2024 Lok Sabha Elections Exit Polls & Results

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The thing to note in this election is a complete separation between the Congress and BJP supporters.

As of now there is no overlap between them. That is the most remarkable aspect of the political situation.
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Syamji and AGuptaji
I was sent a message by a friend that the BJP candidate from Ayodhya openly claimed in an election speech that BJP needs 2/3rd majority to change consititution
Following this INDI claimed that BJP officially have endorsed to changing constitution.
This is what I meant in my earlier post obliquely: potential candidates shouldn't be prone to 'Verbal Diarrhoea" after getting carried away by election heat!
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syam wrote: 08 Jun 2024 08:41
Feedback mechanism has been damaged it seems.
Last term, Shah used to visit every karyakarta house and maintained person to person communication directly at cadre level.
That culture was replaced with sycophancy.

Also BIF carefully encouraged selective people on BJP side to have false success in the info warfare. It screwed the whole system.

We are actually dealing an actual pro here. I am sounding like a ct guy. But it's needed. Better over prepare for future setbacks than under prepare. :P
It was JP Nadda's job to do it this time. He failed miserably.
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SRajesh wrote: 08 Jun 2024 11:50 Syamji and AGuptaji
I was sent a message by a friend that the BJP candidate from Ayodhya openly claimed in an election speech that BJP needs 2/3rd majority to change consititution
We all have been saying that. There are several things in the constitution. What is intended to be changed is important. I guess it is hard to communicate it effectively during an election in all the cacophony. Get the majority and do your thing. And also, its not job of the local candidate to mouth off.
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hanumadu wrote: 08 Jun 2024 12:12 It was JP Nadda's job to do it this time. He failed miserably.
That's why he should be removed. Party chiefs should be some one who is good with people. Not this sycophant. The longer he stays, the more damage it will be. He may be useful asset to the party. But not at the head position. His rich appearance and language also big minus.
SRajesh wrote: 08 Jun 2024 11:50 Syamji and AGuptaji
I was sent a message by a friend that the BJP candidate from Ayodhya openly claimed in an election speech that BJP needs 2/3rd majority to change consititution
Following this INDI claimed that BJP officially have endorsed to changing constitution.
This is what I meant in my earlier post obliquely: potential candidates shouldn't be prone to 'Verbal Diarrhoea" after getting carried away by election heat!
Rajaeshji, We can't micro manage everything. But at least there should be proper mechanism to address the fallout. The earlier you troubleshoot, the lesser the damage. BJP top brass didn't get the feedback in time.

Seriously, the bjp it cell people look like typical bihari scamsters. They don't network with other supporters. They gatekeep everything. And also steal content from other lesser known posters. The victims are mostly our digital defence warriors. :lol:
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SRajesh wrote: 08 Jun 2024 11:50 Syamji and AGuptaji
I was sent a message by a friend that the BJP candidate from Ayodhya openly claimed in an election speech that BJP needs 2/3rd majority to change consititution
Following this INDI claimed that BJP officially have endorsed to changing constitution.
This is what I meant in my earlier post obliquely: potential candidates shouldn't be prone to 'Verbal Diarrhoea" after getting carried away by election heat!

SRajesh ji,


the people who picked this misbegotten SOB for the ticket need to be skewered, as does this loudmouthed clown

why were the candidates not briefed on what to say and not say....

These go no go criteria vary from region to region, if not constituency to constituency

The IT cell was asleep at the wheel, as were the local party head's teams in the state

Sadly, these guys were caught in a new age information warfare scenario that they had no idea existed and nor were they quick enough or even competent enough to recognise, react, and handle
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Please remember that Lallo Singh (Faizabad BJP candidate) was a 2-time incumbent. Not an easy decision to remove him unless one is absolutely certain of the level of anti-incumbency. I would forgive the BJP for this one, especially with the Ram temple being built. But the question remains: was he one of the 35 candidates that Yogi wanted changed, which Modi-Shah veto'ed?

