Understanding the US - Again

[g.sarkar]

Trump is convicted. Jury MUST be CORRUPT and the Judge MUST be BIASED bigly. QED

Going by his past record, Donald Trump will not pay his lawyers. The lawyer fees will have to be renegotiated.
Gautam

[Amber G.]

Trump is convicted. Jury MUST be CORRUPT and the Judge MUST be BIASED bigly. QED

In simple terms, he got convicted on *all* 34 counts because he broke the law ,, fought the law and Law won! .

[Mort Walker]

Abhijit Iyer-Mitra
@Iyervval
Proven: the US is a banana republic, where prosecutions, judges & juries can be rigged. I’ve said this before & I’ll say this again - they’ll kill Trump or end his candidacy. At this point the US is in the same category as Russia & China - systematic targeting & elimination of opposition candidates.

GoI must condemn these actions by the Biden regime as it signals the US's declining democratic values. GoI will continue to closely monitor this issue.

[Vayutuvan]

No surprise. July 11th is sentencing. The corrupt judge will jail him & the only question is for how long.

A mere four days before RNC.

[williams]

Abhijit Iyer-Mitra
@Iyervval
Proven: the US is a banana republic, where prosecutions, judges & juries can be rigged. I’ve said this before & I’ll say this again - they’ll kill Trump or end his candidacy. At this point the US is in the same category as Russia & China - systematic targeting & elimination of opposition candidates.

GoI must condemn these actions by the Biden regime as it signals the US's declining democratic values. GoI will continue to closely monitor this issue.

Funny these guys are commenting about our Democracy. Whether their system is right or wrong, it is very clear US power is declining with lack of leadership across their political spectrum.

[chetak]

Trump is convicted. Jury MUST be CORRUPT and the Judge MUST be BIASED bigly. QED

In simple terms, he got convicted on *all* 34 counts because he broke the law ,, fought the law and Law won! .

Amber ji,

You are right.

but khujliwal is also in a similar boat and this creep is even slimier than Trump, so why did the amrikis lecture us about him, as did the germans and the UN.

You will notice that many "brave" media voices are quiet about criticizing trump's conviction, fearful about what he may do if he comes back.

Many have reported the conviction but the vast majority have refrained from editorializing the issue.

India under Modi was not accorded a similar curtsey

or are we to assume that there white, brown, yellow, and black democracies for different contingencies ....

[vera_k]

Adding to the shambolic nature of elections in the USA, there are some states who have laws preventing felons from being on the election ballot. So while Trump may run for President, he would not be on the ballot in those states unless these laws are changed pronto.

[Amber G.]

Adding to the shambolic nature of elections in the USA, there are some states who have laws preventing felons from being on the election ballot. So while Trump may run for President, he would not be on the ballot in those states unless these laws are changed pronto.

- Trump is a voter in Florida
- He supported restrictive voting laws, including those preventing felons from voting
- Florida's laws allow felons (convicted in NY state) to vote unless in jail or with uncompleted probation/parole
- Trump can likely run and vote in Florida (unless in jail in NY)
(As the laws currently stand,,etc,)

FWIW: The Constitution and federal laws do not explicitly prohibit individuals with criminal convictions or those currently in jail from running for President. However, states may have their own laws and regulations regarding candidate eligibility, ballot access, and voting rights for individuals with criminal convictions.

Voting rights for individuals with criminal convictions vary by state.

[Cybaru]

In simple terms, he got convicted on *all* 34 counts because he broke the law ,, fought the law and Law won! .

Amber ji,

You are right.

but khujliwal is also in a similar boat and this creep is even slimier than Trump, so why did the amrikis lecture us about him, as did the germans and the UN.

You will notice that many "brave" media voices are quiet about criticizing trump's conviction, fearful about what he may do if he comes back.

Many have reported the conviction but the vast majority have refrained from editorializing the issue.

There is mass duplicity! I hope they call out all the folks that are taking a page out of US elections and declare things are illegal if they don't win...

[Tanaji]

Saar, this whole concept of removing voting rights from felons is untenable. What is the basis for disenfranchising felons, especially in a country like USA where each state has its own set of laws and definitions as to what constitutes a felony along with a federal definition? Does one stop being a citizen or paying taxes after being a felon?

[Cybaru]

Saar, this whole concept of removing voting rights from felons is untenable. What is the basis for disenfranchising felons, especially in a country like USA where each state has its own set of laws and definitions as to what constitutes a felony along with a federal definition? Does one stop being a citizen or paying taxes after being a felon?

