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Manish_P wrote: 09 Aug 2024 12:43
chetak wrote: 09 Aug 2024 11:10 ....

The fact is that raincoat (as FM) was an external imposition done on India by powerful international financial agencies as part of their conditions for giving India an emergency loan of $2.2 billion from the International Monetary Fund whereby India pledged 67 tons of her gold reserves as collateral security.

raincoat always had the mentality of an employee, risk averse, and trained to follow orders like the babooze he always was. The movers and shakers are always the owners, who, at times are willing to risk it all and bet the farm. and PVNR had both qualities necessary, the intellectual heft, as well as, the political savvy to effectively manage an unruly minority govt and greedy allies. raincoat was paki friendly, something which is a huge plus point, both with the BIF, and the eyetaalian mafia...
+1 Well pointed out Chetak ji.

Before being appointed (or imposed) as the FM, Mr. Singh was head of several critical posts like Chief Economic Advisor, Head of Planning Commission. Why couldn't he prevent India from slipping down into a financial emergency?

You are right, Manish saar.

For the longest time, raincoat was very close to the levers of financial power, with the mandate to optimize and improve the fundamentals of the economy but his performance was sadly found lacking, thereby leading India down the rabbit hole, from one disaster to another. Certainly, there were other politicos too who also have to shoulder their share the blame but none of them were as highly qualified or even as financially savvy as raincoat was.

Slice it any which way, he simply cannot shirk off his part of the responsibility for the sorry state of affairs

But in congi patented politics, the higher you rise, the thicker the teflon coating becomes, except in the case of Modi ji, where he is solely responsible for everything starting from the arrival of the jihadi hordes who pillaged and plundered their way through India in all those centuries past, right up to the partition, demonetization and now, the beedi fiasco.
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I think this Neighbor First policy needs to come with some caveats. Any anti India behavior will come at a severe cost. Similar to the fear US instills in all the countries - sanctions, military show of force, invasion etc.

Always let it be known that Indian WILL wield a big stick if any of them fall out of line or try the India vs. China game at the detriment of India.

We wouldn't have Maldives, SL, Nepal, Bhutan and BD push India around. Spare the rod and spoil the child...!
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Manish_P wrote: 09 Aug 2024 13:06
sanman wrote: 09 Aug 2024 11:01 ...
Shows what a bunch of idiots the students are, hoping that an old man in decline with no governing experience can save them.
Like most dumb student activists, their dreams will receive a rude awakening.
Was it a demand of the students that M Yunus be made to take charge?

This looks like the good old Paki style army coup... done on behest of and with blessings of Khan. Aim is to cut Indian influence first and then India itself.



Manish ji,

The ISI has all along had a huge influence on the jaamat, built up and consolidated ever since those fateful days in 1971. These were the razakaars

those children begotten in 1971/72, after the officially decreed rapes of the beedi women by the paki army, today form the bulk of paki brainwashed anti India and anti Hindu forces that drive these "students"

both cheen and amriki are focussed on the chicken neck / siliguri corridor as the first pressure point in their intimidation of India.

Our next steps will be crucial to defeating this objective


Yunus was picked by President Mohammed Shahabuddin to lead an interim government, fulfilling a key demand of the student protest leaders.

meaning, the yunus pick was carefully orchestrated, and also quickly cemented ...... the sheep and the shepherd
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chetak wrote: 09 Aug 2024 12:54 sanman Ji,


Don't fall for that hoary old chestnut about "students" being the drivers of change

they are in actual fact, the driven flocks of sheep, easy to point in any direction and and they always look to the shepherd to lead them

"students" are a false narrative, being propped up solely to shield the shepherds and disguise the real agenda of these snakes and sharks

To blame the "mobs" is a normal jihadi strategy because "mobs" are without brain and by definition given to loot, pillage, rape, and violence

and, job done they simply dissolve into the thin air leaving no trace behind, until the next time, when they once again conjured up, out of the thin air

This is an age old tactic, since refined by commie and jihadi "leaders" deployed from times immemorial.

Look how it worked out during the french revolution
Manish_P wrote: 09 Aug 2024 13:06 Was it a demand of the students that M Yunus be made to take charge?

This looks like the good old Paki style army coup... done on behest of and with blessings of Khan. Aim is to cut Indian influence first and then India itself.
Mukesh.Kumar wrote: 09 Aug 2024 13:12
Sanman, good observation. But his planting was a long term project. BD as a country of perennial bad news, went crazy the day he got awarded the Nobel Prize in 2006. I remember like it was an undeclared public holiday. Though offices were open, no one worked.

Next year before the election, when the army was takking over, he floated the idea that he would form an independent party. It was a pseudo -election for legitimacy- He asked people to send him SMSes to show their support. It fizzled out.

The stage was set. I think that this time also, the idea was planted among the student leaders, and then given support from outside.

All I will say is that I wish BD all the best. May they live in interesting times.
chetak wrote: 09 Aug 2024 12:54 sanman Ji,
Don't fall for that hoary old chestnut about "students" being the drivers of change they are in actual fact, the driven flocks of sheep, easy to point in any direction and and they always look to the shepherd to lead them "students" are a false narrative, being propped up solely to shield the shepherds and disguise the real agenda of these snakes and sharks To blame the "mobs" is a normal jihadi strategy because "mobs" are without brain and by definition given to loot, pillage, rape, and violence and, job done they simply dissolve into the thin air leaving no trace behind, until the next time, when they once again conjured up, out of the thin air This is an age old tactic, since refined by commie and jihadi "leaders" deployed from times immemorial. Look how it worked out during the french revolution
- Satya vachan Chetakji.

Students aren't steering any change, they just fueled the street anarchy which facilitated/lubricated the overthrow.

I keep noticing the situation in Thailand, which seems like a close counterpart to Bangladesh.