Nadda needs to go, no doubt

But the larger point is one of anti-fragility. We cannot have a 100% perfect campaign after 5 years of slog. Someone, somewhere will say something stupid. In this case, it was not even stupid - he only said 400 needed for Constitution change. It was twisted into a lie by the SP and spread rapidly via WhatsApp. Its impossible for anyone to prevent this, though Modi did his best to damage-control it

What is needed is not mistake-prevention but fault-tolerance. That's how robust systems are built, like the Google infrastructure

1) The BJP needs to develop offensive tools in its arsenal. The antidote to a lie is not the truth (when time is short), but a narrative change or even another lie. Its very expensive to improve our SOP for the 100th time to prevent a terror attack. Much easier, cheaper & effective to just bomb Balakot, killing terrorists at their source. Similarly, BJP must pro-actively set the stage, not just by tom-tomming accomplishments, but scare the crap out of people on what will happen if Congress/SP etc come to power. Mix it with Jati/Tribal-identity/Regionalism and what not to create a potent mix. There is enough ammunition out there to use against these cretins. Lie, lie, lie, if need be. Skewer them, before they can hit back at you. Its a dirty game because politics is dirty

2) Kill the enemy: C-system is able to weaponize caste, only because it exists. Ensure it doesn't. This is a project that Modi should have started in 2014, instead of behaving like a Mahatma/Prithviraj. It didn't bite him in 2019 but did in 2024. The enemy will get worse in 2024 because they have smelled blood and will weaponize every faultline in our society. Ensure the enemy does not exist. Put their leaders behind bars, denude their wealth, re-distribute the recovered black-money to the public in a highly publicized way, dismiss all their players from institutions & stuff them with your own supporters etc. Do what Chanakya did: rip out the plant and pour sugar-water on its roots, so that the ants will devour it

Hope Modi 3.0 is the ruthless strongman that the opposition accuses him to be. His words are strong in 3.0, but so far his actions are same-old, same-old (like bowing to the constitution as if its some holy book)

Hope, for his & our country's sake, we see the Kshatriya version of him
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via @WA
Can #Modi do for the BJP what rahul khan-ghandhy has achieved for
congis in 2024 Elections

Staying under 100 seats for 3rd consecutive time?

Winning Zero LS seats in as many states & UTs

Andhra
Arunachal Pradesh
Dadra-Nagar Haveli
Daman & Diu
Himachal
J&K
Ladakh
MP
Mizoram
Delhi
Sikkim
Tripura

Getting wiped out in 4 Assembly Elections of Andhra, Odisha, Sikkim & Arunachal Pradesh.

Hence they have proved:- raul vinci is a better leader than Modi Ji & I wish him Best of Luck to continue with his superb performances for next 25 yrs....to make a Strong & Viksit Bharat under the BJP
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Prem Kumar wrote: 08 Jun 2024 13:40 1) The BJP needs to develop offensive tools in its arsenal. The antidote to a lie is not the truth (when time is short), but a narrative change or even another lie. Its very expensive to improve our SOP for the 100th time to prevent a terror attack. Much easier, cheaper & effective to just bomb Balakot, killing terrorists at their source. Similarly, BJP must pro-actively set the stage, not just by tom-tomming accomplishments, but scare the crap out of people on what will happen if Congress/SP etc come to power. Mix it with Jati/Tribal-identity/Regionalism and what not to create a potent mix. There is enough ammunition out there to use against these cretins. Lie, lie, lie, if need be. Skewer them, before they can hit back at you. Its a dirty game because politics is dirty
^^ BJP can do only so much. There is a problem with Hindus too. They keep voting for those who call Hinduism dengue and malaria and vow for its eradication, but a slip of tongue from BJP and they abandon the party immediately, as if they were looking for an excuse. We can take the horse to water, but can't make him drink. Some basic level of intelligence and an instinct for self-preservation is expected from a race if it has to survive. Otherwise it is Darwin Award for them
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Chetakji
Every Ramu/Shamu/and Gopi now has a smart phone.
JIO have left no stone unturned to drum business witn network connectivity!!
This is my grouse : Candidates briefed about what so say on controversial issues, with connectivity morphed or edited speeches can be ciculated very easily, Amit Malviya need asnwering on what the heck IT cell was upto(rather than him having a one to one with GrandTurd on the TV debates)
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whether he said 2/3rd or 400 but implication of that is the same inst it??
You are giving the reason for 400 paar arent you then??
And I think Dishaji or Sachinji gave an explation that going after Congi's is not Modiji's type of working.
They already blame him for vendetta politics with ED etc so why not go whole hog now!!
Let SuSu loose to go after National Herald and foreign passport
Need to be ruthless I agree
But I am not sure if Modiji is that type. Not sure even AS can be of that type.
I have a feeling that Yogi or Sarma can be that ruthless.
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One thing that gave away the actual situation on ground is Modiji's constituency. He got very less majority.