Amazing question. Yes, no one should lose the right to vote, no matter what the crime. If you start segregating on types of crimes, you come to the state where America is now. 

A lot of it predates slavery, where only educated white men were allowed to vote. Still, then the southern states, which had a very large, freed black population due to the 14th and 15th Amendments in the late 18th century and early 19th century, started with Jim Crow laws and Black code laws. if you make loitering a crime, you could now punish a jobless black man and put him in jail. You could work around slavery if the states were clever! If he was in jail, he could be used on a farm as a farm laborer, and you could also strip them of the right to vote.

* In 1890, Mississippi adopted a constitutional provision disenfranchising individuals convicted of certain crimes, including burglary, theft, and arson.
* In 1901, Alabama enacted a law disenfranchising individuals convicted of "any felony involving moral turpitude."

I am simplifying this: now you have so many southern states with very large black populations and hardly any representation, like Mississippi and Alabama, and that is all where this stuff began...

America does not have any right to lecture anyone. It needs to fix its own frigging house..

Here is an article. for you start with, you probably already know this, but possible someone may find this useful.

https://www.aclu.org/news/voting-rights ... right-vote

In 1787, the Constitution considered Black people as three-fifths of a human being. Blacks voting was not an issue. Then came the Civil War and the 13th, 14th, and 15th Amendments. Enslaving people, except as punishment for a crime, was illegal. Birthright U.S. citizenship was established, explicitly including freed enslaved people. Black men got the right to vote. Over 2,000 Black men were elected to government offices, and they began purchasing or homesteading property and voting.
America responded. The exception in the 13th Amendment allowing slavery as punishment for a crime was paired with “Black Codes,” which basically criminalized Black life. Blacks convicted under Black Code laws were leased out to do work, providing cheap labor to boost the South’s faltering economy. In 1850, 2% of prisoners in Alabama were non-white. By 1870, it was 74%. At least 90% of the “leased” prison laborers were Black.
In the 15 years between 1865 and 1880, at least 13 states — more than a third of the country’s 38 states — enacted broad felony disenfranchisement laws. The theory was simple — convict them of crimes, strip away the right to vote, imprison them, and lease them out as convict labor and Blacks would be returned to a condition as close to slavery as possible.
No one tried to hide the intent of these laws.
In 1894, a white South Carolina newspaper argued that amendments to the voting laws were necessary to avoid whites being swept away at the polls by the Black vote. In 1901, Alabama amended its Constitution to expand disenfranchisement to all crimes involving “moral turpitude” — a vague term that was applied to felonies and misdemeanors. The president of that constitutional convention argued that manipulating the ballot to exclude Blacks was justified because of the need to avoid the “menace of Negro domination,” especially since Blacks were inferior to whites.

[Cybaru]

Saar, this whole concept of removing voting rights from felons is untenable. What is the basis for disenfranchising felons, especially in a country like USA where each state has its own set of laws and definitions as to what constitutes a felony along with a federal definition? Does one stop being a citizen or paying taxes after being a felon?

Here is where things stand in different states regarding felony and voting

[Amber G.]

^^^FWIW (from simple point of view) (see: https://www.usa.gov/state-election-office)
The rules regarding the voting rights of felons vary widely by state in the United States. in a general :

No Restrictions: Felons never lose their right to vote, even while incarcerated.

Maine, Vermont
Incarceration Only: Felons lose their voting rights only while incarcerated and regain the right to vote upon release.

District of Columbia, Hawaii, Illinois, Indiana, Maryland, Massachusetts. Michigan. Montana. New Hampshire. North Dakota, Ohio, Oregon,Pennsylvania, Rhode Island. Utah
Post-Incarceration: Felons lose their voting rights while incarcerated and for a period of time after release, such as while on parole or probation.

California, Colorado, Connecticut, New York, South Dakota,Washington

Post-Sentence: Felons lose their voting rights until the completion of their sentence, including prison, parole, and probation.

Alaska
Arkansas
Georgia
Idaho
Kansas
Louisiana
Minnesota
Missouri
Nebraska
New Jersey
New Mexico
North Carolina
Oklahoma
South Carolina
Texas
West Virginia
Wisconsin
Post-Sentence with Additional Requirements: Felons lose their voting rights until the completion of their sentence, including prison, parole, and probation, and may have additional requirements such as paying fines, fees, or restitution.

