Bangladesh News and Discussion

[Mukesh.Kumar]

BAF C130J. Landed in Delhi. Shiv Aroor confirms.

https://www.opindia.com/2024/08/sheikh- ... -on-alert/

Am hoping that there won't be disturbances in Calcutta around the High Commission.

Ground reports from Dhaka are that things have dimmed down.

[nits]

From TOI:

Bangladesh Protest Live: Former PM Sheikh Hasina's aircraft lands at IAF's Hindon airbase near Delhi, reported ANI quoting sources

The C-130 aircraft with the call sign AJAX1431 carrying Hasina and her sister after they fled the country was being tracked Indian security agencies as it approached the border.

The Bangladesh Air Force plane flew over Patna and was tracked near the Uttar Pradesh-Bihar border earlier.
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Soon after Hasina's departure, Bangladesh's military chief, General Waker-uz-Zaman, announced intentions to consult the president about forming an interim government.

[chetak]

India is a stable country. Our political system is mature and proven. I would not compare India to chronically unstable places.

Eklavya, I wouldn't be so confident. God knows, we came close to a change in the last elections, another 1 million strategic votes this way, and we would be having a different government. India does not have to repeat Bangladesh's path, but it can rhyme.

OT Alert:
Let me solve the reverse problem, how would I approach breaking India.

• Increase agitation in Punjab and North India. Let S. Indian states cause distraction.
• Occupy Central Government bandwidth with increased violence in J&K. Distract from governance.
• Increase low level irritants and feed news cycles with train derailment, scams, and general feeling that law and order is slipping away.
• Start off problems in North East (Assam and along Manipur/ Nagaland). Support with arms, money and propaganda to disencnahted rebel leaders who feel left out.
• Keep agitating on joblessness and rising prices.
• Entice big business with scope of deals and give assurance that if the government changes they will be taken care of.
• Instead of foisting Kejriwal, work with the current set of regional satraps. Work towards INDI 2.0.Build up a media tsunami before 2029.

India is a stable and mature democracy, but then in all democracies, people get complacent and apathetic. Switch off enough of the voters by making them believe that this government is like any other, and they will vote for anyone, most likely the one that is not incumbent. Factor in the number of young voters who are entering the electoral process with no idea of what the earlier years were.

eklavya ji,

when the anrikis and NATO wantonly destroyed Gaddafi and his country, the people there were reasonably happy with him.

It was done to prevent the creation of an independent hard currency in Africa that would free the continent from its economic bondage under the dollar, the IMF and the French African franc. That hard currency would have allowed Africa to shake off the last heavy chains of colonial exploitation.

This was the first attempt at de-dollarization and an example had to be made

or take the case of saddam and eyraaq

all basic necessities and items of daily and general use were heavily subsidized by the state, healthcare was more or less reliable and free, food was plentiful and widely available on the streets, and extremely cheaply too. No one starved. Fuel cost a pittance, and kids had schools to go to

Yes, the awam was not allowed to do so many things but they didn't really care too much, except for some of the so called unwashed "intellectuals" who tried to stir up trouble, and these vermin were occasionally rounded up and publicly hanged / shot

It is best if one doesn't apply ones "concept of democracy" to other countries, least of all to those who have never had the faintest idea of "democracy" in their 1400 odd years of existence ....

Mukesh.Kumar ji,

You are one hundred percent right.

We just about barely managed to dodge the bullet in the recent elections as indeed we did in 2019 also, only then the systems/toolkits used were not so sophisticated as in 2014. A definite attempt at regime change was indeed made in 2019 but it fizzled out early and sank quickly.

He had been promised a win by his deep state minders. It was the dynaastic dimwit's shocked disbelief and bewildered reaction that gave the game away. It looks like they changed his coach for 2024 but the dynaastic dimwit did not get to finish the race.

Modi should be careful about the timing of the WAQF bill. The BIF is spoiling for a fight

[shravanp]

We can also resolutely deport illegal Bangladeshis back to their native country, even those who claim to have been born in India

Indira Gandhi, Rajiv Gandhi, Lal Bahadur Shashtri, all of these cleared from political space 'suddenly'. And that too in a very short span of time. India is relatively a new concept as compared to West and I wouldn't be overconfident as to think that India is all very resilient.

