Bangladesh News and Discussion

[KL Dubey]

I'd be hesitant to compare what's happening in BD to what happened in SL. SL was experiencing an economic meltdown of epic proportions and the govt. in charge was squarely to blame for it. You expect some kind of reaction from the people in such a scenario. There is no such dire situation in BD and the ostensible reason being given for the protests (the quota decision) doesn't seem to pass the smell test.

I don't know what is the truth yet, but M. Yunus came on western TV channels and explained that "youth distress" was at a very high level, with a large % of young population and persistent unemployment issues. According to him the careless handling of the quota issue - more than 35% reservation for "freedom fighter" families, i.e. basically the supporters of awami league dating from the 1960s/70s - was the last straw.

Yunus seems to be very strongly connected to the US throughout his life.

[bala]

The Pukes and Cheen/Emperor hand is very clear in this YT by Sumit Peer in PGurus. ISI, ISIS, China PLA, Islamic jihadi groups in BD are all in synch. Cheen provided cash in local currency. We have seen disturbances in NE and Myanmar. SH was asked for airbase land by the Cheen on BD island (St martin island) near Chittagong, which was refused. Some planning with the Pukes was done in UK (yeah what is new!). Cheen anger is all over the place on SH and BD. There is tacit joining of hands between the Cheens and US Deep State, it is kumbaya all the way between them. Minority massacre (and some has happened already) is on the cards in BD, now that Pukes are closely involved.



// I think tis time to activate the Indian Army/Airforce and Navy too for any unforeseen new developments in BD.

[chetak]

Whichever way one wants to slice it, at the end of the day, it is now an inescapable fact that India has been completely surrounded by forces inimical to it and almost all of India's borders have become directly accessible to hostile elements. Large scale infiltration, especially by rohingiyas and beedis will be the first step. Drugs, weapons, and human trafficking will grow to industrial scale and become rampant with rapid increase in the numbers of drug addled youth in border states like cashmere, punjab and mumtaz bano's version of paradise

Going forward, even as consequential events, triggered by this coup in beediland start to unfold, the gamut of options previously available to India has narrowed considerably and the range and scale of emerging threats have multiplied in ways that will directly impinge on all of India's border states and the very heartland itself, igniting conflagrations in manipur, cashmere, punjab. gujarat, KER, TN, the entire NE and heartland India itself via the naxal menace

Indian politicos and political parties are no longer hiding their once covert and long standing connections to the BIF

Our enemies have started to coalesce, coordinate, and consult in ways not seen before, making it almost inescapable to not only display but also decisively deploy the iron fist of the Indian state

What happened in beediland is a military coup, no need to beat around the bush, with puffed up jernails covertly taking orders directly from extraterritorial interests, coordinating and orchestrating street violence and disturbances that led to the complete corralling of hasina and ultimately resulted in her physical removal. The physical ejection and also the unharmed elimination of hasina from beediland is a vital part of their plan.

Terminating her with extreme prejudice, which would have been child's play for these external outside forces was not an option, even though it would just have taken was a smallish crowd of "unruly" agitators to "somehow" gain tactical access to the hasina residence, do the dirty and on emerging from the residence, they would have been completely wiped out by a "loyal" beedi army contingent. Bob's you uncle, and no one would have been any the wiser

That would have created a "martyr" in the true sense, and the international backlash would have caused a counter polarization in beediland and probably led to a civil war like situation in the short term. That is why she was "encouraged" to leave by none other than her own "army chief" who not only provided safe passage but also a secure means of transport.

Her continued presence in India is not only a danger to the Indian state and also the Modi govt. Soon the beedis will start a new narrative where India is cast as the evil "puppet master" who controlled the puppet hasina.

Extreme hatred for India in general and the Hindus in particular has long been ingrained in the beedi genes, going back to times even before the partition of bengal

The entire coup has been meticulously planned, almost flawlessly executed, and now the end game is playing out, the sharing of the spoils of political power is the next step that will reveal the contours of the monster that will emerge to confront India

Make no mistake, the ultimate prize is India, and the same BIF will attempt to implement a variation of the beedi plan to dislodge Modi ji and install a pliant puppet

[chetak]

I'd be hesitant to compare what's happening in BD to what happened in SL. SL was experiencing an economic meltdown of epic proportions and the govt. in charge was squarely to blame for it. You expect some kind of reaction from the people in such a scenario. There is no such dire situation in BD and the ostensible reason being given for the protests (the quota decision) doesn't seem to pass the smell test.

I don't know what is the truth yet, but M. Yunus came on western TV channels and explained that "youth distress" was at a very high level, with a large % of young population and persistent unemployment issues. According to him the careless handling of the quota issue - more than 35% reservation for "freedom fighter" families, i.e. basically the supporters of awami league dating from the 1960s/70s - was the last straw.

Yunus seems to be very strongly connected to the US throughout his life.

