India-US relations: News and Discussions IV

[Tanaji]

Victoria Nuland has upped the game in Bharat. That slap was not an accident.

Many twitter id's have gone into action.

Its bizzaire : now Vishal Dadlani a failed music director is offering a job to the cisf lady…

[Pratyush]

Vishal Dadhlani, suffers from Modi derangement syndrome. He has had this problem for over 20 years.

What happened to Kangana is his wet dream.

Listen to what Sanjay Raut has said.

More than this stupid action. I am worried about what it has revealed about some of our public personalities.

PS not every thing, that happens in India is a result of actions from abroad. India itself has several interconnected ecosystems that are self destructive and are trying to take every one arround themselves with them. They don't need any outside support for their activities.

[Roop]

The US is playing stupid games. It's going to win stupid prices.

The guilt of India has already been pre determined by the Americans in this case. Evidence is not required.

True, but this pretty much sums up the farce known as the US justice system. After the sham trials and charges against Trump and various people who worked in his administration, many legal / political observers ( e.g. law professors Allan Dershowitz and Jonathan Turley) are now openly stating that the US has reached banana-republic status.

The outcome of this trial is pretty much a foregone conclusion. Gupta will be found guilty on all charges. We can confidently assert that even though we don't know, at this time, what the charges will be.

For that matter, if (hypothetically) people like Edward Snowden or Julian Assange were ever tried in a US court, there would be a 0 (ZERO) percent chance of them ever getting a fair trial, let alone an acquittal.

[Lisa]

Vishal Dadhlani, suffers from Modi derangement syndrome. He has had this problem for over 20 years.

What happened to Kangana is his wet dream.

Listen to what Sanjay Raut has said.

More than this stupid action. I am worried about what it has revealed about some of our public personalities.

PS not every thing, that happens in India is a result of actions from abroad. India itself has several interconnected ecosystems that are self destructive and are trying to take every one arround themselves with them. They don't need any outside support for their activities.

Lets just say that Sonia got slapped, same reaction?

[Pratyush]

I don't quit understand your post. However, I am against physical confrontation/ assault against political personalities.

Primarily because in a democracy it's a market place of ideas. Idea's can only be defeated by a conversation. Physical assault shows that you don't have any confidence in the strength of your own ideas to defeat your opposition.

Rahul Gandhi, is dangerous precisely because, his language and actions are charging his supporters to eliminate Modi.

[Lisa]

I think that you misunderstood me. I am relating to the left ecosystem supporting the offender, in that she is deemed to have been provoked so has the right to react. Would this same ecosystem, lets say support an offender that slapped sonia? Then they will suddenly remember law and order and have an entirely opposite view.

ie, my post is definitely not aimed that you, just the reverse.

[Pratyush]

Fair enough and a good point.

[Rakesh]

The highs and lows of India–US convergence
https://www.orfonline.org/expert-speak/ ... onvergence
06 June 2024

[Amber G.]

2 Key US Delegations set to travel to India in the coming few days:
-US NSA Jake Sullivan for ICET talks with NSA Ajit Doval

-Fmr Speaker Nancy Pelosi to Dharamshala to call on Dalai Lama

[A_Gupta]

https://www.deccanherald.com/india/nikh ... ic-3069193

Nikhil Gupta, suspect in plot to kill Sikh separatist Gurpatwant Singh Pannun, extradited to US from Czech Republic Gupta's US-based lawyer, attorney Jeffrey Chabrowe, had no immediate comment. There was also no immediate comment from Czech authoriti...

Read more at: https://www.deccanherald.com/india/nikh ... ic-3069193

[hgupta]

We need to arrest several white US citizens and charge them with fomenting and inciting communal violence and disturbing the peace. Include a couple CIA agents in the arrests.

[Amber G.]

^^^
Czech police has released visuals of Nikhil Gupta being extradited to the US. (I see NYPD police man)

Meanwhile: It is also being known to US that, several cases are registered against Panun in India & he has been declared a terrorist under UA(P)A and under protection of US and Canada

Also: tried:

[Amber G.]