[srin]

We missed the bus in 1971!!
I dont know if I am right but maybe we should have integrated the East Bengal into India instead of un official infiltration into India.
Paki+Chini must be celebrating.
Paki anlcysts on Al Hijra pontificating

The bus we missed in 1971 was to keep the Chicken Neck / Siliguri corridor (instead of making it large) as a strategic disadvantage and secondly, not giving sea access to North East.
Stupid strategic blunders.

[sanman]

Deep State logh khush hain?

[chetak]

A third front has now opened up for India, as we move up from 2 1/2 to 3 1/2 fronts


The new state will be hostile to India in every way, while pretending not to be.

taqiya will be the new beedi motto for their India relations

[Baikul]

BD will remain open to manipulation. Whether their political system has matured enough to stop further instability remains to be seen. I don’t have a lot of faith - their penchant for bursts of extreme violence are well known.

I am sure there will be a negative impact on relations with India especially if the Islamists come to power, but maybe even if not. Whipping horse and all that.

It’s China we need to watch out for. Pakistan, whatever they may like to think (umma jumma chumna and all that) are now not very relevant as actual players in BD. And if Pakistanis think otherwise, they are going to get the same sharp lessons they were taught in Afghanistan once the US left, and ISI probably thought they were masters of all they surveyed.

[Mukesh.Kumar]

Deep State logh khush hain?

My take below:

1. 4:30- Shree Iyer is way off on a tangent. India being able to capitalize on BD economic weakness is not feasible.
2. 5:40- Refugee crisis is likely to happen. It's not going to hit WB as much as Assam, Meghalaya, Tripura. Savio is on the ball here.
3. 7:40 Pratyush was on the ball regarding Judicial overreach playbook.

   The situation in Bangladesh is a reverse of what has happened in Manipur. // In both the cases, the judiciary has acted in an un accountable manner. // In Manipur they directed to the government that one specific tribe be granted quotas. // In Bangladesh's case, the judiciary has disarmed the government order removing quotas for a specific set of people.// Once is an accident, twice is a coincidence, but I am not interested in finding out for a 3rd time.

4. 9:00- Sheikh Hasina's life is in danger, and unlikely she will return to BD ever. Corroborated by her son- Joy to BBC
5. 11:30- What is the CIA's objective in targeting India. On the ball. How they are sending a message to India by targeting Hindu's.
6. 15:00- Let's see if the prediction of Sheikh Hasina as a dictator starts coming out in mainstream news. Likely to happen.

[Mukesh.Kumar]

BD will remain open to manipulation. Whether their political system has matured enough to stop further instability remains to be seen. I don’t have a lot of faith - their penchant for bursts of extreme violence are well known.

I am sure there will be a negative impact on relations with India especially if the Islamists come to power, but maybe even if not. Whipping horse and all that.

It’s China we need to watch out for. Pakistan, whatever they may like to think (umma jumma chumna and all that) are now not very relevant as actual players in BD. And if Pakistanis think otherwise, they are going to get the same sharp lessons they were taught in Afghanistan once the US left, and ISI probably thought they were masters of all they surveyed.

I would say it's the US which is our concern. This has the fingerprints of the US chefs all over it.

But who knows, maybe it's the Chinese virus which has even penetrated the Master Chef America.

[Manish_P]

A third front has now opened up for India, as we move up from 2 1/2 to 3 1/2 fronts


The new state will be hostile to India in every way, while pretending not to be.

taqiya will be the new beedi motto for their India relations

<OT>Don't forget Nepal and the Lanka, Chetak sir.

They may not be hot now but they have been getting carefully incubated for some time now. They too will be hatched at the required time</OT>

[Hari Nair]

A regional power, by definition is able to influence events in its declared area of influence.

Ajit Doval and his gang of 'Super-Spies' were very clearly caught flat-footed. They appeared to only be reacting to the events.