Alabama
Arizona
Delaware
Florida
Iowa
Kentucky
Mississippi
Tennessee
Wyoming
Individual Review or Governor's Approval: Felons must apply for restoration of voting rights or receive a pardon from the governor.

Alabama (for certain felonies)
Arizona (for second-time offenders)
Delaware (for certain felonies)
Florida (for certain felonies)
Iowa
Kentucky
Mississippi
Nebraska (two-year waiting period after completion of sentence)
Virginia
Wyoming (for certain felonies)
These laws are subject to change....

[Amber G.]

Amber ji,

You are right.

but khujliwal is also in a similar boat and this creep is even slimier than Trump, so why did the amrikis lecture us about him, as did the germans and the UN.

You will notice that many "brave" media voices are quiet about criticizing trump's conviction, fearful about what he may do if he comes back.

Many have reported the conviction but the vast majority have refrained from editorializing the issue.

There is mass duplicity! I hope they call out all the folks that are taking a page out of US elections and declare things are illegal if they don't win...

Seriously ...Rahul Gandhi may be the hope of the Indian left, but he's been acting very Trumpy.

He recently said: "Mr. Modi can’t win elections without EVMs, ED, CBI, and IT." By implication, Gandhi only loses if the EVMs are rigged.

Compare this to Trump in August 2020: "The only way we're going to lose this election is if this election is rigged."

Many see parallels and speculate that if Modi wins, a large chunk of Indians will lose faith in democracy and riot like Trump supporters did on January 6, 2021.

That's not to say there won't be significant street protests, but it's doubtful they'll escalate into an almost constitutional crisis like the near-miss in the US in 2020.

Can we say that the Republic of India is the more "mature" democracy than the US, at this point in history?

[Cybaru]

That is why supporting shit like that and humoring rubbish never pans out.. Call the losing side a loser and move on.. Graciously accept you lost. fueling 4 years of we didnt really lose has their base in a mess. They can't even grieve the loss... In fact it should become a taboo to lose and not accept it gracefully. Fight if there is real rigged elections, but making India and US like African nations where elections always lead to violence is a terrible idea for the growth story that we have in India.

[chetak]

There is mass duplicity! I hope they call out all the folks that are taking a page out of US elections and declare things are illegal if they don't win...

Seriously ...Rahul Gandhi may be the hope of the Indian left, but he's been acting very Trumpy.

He recently said: "Mr. Modi can’t win elections without EVMs, ED, CBI, and IT." By implication, Gandhi only loses if the EVMs are rigged.

Compare this to Trump in August 2020: "The only way we're going to lose this election is if this election is rigged."

Many see parallels and speculate that if Modi wins, a large chunk of Indians will lose faith in democracy and riot like Trump supporters did on January 6, 2021.

That's not to say there won't be significant street protests, but it's doubtful they'll escalate into an almost constitutional crisis like the near-miss in the US in 2020.

Can we say that the Republic of India is the more "mature" democracy than the US, at this point in history?
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Amber ji,

I was only talking about the cultural duplicity, the extreme moral flexibility, and the inborn ability to justify hypocrisy because they are woke, white, commie led and complicit media shepherded.

The outcry against the "Weapons of mass destruction", with no evidence to back it up led to the immoral destruction of hapless countries, bringing untold miseries to their people and those genocidal acts have been very conveniently papered over, aided and abetted by a presstitute western media that actually led the efforts at justification of these heinous crimes against humanity because the target was not white

As for "democracy", there is no right or wrong "democracy", various countries and their peoples decide what flavor works best for them, and they each have their own takes on "democracy" and how they choose to implement it in their countries.

The west and the abrahamics have no monopoly to assert the superiority of their own systems, or even have a say in what happens in other countries with a different concept of "democracy"

The west's idea or concept of secularism is not Indian in genesis or even organic to our civilizational ethos and culture and yet that judeo christian monstrosity has been imposed upon India and her peoples by the BIF, to our long standing detriment, and allowing, for example, some eyetaalians to virtually lead both, the Indian state and the Indian govt, capturing the judiciary, academia, and the babooze network using pathetic puppets like raincoat and prathibha patil and allowing a BIF mandated free run of FFNGOs to set public policy, foreign policy, economic policies and in real terms run a parallel unelected government with all the authority and nil responsibility

