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greatde wrote: 10 Jun 2024 12:44
chetak wrote: 10 Jun 2024 11:51

All that the BJP needs to do is get back to its roots and to re establish the connect it seems to have lost with its core grass roots savvy supporters

Reduce imports, especially the shady guys from other parties and look much more to its own people for organic growth but this approach by itself can be divisive if not handled with fairness, transparency and sensitivity.

Do not encourage the formation of local cliques that may lead to one or more groups cornering the "fruits" of such organic growth
That's reactively, yet not the solution. Didn't Modi/BJP make 3 grassroots workers as CM for 3 states recently? There is enough reward, and yet, many are critical of them today. So make your mind on what is needed?

And RSS had some 50000 small meetings for Delhi LS and they helped well, so what makes you think they were avoided in UP? And finally, many big organizations, the top & lower levels are motivated, passionate, yet the mid-level are rhetoric, VIP culture, and tedious. That's possibly true for both BJP & RSS. Like Rajiv Malhotra has spoken many times how he is more disappointed by our own people, than the other side who are way more professional.

greatde ji,


The choice of one of those CMs caused a great deal of unrest in terms of caste equations and in other places some insensitive speeches and acts of commission and omission by "dignitaries" caused deep dismay and disappointment that led to cognitive dissonance that was reflected in departure from the usual voting patterns. The removal of another CM, virtually on the eve of the elections caused another upheaval.

And under these circumstances, the voters were hit by a media barrage of fake news, deep fake videos which only a infinitesimally few voters were even aware of and even fewer could tell the difference, diversionary toolkits and outright lies, without any help (from guys like the RSS) to help them decode and digest the intent of the propaganda

The top down imposition of radical decisions is not always the best way to ensure social equality or even project culturally progressive views

Many parts of the country are not yet ready for such changes because they have not been properly educated or ideologically co-opted, or even socially detoxified to convince and motivate them to see things in a broader and more inclusive nationalistic perspective. When such changes are made, they must be accompanied by tangible benefits or no one will adopt the newer ways

India, for the largest part is, still mired in caste and and sub regional imperatives that often drive local initiatives and political aspirations. These are complex equations that can only be solved by consulting the stakeholders and arriving at a happy or more practically speaking, a neutral point of political equilibrium that is perceived as not/least hurtful to any/all of the stakeholders

I do not recommend pandering to such ambitions or inclinations but do not radically depart from local/state wide legitimate expectations without understanding them and their interplay with other formations that have also traditionally supported you. Hence it's often best to find a zone of consensus

The guys at the top often forget that the core narrative of Sabka Saath Sabka Vikas always starts at home.

Why have they forgotten the first principle of politics, which is implemented the world over, is do 80% of the "Sabka Saath Sabka Vikas" for your own support base and the remaining 20% for the "others".

All the non dharmics follow this dictum assiduously. So, why have the foolish dharmics made a fetish of doing just the opposite and more importantly, to what end.... have the rolling decades since 1947 taught us nothing....

With the current dispensation, the ratios are senselessly reversed leading to "enemy consolidation" that is free of consequences because they are very sure that their outrageous benefits will continue without interruption, no matter what, especially when the BJP is in power.

Insanity is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results, and the dharmics haven't learnt this simplest of lessons in the 1200 odd years, since when they were first confronted with the problem

Who are they afraid of and why. Are some buggerall WASP countries' opinions going to make such a difference to your world view and force you to ill-advisedly weaken your own culture