Why on earth, if we declare ourselves as a "regional power", are we not able to control these events there? Especially given the fact that we control 4/5 of the land frontier there?

It's very clear that the Jamat was pushing regime change with the external players (CIA+ISI) and the Bangladesh Army Chief also turned colours - he gave a 45 min ultimatum to the ex-PM to resign and leave! Were our guys sleeping at the wheel? Ultimately, it's like we were slapped in the face with a very cold and hard wet fish by the usual antagonists.

It's high time our self-styled super-sleuths be held accountable. No amount of own damage-control propaganda can compensate for this sort of geo-political reversal with such severe adverse future implications to our immediate neighborhood.

[chanakyaa]

A regional power, by definition is able to influence events in its declared area of influence.

Ajit Doval ji and his colleagues of 'Super-Spies' were very clearly caught flat-footed. They appeared to only be reacting to the events.

Why on earth, if we declare ourselves as a "regional power", are we not able to control these events there?
….

Out of curiosity, If you were invited to the PMO office to give feedback what could be done differently what would your recommendations on what the problem is, how to solve it, and the ultimate objective? Please provide 3-4 bullet points.

[chetak]

A third front has now opened up for India, as we move up from 2 1/2 to 3 1/2 fronts


The new state will be hostile to India in every way, while pretending not to be.

taqiya will be the new beedi motto for their India relations

<OT>Don't forget Nepal and the Lanka, Chetak sir.

They may not be hot now but they have been getting carefully incubated for some time now. They too will be hatched at the required time</OT>

Right you are, Manish ji.

our kukarmi padosis have taken us for granted for far too long and we are now forced to deal with metastasizing threats from these parasites.

they have realized that the Hindus rarely bark and almost never bite

though they all tremble in their IMF/WB paid trousers when dealing with the spiteful cheen

[S_Madhukar]

Question is will India have the politico military heft to reverse this? Fact is our neighbours think we are a weak state easily bullied by them if they have the backing of a bigger bully. It’s a bit of sadomaschist relationship one has to figure which end you want to play . In the subcontinent nobody cares about citizens anyway the politicians can be easily bought which means see saw all the time . Will Kolkata remain with us in the next decade ?

[m_saini]

Out of curiosity, If you were invited to the PMO office to give feedback what could be done differently what would your recommendations on what the problem is, how to solve it, and the ultimate objective? Please provide 3-4 bullet points.

The bolded part presupposes that we know what was done in the first place. We have no clue what Doval and colleagues were doing.

But generally the minimum objective should be to not be caught flat footed when there's a military coup in your neighbouring country.

Unless we knew about it and let it happen anyway (which doesn't seem like it), the whole thing is pretty depressing

[bala]

Bangladesh Army Chief also turned colours

This is the big issue that Bharat dropped the ball. When 71 war happened and we liberated BD from the clutches of the Pukes, Indira G should have insisted that BD is given freedom to rule itself without the ability to have an armed force. India should have said that any invasion of BD is not possible without invading Bharat first and hence BD does not require an army/airforce/navy. This should have been in the terms of agreeing to BD becoming free. In addition, they should have asked for assurance for the hindus in BD. Not being forceful projects India as a soft state and hence the consequences for such a policy.

[Hari Nair]

A regional power, by definition is able to influence events in its declared area of influence.

Ajit Doval and his gang of 'Super-Spies' were very clearly caught flat-footed. They appeared to only be reacting to the events.

Why on earth, if we declare ourselves as a "regional power", are we not able to control these events there?
….

Out of curiosity, If you were invited to the PMO office to give feedback what could be done differently what would your recommendations on what the problem is, how to solve it, and the ultimate objective? Please provide 3-4 bullet points.

Chanakyaa -

For a start - carry out some detailed analysis on where our int analytical forecasting (if there is any?) went kilter, especially given the fact that the playbook as it unfolded this time is very similar to what transpired there earlier (twice) - where the Army is a major player.