Dubey ji,

he may not even be a mulla walla but long since crypto converted to another flavor of the desert cults

He has had the long time backing of the clintons, especially the personal backing of poisonous and snake rearing spouse and the deep state denizens of foggy bottom

He will be brought in as the new beedi president, sooner rather than later.

[S_Madhukar]

I thought that 90s was the worst time for India now but I am afraid of this decade.
Afraid because we have converted our Army into police and forgotten to use force. Blinken has blinkered his friend Jai and awards seem to have softened Modi. Hope I am wrong !
Our constant coddling of Pakistan makes us look weak and we haven’t really hit out after 1971 while Unkil prepared for that version of India. Those plans are now being put in action. They have enough Xtian influence in south to protect their investments there, rest of the country is open game.

[bala]

Whichever way one wants to slice it, at the end of the day, it is now an inescapable fact that India has been completely surrounded by forces inimical to it and almost all of India's borders have become directly accessible to hostile elements.

Perfectly summed up Chetak ji!

I am afraid that playing defense gets you only thus far. Some offense fireworks are needed. When Donald J Trump unleashed 50 tomahawks in the middle east, everyone started shitting in their pants and there was immediate peace overtures from all and sundry. Similarly, India needs to show some chutzpah and fire a warning shot to all the piranahas in neighborhood. Cheen especially needs to be shown who is the boss in the neighborhood. They are effectively weak, the PLA leadership has been devastated by Emperor and their cadre with 1 child of family soldier is not prepared to fight. A quick thrust into Tibet to take out Lhasa would be enough. A 50 brahmos shower on the Pukes will stop their perfidy into India by their Jihadis. BD land also requires a firing shot into their Army hdqtrs with a blockade on their harbors by the Indian Navy (Navy is the most capable unit for India!). If you don't establish supremacy in your neighborhood all kinds of critters knaw away at you and act like they are in charge.

[KL Dubey]

Interesting interview with Sajib Joy (son of Sheikh Hasina) who lives in USA: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_BX6T0k0B-c

This is with Kanwal at India Today, he has done a few more similar interviews with other Indian channels. He explains his take on the developments, who are responsible, and what will happen next.

[chetak]

I'd be hesitant to compare what's happening in BD to what happened in SL. SL was experiencing an economic meltdown of epic proportions and the govt. in charge was squarely to blame for it. You expect some kind of reaction from the people in such a scenario. There is no such dire situation in BD and the ostensible reason being given for the protests (the quota decision) doesn't seem to pass the smell test.

I don't know what is the truth yet, but M. Yunus came on western TV channels and explained that "youth distress" was at a very high level, with a large % of young population and persistent unemployment issues. According to him the careless handling of the quota issue - more than 35% reservation for "freedom fighter" families, i.e. basically the supporters of awami league dating from the 1960s/70s - was the last straw.

Yunus seems to be very strongly connected to the US throughout his life.

here is the linkage, saar

is one of the major players in the coup who we think it is

al jazeera headlines



Nobel laureate Muhammad Yunus to lead Bangladesh interim government

The microfinance pioneer has been tapped to lead an interim government after the ouster of PM Sheikh Hasina.

Interesting that this clown is being pitched as the "the protesting students' choice" while the puppet meisters lurk in the shadows

Nobel laureate Muhammad Yunus chosen to lead interim government in Bangladesh

Muhammad Yunus, a Nobel laureate, and the protesting students' choice to be the chief adviser to the interim government in Bangladesh, has been chosen to lead interim government.

https://www.indiatoday.in/world/story/n ... 2024-08-06






BTW, this is what was reported in al jazeera on 6 May 2012

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2012/5/6 ... tical-calm

Grameen Bank controversy

Clinton also warned the government not to interfere in the functioning of pioneering micro-lender Grameen Bank, saying that it was a key driver of economic growth in the South Asian country.


She met with Grameen’s ousted founder – Nobel Prize-winning economics professor Mohammad Yunus – and later voiced strong support for the organisation, which has fallen out of favour with Bangladesh’s ruling party.

“I have followed the dispute over Grameen Bank from Washington and I can only hope that nothing is done that in any way undermines the success of what Grameen Bank has accomplished,” Clinton told the audience at the public question-and-answer session.

“I highly respect Mohammad Yunus and I highly respect the work that he has done and I am hoping to see it continue without being in anyway undermined or affected by any government action. That would be unfortunate.”

Clinton is the first senior US official to visit Bangladesh since 2004, and has used the trip to bolster Grameen and Yunus himself, who was sacked as the bank’s chief last year after the government declared that at 71 years of age, he was beyond the official retirement limit.

Yunus’ supporters say that he was removed as part of a political vendetta by Hasina’s government’s against a potential future challenger to her rule.

The government has not yet named a successor as head of the bank.

Around 10 million Bangladeshis, mostly poor women, have been benefited by small credit offered by the Grameen. The beneficiaries say the money immensely helped them fight – and largely come out of – poverty.

Clinton is a personal friend of Yunus and met with him for about 45 minutes at the US ambassador’s residence before the town hall meeting.