The non dharmics will always use your dharmic ways of sickularism (meaning rights of conversion), equality, inclusivity, abject tolerance, and FOS, to dharmically bugger you, just like the jihadis have been using the "freedoms" ensured in the Indian constitution to bugger the majority since 1947 and the majority have also been actively prevented from defending themselves or their culture by woke hizzonners, ill begotten colonial puppets, commie clowns, and the rabid "ghazwa e hind" jihadis

when the opposition was consolidating, why were some people still experimenting with candidate selection and undertaking risky trials with turncoat candidates who had joined the BJP at the very fag end just before the electioneering campaign push started in earnest, instead of securely stabilizing and husbanding their own resource bases
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The BJP Parliamentary Board meeting was like funeral .. They knew that they blew one big opportunity.
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chetak wrote: 10 Jun 2024 14:14 The non dharmics will always use your dharmic ways of sickularism (meaning rights of conversion), equality, inclusivity, abject tolerance, and FOS, to dharmically bugger you, just like the jihadis have been using the "freedoms" ensured in the Indian constitution to bugger the majority since 1947 and the majority have also been actively prevented from defending themselves or their culture by woke hizzonners, ill begotten colonial puppets, commie clowns, and the rabid "ghazwa e hind" jihadis

when the opposition was consolidating, why were some people still experimenting with candidate selection and undertaking risky trials with turncoat candidates who had joined the BJP at the very fag end just before the electioneering campaign push started in earnest, instead of securely stabilizing and husbanding their own resource bases
Dhindus and particularly UC dhindus have a stake in the existing system where they are in cahoots with adharmics. They do not want to rock the boat. You will see several sickulars around you, because none of them faced the brunt of adharmics. It was only distant. Some 1000s of kms removed and happening to a different class or caste of people.

Hence to accuse government, where the system is of such Dhindus is plain wrong. A temple was constructed after 500 years. An adharmic will give their vote for a lifetime. Border security and infrastructure is coming up rapidly. Economy is doing great. But the parochial, short-sighted dhindus will not go out and vote.

Several states like Orissa, Jharkhand, Chattishgarh are not as advanced as UP. They also have severe problems. But they did go out and vote. In Raj and parts of UP, there were several Rajputs trotting around like they won the war of panipat. In Mah, the so-called Marathas were trotting around like they won the war of panipat. In actuality, they let their own short-sightedness and parochialism and casteism win. The rest of GOI did not do this or do that are CYA statements.

One can understand "risky trials with turncoat candidates", but was there a change in candidate in Ayodhya, Amethi or Varanasi? What happened there? In Raj, what was the role of Raje? Wasn't she a turncoat element who needed to be cut down to size? What about Pilibhit? One had to get rid of the other Gandhis at some point? And in Sultanpur, last time Maneka Gandhi won by a narrow margin. What did she do in Sultanpur?

Also the phrase "risky trials with turncoat candidates" give credence to my theory that the elections in UP & Raj was sabotaged.
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This guy tells you why the Modi 3.0 govt is here to stay.

The reasoning is short, sweet, and logical and very few could have explained it better



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qboucd8l-lI


Ab Uttar Chahiye: मोदी 3.0 का तेवर, पहले ही दिन दिखाया ट्रेलर!





This video is 11:41 minutes long
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Indians have a tendency to pull an individual down if he is seen soaring too high. That sentiment means you have plenty of candidates to pull the plug from the inside. Petty differences become reasons for betrayal.

Then plenty of corruption and competition within UCs too. I know of a Gujarati PWD contractor who absolutely hates NaMo because his chance at corruption reduces his ability to put forth his mediocre bids.

My worry is while NaMo is trying to advance foreign policy and economic goals for the long term he has no one to define and execute the boring and detailed internal agenda. Also after delivery of 370 and temple the local workers are complacent and unsure of what next to fight for. The 7 sins define an ordinary person - and without the Sanatana education system, the leftist ecosystem focused on providing the 7 sins wins.

2047 is vacuous goal that they can’t decipher or feel connected to. At local level corruption and service delivery has marginally improved or not at all so they feel this suit boot ideas have nothing for them when all they want is a govt job specially if the govt says economy is doing well. The path to entrepreneurship is too slow for jobs creation and the layoffs have shown the risks as well.