The US & Chinese were very obviously not favourably disposed to Shiekh Hasina. Very evident by the fact that the erstwhile PM had to cut-short her visit about a month ago. The US was not exactly favourably disposed to her and had expressed their opinion about her during the election.

Their Army very obviously did not change tune suddenly - they are the Centre of Gravity, as far events there are concerned. There very obviously must have been signals that we missed. Also - as I stated earlier why on earth are we not able to control the narrative and those rag-tag political outfits there, for whatever it takes in terms of resources and effort?

Something eerily similar to what happened in Sri Lanka - flash mobs, sudden change of narrative and then - regime change. As usual we are on the sidelines, attempting to react.

If we insist on being passive innocent passers-by, holding the moral apolitical high-ground, then good luck - be reactive all the time and keep bleating ! Also then stop bleating about being the Vishwaguru or even the Regional Guru!

This is the big issue that Bharat dropped the ball. When 71 war happened and we liberated BD from the clutches of the Pukes, Indira G should have insisted that BD is given freedom to rule itself without the ability to have an armed force. India should have said that any invasion of BD is not possible without invading Bharat first and hence BD does not require an army/airforce/navy. This should have been in the terms of agreeing to BD becoming free. In addition, they should have asked for assurance for the hindus in BD. Not being forceful projects India as a soft state and hence the consequences for such a policy.

I agree - shortsighted policies, with no foresight at all!

[chetak]

A regional power, by definition is able to influence events in its declared area of influence.

Ajit Doval and his gang of 'Super-Spies' were very clearly caught flat-footed. They appeared to only be reacting to the events.

Why on earth, if we declare ourselves as a "regional power", are we not able to control these events there? Especially given the fact that we control 4/5 of the land frontier there?

It's very clear that the Jamat was pushing regime change with the external players (CIA+ISI) and the Bangladesh Army Chief also turned colours - he gave a 45 min ultimatum to the ex-PM to resign and leave! Were our guys sleeping at the wheel? Ultimately, it's like we were slapped in the face with a very cold and hard wet fish by the usual antagonists.

It's high time our self-styled super-sleuths be held accountable. No amount of own damage-control propaganda can compensate for this sort of geo-political reversal with such severe adverse future implications to our immediate neighborhood.

Nair saab,

Outside looking in and on the face of it, the protests started out low key but then they rapidly spun out of control and metamorphosed into a black swan that India has been presented with.

In reality, after publicly warning India that some "whiteman" wanted some beedi land to set up a new country that would encompass land from adjoining countries to create an independent and free standing abrahamic controlled sovereign state to fulfill a 7 odd decades old, nefarious plans hatched by the british to detach the NE from India, in fact there were four british plans for north east India, hatched between 1941–1947

hasina's warnings should have been taken seriously and pushback plans should have already been put in place.

I have no doubts at all that the beedis were merely a way station, with the final destination being India.

It's very likely that these regime change plans were already set in motion even before hasina was "approached" by the "whiteman" and well before the elections were held by the beedis

I am also certain that hasina would have disclosed chapter and verse of the visit of the "whiteman" to people in dilli. After all, she did make an unusual trip to dilli

It now begs the question, was hasina primed with a false narrative to lull suspicions of the authorities in India or was she a part of the deal, personally complicit in the regime change operations and thus paid off accordingly, with iron clad guarantees of diplomatic immunity and state protection in some "friendly" countries.

BTW, the beedis, the entire awam, harbour a deeply ingrained hatred for India in general, and for the Hindus in particular.

[bala]

The Cheen/PLA/Emperor is trying their best to relocate manufacturing into willing nations - Vietnam, Indonesia, Cambodia, Laos, Myanmar, etc. BD under Hasina did not want them because they demanded too much. Now, that Hasina is out of the way, the cheen truck will drive right through and plant their industries into BD land. The US is as usual myopic about the Cheen designs, but they are secretly cheering on to spite India despite Quad etc. The left does not know what the right hand does - stupidity of the highest kind.

[fanne]

My take, in BD culprit may not be cheen/TSP, it is somewhere else. The big prize is Bharat.