What are the reasons for it?

Is he bad MP candidate?

Didn't he do proper development in Varanasi?

Why did he almost lose it?

Our present democracy system reached well past its expiry date. The non-hindu vote bank will grow beyond 40% in coming years. If we don't address this, we can kiss good bye to ever getting the power after next 10 years.

Just imagine tactically placed M vote bank in more than 200 seats. They don't have to win all 543 seats. with 30-35%, they can easily manipulate those 200 seats.

We will always fight over that 1% swing vote share. This swing vote-share will get thinner year by year.

And whether we like it or not, Ms already reached a stage where they can easily win 200 seats with tactical voting. This ugly reality will take shape more in coming years. Everyone will end up like Madhavi Latha.
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Saar its the story of Lebanon.
See what tactical Muslim did to that country.
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Rajesh ji, very few people know where Lebanon is. That's why I gave Madhavi Latha example.
It's much closer to home and everyone witnessed the whole saga.
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SRajesh wrote: 08 Jun 2024 14:01 Chetakji
Every Ramu/Shamu/and Gopi now has a smart phone.
JIO have left no stone unturned to drum business witn network connectivity!!
This is my grouse : Candidates briefed about what so say on controversial issues, with connectivity morphed or edited speeches can be ciculated very easily, Amit Malviya need asnwering on what the heck IT cell was upto(rather than him having a one to one with GrandTurd on the TV debates)
Premji
whether he said 2/3rd or 400 but implication of that is the same inst it??
You are giving the reason for 400 paar arent you then??
And I think Dishaji or Sachinji gave an explation that going after Congi's is not Modiji's type of working.
They already blame him for vendetta politics with ED etc so why not go whole hog now!!
Let SuSu loose to go after National Herald and foreign passport
Need to be ruthless I agree
But I am not sure if Modiji is that type. Not sure even AS can be of that type.
I have a feeling that Yogi or Sarma can be that ruthless.

SRajesh ji,


no one has stopped susu. He has been assiduously and politically milking that herald cow for decades now and managed to get outsize dividends for only himself. susu helps no one but number 1, and that to by fooling some of the people all the time and these same people cannot see though him and accept the hollowness. BTW, mamamia is his eternal meal ticket and so he will never see it through to closure.

His drivers are fame, credit, and recognition that ensures his uncontested presence at the very top of the food chain, and so, all his efforts are directed towards attaining ONLY that end

I am not talking about 400 paar. That was just a motivational slogan, which was meant to rally the troops which many seem to have misunderstood.

Modi was fighting the inevitable 2nd term, third time re election bid that has politically doomed many other prime ministers and presidents, the world over, who were making their third term bids, due to the inescapable anti incumbency issues, along with a heavy element of voter fatigue in many cases

To Modiji's admirable credit he has personally managed to overcome both factors by a largish margin

contrasted with pappu's performance: 42 seats in 2014, 52 in 2019, and 99 in 2024. Even if we add them up, the bhindi alliance "leader" is still not close to BJP's 240 seats in 2024 and that is pappus reality, capability and limitation because he has been promoted far beyond his levels of competency merely because he is the boss's progeny

After three contiguous elections, the BJP's worst performance is by far, better than the congis best

That is the real magic of Modi and his work, despite the internal sabotage and desperate fight for BJP seats by clowns who did nothing for the party or nation over the last ten years and now expected Modiji to ensure their victories while they themselves did nothing much
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%age votes polled by BJP are higher than in the previous election
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VKumar wrote: 08 Jun 2024 16:33 %age votes polled by BJP are higher than in the previous election
BJP also contested more seats. BJP definitely under-performed.

