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chetak wrote: 14 Jul 2024 18:10
Tanaji wrote: 14 Jul 2024 17:07 Conveniently a registered Republican…


Here you go, Tanaji saar, things may not always be what they appear at first glance


‘Registered’ Republican who donated money to Democrats: Meet Thomas Matthew Crooks, the man behind the assassination attempt on Donald Trump
At a minimum, he was just the usual fickle young man who shifts from one direction to another.

At worst, he may have been an asset cultivated by someone else, who gave him dual credentials so that he could be used to take out either party leader, depending on what the situation required. There are a lot of powerful people who'd like to control who becomes President of the United States.
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NBC made a "very-small" error in reporting the errors of a straw poll conducted before the Pres. Trump assasination attempt -
Public Opinion Strategies, a polling firm used by NBC News in its latest poll, revealed a massive mistake in a survey released Sunday that appeared to show President Joe Biden ahead by 3 percentage points nationally. Former President Donald Trump, not Biden, had been ahead by 3 points in a multicandidate race, according to a statement from the company. The company acknowledged its mistake Sunday night, well after many Democrats had seized the poll as an opportunity to buoy Biden.
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics ... 3#comments
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Donald Trump announced that Sen. JD Vance, (R) Ohio, will be his running mate and vice-presidential candidate in the 2024 presidential election.

BTW his wife is Usha Chilukuri Vance.
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bala wrote: 16 Jul 2024 01:42 Donald Trump announced that Sen. JD Vance, (R) Ohio, will be his running mate and vice-presidential candidate in the 2024 presidential election.

BTW his wife is Usha Chilukuri Vance.
JD Vance is supposed to be more supportive of containment of China.
So that may be relevant.
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The kid was said to be bullied, and an outcast. Such kids can be susceptible to strangers who come along and express an interest in them. :(

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https://www.politico.com/live-updates/2 ... e-00168463

Europe reacts to J.D. Vance as Trump's VP pick: ‘This is a disaster for Ukraine’

Less ColdWar is good for us, though.

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The lack of a social media presence is the biggest red flag. It seems that he was actively groomed to delete his digital footprint before the act.

Second, the actions of his parents. From what I learnt from the media. They're licensed councillors in the state. They must have picked up on any issues the boy was suffering from. Second, they called 911 after the shooter was shot. That they are unable to contact him. It would seem that they had an idea of what he was about to do.
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sanman wrote: 16 Jul 2024 02:52
bala wrote: 16 Jul 2024 01:42 Donald Trump announced that Sen. JD Vance, (R) Ohio, will be his running mate and vice-presidential candidate in the 2024 presidential election.

BTW his wife is Usha Chilukuri Vance.
JD Vance is supposed to be more supportive of containment of China.
So that may be relevant.
Is he related to the former Secretary of State under Carter Cyrus Vance?
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No. He is not related.
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nandakumar wrote: 16 Jul 2024 10:29 Is he related to the former Secretary of State under Carter Cyrus Vance?
J D Vance has no connection with any Washington elites. He was born into a poor family in Ohio, then served in the military, and then was able to go back to school and eventually to Yale. He also wrote a hit book "Hillbilly Elegy" which was turned into a hit movie.
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ramana wrote: 16 Jul 2024 10:50 No. He is not related.
Thanks ramana. I did a search in Google. It didn't throw up anything. This confirms it.
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sanman wrote: 16 Jul 2024 11:01
nandakumar wrote: 16 Jul 2024 10:29 Is he related to the former Secretary of State under Carter Cyrus Vance?
J D Vance has no connection with any Washington elites. He was born into a poor family in Ohio, then served in the military, and then was able to go back to school and eventually to Yale. He also wrote a hit book "Hillbilly Elegy" which was turned into a hit movie.
Thanks.
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sanman wrote: 16 Jul 2024 11:01
nandakumar wrote: 16 Jul 2024 10:29 Is he related to the former Secretary of State under Carter Cyrus Vance?
J D Vance has no connection with any Washington elites. He was born into a poor family in Ohio, then served in the military, and then was able to go back to school and eventually to Yale. He also wrote a hit book "Hillbilly Elegy" which was turned into a hit movie.
Not a hit movie. Box office collections were less than 40k. It has low score on rotten tomatoes. But roper gave 4 *s out of 4. Frieda Pinto - a blast from the past - was caste as Usha Chilukuri.
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Vance's wife:

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Ramaswamy was friend and classmate with Vance (both are from Ohio)



Vivek has said may be open to running for the senate seat which Vance would vacate in becoming Vice President of USA
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Ramaswamy was friend and classmate with Vance (both are from Ohio)
FWIW: - without going into too much details as the details are easily available - both are from (or near to) Cincinnati ..Have known R from his high-school days -- JD also now lives in Cincinnati for many years and won in senate in last election..many friends (and common friends) in SM with many Indians and school_friends etc..
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The classified documents case against former Pres. Trump has been dismissed by Judge Aileen Cannon, according to court records.