Namo and team may be self driven and motivated and they know all the secrets and roadmaps but what will inspire the common folks who now have to walk the long winding path to heaven that may be 2047. We don’t have the crazy idealist and revolutionaries pre-1947 that will blindly follow faith and trust the leadership. Even in corporate change management we need tangible if small achievements and incentives to keep us on the path.
This vision of 2047 is a massive change management exercise and needs to be treated as such by creating coalitions of parties, leaders, local workers and intellectuals and dare I say a media propaganda blitz.

Otherwise we don’t trust the leadership and fall back on the divisive agenda hoping to secure some scraps for our community and ourselves while denying the same to the other just in case this great vision of the leader fails
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Expanding and formalizing means more govt jobs in any part of the world. Significantly more govt jobs and private jobs as well. Even municipal level modernization would lead to significant govt jobs - look at massa municipalities - full planning dept with civil engineers etc. So the expectation of the people is not misplaced. Politicos just need time and show vision to execute on it.
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vijayk wrote: 10 Jun 2024 21:07 The BJP Parliamentary Board meeting was like funeral .. They knew that they blew one big opportunity.
Several senior and elite "BJP" karyakartas thought they will give Modi and Shah a haircut. Puncture his goal of 400+ and give them a haircut, instead they cut their own (think Khatna).

No doubt they realize what an opportunity was wasted. Since right on the swearing in, Manipur started burning again. The terrorists started killing innocent Hindus.

I am a strong believer of Karma. And I do believe that Karma will come fast. What the dhindu voters have done is *not* pardonable. At this point, anybody and everyone who conspired against Modi with malice will suffer. I just hope to see them suffer in my lifetime.
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Madhukar'ji and Raman'ji, well put perspectives.
S_Madhukar wrote: 10 Jun 2024 23:58 Indians have a tendency to pull an individual down if he is seen soaring too high. That sentiment means you have plenty of candidates to pull the plug from the inside. Petty differences become reasons for betrayal.

Then plenty of corruption and competition within UCs too. I know of a Gujarati PWD contractor who absolutely hates NaMo because his chance at corruption reduces his ability to put forth his mediocre bids.
Several times I got hint of that and I decided to ignore it. In retrospect, the above need to pull down if one of them is soaring too high (dhimmitude) won the day. Of course nicely greased by class, caste, corruption, entitlement, parochialism etc.

In India, people do not understand. The amount of corruption in West (and in US) is immense. Within US, we have Hunter Biden tax deal, Gavin Newsom's Paneragate, and the california insurance crisis to name in recent memory. The funniest thing about california insurance crisis? Even the fire station itself could not get fire insurance :rotfl:

Modi plugged all holes to big corruption. Do voters want to go back to the scamgress years? And local corruption will not go away soon, since people themselves are corrupt. Let's accept that.

Modi provided a vision for 2047. Should not the voters trust him? As opposed to voting for a goonda party (in UP) or a scam party (in Raj, Mah). That too in national elections.

In previous pages, I did point out that there is the exploitative, exclusion class that swayed the elections in UP, Raj, Punjab,TN, Bengal and Mah. There is an inclusive class, but they are not there yet.
The path to entrepreneurship is too slow for jobs creation and the layoffs have shown the risks as well.
This can be easily addressed. I have put some thoughts in previous pages. Basically an "insurance and retirement" scheme.
This vision of 2047 is a massive change management exercise and needs to be treated as such by creating coalitions of parties, leaders, local workers and intellectuals and dare I say a media propaganda blitz.

Otherwise we don’t trust the leadership and fall back on the divisive agenda hoping to secure some scraps for our community and ourselves while denying the same to the other just in case this great vision of the leader fails
I do agree that Modi's 2047 agenda came a little late and was fuzzy to the common person. Here BJP failed to game the dotty alliance. CONgoons and Sapa goondas were known to bring in revdi plank. They did not have effective counter to such revdi politics.