Interestingly, many rants about Modi/BJP. But what about vice versa, surely Modi must many problems with us, his own voters? We let him down, and shown we can't be trusted.
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With hindsight, why did Congress/UPA lose 2019 elections then? After all, 2024 & 2019 was fought on the same lines, 1Lakh wages, freebies, Modi is corrupt, Modi will end reservation. The opposition actually had a better-defined campaign in 2019.

Yet,few takers back in 2019, so what has changed this time around? Is it Covid, demographics, AI tools, voter fatigue?
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VKumar wrote: 08 Jun 2024 16:33 %age votes polled by BJP are higher than in the previous election
They aren't higher and even the overall figures are deceptive.

BJP got 36.56 % this time, which was 0.8% lower than 2019. But in the states that mattered there was a significant drop:

If you consider UP for e.g. : BJP got 41.37 % compared to 49.98% in 2019. The 2019 result itself was worse than 2014
and the expectation was they will better 2019. In a 2 party race, a 20% drop ( 50 to 41.37) can result in a wipeout.

In Rajasthan, which had the next highest drop in seats (as a % of total) there was a 10% drop on vote share. (from 59.1 to 49.2%).
In Rajasthan there were no dirty tricks of fake videos/promises, no Muslim consolidation etc.
Let's accept that things went seriously wrong with the BJP's handling of the campaign in some states.
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greatde wrote: 08 Jun 2024 17:18 With hindsight, why did Congress/UPA lose 2019 elections then? After all, 2024 & 2019 was fought on the same lines, 1Lakh wages, freebies, Modi is corrupt, Modi will end reservation. The opposition actually had a better-defined campaign in 2019.

Yet,few takers back in 2019, so what has changed this time around? Is it Covid, demographics, AI tools, voter fatigue?
Maybe Modi hadn't yet run afoul of foreign Deep State, and wasn't attracting their negative focus of attention back then.
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greatde wrote: 08 Jun 2024 17:18 With hindsight, why did Congress/UPA lose 2019 elections then? After all, 2024 & 2019 was fought on the same lines, 1Lakh wages, freebies, Modi is corrupt, Modi will end reservation. The opposition actually had a better-defined campaign in 2019.

Yet,few takers back in 2019, so what has changed this time around? Is it Covid, demographics, AI tools, voter fatigue?
No party in the world, fighting an election after Covid, has been re-elected with a bigger majority. Covid devastated our economy (the biggest
GDP drop among the G-20 and the lowest spend on stimulus). At the least be mindful of that, rather than talk as if you are invincible and about
things that are not relevant to those struggling to rebuild after covid. Farmer incomes across the country are lower now than before Covid. Yes,
foreign elements organized agitations, but there was farmer distress as an underlying factor.

You also cannot win an election while choosing candidates sitting in Delhi, ignoring the CM, or views of party workers. The BJP is the biggest political
party in the world in terms of membership (excl the RSS) but had the lowest percentage of its own workers contesting, relying instead on defectors.

This election also showed the value of allies. India, being more diverse than Europe, cannot be run by 1 party across states.
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Deans wrote: 08 Jun 2024 17:22 In Rajasthan, which had the next highest drop in seats (as a % of total) there was a 10% drop on vote share. (from 59.1 to 49.2%).
In Rajasthan there were no dirty tricks of fake videos/promises, no Muslim consolidation etc.
Let's accept that things went seriously wrong with the BJP's handling of the campaign in some states.
In Andhra, BJP sidelined their loyal party people, gave tickets to the candidates who jumped from TDP. 2 of 3 AP MPs are close to CBN.
In state election, they announced a ticket to loyal sanghi. In last minute, they sidelined that guy and give the ticket to CBN loyalist.

They are doing serious backroom deals and stuff. Nadda even gave 50000 voucher promise to Orisha women. They said it will be only for state elections. It didn't make national news. Many BJP supporters were shocked at the time.
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greatde wrote: 08 Jun 2024 17:18 With hindsight, why did Congress/UPA lose 2019 elections then? After all, 2024 & 2019 was fought on the same lines, 1Lakh wages, freebies, Modi is corrupt, Modi will end reservation. The opposition actually had a better-defined campaign in 2019.