[KL Dubey]

Outside looking in and on the face of it, the protests started out low key but then they rapidly spun out of control and metamorphosed into a black swan that India has been presented with.

In reality, after publicly warning India that some "whiteman" wanted some beedi land to set up a new country that would encompass land from adjoining countries to create an independent and free standing abrahamic controlled sovereign state to fulfill a 7 odd decades old, nefarious plans hatched by the british to detach the NE from India, in fact there were four british plans for north east India, hatched between 1941–1947

hasina's warnings should have been taken seriously and pushback plans should have already been put in place.

How do we know (or assume in haste) that India was not working with Hasina these last few months to contain the unrest/interference/whatever we can call it ? She took several steps to contain it, including law enforcement and also asking the BD supreme court to lower the reservation quota back. These efforts - and others - may have been supported by India without appearing in the news.

Is it not possible that our efforts were just unsuccessful - or we calculated that engaging in this specific tussle beyond a point was not useful, and we should engage with whoever comes next? I think it is immature to just read a few news articles on the outcome and assume that Indian agencies were "caught napping" all along. This isn't like a Jerry Springer show in which everyone airs dirty laundry and bicker for all to see.

After all, Hasina fled to India and that too on a BD military plane.

I am a little confused on what constitutional transfer of power procedures are followed in BD - I guess we'll find out. Technically the Awami League has a huge majority in the parliament, and if the PM resigns (due to "popular demand" ) then a new PM should be nominated once the BD army is able to establish some control.

[drnayar]

My take, in BD culprit may not be cheen/TSP, it is somewhere else. The big prize is Bharat.

maybe a run down to the next Indian elections ..

democracy = American influence

[KL Dubey]

My take, in BD culprit may not be cheen/TSP, it is somewhere else. The big prize is Bharat.

maybe a run down to the next Indian elections ..

democracy = American influence

As I have said in both the US-related threads, take US and China influence/interference/other mind games as a given. Neither of these powers is going to willingly let Bharat take the mantle of dominating the IOR and the landmass surrounding it.

The real discussion is how Bharat formulates its policies and actions (both proactive and reactive) to push back and assert itself.

In other words, the outcomes of US-India and India-China relations have recently been (and will be) increasingly determined by Bharat's policies and their effectiveness. Of course the dynamics and mechanics of these relations will involve all three countries and their actions.

[chetak]

Outside looking in and on the face of it, the protests started out low key but then they rapidly spun out of control and metamorphosed into a black swan that India has been presented with.

In reality, after publicly warning India that some "whiteman" wanted some beedi land to set up a new country that would encompass land from adjoining countries to create an independent and free standing abrahamic controlled sovereign state to fulfill a 7 odd decades old, nefarious plans hatched by the british to detach the NE from India, in fact there were four british plans for north east India, hatched between 1941–1947

hasina's warnings should have been taken seriously and pushback plans should have already been put in place.

How do we know (or assume in haste) that India was not working with Hasina these last few months to contain the unrest/interference/whatever we can call it ? She took several steps to contain it, including law enforcement and also asking the BD supreme court to lower the reservation quota back. These efforts - and others - may have been supported by India without appearing in the news.

Is it not possible that our efforts were just unsuccessful - or we calculated that engaging in this specific tussle beyond a point was not useful, and we should engage with whoever comes next? I think it is immature to just read a few news articles on the outcome and assume that Indian agencies were "caught napping" all along. This isn't like a Jerry Springer show in which everyone airs dirty laundry and bicker for all to see.

After all, Hasina fled to India and that too on a BD military plane.

I am a little confused on what constitutional transfer of power procedures are followed in BD - I guess we'll find out. Technically the Awami League has a huge majority in the parliament, and if the PM resigns (due to "popular demand" ) then a new PM should be nominated once the BD army is able to establish some control.