Last month, Bangladesh’s government said it would investigate 54 businesses linked to the Grameen Bank because they had not been authorised by the bank’s board.

A government investigation last year found that the bank had violated its charter by creating affiliates that did not benefit the bank’s shareholders.

Yunus maintains that those social businesses are independent and should not be integrated into any state-owned institutions.

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Yunus founded Grameen Bank in 1983 to provide small loans to entrepreneurs who would not normally qualify to receive them. The bank’s success in lifting people out of poverty led to similar microfinancing efforts in other countries.

He ran into trouble with Hasina in 2008, when her administration launched a series of investigations into him. He had announced he would form a political party in 2007 when the country was run by a military-backed government, but did not follow through.

During the investigations, Hasina accused Yunus of using force and other means to recover loans from poor rural women as the head of Grameen Bank. Yunus denied the allegations.

He was put on trial in 2013 on charges of receiving money without government permission, including his Nobel Prize and royalties from a book. He later faced more charges involving other companies he created, including Grameen Telecom, which is part of the country’s largest mobile phone company, Grameenphone, a subsidiary of Norwegian telecom giant Telenor.

In 2023, some former Grameen Telecom workers filed a case against Yunus accusing him of siphoning off their job benefits. He denied the accusations.

Earlier this year, a special judge’s court in Bangladesh indicted Yunus and 13 others on charges over the $2m embezzlement case. Yunus pleaded not guilty and is out on bail for now.

[KL Dubey]

Whichever way one wants to slice it, at the end of the day, it is now an inescapable fact that India has been completely surrounded by forces inimical to it and almost all of India's borders have become directly accessible to hostile elements.

Perfectly summed up Chetak ji!

Yes, but this is nothing new. Other than a short "honeymoon" period with BD after 1971, when since 1947 has there been a time that we had significant friendly forces around us/on the borders ? The overall populace/mindset/political system of all our neighbors have been inimical to us, even when the "ruler of the day" in these countries was relatively friendly. And on top of that, external actors influencing these countries as well as influencing our internal security.

All great powers must pass through such times and survive (in fact, come out stronger). Others perish. This is 100% up to us.

[KL Dubey]

Dubey ji,

he may not even be a mulla walla but long since crypto converted to another flavor of the desert cults

He has had the long time backing of the clintons, especially the personal backing of poisonous and snake rearing spouse and the deep state denizens of foggy bottom

He will be brought in as the new beedi president, sooner rather than later.

I am aware of his entire background and connections, which I communicated in one line.

[KL Dubey]

I thought that 90s was the worst time for India now but I am afraid of this decade.
Afraid because we have converted our Army into police and forgotten to use force. Blinken has blinkered his friend Jai and awards seem to have softened Modi. Hope I am wrong !
Our constant coddling of Pakistan makes us look weak and we haven’t really hit out after 1971 while Unkil prepared for that version of India. Those plans are now being put in action. They have enough Xtian influence in south to protect their investments there, rest of the country is open game.

Assume the worst (i.e., you are 100% right), then watch the events and hopefully feel better.

[chetak]

Perfectly summed up Chetak ji!

Yes, but this is nothing new. Other than a short "honeymoon" period with BD after 1971, when since 1947 has there been a time that we had significant friendly forces around us/on the borders ? The overall populace/mindset/political system of all our neighbors have been inimical to us, even when the "ruler of the day" in these countries was relatively friendly. And on top of that, external actors influencing these countries as well as influencing our internal security.

All great powers must pass through such times and survive (in fact, come out stronger). Others perish. This is 100% up to us.

Indeed and one agrees with you completely, Dubey ji

There is nothing new anywhere in the world

It has all been done by previously, by someone, somewhere, in other situations, in other countries and at other times

BTW, There was never a honeymoon period ever with the beedis.

Those forces which opposed India, those bengali forces supported by the paki army, continued to oppose India, even during the liberation war and actually became even more virulent after the war and the formation of beediland

The rest were, very simply put, "taqiya" in play and that fooled many dumb Hindus, even as the killing of Hindus continued and continues unabated to this very day

[KL Dubey]

There is nothing new anywhere in the world

I was speaking specifically about Bharat and our neighborhood.

But yeah, generally....if we think about it, countries and borders exist because of past conflicts/enmities that will inevitably sour relations again at one point or another, often with other players involved.

I would say we are relatively lucky, because 70% of our present boundaries are either the ocean or a 20,000 ft high wall.

[chetak]

There is nothing new anywhere in the world

I was speaking specifically about Bharat and our neighborhood.

But yeah, generally....if we think about it, countries and borders exist because of past conflicts/enmities that will inevitably sour relations again at one point or another, often with other players involved.

I would say we are relatively lucky, because 70% of our present boundaries are either the ocean or a 20,000 ft high wall.