Modi might have given the diktat that he will not allow for revdism. But the BJP as a party failed to bring up Samman or Suraksha or some scheme that will boost economic opportunities and financial securities for all. Particularly in TN, Mah and UP.
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V_Raman wrote: 11 Jun 2024 00:03 Expanding and formalizing means more govt jobs in any part of the world. Significantly more govt jobs and private jobs as well. Even municipal level modernization would lead to significant govt jobs - look at massa municipalities - full planning dept with civil engineers etc. So the expectation of the people is not misplaced. Politicos just need time and show vision to execute on it.
In India, municipalities do not even have a planning department. This harkens back to an era (90s and 2000s only) where even a foot bridge across the road needed approval from state capital or a bridge needed approval from prime minister's cabinet! Like raising the height of narmada dam and installing the gates. Or approval if Aarey milk shed can be used for metro shed or not.

The system was gutted down so much by the britishers and then by the CONgoons, that several decades of such cannot be brought forward in 10 short years.

Put it this way, only after Modi came, Indian bonds are going to be included into global indexes. With this change, billions of dollars will be flowing into India. Of course, this big change will take time to go down to grassroots. Who will explain this to the people who get easily swayed with revdis?
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India cannot become a 5T economy which is poised for accelerated growth without devolving responsibilities to the municipalities and expanding the govt. Current model might take us to 5T economy - but it may not be scale beyond that without the right decentralized setup.

If that means opposition might come to power due to revdi politics - people deserve what they vote for I guess.

If NaMo reign moves India from "2 Steps forward, 3 steps back" to "2 steps forward, 1 step back" - durable forward progress state of affairs - that is a great achievement!
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For the next five years the NDA should pulverise rahul gandhi and the congi party on a daily basis with their non delivery on the Rs 8,500/= per month khatakhat promise when poor burqa clad women who have been cheated by the congis, are lining up in front of the congi offices demanding the fulfillment of the publicly proclaimed rahul's guarantee of the promised monthly khatakhat payment

This is a direct fallout after the general elections as some congi MLAs in KAR state are now publicly demanding the stoppage all the 5 guarantees promised by rahul after they won the state elections ....

rahul's khatakhat model is actually sinking the state of KAR itself



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j5kEqAzdKn8


Congress Suffers Defeat In LS Polls Despite Tall Promises; 'Khata-Khat Model' Backfires?





The video is about 11:52 minutes long


Despite all efforts, I.N.D.I.A bloc-led by the Congress party could not succeed in forming government at the Centre.

I.N.D.I.A bloc won 234 seats out of 543. Meanwhile, hundreds of women lined up outside the Congress party for Rs 8,500 per month which Rahul Gandhi had promised to give them after forming the government.

The question here arises is - Whether 'Khata-Khat Model' Backfired?
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chetak wrote: 10 Jun 2024 23:46
This guy tells you why the Modi 3.0 govt is here to stay.

The reasoning is short, sweet, and logical and very few could have explained it better



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qboucd8l-lI


Ab Uttar Chahiye: मोदी 3.0 का तेवर, पहले ही दिन दिखाया ट्रेलर!





This video is 11:41 minutes long
This is one of the best 'debate' shows around. AA is always succinct and hits hard. No nonsense on his show, rarely if ever is there any shouting. His memory for facts rivals that of Sudhanshu Trivedi and he is 100% committed to the Sanatan cause while being 100% fair in his show - a remarkable feat in itself. Even emotional at times, but cutting edge sarcasm. I simply love this guy.
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More legal fodder provided with this statement.

Hostile opposition skips inauguration
West Bengal CM Mamata Banerjee had said, “This government is being formed undemocratically and unconstitutionally.”
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vera_k wrote: 11 Jun 2024 03:31 More legal fodder provided with this statement.

Hostile opposition skips inauguration
West Bengal CM Mamata Banerjee had said, “This government is being formed undemocratically and unconstitutionally.”
Time to institute president’s rule in Bengal and charge Mamata the murder and conspiracy to murder.
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V_Raman wrote: 11 Jun 2024 01:09 India cannot become a 5T economy which is poised for accelerated growth without devolving responsibilities to the municipalities and expanding the govt. Current model might take us to 5T economy - but it may not be scale beyond that without the right decentralized setup.
Vehemently agree V_Raman'ji. Devolution has to occur. But people also need to grow up. Local leaders also need to grow up. Solution to this is for more people to enter into politics. Becoming a mayor of town or city or becoming a 4-term council member should be a goal of a high schooler. Not just ingineer or daaktar.