Dubey ji,


India will not give her permanent residence because geopolitically, we simply cannot afford to do so

She will move on after a brief lull, during which she will work out or some entity will work out for her a more concrete option

So it will likely be one of the gulf states or the uk where language will not be a barrier for her

She is educated so it must be assumed that she has some familiarity with english

she seems to have left, or was forced to leave some of her family behind which is par for the course with islamic cultures, as hostage taking is a common practice

the beedi army will be majorly influential in the formation of the interim govt, as well as, calling the shots with the next "elected" govt, in the age old and time tested paki jernail style

[KL Dubey]

^^That is all expected or possible, this is not the first time an elected leader has been overthrown. India did not reject her request to flee to India (whether temporary or not).

Also consider the contradictions in some of the above posts:

India will not give her permanent residence because geopolitically, we simply cannot afford to do so

If India can't afford to give her long term asylum, then clearly India couldn't afford to keep her propped up in power/manage the multiple actors in the BD drama beyond a point. So, the hasty criticism of India sarkar, Doval et al "not doing anything" seems futile.

I see a few posters, and also a bunch of commentators on Youtube, doing detailed "exposes" on external interferences in India in a somewhat "sensational" manner. While this is good for awareness/awakening, it looks like the people of Bharat are just now waking up to great power politics - whereas I think the sarkar and intelligence/national security apparatus would have been dealing with this every day for decades. As we get stronger, there will likely be more wins and fewer losses over time.

[chetak]

^^That is all expected or possible, this is not the first time an elected leader has been overthrown. India did not reject her request to flee to India (whether temporary or not).

Dubey ji,

she had nowhere else to go and also be safe.

India was the only option that she had, especially, given the good relations that she has with the GoI

India has a headache in protecting even a trouble making and entitled non entity like taslima nasreen, with mullah beardos baying for her blood

hasina is a very much bigger deal ..... plus, there will be many mullah beardos out to get her on Indian soil just to embarrass Modi ji.

any damage to hasina's person under the shelter of the GoI is what India cannot afford

hence the proverbial heave ho for hasina to sunnier climes, sooner rather than later

[KL Dubey]

A regional power, by definition is able to influence events in its declared area of influence.

It is able to influence to a point, but there is no guarantee of success especially if a global power is involved.

"Areas of infuence" are not demarcated exactly on any map, these things are much more fluid. There is usually an ongoing "cold war/competition" under the surface that occasionally becomes visible.

[Vayutuvan]

As I have said in both the US-related threads, take US and China influence/interference/other mind games as a given. Neither of these powers is going to willingly let Bharat take the mantle of dominating the IOR and the landmass surrounding it.

The real discussion is how Bharat formulates its policies and actions (both proactive and reactive) to push back and assert itself.
these relations will involve all three countries and their actions.

All good in theory. The real "kabaab mein haddi" is India's dependence on Russia/Euros/US/Israel for most weapons platforms, especially tactical platforms like artillery - guns and shells (which is being addressed, but at the "lightning" speed of babugiri). Other than jet engines, we are sort of OK in missiles and nuc delivery platforms.

But if India has to intervene in BD, it all depends on tanks/artillery while blockading entry into Bay of Bengal.

Things are going to go out of control very fast. So all our long term strategic games are not relevant the current developing situation.

If India has to sacrifice Hasina, they will do it.

[Vayutuvan]

"Areas of infuence" are not demarcated exactly on any map, these things are much more fluid. There is usually an ongoing "cold war/competition" under the surface that occasionally becomes visible.

Some people are hellbent on insulting intelligence of longtime BRF posters.

India's near-abroad is part of India's "areas of influence", especially BD which has no other neighbours modulo 10% of the border with Myanmar which has an India friendly govt.

The set "areas of influence" is both geographical ("demarcated exactly on the map") and abstract (like accession of Kashmir).

Some folks can't help but be condescending.

[KL Dubey]

@"Hari Nair"

To clarify: "Neighborhood" is a clearly defined term. "Areas of influence" are not often clearly defined, and are fluid.

Neighborhood is Pak, Nep, Bhutan, BD, SL, Maldives, Myanmar. India has not/cannot yet exercise stable influence in any of these countries, except perhaps Bhutan. Tibet of course is in CCP hands. So holding India to an assumed standard of having stable "areas of influence" and analyzing our "performance" in that context, is futile.