Dubey ji,


On India's part, it was appeasement and jizya paid to the beedis, in exchange for some relative peace and minimal pest control services from a jihadi neighbour. No more, no less, hasina or no hasina

It cost India $billions to keep them somewhat happy. Much of our "aid" vanished into deep and dark pockets


Our 70% ocean boundaries have long been breached by the BIF via beediland, SL, and the maldives using routes in west bengal, TN and KER and GUJ, while our 20.000 ft high wall has been breached by the cheen in a eyeball to eyeball standoff in ladakh and other locales in this region

[chanakyaa]

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I have consulted both with high end apparel and textile (only India) sectors in both countries. India, had minimal inputs in building up their sector. Yes, garment factories employ a lot of Indian managers, but the fact remains that we never subsidized them. And we own many of the garment factories in BD. Hitting them would be difficult. Frankly speaking, BD garments sector is way more capable and competitive than India. So perish the thought.

Yes, we should look at economic tools, but there's no sooper-dooper economic weapons India has. They are one of our biggest export destinations, and our we import a decent amount from them. Furthermore Indian professionals remitted more than USD 10 billion in last six years.
...

Totally agree with the interdependence and evolution of the Textile and Clothing (T&C) industry in India and Bangladesh. Although India may not have physically build factories for Bangladesh, it appears that the trade policies between two countries may have ensured support for Beedie's garment industry (i.e. lower or no tariffs, duties etc.).

Looks like pre-2005, the Multi-Fibre Agreement (MFA), as a developing country India was exposed to quotas under MFA that restrained its T&C exports beyond a prescribed limit. This resulted in an exodus of Indian T&C manufacturers and exporters into Bangladesh to access the quota-free global market. Post-2005 abolition of MFA trade policies between India and Bangladesh has been supportive of T&C industry in both countries, which may have helped the industry in BD. if this country ends up in the hands of Jee-haddies should the support for T&C industry continue?

Some background The Textile-Clothing Value Chain in India and Bangladesh

[KL Dubey]

One more data point, didnt Hasina recently cut short a trip to Sugarland and return in a huff? I dont recall why, except that indian companies were awarded a water project afterwards. Maybe it was not about the project at all.

[chanakyaa]

Whichever way one wants to slice it, at the end of the day, it is now an inescapable fact that India has been completely surrounded by forces inimical to it and almost all of India's borders have become directly accessible to hostile elements....

if things are beyond repair, then they should face the music (SL 2.0), first economic collapse and then $$ debt comes due (Source BD) How can Bangladesh manage its external debt?

[chetak]

One more data point, didnt Hasina recently cut short a trip to Sugarland and return in a huff? I dont recall why, except that indian companies were awarded a water project afterwards. Maybe it was not about the project at all.

Dubey ji,

was the water project accepted by any Indian company or even agreed to by the GoI ....


she walked out of the cheen meeting half way, causing a huge loss of face to the cheenis who are hugely paranoid about "loss of face"

She was initially offered cheeni "aid" with a figure that had an astounding number of zeros tacked on, but at the actual meeting, she wad given a mere pittance and those astounding number of zeros were conspicuously and insultingly missing.

beedi auntie did her nut and walked out.

and that, I guess, was her swan song

and now, she is cooling her heels in dilli, unwept, unhonored, and unsung, and quietly sipping Indian water,

[KL Dubey]

I was speaking specifically about Bharat and our neighborhood.

But yeah, generally....if we think about it, countries and borders exist because of past conflicts/enmities that will inevitably sour relations again at one point or another, often with other players involved.

I would say we are relatively lucky, because 70% of our present boundaries are either the ocean or a 20,000 ft high wall.

Dubey ji,


On India's part, it was appeasement and jizya paid to the beedis, in exchange for some relative peace and minimal pest control services from a jihadi neighbour. No more, no less, hasina or no hasina

It cost India $billions to keep them somewhat happy. Much of our "aid" vanished into deep and dark pockets


Our 70% ocean boundaries have long been breached by the BIF via beediland, SL, and the maldives using routes in west bengal, TN and KER and GUJ, while our 20.000 ft high wall has been breached by the cheen in a eyeball to eyeball standoff in ladakh and other locales in this region

Well, you're fawked then....

Relax a bit. Sometimes neither the pen nor the sword is useful. Find fresh air and calm environs while you still can.

Bharat sashakt hai. Vande mataram!

[Pratyush]

if things are beyond repair, then they should face the music (SL 2.0), first economic collapse and then $$ debt comes due (Source BD) How can Bangladesh manage its external debt?

If the regime change is engineered by the USA. Then you can be sure that they will bankroll the BDs for the next few years.

Secondly, have they succeeded in altering the religious demographics of Bangladesh. That they can use parts of India, Bangladesh and Burma to Carve out a Cristian nation from parts of the 3 nations.

Third, what's the endgame?
We have seen a lot of emotional posts about the loss India has suffered because of what's happened in Bangladesh. But if the US is behind this, then what is the desired final outcome for them. Is it to reduce Indian access to the North East?
India had that access through Bangladesh via rail line only for a very short while.

Surely it cannot be to reduce Indian access to east asia. As India can reach them through different ports located on the east coast.

