Small Armaments & Infantry Equipment - News & Discussion

[Manish_P]

Their weapon has 1-km range, which is a lot more than a grenade-launcher

Please check out the US Mk 19 automatic grenade launcher.

[Manish_P]

Jindal Defence (Taurus-T9) has been declared as the L-1 in 550 𝟵𝘅𝟭𝟵𝗺𝗺 𝗠𝗮𝗰𝗵𝗶𝗻𝗲 𝗣𝗶𝘀𝘁𝗼𝗹 tender (different) of the Indian Army.

Taurus T-9 will be manufactured in India via ToT.

The contract value is ₹4,25,97,500
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Did we have the Italian berreta CX4 in this category earlier? Remember seeing it with the BSF

[NRao]

[Thakur_B]

I wonder if Col Bansod is working with ARDE on other weapons.

[ashthor]

Indian Army Takes Delivery Of 27,000 Locally-Made AK-203 Assault Rifles

https://swarajyamag.com/defence/indian- ... ult-rifles

The Indo-Russian Rifles Private Limited (IRRPL) has delivered close to 27,000 AK-203 assault rifles to the Indian Army.

Furthermore, an additional 8,000 rifles will be delivered to the army in the next two weeks.

[vonkabra]

Now to see whether the OFBs which messed up the INSAS production can manufacture defect-free AK-203s.

[Manish_P]

^ they have to. They don't have excuse of it being an unproven design by a first time manufacturer.

[sohamn]

These might be the totally imported CKD batches. I don't think Indo-Russian Assault has fully manufactured any fully built rifle from scratch

[ramana]

Any one know the Indian Army Platoon weaponry?
Like how many LMGs etc?

[Pratyush]

https://tradebrains.in/features/defence ... ines-guns/

Defence stock hits 5% upper circuit after receiving an order from Indian Army for submachines guns

Published on 3rd June 24.

Lokesh Machines Limited shares gained 5% on the news that it has received the production contract for Asmi machine pistol.

[srai]

Any one know the Indian Army Platoon weaponry?
Like how many LMGs etc?

An IA infantry platoon is usually made up of 3 sections (10 soldiers each) plus platoon HQ.

An infantry section is armed this way: (exact rifle could be different than in picture)
2 x LMG
1 x CG
7 x AR (+ 2 x UBGL)

Someone can correct the above


https://www.reddit.com/r/IndianDefense/ ... structure/

World over a section is made up of 8 to 10 men with at least one LMG and couple of grenadiers for fire support as well as one (or two) disposable rocket launcher. Plus, platoon HQ may also have support weapon like 51mm mortar.

[Rakesh]

https://x.com/AjayshreeSamby3/status/18 ... 8590271618 ---> Negev NG7 (Prahar) to be the standard Light Machine Gun of Indian defence forces with a contract signed with @AdaniDefence in FY 2023-24. Important to note that in FY 2022-23 financial year Negev was the only LMG to successfully clear trials and already 16,479 are in service.

[Prem Kumar]

So Adani will make LMGs & Netra-Mk2, with no prior experience in either

Why not build an SSK on the side?

Truly Atmanirbhar - wah,wah!

[Pradyut]

BSNL was sacrificed for Ambani

Now OFB is being sacrificed for Adani

[ashishvikas]

^^ It was Punj Lloyd which has been taken over by Adani.

[isubodh]

So Adani will make LMGs & Netra-Mk2, with no prior experience in either

Why not build an SSK on the side?

Truly Atmanirbhar - wah,wah!

Adani is only the name, the experience comes from the acquisition of Alpha Design
https://www.thehindubusinessline.com/co ... 899360.ece

[Pratyush]

INSAS bullpup redesigned by Colonel Bansode. Video published by Sandeep Unninathan. Published on 23 June 2024.

[Rakesh]

So Adani will make LMGs & Netra-Mk2, with no prior experience in either

Why not build an SSK on the side?

Truly Atmanirbhar - wah,wah!

Saar, one more Make-In-India, 100% Atmanirbhar Bharat program!

MPATGM...ta-ta, bye-bye, khatam!

India, US discussing co-production of Javelin anti-tank missiles
https://www.aninews.in/news/world/asia/ ... 624190952/
24 June 2024

[Bala Vignesh]

INSAS bullpup redesigned by Colonel Bansode. Video published by Sandeep Unninathan. Published on 23 June 2024.

Damn, that looks sleek!! Alas it will never see the light of the day.

[Rakesh]

https://x.com/manupubby/status/1805470498685333908 ---> India-Russia JV that makes rifles in Amethi, ousted from competition to supply close quarter battle carbines, vendor moves court. Had offered AK-19 for estimated Rs 12k crore deal. Adani, Jindal now leading contenders.