No one, especially the abrahamics and the goras, ever said that India was undemocratic or backsliding or majoritarian, or autocratic during those times and yet it was all those things and yet the west was very comfortable with that particular flavor of Indian democracy because it suited them well

Now that we are increasingly and decisively setting our own narrative and that is majorly bothering the global abrahamic and political ecosystems, affecting the geopolitical and socioeconomic spaces

[williams]

Don't worry Pappu will not say election is rigged and antagonize more voters. He will accept peoples verdict and take a vacation in Thailand with Z+ security on tax payers money, while people like Yogendra Yadav and Shekhar Gupta will sulk about BJP destroying their commie institutions. Some fringe AAP elements will question the integrity of EVMs. Election commission will refute their claim and Modi will start his 3.0 avatar with a bang. Life goes on after that until 2029.

[Cyrano]

Pappu's political future is over.
Subnational engagement is over.
BIFs have been trounced but the menace will remain for a long time.

[sanman]

Pappu's future is not over -- he is the permanent loser, and the gift that keeps on giving -- long may he live

[Vayutuvan]

Trump is convicted. Jury MUST be CORRUPT and the Judge MUST be BIASED bigly. QED

In simple terms, he got convicted on *all* 34 counts because he broke the law ,, fought the law and Law won! .

sir jee, now you are explaining everything in simple terms, could you please also simply the following points.

1. What crime did Trump commit?
2. Was prosecution able to prove that beyond doubt?
3. What happens if Trump's appeal to overturn the conviction succeeds?

(I am caging a few crows to send a few folks here - namely you, @A_Gupta ji, and @Cybaru ji )

[Vayutuvan]

Jury => Modern day lynch mob

Correct. Seriously.

[Vayutuvan]

Trump is convicted. Jury MUST be CORRUPT and the Judge MUST be BIASED bigly. QED

I am reserving one crow for you as well sirjee.

[Vayutuvan]

saip ji,
each juror was polled individually and all of them said yes to the verdict and confirmed it
something stinks
khujliwal's arrest was objectionable for them, but they can, so very casually, extinguish trump ...

Chetak ji,

abhee picture baakee hai.

https://www.pbs.org/newshour/politics/g ... poll-shows

From NPR/PBS, the heartthrob of those who are arguing that this Trump was not convicted in a 'roo court.

Guilty or not guilty, Trump verdict won’t sway most voters, poll shows
Politics Updated on May 30, 2024 5:00 AM EDT — Published on May 29, 2024 4:00 PM EDT
UPDATE: A jury convicted Donald Trump on all 34 counts in his hush money trial in New York on May 30. Judge Juan Merchan set Trump’s sentencing for July 11, days before the Republican National Convention and shortly after the first Biden-Trump presidential debate of the 2024 election. Find the latest updates here.

As a jury deliberates on former President Donald Trump’s criminal hush money charges in New York, 2 in 3 registered U.S. voters say a guilty verdict would have no effect on whom they plan to vote for in the presidential election, according to a PBS NewsHour/NPR/Marist poll.

Overall, 67 percent of voters said a conviction would make no difference for them in November, including 74 percent of independents. That’s a significantly higher number than the percentage of either Republicans or Democrats who said it wouldn’t change their vote.

In fact, 25 percent of Republicans said they would be even more likely to vote for Trump if he were found guilty by a jury, while 27 percent of Democrats said they would be less likely to vote for him – a split that underscores hardened partisan perspectives on candidate Trump.

We all know who are democrat partisans here. I myself am an independent. I haven't decided yet.

(Added later) Libertarian party nominated a woke fella who wants to open the borders. They are out as far as I am concerned. They only thing effect Libertarian candidate has on the elections is that a few Biden/Harris voters will vote libertarian thus narrowing the margins further.

[Vayutuvan]

Here is what is likely to happen going forward.

1. Biden bombs on June 24th in the debate.
2. Trump will be sentenced to prison term on July 11
3. Trump gets the nomination from RNC on July 15th.
4. Several blue states (especially the swing states) and a few purple states which have a Donkey admin and a Donkey AG will take Trump off the ballot.
5. Trump would not be able to campaign effectively from his prison cell.
6. Hunter Biden case discovery process throws up Biden as the "big guy". Dems in cahoots with the help of MSM (sans FNN) and Big Tech (Meta, Google at least and possibly TikTok), will suppress the extent of Biden's involvement in the Hunter Biden's influence peddling.
7. Dems make sure that Biden/Harris wins by a slender margin (Dems would want a large margin but they would not be able to make that happen given that AAs and Latinos/Latinas voters are waking up to the elitists) in swing states and purple states.
8. Several court cases will be filed by RNC and Biden/Harris would not be certified by Red states.