I am trying to figure out what is being sought to be achieved by the US in Bangladesh through this regime change operation?

[bala]

Clinton also warned the government not to interfere in the functioning of pioneering micro-lender Grameen Bank, saying that it was a key driver of economic growth in the South Asian country.
...

Earlier this year, a special judge’s court in Bangladesh indicted Yunus and 13 others on charges over the $2m embezzlement case. Yunus pleaded not guilty and is out on bail for now.

The Clinton's are famous for embezzlement of Hondurus aid, they made a huge fanfare and later looted the aid money that was sent generously by donors in the US. The poor Hondurus people never got any money on the ground. I am not surprised their close buddies like Yunus has been indicted, maybe he borrowed the formula from the Clintons.

[bala]

I am trying to figure out what is being sought to be achieved by the US in Bangladesh through this regime change operation?

The same answer as why the US wants the Pukes. Big power wants to be immanent (goes through all) सर्वगत (all pervading)!

[RCase]

We are paying for the sins of electing geo-politically non-strategic leaders like Nehru and his clan, including Indira Gandhi. None of them very really intellectually sharp.Indira Gandhi might have been ballsy and tactically shrewd in internal politics, but lacked deep understanding of geography and history.

Plus we were feed the ahimsa BS of Gandhi and even the armed forces are culpable of proudly proclaiming that India has never invaded any country or coveted the land of others. Defensive game will always be a losing venture. We has seen this historically from the times of the Islamic invaders and looters. They alway brought the fight to our lands and we always played defense and tried to block them. We never took the fight to their lands. They never suffered any loss of their lands, monuments, women etc. All it took was for them to breach our defenses a few times. It has been a net loss of ou lands over the years. Let us contrast this with the kingdoms of the south that expanded in south east asia. Even though those lands were later on 'lost', the south was relatively free of invaders.

Nehru did not try to retain Balochistan, KPK, fight for Lahore, When Jinnah could persuade the Brits to award Lahore and Karachi to them, even though they were Hindu majorities, He forwent Nankana Sahib, Kashmir and Tibet, agreeing to a NE without port access, Siliguri corridor etc. Nehru was geographically clueless. I wondering what the hell he was Discovering India (Probably did a better job of Discovering Edwina). Even letting these small countries like Nepal, SL, Maldives, Bhutan in our neighborhood to be independent entities, instead of amalgamating them into the union. Nehru should have checked up with his inspirational role models of communist/ socialist leaders of his time.

Despite all the aura surrounding Indira Gandhi, she too was an intellectual lightweight when it came to geography. Why should India send its army to liberate a country and lose thousands of its armed forces for no gain? There was no need to agree to the boundaries drawn up by the Brits to create BD. We should have extracted our pound of flesh with Mujibur - 'We create BD, but with redrawn boundaries or let the Pakis slaughter you'. With the Paki surrender debacle, we once again failed to capitalize on this situation. We should have created an enclave within BD to repatriate all those refugees who streamed in from BD. Why take in refugees and integrate them into India. Also sort out port and transportation access. Why did she allow BD to have an army, airforce and navy. They are hemmed in on all sides by India. If you let them have an army, then the Indian forces will have to deployed against Pakistan, China and BD. With the contours of BD being surrounded by India, we would have to set up a sizeable force around the entire border. Also was a great opportunity to completely defang the Paki military establishment and make the return of POWs contingent upon the Paki armed forces being completely wound up.

The Nehru clan couldn't even think like the Brits, French, Americans, Russians or Chinese who controlled lands far away from the main centers, giving them strategic advantages over the forthcoming years.

[RCase]

if things are beyond repair, then they should face the music (SL 2.0), first economic collapse and then $$ debt comes due (Source BD) How can Bangladesh manage its external debt?

If the regime change is engineered by the USA. Then you can be sure that they will bankroll the BDs for the next few years.

Secondly, have they succeeded in altering the religious demographics of Bangladesh. That they can use parts of India, Bangladesh and Burma to Carve out a Cristian nation from parts of the 3 nations.

Third, what's the endgame?
We have seen a lot of emotional posts about the loss India has suffered because of what's happened in Bangladesh. But if the US is behind this, then what is the desired final outcome for them. Is it to reduce Indian access to the North East?
India had that access through Bangladesh via rail line only for a very short while.

Surely it
cannot be to reduce Indian access to east asia. As India can reach them through different ports located on the east coast.

I am trying to figure out what is being sought to be achieved by the US in Bangladesh through this regime change operation?

The Amriki thought process is quite different from the Indian thought process of Ahimsa, we are peace loving defensive onlee.
Why do you think US can projects power all over the globe and dictates terms to other countries or impose sanctions? Having land under your control always gives strategic advantage. Just look at the areas under their control - Guantanamo Bay in Cuba, Guam, Bahrain, Diego Garcia and more. They happily pocketed the oil in Iraq.

They are in fact using Sam, Dham, Bhed, Dand niti effectively. Form allies/ poodle states, NATO members. Bribe states like Terroristan to happily perform Dron Acharaya launches, U2 spy plane runs etc. Impose sanctions and coercive tactics on countries that don't follow their line and then regime change the 'bad dudes'.