The judge ruled that special counsel Jack Smith's appointment was unconstitutional.



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https://abc7news.com/post/donald-trumps ... /15060744/

WASHINGTON -- A federal judge in Florida dismissed the classified documents case against former President Donald Trump on Monday, siding with defense lawyers who said the special counsel who filed the charges was illegally appointed by the Justice Department.

Hours later, special counsel Jack Smith's office said it would appeal the order, which could result in it eventually being overturned by a higher court. But for now at least, the dismissal by U.S. District Judge Aileen Cannon brings a stunning and abrupt halt to a criminal case that at the time it was filed was widely regarded as the most perilous of all the legal threats the Republican former president confronted.

Though the case had long been stalled, and the prospect of a trial before the November election already nonexistent, the judge's order is a significant legal and political victory for Trump as he recovers from a weekend assassination attempt and prepares to accept the Republican nomination in Milwaukee this week.
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Chidanand Roj-phatta produces a lucid article for a change:

https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/wor ... 790115.cms
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Is there a time this matt walsh guy ever got anything right?

https://www.reuters.com/world/us/fbi-sa ... 024-07-15/
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More strange twists in the Trump assassination incident:

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Vayutuvan wrote: 16 Jul 2024 11:46 Not a hit movie. Box office collections were less than 40k. It has low score on rotten tomatoes. But roper gave 4 *s out of 4. Frieda Pinto - a blast from the past - was caste as Usha Chilukuri.
TOP 10 on Netflix in the United States on July 17, 2024
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>> Per latest:
Thomas Crooks was shot dead 26 seconds after he let off his first shot on Donald Trump at his rally.

The details which were made during a briefing with the FBI, say snipers first spotted Crooks on *the roof* at 5:52 p.m., 20 minutes before the first shot.

11 seconds after the first shot which happened at 6:12 p.m., sn*pers located Crooks.

15 seconds later, Crooks was shot dead according to ABC News.

Timeline:

5:10 p.m. Crooks first identified as a person of interest.

5:30 p.m. Crooks spotted with a rangefinder.

5:52 p.m. Crooks spotted on the roof by USSS.

6:02 p.m. Trump takes the stage.

6:12 p.m. Crooks fires first shots.

Crooks was shot 26 seconds later.
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There was ample time to detain and question Crooks.
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vera_k wrote: 18 Jul 2024 11:09
Vayutuvan wrote: 16 Jul 2024 11:46 Not a hit movie. Box office collections were less than 40k. It has low score on rotten tomatoes. But roper gave 4 *s out of 4. Frieda Pinto - a blast from the past - was caste as Usha Chilukuri.
TOP 10 on Netflix in the United States on July 17, 2024
No. 2 for 16 days. Vance was the favorite.
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Under the pretext of Covid looks like the stage is being set to either unveil Mami or another contender.

If Michelle Obama is nominated I will never complain about Lalus and Sonias and Powerfuls and dynasty every again.

Although it’s unlikely me thinks…
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Tanaji wrote: 19 Jul 2024 01:05
If Michelle Obama is nominated I will never complain about Lalus and Sonias and Powerfuls and dynasty every again.
I have no idea where this alternate fantasy has taken over trump supporters. michelle obama will not be the nominee and you can take it to the bank. Either way, as long as its not kamala, all other democrat contenders will be more pragmatic in their approach to modi/india.
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Jay wrote: 19 Jul 2024 03:31
Tanaji wrote: 19 Jul 2024 01:05
If Michelle Obama is nominated I will never complain about Lalus and Sonias and Powerfuls and dynasty every again.
I have no idea where this alternate fantasy has taken over trump supporters. michelle obama will not be the nominee and you can take it to the bank. Either way, as long as its not kamala, all other democrat contenders will be more pragmatic in their approach to modi/india.
I agree as I said the chances are remote. But as they say here: “mahaul paida kar rahe hain” . Let’s get the popcorn and watch the show : a senile geriatric versus a con man - should be a fun few weeks ahead.
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Tanaji wrote: 19 Jul 2024 01:05 Under the pretext of Covid looks like the stage is being set to either unveil Mami or another contender.

If Michelle Obama is nominated I will never complain about Lalus and Sonias and Powerfuls and dynasty every again.

Although it’s unlikely me thinks…

Tanaji saar,

There is some speculation that baba has not endorsed the mylapore maami.

