Social Problems in Punjab and their Strategic Impact

[Tanaji]

His comments are mainly about attitude of SGPC and Golden Temple itself.

[sanjaykumar]

https://x.com/AsYouNotWish/status/1807073742180483452

[Tanaji]

https://x.com/AsYouNotWish/status/1807073742180483452

Naturally not a peep from SGPC or our Canadian herrows and defenders of Sikh faith.

I couldnt even watch the whole video.

[sanjaykumar]

I have seen that reaction from a number of...Hindus.

I had no problem viewing it. I am a free speech absolutist. (I have problems viewing footage of violence , whether from Ukraine or Pakistan).

Perhaps for the first time, I have understood that those gurus were Hindus, the true Sikh guru was the eleventh.

The game is in play, let's see if the Sikh balls are out.

[Pratyush]

I fully expect the following response," this unverified footage is a conspiracy by RSS, to damage the brotherhood between Muslims and Sikhs".

[sanjaykumar]

Off course and our fine friends will accept it.

Keep your sympathies in reserve. As the Gita says, detachment is the key (hehehe).

[tandav]

https://theprint.in/politics/dreaming-o ... r/2164492/

And so it begins. While he was elected ostensibly on an anti drug social reform platform without reference to his Khalistani ambitions which is in directly in contravention of his oath in parliament to uphold integrity and Sovereignty of India. Now he has openly mentioned his intention to establish Khalistan which as per the Indian laws is illegal (though Amritpal may not think so).

Sikh leaders are flocking to meet him to prepare for SPGC polls. Should the Khalistani faction win we may again see the militarization of the Golden Temple complex.
https://www.tribuneindia.com/news/amrit ... ace-638497

Other Khalistanis are arising from the woodwork
https://indianexpress.com/article/citie ... t-9442702/

I am unsure on why so much discontent when Indian state and Modi himself has delivered so much to the Sikh community. Stuff such as the Khatarpur corridor, Asylum to Sikhs from Afghanistan etc. Not to mention India and Punjab has prospered so much in peace since the violent times in 1980s.

The latent demand for Khalistan is beginning to coalesce around Amritpal Singh and Sarabjit Singh (son of Assassin of Indira Gandhi). The potential for some radical Sikh elements even within India's security apparatus assasinating national leaders is non zero as demonstrated by Kangana slapping incident.

[sanjaykumar]

It’s all bakwas. Until:

Sikhs return to west panjab, thanking Hindus for their hospitality since 1947.

Sikhs boycott Hindu jobs, Hindu educational institutions, Hindu states and cities and Hindu water, Hindu demand for grain.

That will certainly demonstrate the level of earnestness and Hindus may well be convinced.

I am becoming more convinced myself of the merit of Khalistan. India might well be better off without Sikhs. And they can settle the finer points of Sikh dogma amongst themselves with swords, daggers, AK 47 or whatever is halal.

The only question is of the geographical limits of such an entity.

I suspect hindus might take some umbrage at the suggestion of ethnic cleansing of hindus. The last attempt in Panjab in the 1980s did not end that well. I would rather not see a repeat.

[srin]

It’s all bakwas. Until:

Sikhs return to west panjab, thanking Hindus for their hospitality since 1947.

Sikhs boycott Hindu jobs, Hindu educational institutions, Hindu states and cities and Hindu water, Hindu demand for grain.

That will certainly demonstrate the level of earnestness and Hindus may well be convinced.

I am becoming more convinced myself of the merit of Khalistan. India might well be better off without Sikhs. And they can settle the finer points of Sikh dogma amongst themselves with swords, daggers, AK 47 or whatever is halal.

The only question is of the geographical limits of such an entity.

I suspect hindus might take some umbrage at the suggestion of ethnic cleansing of hindus. The last attempt in Panjab in the 1980s did not end that well. I would rather not see a repeat.

I'm very clear on the geographical limits - it should be carved out of Canada

[sanjaykumar]

Perhaps. But to commence the conversation, Panjab needs to be divided along religious lines.

All practical options need to be considered. A soft partition may be a good place to start.

[sanjaykumar]

Canada does recognise secession by plebiscite. Sikhs are fully aware of this. I fully expect them to pursue this once their numbers through fecundity and immigration are at a critical point.

That will not mitigate India’s position. It will be not one or the other. It will be both.

[vera_k]

How about other Crown territories like NZ, Australia or the UK itself? All of it will be on the table and easier than revisiting Pakistan.

[sanman]

Canada does recognise secession by plebiscite.

Canada only pays lip-service to recognizing secession by plebiscite/referendum.

In reality, the last referendum on separation saw the ruling govt in Ottawa managing a secret slush fund to tilt the referendum against separatists.

In reality, the Canadian govt erected an immigration policy intended to bring in lots of foreigners to dilute the existing population and thus dilute any separatist vote. (In reality, Big Brother Unkil Sam probably secretly helped them come up with such strategies, because Unkil didn't suddenly want radical new changes on its border that could make it more vulnerable to Soviet meddling)

In reality, the separatist leader Lucien Bouchard mysteriously contracted a deadly case of flesh-eating bacteria, which left him badly crippled after nearly killing him. I don't believe in such convenient coincidences, and I suspect that CIA or somebody may have had a hand in this. Such a method of assassination would offer much more plausible deniability than gang-war pretext.