With Bangladesh, it gives them another place to be nosy against India and China. Never know when it might be useful. Also gives them power projection in the IOR. Always better to take the fight elsewhere than just sit and defend your borders all the time. Who has taken the fight to mainland US. Even Pearl Harbor in WW II was far-far away from mainland. While the US drops bombs all over the world and Def Secs come on TV smuggly brushing off casualties in other countries as collateral damage (they excel at jalebi verbiage). However when OBL brought on the fight to NYC, all hell broke loose including waging war against a countries that were not involved with Al-Qaida.

I don't think NE control is an objective. That would be more of a rapacious Chini wet dream.

[SRajesh]

Pratyushji
Me thinks NE is not 'The Objective"
The main objective is how to break 'Bharat' into smaller pieces so as to control it or atleast make it into Indian Union (a la EU type).
Why do you think idiots in the South demanding separate Southern sate??
Why the 'Suddenly Enlightened' one from the Shores of "Thighland' has been spouting that India is an Union of States.??
Why the need for caste Census?
Imagine SCENARIOS of Southern State : Tamils being Tamils there will be complete dominance with caste hatred and Xian control
NE will be Xian dominated.
MH/Guj being market oriented would join up
Punj n Har with their Khalistan and Jat dominated Pizza n Dry Fruit business
And that would leave 'Bimaru States' with Dilli and Hindi?
If I an armchair 'Think Tank' Eggsprut could come up with this just think what the 'Deep State' would be unto??
And this would give Munna a new pasture to graze on after repeating the horrors of "Direct Action Day' in Punjab/Har.
Beedis to move north and West.
This way Water to the heartland would be controlled. Industrial belt and the Business Capital out of reach.
All that would leave is Kashi Mathura and Ayodhya!!!
We have endured more than 1000 yrs of 'subjugation' without loosing core identity!! This time around the BIF's have recognised that and the main objective is not trying to erase that identity but to limits its area of influence!!

[chetak]

Dubey ji,


On India's part, it was appeasement and jizya paid to the beedis, in exchange for some relative peace and minimal pest control services from a jihadi neighbour. No more, no less, hasina or no hasina

It cost India $billions to keep them somewhat happy. Much of our "aid" vanished into deep and dark pockets


Our 70% ocean boundaries have long been breached by the BIF via beediland, SL, and the maldives using routes in west bengal, TN and KER and GUJ, while our 20.000 ft high wall has been breached by the cheen in a eyeball to eyeball standoff in ladakh and other locales in this region

Well, you're fawked then....

Relax a bit. Sometimes neither the pen nor the sword is useful. Find fresh air and calm environs while you still can.

Bharat sashakt hai. Vande mataram!

Indeed we are, Dubey ji.


isis flags have been displayed by some in the rampaging beedi gangs and that visibility is increasing by the day

and the very convenient ploy of "because the students want it" meme driving the "choice" of yunus mian as head of the interim govt has been made by the shadowy puppet meisters, hence it's more than likely that he will also be "elected" to head the new govt as PM.

Also the beedis need this harmless looking but venomous old coot to keep conning India into giving them "aid", as also rolling over the Indian loans so their cheeni patrons are not burdened into committing their money to prevent the beedis from defaulting on their loans.

Earlier I was thinking that he would slot in as the president but the pm, who is the head of govt, is far more powerful and easier for the puppet meisters to deal with.

When was the current govt either dismissed or superseded, or was the announcement of the formation of the interim govt enough to render the previous govt as defunct

the beedi action on the st martin's island issue will be very revealing

[madhu]

The Pukes and Cheen/Emperor hand is very clear in this YT by Sumit Peer in PGurus. ISI, ISIS, China PLA, Islamic jihadi groups in BD are all in synch. Cheen provided cash in local currency. We have seen disturbances in NE and Myanmar. SH was asked for airbase land by the Cheen on BD island (St martin island) near Chittagong, which was refused. Some planning with the Pukes was done in UK (yeah what is new!). Cheen anger is all over the place on SH and BD. There is tacit joining of hands between the Cheens and US Deep State, it is kumbaya all the way between them. Minority massacre (and some has happened already) is on the cards in BD, now that Pukes are closely involved.

i do not go by Sumit Peer. his analysis is horrible and not good at connecting dots. better is AIM but best is DEF - TALKS by Aadi. what will China gain in creating a Christians country next to its door? but this will help US in keeping a control on India and US. US what's to control India as they do not like India's "Strategic autonomy".

if China has done this Coup then why install Younis (a US stooge) being propped up? why will china allow this? his analysis SH was asked for airbase land by the Cheen on BD island (St martin island) near Chittagong is again foolish. btw is there a working military base in coco island? some time back China was developing a runway there?

i feel it is by US.