Meanwhile in New Delhi : US National Security Advisor
Jake Sullivan- India is committed to further strengthen the India-US Comprehensive Global Strategic Partnership for global good

[KL Dubey]

US versus Nikhil Gupta

Here are the legal documents. Unless an order to seal all documents is passed, they will keep getting added at this site as the case progresses:

https://www.courtlistener.com/docket/67 ... s-v-gupta/

The superseding indictment which details the charges and evidence so far: https://storage.courtlistener.com/recap ... 0.9.0.pdf

[Amber G.]

Remember who are these guys (fairy well culprits)
In Nikhil Gupta case, a group of Democratic senators, led by Jeff Merkley write to the US secretary of State Blinken. Urge "strong diplomatic response" & press Indian Govt "to hold those involved criminally accountable"...

[Amber G.]

Meanwhile the NSA's are like this onlee on this recent tweet..
use

Meanwhile from the white house "

"Nothing more to add.." says White House if Pannun issue was discussed during US NSA Jake Sullivan's Delhi visit

And White House on NSA Jake Sullivan's India visit: US & India share unique bond of friendship. Strong partnership between the 2.

[Amber G.]

^^^^ For those marxstis who could not wait for the trial - and ought to become a laughing stock here in USA - this should be noted:

India, US release joint fact sheet after Critical and Emerging Technology initiative talks in Delhi

Key points
1. Significant Funding Commitments: $90 million for Global Challenges Institute focusing on technology.
2. NASA-ISRO Collaboration: Joint NASA-ISRO astronaut mission to International Space Station initiated.
3. Defense Space Technology: ISRO astronauts to receive advanced training at NASA facilities.
4. Telecommunications Advances: Open RAN Roadmap finalized for large-scale deployment in both countries.
5. Biotechnology Collaboration: Track 1.5 Biopharmaceutical Supply Chain Consortium launched for resilience.
6. Semiconductor Partnership: Strategic partnership for semiconductor design and manufacturing established.
7. Critical Minerals Partnership: India’s role in Mineral Security Partnership promoted and expanded.
8. Quantum and AI Cooperation: New quantum science initiatives and expanded AI research collaborations initiated.
9. Defense Industrial Cooperation: Progress on MQ-9B acquisition and co-production initiatives achieved.
10. Innovation Partnerships: Joint research projects and STEM partnerships deepened across strategic sectors

Link: JOINT FACT SHEET: The United States and India Continue to Chart an Ambitious Course for the Initiative on Critical and Emerging Technology
>>Today, U.S. National Security Advisor (APNSA) Jake Sullivan and Indian National Security Advisor (NSA) Ajit Doval chaired the second meeting

(Nothing about Pannu etc...)

[Amber G.]

Let me also post: India read out of US NSA's call on to PM Modi. While NSA briefed on iCET, PM pointed to "convergence of views on regional and global issues of mutual interest".

[Prem Kumar]

We need to arrest several white US citizens and charge them with fomenting and inciting communal violence and disturbing the peace. Include a couple CIA agents in the arrests.

100%. If we have them by the short & curlies, they will suddenly *see* our POV.

Remember the Chinese purge against CIA agents in China? They were hunted down & killed. Does the US fear/respect China less or more after that purge?

[Amber G.]

Meanwhile: In New Delhi

"US and India have got to remain at the forefront of technology in case we need to protect and defend our value systems and it is part of a larger strategic interest", NSA Ajit Doval at iCET Industry Roundtable organized by CII in New Delhi.

And in Dharmshala
Nancy Pelosi is now addressing the Tibetan parliament in the exile:

[Vayutuvan]

I think that is India's way of flipping the bird to Xi.

[Amber G.]

Some good news..
Joe Biden’s new citizenship plan to offer relief to half-a-million immigrants.

The White House announced a plan to offer relief to thousands of immigrants living in the US, allowing spouses of US citizens without legal status to apply for permanent residency and citizenship.
"This change in policy from will end family separation while strengthening our communities and our economy."
(This is good for many Indians, when spouses apply for a Green Card, they can’t be in the U.S., meaning they leave their families, their jobs, and their lives behind, sometimes for three or four years.)