That is when Xi would attack India in Sikkim and possibly they will get aggressive on Taiwan. Shittstanis will act up as well. Illegal migrants will pour into the US in large numbers.

[Vayutuvan]

Ironically enough, Dems have brought this case against Trump seven years after the so-called "crime" was committed. They are re-litigating 2016 elections saying that Trump stole the elections from Hillary C because he committed election fraud (federal election fraud which was denied by the FCC Chairman himself).

[Vayutuvan]

That is why supporting shit like that and humoring rubbish never pans out.. Call the losing side a loser and move on.. Graciously accept you lost. fueling 4 years of we didnt really lose has their base in a mess. They can't even grieve the loss... In fact it should become a taboo to lose and not accept it gracefully. Fight if there is real rigged elections, but making India and US like African nations where elections always lead to violence is a terrible idea for the growth story that we have in India.

Please see this. I am sure you muted me and all that. I want others to see through your partisanship and TDS.

NEW: Alvin Bragg's former colleague and current CNN legal analyst is calling out the rigged Trump case, even accusing Judge Juan Merchan of violating the law.

Elie Honig says the trial "blew his mind" as he called it an "unjustified mess."

"The judge donated money - a tiny amount of $35, but in plain violation of a rule prohibiting New York judges from making political donations of any kind to a pro-Biden, anti-Trump political operation," he wrote in the NY Magazine.

"The charges against Trump are obscure and nearly entirely unprecedented. In fact, no state prosecutor... has ever charged federal election laws as a direct or predicate state crime, against anyone, for anything."

"None. Ever. Even putting aside the specifics of election law, the Manhattan DA itself almost never brings any case in which falsification of business records is the only charge."

"The charges against Trump aren’t just unusual. They’re bespoke, seemingly crafted individually for the former president and nobody else," he said as he called the case "Frankenstein" because it was pieced together.

During a segment on CNN, Honig said his mind was blown when the judge determined that the jury didn't need to know what the other crime Trump committed was.

"I need to call this out... Prosecutors have to prove falsified records for another crime. Defense lawyers were begging him."

"They have to know what the other crime is, and prosecutors were saying, 'no, let's keep it very vague and general.' It's a bizarro world."

"I know that there is some aggressive reading of the New York statute that says, 'well, the jury doesn't really have to know what the other crime is.' But to me that suggests that the DA's office is hellbent on getting the conviction now and worry about the fallout."

All you Democrat partisans suffering from TDS, you have the last word on this.

[Cybaru]

sir jee, now you are explaining everything in simple terms, could you please also simply the following points.

1. What crime did Trump commit?
2. Was prosecution able to prove that beyond doubt?
3. What happens if Trump's appeal to overturn the conviction succeeds?

(I am caging a few crows to send a few folks here - namely you, @A_Gupta ji, and @Cybaru ji )

Sigh! Trolling as always. We all know he has the keys to your heart and can do no wrong , but seriously, the 5 week case is over. You should have led the defense instead of Mr Todd Blanche.

The case was well argued and the closing arguments by Stienglass were pretty well framed. Prosecution proved it beyond doubt and the Jury returned a Guilty verdict on all 34 counts. I am no lawyer, so I would urge you to read up NY state law and the issues around the case. I am sure his surrogates will claim he is innocent, that is to be expected. It is unreasonable to expect anyone other than a lawyer practicing in NY State to explain it very simply. Trump's camp will claim he is innocent only etc. I mean, look at the losers vying for his VP position. All are saying "if they lose, it's rigged, if they win, it's fair". Pretty much like how Pappu is claiming now!

Barr, Trumps AG, argued that sitting president could not be tried in court until he was no longer president and hence 2017-2021 he was safe. Alvin Bragg joined in 2021 and it takes a while for state to put a case together. Trump has managed to scuttle Florida case of stealing Secret documents from US govt and Georgia case of asking for illegal 11780 votes. So yeah, delay with every tactic and if the other side brings the case to court, cry that it is politically motivated. I think that is a valid political strategy to keep his base following him...

On this case, he even tweeted he did wrong in one his tweets many years ago, google it...