Here babooze need to be toned down as well. They need to learn to respect the elected people. The district magistrate (DM) and the District Collector (DC) have more power than the local MLA.

I am critical of the HRD minister (under whom the Edu Ministry comes in). This was a single signal failure of Modi-I, Modi-2 had stalwarts like Prakash Javadevkar and Ramesh Pokriyal and lets see how Modi-3 fares here.

My point is, in elementary school and middle school itself, kids need to be thought self government. There should be elementary school kids council. Then middle school and high school. In high school, they should also publish policy papers for their local ward or even town.

They need to see government challenges. And learn how to provide solutions as well.
If that means opposition might come to power due to revdi politics - people deserve what they vote for I guess.
True that. Indian voters would have got their Jannat and we have to kiss the India growth story goodbye.
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A_Gupta wrote: 10 Jun 2024 10:21 https://www.youtube.com/live/gCmSGxboj1 ... RMd9gQxfxz
Live: PM Modi ने बता दिया Ayodhya में हार का कारण
What time mark? TIA
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Apologies, that link is not very good - the video is on an endless loop and the title is somewhat click-baitfish
Same speech, this is better:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jfxxSoy3uEU

Around minutes 44 or there about Modi talks about how the Opposition misled the people.
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Chinese Prime Minister Li Qiang extended congratulations to Indian PM Narendra Modi
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vijayk wrote: 11 Jun 2024 22:51
At a high level, BJP gaines vote share, where Hindutva was the leading agenda. Hindus can unite behind this, and with careful management keep a Dharmic leaning party in power
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ernest wrote: 11 Jun 2024 23:39
At a high level, BJP gaines vote share, where Hindutva was the leading agenda. Hindus can unite behind this, and with careful management keep a Dharmic leaning party in power
BJP needs to 'bury the hatchet' with RSS. This was one of the most bizarre news to have come out from this election. Why create conflicts in the family when there is no need for it?
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> Why create conflicts in the family when there is no need for it?

Because life really is a Star Plus serial?
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Jay wrote: 12 Jun 2024 00:40
ernest wrote: 11 Jun 2024 23:39
At a high level, BJP gaines vote share, where Hindutva was the leading agenda. Hindus can unite behind this, and with careful management keep a Dharmic leaning party in power
BJP needs to 'bury the hatchet' with RSS. This was one of the most bizarre news to have come out from this election. Why create conflicts in the family when there is no need for it?
Is that real or fake news?
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vijayk wrote: 12 Jun 2024 01:40

Is that real or fake news?
I thought it was election fakery until Naddas comment and the latest interview from Bhagwan seems to hint that not everything is rosy.
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A_Gupta wrote: 11 Jun 2024 07:22
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jfxxSoy3uEU

Around minutes 44 or there about Modi talks about how the Opposition misled the people.
Thanks.
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rajkumar wrote: 10 Jun 2024 13:58
Roop wrote: 10 Jun 2024 12:23 I'm still a little unclear about the exact final numbers: is it 240 (BJP) and 303 (NDA) ?
Yes. ... The 303 comes from 10 single MP parties who have sent in letters of support for NDA to the President of India.
Thanks for your response. So those 10 parties who sent in their letters are not formally part of the NDA coalition, they just decided to support them?
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vijayk wrote: 12 Jun 2024 01:40 Is that real or fake news?
Based on Mohan Bhagwat's speech alone, it is fake news. One has to interpret the speech in the light of the current political context to find some "real" news. But the speech itself is about eternal values (and the burden of history we bear because of deviating from those values, and what we must as tapasya to remedy the situation).

If you follow Hindi, I strongly recommend listening to the full speech.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ns6bLb3aZb8
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vijayk wrote: 11 Jun 2024 22:51 Image
I think this sums up the BJP performance beautifully.