[Vayutuvan]

(This is good for many Indians, when spouses apply for a Green Card, they can’t be in the U.S., meaning they leave their families, their jobs, and their lives behind, sometimes for three or four years.)

How so? I don't think it applies to them. If the spouses are working, they are here on H1B or something like that. They have a legal status.

[A_Gupta]

Mr Gupta, 52, walked into the Manhattan federal courtroom shortly after 12:30 EDT (17:30 BST) on Monday wearing a blue sweater and black Nike sweatpants, holding his hands behind his back.

After waiving the reading of his indictment, Mr Gupta was asked by Judge James Cott to enter his plea. “Not guilty,” his lawyer, Jeff Chabrowe, said on his behalf.

Prosecutors asked that Mr Gupta be held in a detention centre until his trial.

Mr Gupta’s lawyer said they would file a bail application at a later date, meaning Mr Gupta will be detained for now.
His lawyer also complained to the judge during the 20-minute arraignment about the conditions of Mr Gupta's detention. He had not been provided a vegetarian meal since he arrived at a Brooklyn detention facility on Friday, the lawyer said.
“Essentially, my client has not been able to eat,” he said.

He would also need to be allowed to pray, Mr Chabrowe said.

Judge Cott said Mr Chabrowe should speak to him again on Tuesday if those issues had not been resolved.

https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c3ggy5ypj68o

Added: Gupta was detained on consent without prejudice. Bing CoPilot says: "“Detention on consent without prejudice” refers to a legal situation where an individual agrees to be detained or held by authorities without waiving any of their legal rights. The term “without prejudice” means that the individual’s rights are preserved, and they can challenge the detention later without any negative impact on their case. Essentially, it allows for detention without admitting guilt or compromising legal defenses."

[Amber G.]

(This is good for many Indians, when spouses apply for a Green Card, they can’t be in the U.S., meaning they leave their families, their jobs, and their lives behind, sometimes for three or four years.)

How so? I don't think it applies to them. If the spouses are working, they are here on H1B or something like that. They have a legal status.

This applies, i believe, as quoted in the post:

US, allowing spouses of US citizens without legal status to apply for permanent residency and citizenship.

(At present this could take, as story said in some cases, many years and they have to apply for it outside the US)

[hanumadu]

^^^^ For those marxstis who could not wait for the trial - and ought to become a laughing stock here in USA - this should be noted:

India, US release joint fact sheet after Critical and Emerging Technology initiative talks in Delhi

Key points
7. Critical Minerals Partnership: India’s role in Mineral Security Partnership promoted and expanded.

This could evolve into the Russian oil like situation. We buy it from Russia and sell it to the US/West. Minerals could be like that too if the sanctions continue on Russia or Russis refuses to sell to the west.

[Rana]

https://archive.is/XDfbo
India Could Help the U.S. to Tech Victory Over China
A promising partnership with a country that has a massive market and an impressive pool of talent.

Yet Washington sees value in strengthening bilateral cooperation. In a phone interview, Sameer Lalwani, a scholar at the U.S. Institute of Peace, outlined three broad reasons. First, if the U.S. aligns its tech standards with India, it will become harder for Chinese companies to break into the Indian market and the so-called global south more broadly.

Second, the U.S. seeks to harness Indian tech talent. For decades, many of India’s best scientists have made a beeline for the U.S. But several factors make India’s domestic ecosystem worth engaging with as well, including the country's vast pool of engineers, homegrown success in space exploration and digital infrastructure for electronic payments, and a burgeoning tech startup scene.

Third, the U.S. believes that technology collaboration will boost Indian military capabilities and deepen trust necessary for military cooperation in the Indo-Pacific. GE Aerospace and India’s Hindustan Aeronautics are negotiating to co-produce fighter jet engines that will enable India to deter Chinese border incursions. American MQ-9 drones in India’s arsenal could easily mesh with U.S. tracking of Chinese naval vessels in the Indian Ocean. Carnegie’s Mr. Chaudhuri says that using India as a manufacturing base for military equipment could enable the U.S. to export arms more cheaply to parts of Asia and Africa.