Something to think about:

He is now a Felon. This is what MR Trump has to say about presidents and felony.

"She (Jill-hary) shouldn’t be allowed to run...If she wins, it would create an unprecedented constitutional crisis. In that situation, we could very well have a sitting president under felony indictment and, ultimately, a criminal trial. It would grind government to a halt"

Hear it in his own words here:
https://x.com/AccountableGOP/status/1796553224293589011

Anyways, no back and forth please.
Kindly ignore me and don't tag me. I would appreciate it very much.

[Vayutuvan]

I am no lawyer, so I would urge you to read up NY state law and the issues around the case. I am sure his surrogates will claim he is innocent, that is to be expected. It is unreasonable to expect anyone other than a lawyer practicing in NY State to explain it very simply.

IANAL. I was following Turley, a constitutional lawyer. Let us wait and see how this is going to unfold. This is not over by a long shot. June 24th, July 11th, RNC are all coming. Meanwhile Hunter Biden will be in court. There is also this little problem with Russia Steele dossier and thos 100+ intelligence folks signing a document saying that it is al legit. Or did they sign another document which said HUnter Biden's laptop is Russian interference?

FYI, I am not trolling. I can't help if you feel otherwise. Don't claim victimhood etc. Oldest trick in the book of LeLis.

(not for @Cybaru)

Something to think about.

Did Trump go after Hillary C?

[Cybaru]

The case to watch is the election fraud case with fake electors may go federal this week. Arizona, Michigan, Wisconsin, Georgia and Nevada. That should have all the congress and senators worry a bit more than anything else.

I am surprised the DOJ did not pursue alleged life threats from Trump against VP and Altar boy Mike Pence. Willingness to bump your own VP is a big effing deal! Why haven't they prosecuted that one baffles me. Secret service itself needed to go through some stuff from the sound of it, but that didn't happen either. https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/202 ... pitol-riot

Turley is a partisan hack! He has an opinion, but if he was that much of a big shot, he should have been defending trump. All he does is tweet and tv. He doesn't put his fragile reputation on line for Trump.

What I am worried about is project 2025. Making christianity the national religion. Here is speaker of the house with christian flag outside his office. DIdnt Supreme Court Judge Alito do also have a christian flag and flew the US flag upside down? I mean they won't watch NFL when one player takes a knee to talk about police brutality, but for someone of his stature to fly the flag upside down on multiple occasions is something. Here is more on the far rights manifesto called Project 2025
https://apnews.com/article/election-202 ... 3fd5b58981

[saip]

All that Trump needed was ONE, SINGLE, SOLITARY juror to side with him. Jury was NOT cloistered. During the six weeks Trump was shooting off his mouth (or shooting himself in the foot). The Jury must have known what was happening whatever Judge Marchan might have instructed them (not to discuss the case among themselves, not allow anyone to discuss the case in their presence, not to form any opinion etc). It is not that Jury was biased, it is that Trump screwed himself poorly advised by his legal team.

[sanman]

That is when Xi would attack India in Sikkim and possibly they will get aggressive on Taiwan. Shittstanis will act up as well. Illegal migrants will pour into the US in large numbers.

I don't think China could afford to attack India first, before taking Taiwan. Attacking India first means giving up Taiwan, because they'd never have good relations with us again, and would always have to be looking over their shoulder at us more than before.

We should still never let our guard down, of course.

[Vayutuvan]

Everyone not going after Trump is partisan hack. People don’t even see the irony.

[Vayutuvan]

Democrat partisans are now going after SCOTUS. They are Trump’s allies after all, as per one CT floated here.

[Cybaru]

Haha - some of you are funny... Here are some notable prosecutions of law breakers from Democratic side...

Hunter Biden, the son of a sitting president of the United States is going on trial Monday for gun possession charges brought by a Trump-appointed prosecutor.

Bob Menendez, a powerful Democratic senator (who was the chair of the Foreign Relations Committee) is currently on trial for corruption after being indicted by Biden's DOJ. All Dems asked him to resign. He hasn't yet, so he does not get a party ticket. Out the door he goes. Don't need corrupt idiots.

Biden's DOJ recently indicted Dem Congressman Henry Cuellar for taking nearly $600,000 in bribes. Rare TX seat will be lost.

Dem Congresswoman Cori Bush is currently under investigation by Biden’s DOJ for mishandling campaign funds. Would be happy if she is replaced too!