Sikhs are fully aware of this. I fully expect them to pursue this once their numbers through fecundity and immigration are at a critical point.

That will not mitigate India’s position. It will be not one or the other. It will be both.

What happens is that whites move out of the neighborhoods that the immigrants take over. First whites moved out of the inner cities, which were taken over by minorities, while whites moved out to suburbs. Then later when minorities began showing up in large numbers in suburbs, whites moved out to suburbs that were farther out. Now that minorities are showing up there, whites have moved back to the inner cities.

[VKumar]

This is happening in Mumbai. Minorities are peacefully taking over.

[sanjaykumar]

I understand the propah Englishman lives not in London but in Kent.

[sanjaykumar]

To tell the truth secessionist movements are a bigger problem in Canada than in India. And yes, it had not been for the ethnic vote, Quebec would be a sovereign country today. Hence the imperative to ethnically cleanse panjab of Hindus.

It’s just québécois or aboriginals or Métis or Inuit do not go around pulling other Canadians off buses and shooting them in the head. That is the preserve of what some Hindus call dharmics.

In Tamil Nadu in the 1960s, the movement was above the benchmark established by Sikhs in the 1980s. Never forget that.

In India, I predict Sikhs will be “voted off the island”. Problem solved.

[sanjaykumar]

To tell the truth secessionist movements are a bigger problem in Canada than in India. And yes, had it not been for the ethnic vote, Quebec would be a sovereign country today. Hence the imperative to ethnically cleanse panjab of Hindus.

It’s just québécois or aboriginals or Métis or Inuit do not go around pulling other Canadians off buses and shooting them in the head. That is the preserve of what some Hindus call dharmics.

In Tamil Nadu in the 1960s, the movement was above the benchmark established by Sikhs in the 1980s. Never forget that.

In India, I predict Sikhs will be “voted off the island”. Problem solved.

[sanjaykumar]

That should read ‘had it not been for the ethnic vote Quebec would have been….’


Of course several of these movements are seemingly dormant. It is not clear to me, at least, how active they are. It may be that dissent at the level of sovereignty is poorly tolerated.

I can certainly confirm the rage in the aboriginal community. A red hot rage that is decidedly toxic. At the present time it is largely turned inwards. But where aboriginals intersect with mainstream Canadians, the very propquinity manifests as the most appalling violence against white people. The assaults and life changing head injuries are unacceptable to any civilised person. You will not read this in the MSM. Certainly not known abroad, from what I know.

[sanman]

Pannu is issuing veiled threats, saying that US Hindus planning to meet Modi should avoid this, as their safety cannot be guaranteed:

[sanman]

Khalistanis Now Raising Clamour in New Zealand

[sanman]

High school in Surrey, BC, Canada will now have poetry and art contests on 1984 Riots against Sikhs

Were any of these high schoolers even born back then?

https://www.surreyschools.ca/salish/_ci/p/180007

[sanman]

Assassination Bid on Sukhbir Badal During Sewa at Golden Temple in Amritsar

https://www.tribuneindia.com/news/punja ... -amritsar/

[Mukesh.Kumar]

X-Post Bangladesh News and Discussion- Found this on a Reddit Bangladesh forum, but it is relevant to this thread. Our enemies are trying to widen fault lines in Indian polity at every opportunity.

Call me a conspiracy theorist, but this rage baiting in Bangladesh cannot be organic. And it's definitely being driven by deep assets. Was browsing Bangladesh for laughs today during my lunch break when I see two sinister posts on contribution of Sikh soldiers to the 1971 war. All day yesterday the said forum was abusing Indians, and suddenly this outpouring of gratitude for Sikhs. Nothing wrong, but this singling Sikhs out, and then immediately tying in the story of Lt. Gen Shabegh Singh is clearly being driven by extenral bodies.

Maj. Gen. Fazal Muqeem Khan, author of book "Pakistan's Crisis of Leadership" writes “The major reason for our defeat are Sikhs" "They took off their turbans & used them to wrap around the naked bodies of the women who were raped & left abandoned by the opposing forces.


Sikh Regiment Soldiers contribution in the Bangladesh Liberation War of 1971

Read the comments section.

Our enemies are relentless and have scoped out our fault lines very well. We need to learn from them.

[ramana]

Sick ********. It's all Indian Army that fought and defeated them.

[Mukesh.Kumar]

X-Post Bangladesh News and Discussion- Found this on a Reddit Bangladesh forum, but it is relevant to this thread. Our enemies are trying to widen fault lines in Indian polity at every opportunity.

Call me a conspiracy theorist, but this rage baiting in Bangladesh cannot be organic. And it's definitely being driven by deep assets. Was browsing Bangladesh for laughs today during my lunch break when I see two sinister posts on contribution of Sikh soldiers to the 1971 war. All day yesterday the said forum was abusing Indians, and suddenly this outpouring of gratitude for Sikhs. Nothing wrong, but this singling Sikhs out, and then immediately tying in the story of Lt. Gen Shabegh Singh is clearly being driven by extenral bodies.