[KL Dubey]

(This is good for many Indians, when spouses apply for a Green Card, they can’t be in the U.S., meaning they leave their families, their jobs, and their lives behind, sometimes for three or four years.)

I don't think so. This is basically to allow US citizens to regularize their illegal alien spouses who have been living in the US illegally/undocumented for more than 10 years.

I don't know for sure the details of what that constituency looks like, but I am guessing most will be from Mexico or other latin american countries. I assume this is targeted at attracting more of the Latino vote.

It's not for people waiting to enter the US through a legal route.

[VinodTK]

*******

Nancy Pelosi Meets Dalai Lama | Pelosi Sends Strong Message To China, Talks About Democracy Of Tibet
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wPy0iNypF-A

[vijayk]

https://archive.is/XDfbo
India Could Help the U.S. to Tech Victory Over China
A promising partnership with a country that has a massive market and an impressive pool of talent.

Yet Washington sees value in strengthening bilateral cooperation. In a phone interview, Sameer Lalwani, a scholar at the U.S. Institute of Peace, outlined three broad reasons. First, if the U.S. aligns its tech standards with India, it will become harder for Chinese companies to break into the Indian market and the so-called global south more broadly.

Second, the U.S. seeks to harness Indian tech talent. For decades, many of India’s best scientists have made a beeline for the U.S. But several factors make India’s domestic ecosystem worth engaging with as well, including the country's vast pool of engineers, homegrown success in space exploration and digital infrastructure for electronic payments, and a burgeoning tech startup scene.

Third, the U.S. believes that technology collaboration will boost Indian military capabilities and deepen trust necessary for military cooperation in the Indo-Pacific. GE Aerospace and India’s Hindustan Aeronautics are negotiating to co-produce fighter jet engines that will enable India to deter Chinese border incursions. American MQ-9 drones in India’s arsenal could easily mesh with U.S. tracking of Chinese naval vessels in the Indian Ocean. Carnegie’s Mr. Chaudhuri says that using India as a manufacturing base for military equipment could enable the U.S. to export arms more cheaply to parts of Asia and Africa.

Daranand became BJP ally?

https://archive.is/Semsv
He even called Pappu's plans as Venezula

[disha]

Some good news..
Joe Biden’s new citizenship plan to offer relief to half-a-million immigrants.

The White House announced a plan to offer relief to thousands of immigrants living in the US, allowing spouses of US citizens without legal status to apply for permanent residency and citizenship.
"This change in policy from will end family separation while strengthening our communities and our economy."
(This is good for many Indians, when spouses apply for a Green Card, they can’t be in the U.S., meaning they leave their families, their jobs, and their lives behind, sometimes for three or four years.)

The bolded part above is opinion, not based on facts and utter non-sense.

The facts are:

1. The spouse must be an undocumented/illegal immigrant married to a US citizen for 10 years or more
2. The current rule requires them to go to their country of origin and re-apply. This has been relaxed for undocumented/illegal immigrants married to US citizen for 10 years or more. They do not have to go to their country of origin.

It is estimated that the above change will help @500k illegal immigrants. Mostly from Mexico.

Most Indians applying for GC are on H4B. They are already *legal* immigrants.

Further: There is a one-more-thing. The change also gives the so-called "dreamers", the illegal immigrants who came in as child and graduated from STEM fields from US universities/colleges and have a job offer can get H1B visa without going to their country of origin.

The above "dreamers" are mostly latinos and they will undercut the work visas of other legal immigrants. And this opens the door for more illegal immigration of children (and subsequent sexual exploitation of underage)

Please be not so rosy eyed. Both the above change in rules and the 2012 Obama DACA (a.ka "dreamer") is a cynical ploy to exploit immigration for vote-bank politics.

Imagine Pappu doing something for Bangladeshis. And the canard that it helps Indians is also just that. A canard. Most of the Indians in US entered legally, by working hard. So giving a free pass to illegals is actually discriminating against legal immigrants. Mostly Indians.