[Tanaji]

The Bangladesh coup is a dress rehearsal for getting a more pliable India that is more amenable to western interests. The West needs India to toe their line either in the form of cannon fodder for the various conflicts or for providing cheap ammunition. The current GoI is staying out of it and hence it needs to go. They tried in 2024 by providing massive analytics and only partly succeeded.

The aims are many fold:

• Get a government in Bangladesh that can offer them a base for actions against China. Bonus points since they have a port. The added advantage is that if a conflict with China kicks off then it brings it so much closer to Indian shores
• Hasten the fall of current government: they still think its possible to do it as a maidan uprising or at the very least influence 2029 elections. The attempt is to show Modi is powerless and his words empty since he cant even influence Bangladesh. This is just one of the levers in a multi pronged approach
• Keep the north east boiling by pushing more refugees into India - another of the levers by lighting many fires across India
• At some point, use Mamta to either carve out a separate region for Rohingyas citing them as a separate identity
• With the Centre weakened, try to carve out a separate nation for the seven sister states citing Chrisitian majority - this is unlikely but a wet dream of the evangelical section of the Trumpists

[nits]

We have been discussing to death and all valid points on who is behind it; why they did it; how this will impact us and what not. Should we start discussing how we can fix this... and not just about BD but across region ( minus Pak)

what if tomorrow we see same in SL and Nepal ?

[nits]

BTW the irony - a Muslim Prime Minister of a Muslim Nation took Shelter in a Hindu Nation ( majority) ignoring all other 50+ Muslim States of the world...

[chetak]

The Pukes and Cheen/Emperor hand is very clear in this YT by Sumit Peer in PGurus. ISI, ISIS, China PLA, Islamic jihadi groups in BD are all in synch. Cheen provided cash in local currency. We have seen disturbances in NE and Myanmar. SH was asked for airbase land by the Cheen on BD island (St martin island) near Chittagong, which was refused. Some planning with the Pukes was done in UK (yeah what is new!). Cheen anger is all over the place on SH and BD. There is tacit joining of hands between the Cheens and US Deep State, it is kumbaya all the way between them. Minority massacre (and some has happened already) is on the cards in BD, now that Pukes are closely involved.

i do not go by Sumit Peer. his analysis is horrible and not good at connecting dots. better is AIM but best is DEF - TALKS by Aadi. what will China gain in creating a Christians country next to its door? but this will help US in keeping a control on India and US. US what's to control India as they do not like India's "Strategic autonomy".

if China has done this Coup then why install Younis (a US stooge) being propped up? why will china allow this? his analysis SH was asked for airbase land by the Cheen on BD island (St martin island) near Chittagong is again foolish. btw is there a working military base in coco island? some time back China was developing a runway there?

i feel it is by US.

Madhu Boss,

a little pedagogic generosity and kindness would be much appreciated

How does one search for AIM and what is it

pliss to enlighten as we are the aam aadmis onlee

[sanjayc]

BTW the irony - a Muslim Prime Minister of a Muslim Nation took Shelter in a Hindu Nation ( majority) ignoring all other 50+ Muslim States of the world...

Have you ever seen a Muslim illegally migrating to a Muslim country? They all make a beeline to Western countries or India / Bhutan or any other infidel land. This is Hijra. They are trained to migrate to infidel lands to establish their presence and eventually capture it by strategically increasing their population by marrying local women. They have a morbid obsession with capturing land and women of infidels. It is a mental sickness that caters to animal instincts of men. I read somewhere that even the Maldivian dudes, faced with the prospects of sinking of their island chain due to global warming, requested Indian govt. some years back to give them some land in India where they can resettle their population. They did not send any request to Pakistan or Bangladesh or Afghanistan.

[madhu]

How does one search for AIM and what is it

pliss to enlighten as we are the aam aadmis onlee

AIM is "Abhijit Iyer Mitra", he was coming on Pguru but fought with Sri Iyer thinking him to be Casteist. now he appears in different channels but do not have one of his own. you can hear to his analysis on The Cārvāka Podcast where he might give his version. apart from Adi, you can also check out Abhijit Chavda

[chetak]

The Pukes and Cheen/Emperor hand is very clear in this YT by Sumit Peer in PGurus. ISI, ISIS, China PLA, Islamic jihadi groups in BD are all in synch. Cheen provided cash in local currency. We have seen disturbances in NE and Myanmar. SH was asked for airbase land by the Cheen on BD island (St martin island) near Chittagong, which was refused. Some planning with the Pukes was done in UK (yeah what is new!). Cheen anger is all over the place on SH and BD. There is tacit joining of hands between the Cheens and US Deep State, it is kumbaya all the way between them. Minority massacre (and some has happened already) is on the cards in BD, now that Pukes are closely involved.

i do not go by Sumit Peer. his analysis is horrible and not good at connecting dots. better is AIM but best is DEF - TALKS by Aadi. what will China gain in creating a Christians country next to its door? but this will help US in keeping a control on India and US. US what's to control India as they do not like India's "Strategic autonomy".

if China has done this Coup then why install Younis (a US stooge) being propped up? why will china allow this? his analysis SH was asked for airbase land by the Cheen on BD island (St martin island) near Chittagong is again foolish. btw is there a working military base in coco island? some time back China was developing a runway there?

i feel it is by US.

madhu ji,

hasina said that she was approached by a white man. If true, then the cheenis are ruled out but then again they may have aligned temporarily with the culinary institute against India, their common enemy

Among others, the US has also shown interest in the st martin island.

hasina had not only badly ruffled cheeni feathers, but she had also deeply offended the cheenis by trying to play the old game of cheen vs India in an effort to try and maximize monetary inflows. I am certain that the full contours of the demands made by the cheenis to the beedis has yet to emerge.