Maj. Gen. Fazal Muqeem Khan, author of book "Pakistan's Crisis of Leadership" writes “The major reason for our defeat are Sikhs" "They took off their turbans & used them to wrap around the naked bodies of the women who were raped & left abandoned by the opposing forces.


Sikh Regiment Soldiers contribution in the Bangladesh Liberation War of 1971

Read the comments section.

Our enemies are relentless and have scoped out our fault lines very well. We need to learn from them.

Putting aside emotion, let' deconstruct the sophistication of the attack:

1. Long time narrative building. Doing one off is separate, but having the rigor to do this continuously- search arcane forums, identify fault lines, push narrative, needs a well motivated group of volunteers (?) backed by resources.
2. Search this guys Reddit profile and you will find he's a dedicated Khalistani rabblerouser focused on issues in Canada. I wonder who he's. Paki resource (then he's following Canada local news very well), or, a Khalistani (then he's got the inclination and a program to trawl all sources. Reddit is not a popular forum like IG/ TikTok, so this points to a higher level of planning and organization.
3. Sophistication of attack. Quoting a less-known but authoritative source for legitimacy. Knowing that most people won't cross-check to see that it is not part of the book and take things at face value.

Rather than get agitated by this we need to closely study their modus operandi and learn from them.

[Haresh]

Sick ********. It's all Indian Army that fought and defeated them.

You are right, but this is the castist, village mentality of these khalistani idiots.

The amount of times I have heard these jat bigots and racists say words to the effect, when talking about lower caste Sikhs or others in the army..........

"One bullet and they run for it"

"The ones who are killed have all been shot in the back, because they were running away"

[Tanaji]

One thing though: the newer generation of Khalistanis are second and third gen Sikhs who probably have never visited India except guided tour to Golden temple and Nanded. These are quite media savvy and beat GoI hands down in messaging and setting the narrative. They have succeeded in giving Khalistan a makeover and presenting it as a group of peaceful langar organising, dancing good old boys wanting their own home land and being opposed by casteist Hindus.

The Hindus in UK, US and Canada are simply oblivious to the real danger they pose (as seen in Canada) or they dont care as they are too busy being the model minority.

The US and Pukis are simply exploiting this faultline

[sanjaykumar]

Your last line is probably closer to the truth.

If India became partners with the US in its global endeavours, these dudes would be on the next ship back to Khalistan.

[Sachin]

Sick ********. It's all Indian Army that fought and defeated them.

May be OT for this thread. The sooner the IA gets rid of the religion & community specific regiments the better. That system worked for the British (quite well). But in today's times, it is now becoming a thing which is getting misused by the members of that religion/caste, and also by the groups who want to see India disintegrate.

[Haresh]

These people claim they have been stopped and questioned at British airports, surely that is the responsibility of the British govt ?
Who is stopping them and asking them questions, what authority do they have ?? who are they ?

Minister issues warning after British Sikhs report harassment by India

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2024/ ... vis-letter

[vera_k]

This looks like a SCAM. I would imagine that if India cared enough, CRPF personnel would be deployed to UK airports to implement pre-clearance facilities. If not pre-cleared, people would be questioned on arrival at an airport in India and refused entry.

[sanman]

Pannu Now Accuses Russia of Involvement in Nijjar Killing, Announces Bounty on Russian Ambassador

[sanman]

These people claim they have been stopped and questioned at British airports, surely that is the responsibility of the British govt ?
Who is stopping them and asking them questions, what authority do they have ?? who are they ?

Minister issues warning after British Sikhs report harassment by India

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2024/ ... vis-letter

Sounds like political stunt -- just like the Canadian Sikhs complaining that visa denial by India is "foreign interference"

Also, bear in mind that UK's lefty Labour govt could be looking to go the Trudeau way and similarly stoke up fears for Vote Bank politics.

India should be on guard against any UK attempt to pull similar stunts like Trudeau's govt did -- including expelling our diplomats.

[sanjaykumar]

Hehe pannunji is ingratiating himself to the Americans.

Pi$$ing off Russia is rarely a wise move.

[sanjaykumar]

Of course India can ingratiate itself with the Americans as well.

From tariffs to quotas to UNSC voting to basing elint facilities in ladakh, the latitude is significant. And that is without turning madman’s into a basing port from the USN.

The fact that India is not doing so signifies that India thinks the Khalistan Josh is manageable as is.

[sanjaykumar]

Of course India can ingratiate itself with the Americans as well.

From tariffs to quotas to UNSC voting to basing elint facilities in ladakh, the latitude is significant. And that is without turning madman’s into a basing port from the USN.

The fact that India is not doing so signifies that India thinks the Khalistan Josh is manageable as is.

That should be Andamans.

[Haresh]

And this is what this khalidstan nonsense is really all about, jaat caste supremacy.

With sticks, AAP workers to guard Ambedkar statues on April 14

https://indianexpress.com/article/citie ... 4-9921503/