage..........
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3JGPGOi83NA
A Paki who acknowledges that most of their ancestors converted under duress; that most of their ancestors are Indian only; the genetic tests of Syeds and Qureshis and such show them to be 99% South Asian only.
Who is this strange creature?
"Salman Rashid is a Travel writer and a Fellow of Royal Geographical Society."
A Paki who acknowledges that most of their ancestors converted under duress; that most of their ancestors are Indian only; the genetic tests of Syeds and Qureshis and such show them to be 99% South Asian only.
Who is this strange creature?
"Salman Rashid is a Travel writer and a Fellow of Royal Geographical Society."
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One thing I notice about these Pakistani historians is they will blame politicians they now have started to blame army, they blame awaam, they blame unkill and everyone else but not a word against Malsi. If Pakistan was created for la ilahaa ... then sure the blame must fall on it as well
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^^ I have not seen the cast in its entirety, but this Salman Rashid could be a Hindu panjabi of that generation sitting in a drawing room in Chandigarh.
Ae bandah Pakistani naee ho sakta.
You can also use another identifier instead of Pakistani.
At any rate, only remarkable in Pakistan. Would not merit much comment if were an Indian.
Perhaps such rare people should be recognised as quasi-Indian.
Babucracy can no doubt create the necessary paper work.
Ae bandah Pakistani naee ho sakta.
You can also use another identifier instead of Pakistani.
At any rate, only remarkable in Pakistan. Would not merit much comment if were an Indian.
Perhaps such rare people should be recognised as quasi-Indian.
Babucracy can no doubt create the necessary paper work.
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He is.. even if he, like some other senior Pakistanis in their old age, claim to be culturally indian on account of their roots. It's another matter how their branches and seeds loathe that part of their lineage and assert it has nothing to do with their identity.
His memoirs, if anyone is interested - https://www.amazon.in/Time-Madness-Memo ... B077B7MPSZ
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What happened at Poonch - the latest • Retd SSP shot while doing Namaz by Col. Ajay Raina (Retd)
In the latest situation in Poonch where an Army convoy was ambushed and 4 soldiers were martyred. What happened to the villagers? Have the killers been captured/ neutralized?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ctiz6SD2z-w
Raja Purushottam (aka porus), who fought the greek Alexander and won against him, was the raja for Poonch, Rajouri region in J&K. The people in this area are not Kashmiris (like the ones in Srinagar area), they are different, very hardy and resistent, most people volunteer for soldiering.
This region is mountainous many caves where terrorist hide out. Tis time for Indian Army to take back/reclaim the original borders bequeathed by the Britshits at partition time. Using modern day satellite imagery, drones, infrared photos the Indian army can do the job, just requires political will. Many casualities is unacceptable and the time to act properly and solve the matter once and for all is required.
In the latest situation in Poonch where an Army convoy was ambushed and 4 soldiers were martyred. What happened to the villagers? Have the killers been captured/ neutralized?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ctiz6SD2z-w
Raja Purushottam (aka porus), who fought the greek Alexander and won against him, was the raja for Poonch, Rajouri region in J&K. The people in this area are not Kashmiris (like the ones in Srinagar area), they are different, very hardy and resistent, most people volunteer for soldiering.
This region is mountainous many caves where terrorist hide out. Tis time for Indian Army to take back/reclaim the original borders bequeathed by the Britshits at partition time. Using modern day satellite imagery, drones, infrared photos the Indian army can do the job, just requires political will. Many casualities is unacceptable and the time to act properly and solve the matter once and for all is required.
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lchetak wrote: ↑21 Dec 2023 15:55 New low in Afgan-Pak relations as Taliban Govt plans to unilaterally build a dam over the Chitral River.
The Chitral River, which flows into Afghanistan from NW Pakistan, is a significant tributary of the Indus River.