Yet,few takers back in 2019, so what has changed this time around? Is it Covid, demographics, AI tools, voter fatigue?
Strategy and alliances... In 2019 they tried to take on Modi and brand Modi directly w "Choukidar Chor hai", Rafale scam and other national level issues which didn't resonate much, Also the MGB wasn't as robust


This time instead of one overaching national issue they focused on localizing the election.. A different strategy for Eastern UP vs one for Rajasthan vs one for MH etc etc
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It is like the Indian cricket team, beating everyone left and right, and then unexpectedly losing, too.
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A_Gupta wrote: 08 Jun 2024 19:45 It is like the Indian cricket team, beating everyone left and right, and then unexpectedly losing, too.
Wrong. BJP/NDA won, it was a simple win, not a outstanding one. Lets appreciate and be comfortable with imperfect results, imperfect leaders despite pathetic voters turnout.
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AkshaySG wrote: 08 Jun 2024 17:59
greatde wrote: 08 Jun 2024 17:18 With hindsight, why did Congress/UPA lose 2019 elections then? After all, 2024 & 2019 was fought on the same lines, 1Lakh wages, freebies, Modi is corrupt, Modi will end reservation. The opposition actually had a better-defined campaign in 2019.

Yet,few takers back in 2019, so what has changed this time around? Is it Covid, demographics, AI tools, voter fatigue?
Strategy and alliances... In 2019 they tried to take on Modi and brand Modi directly w "Choukidar Chor hai", Rafale scam and other national level issues which didn't resonate much, Also the MGB wasn't as robust


This time instead of one overaching national issue they focused on localizing the election.. A different strategy for Eastern UP vs one for Rajasthan vs one for MH etc etc
Isn’t that too simplistic? Else why did Congress/Indi got rooted out in MP, GJ, Delhi, CG, JKD. It was just specifically to RJ, UP & WB.
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Can I ask what is the result of One on One i.e., BJP vs INC??
How many direct contest and who won most??
And state wise breakup??
Am I correct in stating that wherever they had alliance co-operation the INC fared better else in direct contest they failed.
Meaning tactical alliance in TN/MH/UP/Kerala gained them seats.
Only RJ is the odd one out?? and Haryana Is that the Jat factor??
Punjab a multi cornered fight??
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Ram Madhav opinion on elections:
Another serious challenge thrown up by this election was the victory of at least three independent candidates owing allegiance to separatist ideologies. Two of them, Amritpal Singh and Sarabjeet Singh Khalsa, won from Punjab while the third, Abdul Rashid Sheikh, aka Engineer Rashid, got elected from Jammu and Kashmir. Amritpal Singh and Engineer Rashid won elections from jail, where they were incarcerated for anti-India activities.

While the two winners from Punjab have been open supporters of Khalistan ideology, Rashid is a known Kashmiri separatist. Rashid defeated senior National Conference leader Omar Abdullah by a majority of more than two lakh votes. Amritpal and Sarabjeet, too, won with considerable majorities defeating their Congress and AAP rivals. The last time such a separatist voice could enter the Indian Parliament was in 1999 when Simranjit Singh Mann won the election from Sangrur in Punjab. Hitherto such voices were restricted to state assemblies in the last two decades – Mann is a member of the Punjab assembly currently while Rashid was an MLA in the J&K assembly. Radical sentiments of azadi and Khalistan are rearing their heads again in J&K and Punjab.
Full article: Link

I don't understand posters on social media. :-?

They keep telling RSS to be strong and give support to BJP. But they don't bother joining the Sangh. RSS is not some mythical entity. Bunch of guys in your area form a shakha. They just exercise and prayer. Then go back home.

If you guys are really concerned about it, please go to the shaka. For gods' sake, Ram Madhav is not running some secret ninja program.
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greatde wrote: 08 Jun 2024 17:18 With hindsight, why did Congress/UPA lose 2019 elections then? After all, 2024 & 2019 was fought on the same lines, 1Lakh wages, freebies, Modi is corrupt, Modi will end reservation. The opposition actually had a better-defined campaign in 2019.