MP & Ct'garh is the result we were ideally expecting. Pro incumbency even after crossing 50% vote share last time. What went right here and
not in the other core BJP states ?

HP, UT, Haryana, Rajasthan - Alarming drop in vote share, though there was no major impact of Muslim consolidation, or people falling for Cong promises, or SC's thinking reservation will go.
Mah and Bihar the drop per seat is close to 10%, it looks lower, as BJP contested more seats.

UP we have discussed. What role did poor candidate selection play ? I think 6 imported candidates lost close fights.

BJP has done well where people wanted change from the incumbent (Andhra, Telengana) and thanks to TDP in Andhra. BJP could not
take advantage of possible anti incumbency in WB.

Punjab and TN, vote share is up, but not enough to win any seat.
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Roop wrote: 12 Jun 2024 06:40
rajkumar wrote: 10 Jun 2024 13:58

Yes. ... The 303 comes from 10 single MP parties who have sent in letters of support for NDA to the President of India.
Thanks for your response. So those 10 parties who sent in their letters are not formally part of the NDA coalition, they just decided to support them?
I think this includes some independents too. It seems that the independent khalistani terrorist Amrit Pal Singh and Sarabjeet Singh Khalsa, son of one of the assasins of Indira Gandhi, Beant Singh sent their letter of support according to one of the earliest youtube videos that was claiming NDA had support of 303. Take it for it is worth.
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Deans wrote: 12 Jun 2024 09:51
I think this sums up the BJP performance beautifully.

MP & Ct'garh is the result we were ideally expecting. Pro incumbency even after crossing 50% vote share last time. What went right here and
not in the other core BJP states ?

HP, UT, Haryana, Rajasthan - Alarming drop in vote share, though there was no major impact of Muslim consolidation, or people falling for Cong promises, or SC's thinking reservation will go.
Mah and Bihar the drop per seat is close to 10%, it looks lower, as BJP contested more seats.

UP we have discussed. What role did poor candidate selection play ? I think 6 imported candidates lost close fights.

BJP has done well where people wanted change from the incumbent (Andhra, Telengana) and thanks to TDP in Andhra. BJP could not take advantage of possible anti incumbency in WB.

Punjab and TN, vote share is up, but not enough to win any seat.


Deans ji,


In bengal, there is no trust in the BJP, neither among the electorate nor among the cadres. There is massive infighting within the BJP and the recent sexual harassment allegation against BJP IT cell head by an allegedly "senior" RSS karyakartha is a case in point. This has never happened in the history of the RSS

If you cannot protect your cadres from getting murdered or the electorate from getting intimidated by commie mumtaz bano goons, you deserve what you got. There was and still is massive infighting among the local leadership. This led to internal sabotage by opposing groups because candidates sponsored by one group did not sit well with other groups and the result was the disaster that has unfolded

In punjab, there was physical violence against the campaigning BJP karyakarthas who were either stopped, or chased out by local goons

In TN there was the play of enormous money power, the collective desire to stop Annamalai, no matter the cost

In UP, the SP distributed mobile phones en mass and now we know the reason why

The disconnect in the BJP/Sangh ecosystem ensured that this factor was either ignored or was not picked up

It is exactly like the dravidiya parties "distributing" free TVs when they owned the cable TV networks in toto and also controlled 99% of the electronic media

The clear lack of leadership from the lowest to the highest levels of the nationalistic ecosystem is the only major factor that emerges to the explain the lack of electoral dominance that resulted in a weakened government, a dominance that was within such easy reach if only all had played ball and all echelons of the leadership had performed as expected, to tackle the infighting, instead of solely depending on just one man to perform the miracle, which, BTW, he actually did by getting 240+ odd seats on his own

Such a massive and unexpected failure to garner seats, low hanging fruit as it were, especially when the performance of the BJP was better than good, points to systemic, as well as, organizational shortcomings in the operational domain. How were the obvious signs missed, and that too, by so many...