[Vayutuvan]

@disha ji, I mentioned the same to @Amber G ji subtly but they didn't get it.

[Pratyush]

According to Shruti Kapila. Sadanand Dhume had worked on BJPs 2014 election campaign.

[A_Gupta]

The US is worried about a terrorist attack.
E.g., https://www.thebulwark.com/p/threat-ter ... fghanistan

As a strategic-level terrorism analyst, I read vast amounts of intelligence from tens of thousands of sources. At United States Central Command, I led teams of analysts who were experts on hundreds of insurgent groups, each with its own ideological nuances, modi operandi, leadership, structures, and style.

With all that experience, my mental warning lights have been blinking red recently: There is increasing reason to believe that there could be a terrorist attack on the United States in the months ahead.

This is an unpleasant subject—no one wants to think about sudden violent acts of death and destruction and the chaos they can unleash.

It is also an inherently uncertain subject—it requires studying the conditions for an attack and making judgments based on incomplete information.

Also see:
https://www.cbsnews.com/video/former-ci ... ck-threat/

[Amber G.]

(xposting some sad news):
Arvind graduated from IIT Kanpur just couple of years after I did..

The dedicated teacher and academic leader transformed research in computer architectures, parallel computing, and digital design, enabling faster and more efficient computation.
RIP
Arvind, longtime MIT professor and prolific computer scientist, dies at 77

[Amber G.]

If someone thinks that US Congressional delegation just winged its way to Dharamshala without Delhi being in the loop...

(And all those US senators which were writing to the state department and White House to bring Nijjar case their high priority..)

From Indian PM:

Had a very good exchange of views with friends from the US Congress in a delegation led by
@RepMcCaul, Chairman of @HouseForeignGOP
. Deeply value the strong bipartisan support in advancing India- US Comprehensive Global Strategic Partnership.

[KL Dubey]

And here is the promise from Trump: https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/bus ... 155818.cms

This would be obviously "very good" for Indians seeking permanent residence through professional/employment route....or maybe not (see below).

I doubt his capability to deliver. This will require legislation since the state department still controls the "quotas". This problem has remained unsolved despite years of various bills trying to break the "quota" system.

Or maybe this is a typical Trump promise that doesn't really accomplish anything: he may make it simpler to clear the first hurdle through homeland security/USCIS (i.e., I-140 approved and join the PR queue). But it will not make any difference since the second hurdle will take years or decades. It may even make the wait longer since more people will be joining the state department queue due to faster USCIS processing. That would actually be good for Bharat, since people will be coming back to join the workforce.

IMO this is targeted at getting donations from Indians and some swing votes. With the poll predictions showing very tight margins between Bhaidanwa and Trump, Indians can become a key vote in the 6-7 swing states. E.g. in GA, if the contest becomes tight then Indians will be a swing voting group. Indians are already a key swing vote in many of the north Atlanta districts and we have successfully got Republican candidates elected for the state legislature.

[Amber G.]

Okay. Here is a announcement:

At 4:51 PM EDT June 20, 2024 (India time 2:21 AM on June 21 , Earth's northern hemisphere will be tilted the most toward the sun all year, marking the Summer Solstice - the official start of astronomical Summer! The longest day of the year, and it is the earliest since 1796!

Physics question:

The question is why is "earliest since 1796 ?

Edit: Sorry wrong dhaga .. leaving the original post here but please answer in physics dhaga..

[Manish_P]

...

Physics question:

The question is why is "earliest since 1796 ?

Physics and Maths ?

Calendar resetting over centuries required due to the leap year adjustments...

[tandav]

Okay. Here is a announcement:

At 4:51 PM EDT June 20, 2024 (India time 2:21 AM on June 21 , Earth's northern hemisphere will be tilted the most toward the sun all year, marking the Summer Solstice - the official start of astronomical Summer! The longest day of the year, and it is the earliest since 1796!

Physics question:

The question is why is "earliest since 1796 ?

Perhaps due to the position of the moon ? The earth moves about 5000 km away from the barycenter so this time the barycenter is closer to sun by 5000km exactly during Solstice. Moon being on the far side of earth