Most importantly, an Indian company is involved in this project
The Shahtoot Dam is proposed to be built in the Chahar Asiab district near Kabu[/b]
This should have been done earlier. I had suggested it in a paper I wrote on Pakistan back in 2016. There's a summary published in Swarajya,
https://swarajyamag.com/world/a-new-non ... r-pakistan
There are rivers that start in Afghanistan but the benefit goes to Pak, as Afghanistan has not constructed dams.
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Couldn't happen to a nicer person
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URL withheld.ISLAMABAD: Pakistan has witnessed a distressing rise in the number of suicide attacks with a staggering 29 such incidents leaving the country terrorised in 2023, data by the Pakistan Institute for Conflict and Security Studies (PICSS) showed on Monday.
According to The News, the surge is said to be at the highest level since 2014.
At least 329 people were killed and 582 individuals were injured in the wake of the suicide attacks in Pakistan this year. Whereas in 2013, 683 people lost their lives in 47 suicide bombings.
As compared to the preceding year, 2022, the report shows a distressing 93% increase in the number of suicide attacks, a 226% rise in resultant deaths, and a 101% surge in the number of injured individuals.
The data shows that there were 623 militant attacks in 2023, as compared to 380 such attacks in 2022. Among total attacks in 2023, 29 were suicide attacks; whereas in 2022, 15 were suicide attacks.
Furthermore, the share of suicide attacks in the total number of attacks escalated from 3.9% in 2022 to 4.7% in 2023, underscoring the severity of the situation. The share was only 1.4% in 2021 and 2.1% in 2020. The highest share of suicide attacks among total militant attacks was reported in 2018 with 18 attacks among the 229 total militant attacks.
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Qureshi being roughed up by Punjab police:
How the mighty have fallen. Bah, they were always just puppets sitting on the military's shoulders. Once out of favour, they get trodden underfoot.
Can't really feel sympathy for anyone there.
How the mighty have fallen. Bah, they were always just puppets sitting on the military's shoulders. Once out of favour, they get trodden underfoot.
Can't really feel sympathy for anyone there.
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An OK one on Siachen:
https://thefridaytimes.com/21-Dec-2023/ ... n-conflict
https://thefridaytimes.com/21-Dec-2023/ ... n-conflict
After the first war on Kashmir in 1947, a UN mediated ceasefire came into effect on 01 January 1949. Thereafter, military commanders from both sides clearly delimited the working boundary between India and Pakistan on 29 July 1949 when the Karachi Ceasefire Agreement was signed. The demarcation of the boundary as per this Agreement commenced thereafter but instead of being completed as per its mandate was stopped abruptly at a point (NJ 9842) as beyond it lay a large mass of inaccessible glaciers.
The author underscores that as per Clause B2d and C of that agreement, the ceasefire line was to proceed “thence north to the glaciers” and be demarcated in a manner “so as not to leave any no man’s land.” He quotes the demarcation document executed subsequently stating that the boundary moves “thence northwards along the boundary line going through Point 18402 up to NJ 9842” and contends that if at all the line had to be extended beyond this point it should have been done mutually by the parties following the directive of the Agreement by proceeding North, in which case a bulk of this region would have come to India.
In September 1968 Geographer Robert D Hodgson, Chief Cartographer of the US State Department, in response to the US Ambassador in India wanting to get clarity on the depiction of India’s boundaries in Jammu and Kashmir on US maps, decided that the boundary between India and Pakistan in that State could not be left hanging in the air at NJ 9842. Perhaps, taking cognition of the fact that Pakistan was a US ally and member of SEATO and CENTO he decided that the ceasefire line instead of terminating at NJ 9842, should move in an easterly direction “till the Karakorum Pass from its current position so that all States are closed off.” This meant that the Siachen Glacier was allocated to Pakistan.
This line drawn by Hodgson was neither the line agreed to by India and Pakistan in the Karachi Agreement nor an international border.
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FWIW, Based on what I read some years ago, it was also surmised that the line from NJ9842 to KK Pass was based off the ADIZs wherein Pakistani ATCs controlled airspace over that area.