The deep state, while pretending to cursorily push for the mylapore maami, may actually be maneuvering obummer's wife into the contender's slot in a play that may be running in the background. Any which way you slice it, it's the easiest way to get obummer back in "office" again

The overton window for such a move has already been set in place when obummer ascended to the throne

If this turns out to be true, then the implications (and danger) for India, both on the geopolitical, as well as, the national level are considerable and not in a good way too
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Michelle Obama seems to be not acceptable to broad sections of US society. I do not know enough about US politics to be able to explain it. Other than the fear of the ‘angry black woman’. That trope may have some truth to it as well as a justification.

A parlour game is to rate females and males of different ethnicities. Black females come out last. Of course it is non black people playing the game.

Perhaps it is as crude as that.
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There are two reasons for that (my guess)

1. MO herself said that she is definitely not interested in politics.
2. She doesn't have any kind of experience other than being a first lady for 8 years.
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No one has thought about Jill Biden as a possibility. That looks more attractive for US elections. Jill may replace Mylapore Mami with someone more capable, that the electorate will have some confidence in the team. So Jill and someone from the Democratic stable as VP should be choice - the Deep state would love that combo.

Added Later: PGuru is claiming that Joe Biden will announce he is not running for president in 2024...

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Here's some khayali pulao from my side. I have the feeling that the US Economic crash could be closer than a couple of decades we believe it to be. Else, they would not try to resort to such extreme measures. Will stick out my neck and leave this out here. Let's see how this ages.
  1. IF( Between now and 19th Aug DNC, there is a crisis AND Mylapore Mami steps out on to the field to be visible solving it), THEN (I will start liquidating US dollar holdings)
  2. IF (Mami Mylapore solves crisis) THEN (Biden will move aside citing ill health, and a Deep Stata VP like Cheney will be brought in to support Mami as President, and elections will be fudged)
  3. IF (She wins election) THEN (US is headed for a crash, because she will be brought in as a visible scapegoat- Time to short USD if you can).
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https://theprint.in/opinion/jd-vance-hi ... y/2181819/
Article in The Print. I am not familiar with US politics. The author worked for Citigroup. So he should know. Would love to read BRF take on it.
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Peter Thiel, founder of Palantir (whose entire stocks in Palantir is in ROTH IRA worth Billions, he can remove billions without paying a dime in US Tax!) an AI company (which provides secret AI programs to the CIA, US military) backed JD Vance of Ohio. All the best AI talent work for Palantir. Peter Thiel also tanked Silicon Valley Bank last year.

Adi Achint in Sanjay Dixit Jaipur Dialogues


Within the deep state the old rich like SoreAss et al are being challenged by the new rich like MickySoft, Meta, Apple, Google, Amazon (the new MMAGA within Deep State). Peter Thiel is part & parcel of the Deep State. JD Vance is backed because Usha Vance is really a democrat at heart but due to her husband is supporting Republicans. The deep state is in a bit of quandry but they have the trillions (500 T). They are looking at alternatives which they can control without things going haywire. CIA, FBI and US Judiciary are fully infiltrated by the Deep State. Nothing happens in the US without these key institutes direction, does not matter who is the El Presidente.

Biden is striken with Covid (kya bath hai?). Emperor is missing in action (stroke etc are being rumored). PLA is disheartened and top leaders have been removed, some haven't been paid salaries. There is a covert war happening around and within Bharat. Trump has been warned with an assasination attempt with the US security forces stage managing things. J D Vance the VP candidate requires more study. The new Deep State is open to possibilities if Trump gets elected in the US. We need to watch what happens in the Democrats convention, the deep state may pull of another Rabbit and ensure the elections are won for the Rabbit.

Elon Musk is removing companies from the State of California - SpaceX is first. Elon Musk has been prevented by the Deep State in putting roots in India with Tesla car manufacturing. Bharat is becoming the largest data center in the world and the trend is increasing.

Modiji and BJP is being played by the Deep State in a multi-pronged attempts. The Deep state is facing no alternative than good old Bharat but they want to control Bharat somehow. Pappu, BIF, lefties are there to willingly help for a silver coin. Note that even in Semiconductor thrust, all major manufacturing from China is relocated to Vietnam not Bharat. Taiwan has been warned about China. Bharat via Jaishankar are increasing sphere of influence into Phillippines, Taiwan etc. Bharat will get the investments from the Deep State however there will be huge strings attached. But Bharat is democracy and anything can happen.
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bala wrote: 19 Jul 2024 23:07 Peter Thiel, founder of Palantir (whose entire stocks in Palantir is in ROTH IRA worth Billions, he can remove billions without paying a dime in US Tax!) an AI company (which provides secret AI programs to the CIA, US military) backed JD Vance of Ohio. All the best AI talent work for Palantir. Peter Thiel also tanked Silicon Valley Bank last year.
thats not how roth ira works.
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