Yet,few takers back in 2019, so what has changed this time around? Is it Covid, demographics, AI tools, voter fatigue?

greatde ji,


The BIF tried to do the very same thing in 2019. pappu was gobsmacked by the results at the time and refused to believe that he had been defeated because he had been promised a decisive victory. His reactions and body language were puzzling after the 2019 elections and it became clear only after the wild celebrations after the 2024 elections.

People are mistaking that the congis were celebrating their victory. They were actually celebrating the success of their stealing the election to a certain extent by using these BIF generated, toolkit heavy, SM based attack to divert the voters away from Modiji, and also brainwash them into voting for the congis.

It is now slowly coming out about how much money was spent on the "incentives" to the voters in rae barelli and amethi, and also by the massive bribes paid out by the dravidiyas in sabotaging the Annamalai election from coimbatore. The folks in many other places are also acknowledging that they were paid to vote for the congis and some you tube clips were there to show this but they have mostly been pruned

khadge is trying to divert the focus away from the shadier aspects of the congi's "victory" by claiming that Modiji has lost the mandate and has no moral right to head and form the government, and the press has swallowed that bait

So for a supposedly "broke" political outfit, in such a grave financial distress, WTF did the money, in such massive amounts, come from ..... :mrgreen:

the BIF sponsored abrahamic telugu fortress has been breached, and the powers that be, have now co opted the other great son of the telugus to continue the dispersing of the "good news".

So, it means that despite all, the vulnerabilities still exist
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greatde wrote: 08 Jun 2024 20:24
A_Gupta wrote: 08 Jun 2024 19:45 It is like the Indian cricket team, beating everyone left and right, and then unexpectedly losing, too.
Wrong. BJP/NDA won, it was a simple win, not a outstanding one. Lets appreciate and be comfortable with imperfect results, imperfect leaders despite pathetic voters turnout.
As in somebody recently commented ...."Wonderful gesture by Rahul Gandhi to congratulate Pakistan on their win claiming that, because the USA needed a super over to win despite everyone expecting them to finish the match in 14 overs, it was the USA that lost."
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greatde wrote: 08 Jun 2024 17:18 With hindsight, why did Congress/UPA lose 2019 elections then? After all, 2024 & 2019 was fought on the same lines, 1Lakh wages, freebies, Modi is corrupt, Modi will end reservation. The opposition actually had a better-defined campaign in 2019.

Yet,few takers back in 2019, so what has changed this time around? Is it Covid, demographics, AI tools, voter fatigue?
Two reasons - Balakot and Delhi. BJP had lost multiple assembly elections and crucial bypolls leading upto 2019 general elections. BJP lost in Karnataka, Rajasthan, Chattisgarh and even MP. Yogi Adityanath's seat in Gorakhpur was lost to SaPa and in Karnataka the high-profile Bellary seat was lost to INC. By early 2019 many were expecting Modi to fall short of majority or fail to form the government itself. This also came at a time when the economic growth had taken a beating after the demonitization, so much so that Modi did not mention demonitization even once in his rallies in the 2018 assembly elections or general election campaign.

Everything changed with the Pulwama attack and subsequent IAF response on Balakot. It changed the narrative and made elections about voting for Modi again, your local MP be damned.

There was no uniting cause this time and it made the elections become local once again. If your MP is absent or corrupt or is incompetent then people will punish him unlike in 2014 and 2019 when BJP voters were willing to overlook an MP's performance and voted for Modi.

Congress ran a very good campaign this time around but BJP gave them plenty opportunities to attack. Look at the latest madness with NEET exams, the below 25 demographics is anti-incumbent by nature and add to the repeated question paper leaks or questionable results like the one we witnessed after NEET results this week and you got to wonder if there ever will be a course correction. In UP, 43 lakh aspirants for Police exam were effected when the exam paper was leaked. More then 60 lakh students were impacted when the board exam papers were leaked.No lessons have been learned from the 2021 teachers exam debacle. This is like supplying your enemy with bullets while you slowly remove your bullet-proof jacket.
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OK, amend that to "like the Indian cricket team, brilliant but inconsistent".