The BJP has such excellent, tried and tested feedback mechanisms in place ..... what gives ... or was it an internal attempt to sabotage Modiji himself

The circumstances, even as they continue to unfold, with more chilling details spilling out as time goes by, is indicative of some widespread organizational malaise that needs to be looked into ASAP before it destroys the hard work of decades by loyal karyakarthas.

And, last but not least, just shut down the effi9ng filthy IMPORTS. The mess in MAH should have warned them way ahead of the elections, as to the pitfalls of accommodating traitorous and self serving allies, out to save their own butts.

The minority consolidation was the double whammy.

my two paise onlee
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^^ On the positive side, just look at how all Hindus of Andhra have united for NDA. After Bihar, Andhra was considered as the most caste-fractured state in the country, but at least all Hindus seem to have come together against Jagan.

Doing rounds on social media (can't vouch but the seats won reflect the voting percentages):
>70% of all OCs (including Jagan's own Reddy community), BCs, Madigas (sub-sect of SCs, mostly hindus) apparently voted for NDA. Jagan only ended up having the support of the remainder + M&C.
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https://time.com/5936036/secret-2020-election-campaign/

I think they did this in India too.

Amethi and up were micro managed thru disinformation, caste based voting encouragement. BJP was sleeping
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https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1800 ... e_vignette
mporting non ideology leaders from Congress - how can someone justify ticket to Kripashankar Singh who published book 26/11 RSS ki Sazish or people like Ajit Panwar, Naresh Agarwal. :twisted:
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vijayk wrote: 12 Jun 2024 20:42 https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1800 ... e_vignette
mporting non ideology leaders from Congress - how can someone justify ticket to Kripashankar Singh who published book 26/11 RSS ki Sazish or people like Ajit Panwar, Naresh Agarwal. :twisted:
This is proof that RSS and BJP are independent of each other and RSS does not campaign for BJP in any way. RSS is a cultural organisation and BJP is a political organization. In fact, they are at loggerheads with each other.
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Unparalleled Insights @Antardrshti

Surprised to see Maratha votes Almost 50% to NDA and less than 40% for INDIA.

This again proves that Maratha anger was not an issue

Lower BJP voters turnout and SC consolidation towards INDIA.

Muslim consolidation anyways happens every single time so not unique for 2024


SHaiLLEY (he/his highness)
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The key has been shift of significant SC vote- more than 50% in UP. Just a couple speeches from motormouth can swing an election. I remember Romney one remark swinging it for Obama in us. Parties need to train and discipline their candidates
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All those imported folks who were given tickets lost the elections. That means their political career is over. They can't go back to their old party whatever it was before joining BJP. In BJP also, their career is finito. They are good for mining dirt on their old parties and use taht information at the appropriate time between now and 2028. Even before 2029 elections are announced, INDI Axis would be history.
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hanumadu wrote: 12 Jun 2024 20:57
This is proof that RSS and BJP are independent of each other and RSS does not campaign for BJP in any way. RSS is a cultural organisation and BJP is a political organization. In fact, they are at loggerheads with each other.


hanumadu ji,

Modiji, BJP, RSS

each is ineffective without the active and supportive cooperation of the other two

No lone ranger here
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chetak wrote: 13 Jun 2024 02:35

Modiji, BJP, RSS

each is ineffective without the active and supportive cooperation of the other two

No lone ranger here
Right on point, Chetak ji.
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chetak wrote: 13 Jun 2024 02:35
hanumadu wrote: 12 Jun 2024 20:57

This is proof that RSS and BJP are independent of each other and RSS does not campaign for BJP in any way. RSS is a cultural organisation and BJP is a political organization. In fact, they are at loggerheads with each other.


hanumadu ji,

Modiji, BJP, RSS

each is ineffective without the active and supportive cooperation of the other two

No lone ranger here
It's a rhetoric point to counter claims of BJP being powered by RSS Hindutva ideology or RSS is the reason BJP wins or target RSS to target BJP.
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