[Y I Patel]

Bangladesh is like a bus racing downhill with failed brakes. The unfolding horrors, including genocide of Bangladeshi Hindus, are fore-ordained. The silver lining is that the India-friendly driver was extracted at the eleventh hour, so Indian support can no longer be the excuse for what is to follow.

Few other thoughts:

Like Maldives and Sri Lanka, economic realities will force the next dispensation to not be virulently anti-India. Long term, India’s role in the region and its influence will continue to grow. But the interim will see tragedy

Hasina should go to London and do unto others what they did to her

[tandav]

A potential genocide of Hindu / Dharmic minorities in Bangladesh is looking probable. What action can be taken to protect them?

President rule BD bordering states followed by deployment of refugee corridors to safe enclaves maybe needed.

[drnayar]

What is happening in BD is the convergence of a multitude of factors post COVID era., we in BRF correctly assumed most of the small countries would be hard put to continue with the economic stresses that followed all across the world, Maldives, Sri lanka are all just some examples., in BD land this was weaponised by certain. interested parties, but i feel India will not SH down. It is likely to grant her refuge and see whether the caretaker government follows democratic norms., that will be interesting. Whether Americas " democracy" or Indias version will work!! .. interesting times unfortunately.

[KL Dubey]

A potential genocide of Hindu / Dharmic minorities in Bangladesh is looking probable. What action can be taken to protect them?

President rule BD bordering states followed by deployment of refugee corridors to safe enclaves maybe needed.

I am guessing that first of all the MEA will try to establish a working relationship with the BD army chief to impress upon him to meet needs for law and order and avoid genocide of Hindus.

If the situation completely spirals out of control, India has the option and opportunity to "re-do" the botched aftermath of the 1971 military victory. Last month India weighed in on the protests saying it was BD's "internal matter" - that was expected because our friend Hasina was in power. Now that is no longer valid. Perhaps a "reverse partition" creating large Hindu enclaves bordering Indian states that will eventually be annexed.

In between these two extremes, there is probably a spectrum of other options, such as a combination of refugee handling + peacekeeping/sending help to the BD army.

[sanman]

US backed Islamist forces in AfPak for decades, and got 9/11 blowback catalyzed by Gulf War.

Now US is again back to its old tricks, and there's no reason why it won't reap more blowback catalyzed by new events in Middle East.

Islam is ultimately a Middle Eastern ideology, and it ultimately revolves around that place.

AfPak showed that ultimately you can't compartmentalize Islamists and hope they'll all stay conveniently separate from each other.


Is US growing snakes in our backyard to bite us? Because those particular snakes are well known to travel. Bin Laden didn't stay in Yemen, and made his way to AfPak. Likewise, who's to say that Hamas won't make their way to Bangla?
Will US only learn after another 9/11?

[sanman]

Here is Hindu student in Bangla talking to Germany's DW:

[chanakyaa]

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The bolded part presupposes that we know what was done in the first place. We have no clue what Doval ji and his colleagues we’re doing.

But generally the minimum objective should be to not be caught flat footed when there's a military coup in your neighbouring country.

Unless we knew about it and let it happen anyway (which doesn't seem like it), the whole thing is pretty depressing

@m_saini ji my post was in response to the following quote

... Doval ji and his colleagues of 'Super-Spies' were very clearly caught flat-footed. They appeared to only be reacting to the events...

Yes, we will never know what goes in the background because Ajit Doval ji or whoever are not obligated to announce their actions (if any) to the world or aam abduls in any periodic update. Not sure how Indians were caught flat footed to what happened in Bangladesh. Yes, things moved very fast but somehow people in power (and BD desk) were clueless is premature assessment. Hope there is some clarity once the things settle down.

[ramana]

Its demeaning to use the phrase "Doval and the gang"
He is the NDA and not any gang leader.

I request self editing within 5 days.
If not will issue temporary ban after that.
Ramana to Admin

[m_saini]

Edited ramana sir. In all honestly it wasn't meant as an actual gang, it's just a phrase like "me and the gang" or "me and the boys" etc