This was the root cause of her disastrous cheen visit and may be it also precipitated the fatal fiasco that followed

hasina is now in India, revealing things to the Modi govt that had been kept secret till now, by both the beedi and the cheeni govts, as also any insights she may have and details of approaches made by various other govts that hasina is able to provide.

the beedis will almost certainly become an islamic republic/state very soon, which they were not all these days.

yunus is an amriki puppet, the army chief, who BTW, is married into the hasina extended family, which was the reason hasina appointed him army chief, is a cheeni puppet, and that family connection was the sole reason that hasina and her sister were allowed to escape alive to India

the beedi jamat is a major player, as is the isis, and so are the pakis and the BNP the opposition party, whose chief is sitting in the uk

The entire gamut of forces currently arrayed in beediland has a distinct and virulent anti India flavor

The failed coup in India has agitated many in the BIF who spent huge treasure and time in trying to unseat Modi ji via the active interference in the 2024 elections

wait for the dust to settle and things may become clearer in the coming days

[chetak]

How does one search for AIM and what is it

pliss to enlighten as we are the aam aadmis onlee

AIM is "Abhijit Iyer Mitra", he was coming on Pguru but fought with Sri Iyer thinking him to be Casteist. now he appears in different channels but do not have one of his own. you can hear to his analysis on The Cārvāka Podcast where he might give his version. apart from Adi, you can also check out Abhijit Chavda

Many thanks saar.

[sanman]

Senior Congi leader Salman Khurshid has claimed Bangladesh style uprising could happen in India

(I"m sure he'd love to get regime change by any means possible)

[Pratyush]

Yes, it's possible for a regime change to happen in Delhi. But it will not be because of street protests. It will be because of political maneuvering between political leaders.

Delhi by the structure of the Indian state is completely insulated from regime change using street protests. All Modi has to do is divert protesters against the CMs of their respective states. By saying that the elected chief ministers are responsibility for the economic and job generation performance of respective states. That is the purpose of competitive federalism and the ease of doing business for states.

IOW, the tactics that the opposition is thinking about using against Modi. Is equally applicable against the chief ministers of opposition ruled states.

[sanjayc]

Street protests don't lead to regime change anywhere. It is the military which does it. Even in BD, the military gave Hasina an ultimatum to leave the country in 45 minutes, causing her to flee. If the military was with her, students would easily have been arrested or pushed back into hostels. Just break legs of a dozen student "leaders" and rest of the students won't be seen anywhere.

As long as India's military is apolitical and dominated by Hindus, there is no threat of any regime change due to street protests. These protests are easily tackled.

Americans worked on BD Generals to engineer this. Street protests were just for the show as "mass uprising."

[Mukesh.Kumar]

Street protests don't lead to regime change anywhere. It is the military which does it. Even in BD, the military gave Hasina an ultimatum to leave the country in 45 minutes, causing her to flee. If the military was with her, students would easily have been arrested or pushed back into hostels. Just break legs of a dozen student "leaders" and rest of the students won't be seen anywhere.

As long as India's military is apolitical and dominated by Hindus, there is no threat of any regime change due to street protests. These protests are easily tackled.

Americans worked on BD Generals to engineer this. Street protests were just for the show as "mass uprising."

SanjayC, the military went with the flow. In the initial days, RAB (composed of deputed Army and Police) were against the rioters and killed many.

but though students were in the forefront, the organization was provided by others, and the muscle on the streets in the latter days was covert political workers and JeI elements.

The Army saw the tide turning and stepped in. One thing to remember is that the Army and Awami league government had an uneasy coexistense. The 2009 Pilkhana revolt of the BDR (after which it was disbanded) is still an unsolved mystery. Large sections of teh Bangladeshi population believe that the killing of Army officers who were deputed to BDR was instigated by the Awami League to cut the Army to size.

Further reading: The Unsolved Mystery of the BDR Mutiny

[Neela]

So what leverage does India have on BD?
There are two perceptions out of this coup that will have major long lasting effect for us.
1. The inability of the Indian state to manage the neighbors.
2. The inability of the Indian state to protect its civilizational progeny aka Hindus.

Something has to give.
My guess : Pak will pay the price. Pak-BD channels and behind-the-scenes men are potential targets now.

Or

The Modi-Putin meet was an earlier outcome of eventualities in BD. A different 1971.