[Rakesh]

https://x.com/manupubby/status/1805470498685333908 ---> India-Russia JV that makes rifles in Amethi, ousted from competition to supply close quarter battle carbines, vendor moves court. Had offered AK-19 for estimated Rs 12k crore deal. Adani, Jindal now leading contenders.

https://x.com/alpha_defense/status/1805499259099475972 ---> This means the remaining companies in the competition are Adani and Jindal with their JV partners in the Indian Army's Carbine Tender. So screwdrivergiri > IDDM.

https://x.com/alpha_defense/status/1805507266357215565 ---> Although the so-called carbine (AK-19 is a full-length assault rifle in 5.56) was rejected on the basis of financial conditions, anything based on the AK-12 (AK-19 is the 5.56 cousin of the AK-12, just like the AK-15 is its 7.62 x 39 mm cousin) shouldn't be inducted.

https://x.com/alpha_defense/status/1805513470454202608 ---> The rifle will inherit everything that's bad about the AK-12 series. The classification (not a carbine) and the data from the authorised vendor are wrong. Their claim of the commonality with AK-203 is also not correct. The AK-202 is from the 200 Series not the AK-19.

[ramana]

So who is behind BSS Material?
Why does the Joint Venture need a marketing entity?
They have a captive market aka Indian Army.

[ramana]

If Army is moving away from 5.56 mm cartridge what is this CQB carbine boondoggle? Is it for CAPF?

[ramana]

Long saga of AK-203 rifle.

https://www.financialexpress.com/busine ... a-3386771/

[nachiket]

If Army is moving away from 5.56 mm cartridge what is this CQB carbine boondoggle? Is it for CAPF?

Previous discussion regarding this below. I had similar doubts. I am guessing it is the same tender

viewtopic.php?p=2586608#p2586608

Thakur saab why is a 5.56mm carbine needed now if all infantry rifles are to be replaced with either the AK-203 or the SIG-716? Why complicate logistics even further than we are already doing? The AK-203 comes with a folding stock by default I believe. That should suffice.

7.62x39 has very little advantage over 5.56x45.

5.56x45 is
- more controllable
- lighter weapons and load
- more effective against bpj and helmets. In fact even more so than 7.62x51
- better suited for cqb
- shoots flatter and is more accurate

7.62x39
- is better against unarmoured combatants in lethality.
- better at not getting lost shooting through the foliage.
- goes through light cover better

7.62x39 would have been the perfect cartridge if it's ballistics were any better.

Ideally IA should have opted for 6.5 grendel or 6.8x43 which are closer to 7 62x39 in size and are pretty much advantageous to 5.56x45, 7.62x39 and 7.62x51. instead of opting for newer calibers, we opted for three conventional calibers

Thakur saab I missed this reply earlier. Are the advantages of 5.56 over 7.62x39 still valid if we are comparing the AK-203 with a 16" barrel to a 5.56mm carbine with smaller barrel length (and muzzle energy)? And are they enough to warrant an entirely new procurement? I'm not even sure which troops exactly would be using these carbines and in what scenarios.

Nachiket ji, 5.56x45 with a 10.3 inch barrel loses only 25% velocity compared to a full 20 inch barrel. Just having a folding ir collapsible stock won't make AK203 into a cqb weapon. The IA CQB carbine requirement is modelled after Mk 18 program rather than the M4.

In any case the IA seems to have completely given up on any ammo commonality requirements, instead going for a mix of all three of 7.62x39, 7.62x51 and 5.56x45 in different weapons.

Which rifles are the other two contenders (Jindal and Adani) screwdrivering for this tender?

[nachiket]

Also I guess those annual turnover requirements in the tender would ensure that companies like SSS Defence with their own designs would be unable to bid for it even if they wanted to. And the concept of doing your own R&D is of course alien to our business houses like Jindal and Adani.

[Pratyush]

So who is behind BSS Material?
Why does the Joint Venture need a marketing entity?
They have a captive market aka Indian Army.

https://www.zaubacorp.com/company/BSS-M ... 6PLC007232

Has the details of the directors and you can find out more about the director and associated companies.

Prima facie, they appear to be agents for the supply of firearms. Why are they required for a single buyer and single seller situation is beyond me. But are there none the less.

[Rakesh]

India’s 15-yr quest for anti-tank missile: Israeli Spike, DRDO option, back to US for Javelin talks
https://theprint.in/defence/israeli-spi ... s/2140053/
26 June 2024

Recent high-profile visit was of US National Security Adviser this month during which a number of key issues, including military cooperation, was discussed by both sides.

[srai]

Number 1 importer -> Atmanirbhar Bharat (10-years+) -> back to imports

Coming back full circle


Basically, the services used “emergency” purchases to import all sorts of things. Then when it comes actually buying in bulk they are not looking local. They know that they can get companies like Adani to license manufacture some components to qualify as MII. So imports it is.