There’s no “witch hunt,” “political persecution”, or “two-tiered system of justice.” The orange felon is just a crook, and you know it. No one should be above the law!

[sanman]

The more US prosecutes (persecutes) opposition leader Trump through a weaponized justice system, then the less credibility USA has in lecturing other countries about their human rights matters.

I hope that more countries around the world targeted by US on human rights will pointedly reply back at US by citing the Trump case as proof of double standards by Washington's ruling establishment.

[Mukesh.Kumar]

Haha - some of you are funny... Here are some notable prosecutions of law breakers from Democratic side...

Hunter Biden, ........

There’s no “witch hunt,” “political persecution”, or “two-tiered system of justice.” The orange felon is just a crook, and you know it. No one should be above the law!

Cybaru garu, the point important for us is not whether there's a witch hunt in the US or not. Since there's a sizable population believing that there is, this is a convenent stick for us to poke the US wherever they raise a point that's inconvenient for us.

We can be friends on the surface but then it's always a good card to play when the US doesn't play ball. Just taking a page out of their playbook.

What do you think?

[chetak]

How many Indian students should go "missing" or killed before the US authorities wake up and smell the coffee and act with some urgency

[williams]

Haha - some of you are funny... Here are some notable prosecutions of law breakers from Democratic side...

Hunter Biden, the son of a sitting president of the United States is going on trial Monday for gun possession charges brought by a Trump-appointed prosecutor.

Bob Menendez, a powerful Democratic senator (who was the chair of the Foreign Relations Committee) is currently on trial for corruption after being indicted by Biden's DOJ. All Dems asked him to resign. He hasn't yet, so he does not get a party ticket. Out the door he goes. Don't need corrupt idiots.

Biden's DOJ recently indicted Dem Congressman Henry Cuellar for taking nearly $600,000 in bribes. Rare TX seat will be lost.

Dem Congresswoman Cori Bush is currently under investigation by Biden’s DOJ for mishandling campaign funds. Would be happy if she is replaced too!

There’s no “witch hunt,” “political persecution”, or “two-tiered system of justice.” The orange felon is just a crook, and you know it. No one should be above the law!

Cybaru Ji, for a neutral observer it sounds like a bunch of deep state elements - intelligence, judges, prosecutors, civil bureaucrats, lobbyist and commercial interests along with media are fighting a civil war in the vacuum of political leadership that is interested in genuine progress of their great Khan land. From an Indian FP strategy POV, we just need to side with the group that can help us achieve our FP goals. However there is always a worry in the side of my head that the Chinese have grown in power to use their financial means to manipulate the systems in Khan land to their advantage. If they are doing it, taking advantage of this weak and corrupt system, then it puts us in major disadvantage. Given that we lost a precious decade through a weak kneed Maun regime.

[sanman]

Cybaru Ji, for a neutral observer it sounds like a bunch of deep state elements - intelligence, judges, prosecutors, civil bureaucrats, lobbyist and commercial interests along with media are fighting a civil war in the vacuum of political leadership that is interested in genuine progress of their great Khan land. From an Indian FP strategy POV, we just need to side with the group that can help us achieve our FP goals. However there is always a worry in the side of my head that the Chinese have grown in power to use their financial means to manipulate the systems in Khan land to their advantage. If they are doing it, taking advantage of this weak and corrupt system, then it puts us in major disadvantage, given that we lost a precious decade through a weak kneed regime.

In a sense, it's very good that this frenzy of naked stuntsmanship has exposed the Deep State so obviously, and brought them out of the shadows.

Just like when very high-energy particle accelerators are able to expose the contours of physics by creating very high-energy conditions, likewise the extreme flurry of gamesmanship by them has clearly exposed them for all to see.

Most importantly, so many Americans are now seeing and getting a taste of what many unfortunates in the outside world have had to bear.

[Cybaru]

Cybaru garu, the point important for us is not whether there's a witch hunt in the US or not. Since there's a sizable population believing that there is, this is a convenent stick for us to poke the US wherever they raise a point that's inconvenient for us.

We can be friends on the surface but then it's always a good card to play when the US doesn't play ball. Just taking a page out of their playbook.

What do you think?

Oh sure, use whatever stick you want. Just don't drink the kool-aid and feel bad later. You and me using the stick is useless. The govt needs to use other means to make the point and create equivalent talking points. They should absolutely do it!