Challenge of China_ Political, Economic & Military Responses

[SSridhar]

Whether SQUAD, AUKUS or QUAD, China is our permanent & mortal enemy.

[sanman]

If this latest grouping also falls short, perhaps the next grouping can be called SPAZ - Singapore, Philippines America, New Zealand

spaz
/spaz/

noun
an incompetent or uncoordinated person.

verb
lose physical or emotional control.

[sanman]

I have a question for you all - do you think America/West will one day encourage China to invade Mongolia, in order to instigate trouble between China and Russia?

Look at Mongolia's population - just barely above 3 million - making it ripe for China's taking, just like Tibet.

[hgupta]

Whether SQUAD, AUKUS or QUAD, China is our permanent & mortal enemy.

You may think so but it’s actually the US since US was the latest avatar of British imperialism and British imperialism is India’s permanent and mortal enemy after the Mughals were vanquished. China has never been an enemy of India until 1959.

[ramana]

Whether SQUAD, AUKUS or QUAD, China is our permanent & mortal enemy.

Am surprised SS. There are no permanent enemies, only permanent interests.
PVNR who knew more than most of us had said to paraphrase, "The West will come to India to defang China. My advice is to be neutral."

[ramana]

Gen PRS is coming across as a Col Blimp-type character.

[SSridhar]

Whether SQUAD, AUKUS or QUAD, China is our permanent & mortal enemy.

Am surprised SS. There are no permanent enemies, only permanent interests.
PVNR who knew more than most of us had said to paraphrase, "The West will come to India to defang China. My advice is to be neutral."

Nothing to be surprised about, ramana.

There are certain civilizational aspects in certain countries or in relationships between certain countries. For example, I am convinced that China & Japan could never have a normal state-to-state relationship because of their 2000 year-old civilizational hostility. The Japanese investments in China and the Japan-China trade volume do not alter that equation. That hostility is very enduring and deep-seated.

China's global goals are too well known for repetition, especially here. As our forced-neighbour, its designs and actions are mortally threatening to us. Even if China were to make a course-correction to its stand with us, that would be only tactical as it did in the late 80s & 90s.

Oh yes, PVNR was way too knowledgeable. However, if only permanent interests matter, and rightly so, defanging China is in our permanent interests too because of its behaviour with us since becoming a neighbour as well as its massive size & power which it misuses in the region and in our neighbourhood and backyard. We might not have had a civilisational enmity with China like what Japan had but that cannot be attributed to China's practice of benign statecraft with us for over two millennia. There were other reasons.

[sanman]

Why American Automakers Are Failing In China

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LiamzUP6rjo

[sanman]

China grabbing more land from Bhutan:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i9xe7N_OEXs

[A_Gupta]

https://insideevs.com/features/719015/c ... d-of-west/
China vs the West in electric vehicles

[chetak]

This is why the cheenis, so very badly, want arunachal pradesh


https://www.youtube.com/shorts/W6FotCLD ... ture=share

[S_Madhukar]

Ex US Harrier pilot who gave up US citizenship and took Oz passport is charged by US of sharing secrets with Chinese pilots when he was instructor in South Africa and was paid $180K salary. He and family had earlier lived in China for 6 years where he was apparently hired as aviation consultant . Aussie wife says he is innocent but shows you 5 Eyes is a superstate where US calls the shots. This happened more than 10 years ago but only now he was arrested after relations with China have been down recently

https://youtu.be/YTi7Lw6wTXU?si=kNWEoVBU7ZSiF67x

[sanman]

US putting new tariffs on Chinese products

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EtAGDcfCOpk

[sanjaykumar]

Gotta admire the way the Americans go for their national interest. They have wiped out trillions from the Shanghai stock exchange but have no intention of stopping.

Lowered demand from the us and allies. Firms pulling out. Investment being curtailed. Alternate supply chains in India Vietnam Mexico. How to win without fighting a war. Sun Tzu anyone?

[srin]

This is why the cheenis, so very badly, want arunachal pradesh


https://www.youtube.com/shorts/W6FotCLD ... ture=share

I don't understand. Since Brahmaputra and its tributaries are at a lower elevation in Arunachal than in the Occupied Tibetan plateau, what will the Chinese plan to do with the extra water - do they plan to pump it up the mountains ? Or resettle their population in Arunachal ?