[Thakur_B]

Arad has a good chance of winning the carbine contract. Taurus T4 is another Ar15 derivative. That would atleast allow common training with SiG716. Arad definitely is a superior product and PLR already has a production plant running.

Next up if IA floats a tender for 7.62x51 rifles, Arad is available in the same. Slowly IA will start muttering that AK203 is not optimum for enemy combatants with armour. AK203 will be relegated to guard and sentry duties, territorial army and reserves. Army will keep placing small periodic repeat orders for the two. The standard rifles and carbines will be from Ar10/Ar15 family.

10 years down the line we would now how successful the US NGSW outcomes have been.

New caliber will be selected. New rifles will be sought. Ar15 / Ar18 evolution like SiG MCX or Beretta NARP with folding stocks will be selected.

The writing is on the wall. You read it here first.

[Manish_P]

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New caliber will be selected. New rifles will be sought. Ar15 / Ar18 evolution like SiG MCX or Beretta NARP with folding stocks will be selected.

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Thakur ji, what do you think about the Zatsava M19 which is touted as a modular AK (even though it has very less commonality)?

It features quick barrel change and on field caliber change (7.62x39 and 6.5x39)

[Pratyush]

Sandeep Unninathan is previewing the compact Trichy assault rifle

[youtube]i7IJhZhmjog?si=UWRIYLMfJwzrRVRT[/youtube]

https://youtu.be/i7IJhZhmjog?si=UWRIYLMfJwzrRVRT

[SBajwa]

[sanjayc]

India-Russia joint venture delivers 35,000 AK-203 rifles to Indian Army

Ahead of Prime Minister Narendra Modi's visit to Russia, Indo-Russian Rifles Private Limited (IRRPL), a joint venture (JV) between India and Russia, has announced the successful delivery of 35,000 AK-203 assault rifles to the Indian Army.

The production of these rifles has been deployed in India in full compliance with the Make in India and Atmanirbhar Bharat Abhiyaan programmes. The project includes technology transfer and 100% localisation of the AK-203 production.

The Indo-Russian Rifles Private Limited joint venture, co-founded by ROSOBORONEXPORT on the Russian side, has completed the first phase of the project to produce AK-203 Kalashnikov assault rifles in India.

To increase the degree of localisation, all necessary equipment has been shipped to the Korwa Ordnance Factory in Amethi, Uttar Pradesh, and production facilities are now fully equipped, emphasised Alexander Mikheev, Director General of ROSOBORONEXPORT.

This made it possible to produce and deliver a batch of 35,000 Kalashnikov assault rifles to the Indian Army within the timeframe agreed with the Ministry of Defence of India, he added.

The Kalashnikov AK-203 assault rifle is a version of the AK-200 rifle chambered for the 7.62x39mm cartridge used in the Indian Army. The weapon has the traditional advantages of Kalashnikov assault rifles, which are reliability and ease of maintenance.

https://www.businessinsider.in/defense/ ... 515693.cms

[bala]

Ugram - performed better than Sign 716; superior handling, functional and ergonomic

Indian Defense Analysis



DRDO's the “Ugram,” weapon uses a 7.62 x 51-millimeter caliber round and weighs less than four kilograms (8.8 pounds). Armament Research and Development Establishment (ARDE), Pune, with the help of Hyderabad-based Dvipa Armour India Private Limited (DAIPL), has developed an indigenous assault rifle named ‘Ugram’ aka the fierce one.

[morem]

Isn't the problem always at the mass manufacturing stage, poor tolerances etc. ? Prototypes will always be 100% true to design.

[Prem Kumar]

SSS Defense exports its homegrown sniper rifle & fulfills orders worth $50 Million for various ammunition. While the IA top-brass is busy navel-gazing about their sniper rifle requirements

Same tamasha as that of ATAGS, where a foreign country trusts our product, while the IA doesn't

https://theprint.in/defence/india-becom ... n/2166312/

[vonkabra]

As far as the Indian Army is concerned, it will never change. However, looking on the bright side, at least Indian firms are developing such capabilities and are being able to export - even this was unimaginable even 10 years back. More power to SSS Defence's elbow as far as I'm concerned - hope they are able to export to many other countries as well.

[bala]

Adani Defence gets largest ever order of NEGEV NG7 7.62X51mm Light Machine Gun

Indian Defense Analysis



AK203 which have 7.62 X 39 and also SIG716 with 7.62 x 51 and now negev LMG. The Army small arms is dominated by foreign maal - Russian, Ameriki and now Israel. Where is India design and development and its manufacturing?

[chetak]

India becomes exporter of sniper rifles for the first time ever, Bengaluru firm, SSS Defence bags mega contract from a friendly nation

https://www.news18.com/india/india-beco ... 60159.html