When a performance target is set and one doesn't meet it and misses it by a mile (240 instead of 300+) , it is known as failure, except in the politically correct world, where it may be termed as "performance challenged" or underperformance.
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^^^ My comment regarding Cricket was tongue in cheek..
Meanwhile: New Delhi based lawyer Vibhor Anand files petition to disqualify all 99 MPs of Congress.

Vibhor Anand alleged that Congress bribed voters by promising them Rs 1 lakh if voted to power.

"Congress committed an offence under section 123(1) of the Representation of People Act, 1951, which amounts to gross corrupt practices with the sole intention of Bribing Voters."
Link:https://businessworld.in/article/congre ... mps-522453
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A_Gupta wrote: 09 Jun 2024 01:50 OK, amend that to "like the Indian cricket team, brilliant but inconsistent".

When a performance target is set and one doesn't meet it and misses it by a mile (240 instead of 300+) , it is known as failure, except in the politically correct world, where it may be termed as "performance challenged" or underperformance.



IMVHO, Gupta ji, that's a bit unkind ....

you will note that all ALL the 240 seats came from the Hindu votes only, as seen across the length and breadth of the country

Regarding the seats that were lost, the required numbers of Hindus did not turn up to vote in those constituencies, or strong anti incumbency was not recognized or wrong choice of candidates and various chota mota caste sub groups were angry and left unplacated and because of various other reasons, having said that, one is also very sure that deep analysis is being done to understand the reasons of this unfortunate behaviours

In the opposing camp, the jihadis consolidated and voted tactically for the congis and other parties

The main objective was to form the govt and the BJP and Modiji are going to do that today evening at sometime past 6PM

That all objectives of the BJP's election end game were not met is true and that is an undeniable fact but the fact is that the BJP was not efficient at mass messaging and they paid the price for that shortcoming

The govt is being formed but the results of the elections per se were not entirely to the satisfaction of all stake holders

Organizations usually learn from such experiences, as the BJP will undoubtedly do
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We are going around in circles now. Time for us to wrap up our overall feelings and learnings, and move on to the next discussion.

If important new insights/suggestions have come out of this discussion, be sure to summarize and convey it directly to the BJP if you want there to be any effect.

And time for the NDA to move forward with a historic third consecutive term led yet again by Bharat's finest. The sarkar's actions in the first 30-60 days will say a lot about what it thinks needs fixing urgently.
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KL Dubey wrote: 09 Jun 2024 06:24 We are going around in circles now.



sirji,


Rather a smaller loss and a big jolt now, with course corrections implemented well in time, because it would be better than suffering a nasty election result in 2029 where facing political annihilation could be the possible result

If no action is taken soon by the BJP to halt the political violence in bengal and safe guard their party workers, India could well lose bengal to the jihadis with secessionist movements gaining strength in TN, cashmere, KER and parts of the NE and PUN
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SRajesh wrote: 08 Jun 2024 11:50 Syamji and AGuptaji
I was sent a message by a friend that the BJP candidate from Ayodhya openly claimed in an election speech that BJP needs 2/3rd majority to change consititution
Following this INDI claimed that BJP officially have endorsed to changing constitution.
This is what I meant in my earlier post obliquely: potential candidates shouldn't be prone to 'Verbal Diarrhoea" after getting carried away by election heat!
I heard similar from a YouTuber - Ajeet Bharti or Vaibhav Singh or someone.

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In this age of targeted misinformation, I don't know how a political ecosystem can be not-fragile.
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If nothing else, I hope that it gives Pappu sleepless nights.
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chetak wrote: 09 Jun 2024 06:28
sirji,

Rather a smaller loss and a big jolt now, with course corrections implemented well in time, because it would be better than suffering a nasty election result in 2029 where facing political annihilation could be the possible result

If no action is taken soon by the BJP to halt the political violence in bengal and safe guard their party workers, India could well lose bengal to the jihadis with secessionist movements gaining strength in TN, cashmere, KER and parts of the NE and PUN
We have elections due in Maharashtra, Haryana, Delhi, Jharkhand and Jammu/Kashmir.
It will be a big challenge for BJP to win ANY of these states. Preparation has to start today.
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