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The paki thread needs to be renamed Banana army "republic" thread
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Pervez Hoodbhoy thinks Pakistan is no longer Jihadistan.
https://www.dawn.com/news/1801824/no-longer-jihadistan
https://www.dawn.com/news/1801824/no-longer-jihadistan
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I agree with Pervez Hoodbhoy here. There has been no monetary, or material support to Pakistan based terrorists for 3 days since it was a Saturday, Sunday followed by Jan 1 holiday.
As of now, there has been no, I report zero, reported terrorist incidents in 2024 which can be traced to Pakistan's training/financing of terrorists. Pakistan has definitely changed!!
Some analysts have urged caution, to wait until Jan 2, 2024 to see if Pakistan has really turned a new leaf.
On a serious note.
ISI has been reaching out to the usual suspects to form an anti-taliban alliance, since the feeling is that Talibs no longer march to Islamabad's tune
So yeah, sure they might have given up arming and training the taliban, but they are now arming and training some Tehreek-e-somethuing-ul-something filled with Abu-al-jihadi-something-somethings
As of now, there has been no, I report zero, reported terrorist incidents in 2024 which can be traced to Pakistan's training/financing of terrorists. Pakistan has definitely changed!!
Some analysts have urged caution, to wait until Jan 2, 2024 to see if Pakistan has really turned a new leaf.
On a serious note.
ISI has been reaching out to the usual suspects to form an anti-taliban alliance, since the feeling is that Talibs no longer march to Islamabad's tune
So yeah, sure they might have given up arming and training the taliban, but they are now arming and training some Tehreek-e-somethuing-ul-something filled with Abu-al-jihadi-something-somethings
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Clearly, he is not thinking. Has he joined the ISPR internship program?A_Gupta wrote: ↑31 Dec 2023 17:38 Pervez Hoodbhoy thinks Pakistan is no longer Jihadistan.
https://www.dawn.com/news/1801824/no-longer-jihadistan
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Saar
After all he is a full paying member of the desert cult club noo
Those Malasic tendencies raise to surface now and then in as much he tries to submerge them
After all he is a full paying member of the desert cult club noo
Those Malasic tendencies raise to surface now and then in as much he tries to submerge them
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Unconfirmed reports emerging that Masood Azhar, Chief of Jaish E Mohammed has been killed in a bomb explosion by Unknown attackers in Pakistan.
If this is true, can't be better start than 2024.
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Unknown Gunmen send Masood Azhar to 72 Hoors | Pakistan Blames India | Sumit Peer in Jaipur Diaglogues
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yUuGkr9nU4I
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yUuGkr9nU4I
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US told Pak Army to overthrow Imran. Everyone knows this, whether Americans admit this or not.
US is putting sanctions on Bangladesh under the pretext of wanting more democracy there.
But meanwhile there are no sanctions against Pakistan Army for overthrowing the country's most popular elected civilian politician.
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Read this for a good weekend laugh about "Munir Doctrine"
https://www.mei.edu/publications/pakist ... asim-munir
https://www.mei.edu/publications/pakist ... asim-munir
Gen Munir then visited the US and met with diplomats to negotiate another IMF bailoutGen. Munir has made clear a preference for pursuing a hedging strategy, aiming to avoid getting entangled in global binary politics. His strategic approach is centered on maximizing Pakistan's economic gains to avoid subservience to major powers and increase its room for maneuver. He articulated this vision for defending Pakistan's sovereignty by building a robust economy, emphasizing that, “all Pakistanis must throw out the beggar’s bowl.”
First, he has expressed a commitment to project and advance a softer image of Pakistan. Second, he has demonstrated a keen interest in elevating Pakistan as a regional middle power. Third, he has placed a significant focus on prioritizing geoeconomics over geopolitics.
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https://english.newstrack.com/world-new ... tan-417345
Another one bites the dust!!
Kya ho raha hain
And anymore news about Dawood
Another one bites the dust!!
Kya ho raha hain
And anymore news about Dawood
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Is he the Jaish e Muhammad founder?