The dictatorial ruling regime in Bangkok is backed by the US, while China has backed various movements which have not yet been successful in overthrowing it.

Thailand seems ripe for its own Bangla-style uprising. Regime change there would put the US on the back foot in the region.
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RCase wrote: 09 Aug 2024 13:18 ...

Sir ji, how could he? After all he was a sarkari babu. The first right to all the resources of the country belonged to one profligate, socialist preaching, family run enterprise that perpetuated the license and rent seeking raj who was his real boss.
Precisely the point RCase ji.

There were other Sarkari babus too

He was picked because he would ensure that he would not take any step harmful to his bosses (in India).. and their bosses (outside India). And also quietly accept being the fall guy in case the project went badly.

He was not wearing a rain coat... he was the raincoat.

M. Yunus ticks all the same check boxes.
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Manish_P wrote: 09 Aug 2024 14:32
RCase wrote: 09 Aug 2024 13:18 ...

Sir ji, how could he? After all he was a sarkari babu. The first right to all the resources of the country belonged to one profligate, socialist preaching, family run enterprise that perpetuated the license and rent seeking raj who was his real boss.
Precisely the point RCase ji.

There were other Sarkari babus too

He was picked because he would ensure that he would not take any step harmful to his bosses (in India).. and their bosses (outside India). And also quietly accept being the fall guy in case the project went badly.

He was not wearing a rain coat... he was the raincoat.

M. Yunus ticks all the same check boxes.

Manish ji,


It's more than likely that MMS was "deep selected" during his cambridge days by the BIF deep state

BTW, narayana murty, even at the late stage, has started to feel his oats again

he is already singing peans to the beedi yunus, and murty was a board member with the fraud foundation. black lentils onlee
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I can believe it

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sanman wrote: 09 Aug 2024 14:04 ..

The dictatorial ruling regime in Bangkok is backed by the US, ...
like our dear neighbour Jihadistan, where the uniformed jihadis quickly shoved their dandas so far up the backend of Kaptaans jazbaati youthias that it has damaged their vocal chords. The Fauj removed the loudspeakers as well (social media).
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chetak wrote: 09 Aug 2024 15:18 ...
It's more than likely that MMS was "deep selected" during his cambridge days by the BIF deep state

BTW, narayana murty, even at the late stage, has started to feel his oats again

he is already singing peans to the beedi yunus, and murty was a board member with the fraud foundation. black lentils onlee
And the 3R man who became active just before the elections. He could likely have been MMS 2.024 if the prince had less ego and more brains like Mata ji.

A combination of manufacturing heft (India) and low cost labour (Bangladesh) would be just the thing for the US to substitute (placate their industry) and take on the Dragon eventually
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chetak wrote: 09 Aug 2024 13:46 ...
Yunus was picked by President Mohammed Shahabuddin to lead an interim government, fulfilling a key demand of the student protest leaders.

meaning, the yunus pick was carefully orchestrated, and also quickly cemented ...... the sheep and the shepherd
@chetak ji, gr8 posts as always, pranam. packaging the toppling of Hasina govt. as a response to "student led protests" is a nice attempt to avoid calling it a color revolution or arab spring or Bangla monsoon. Bakis will be handsomely paid for their services.
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chetak wrote:yunus, as a contrast, is a punccherwalla snake oil salesman, with an oily and ingratiating pasted on smile, looking out for the main chance, something which, he may have found at last.
Correct chetak ji. I hope Modi ji and others don't fall for this snake oil salesman.

This Yunus character is a complete hollywood facade created by the US. A person involved in money laundering, cheating poor people with usurious lending rates, given the chappa of "Nobel", involved with characters like the Clintons (who swiped the loot from Hondurus Aid money), now thrust upon the world as BD interim whatever is a joke of the highest kind. What exactly does Yunus bring to the table in terms of governing a nation (now overrun by Jihadis and of course the sheep students). The BD army dude behind the scenes is making all kinds of gratuitous statements, shameful paid of agent of the US not worthy of anything. PM Sheikh Hasina did something positive compared to others who did almost nothing yet the people of Bangladesh succumb to external motivation and tomfoolery. Pretty stupid jihadi bengalis of BD.
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chanakyaa wrote: 09 Aug 2024 17:50
chetak wrote: 09 Aug 2024 13:46 ...
Yunus was picked by President Mohammed Shahabuddin to lead an interim government, fulfilling a key demand of the student protest leaders.

meaning, the yunus pick was carefully orchestrated, and also quickly cemented ...... the sheep and the shepherd
@chetak ji, gr8 posts as always, pranam. packaging the toppling of Hasina govt. as a response to "student led protests" is a nice attempt to avoid calling it a color revolution or arab spring or Bangla monsoon. Bakis will be handsomely paid for their services.
The organizational acumen of the Orchestrators is to be appreciated. Cultivating Yunus for decades, making BNP not fight elections, cultivating BD army and then orchestrating a youth lead movement that could not be stopped by a democratically elected government. What's stopping this formula from being applied in India?

Modi and Haseena are not dissimilar individuals in outlook both look for economic development and despite the hindu rhetoric from Modi he is essentially secular. Haseena though a Muslim is more secular than other alternatives. It appears that leaders with secular/dharmic /right wing followers do not command do or die rank and file that non secular forces command.

Once a mob breaks out and the police is overwhelmed it is the armed forces which are the final arbitrators of political power, If the armed forces are somehow coopted by foreign forces then the mob overwhelms the popularly elected leader and they have to leave the country for safer pastures. These erstwhile leaders get to see their supporters tied up and tortured and see their underwear waving around like trophy flags on youtube while their iconography gets pissed on by mobsters.
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how many fingers in how many pies :mrgreen:


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pravula wrote: 09 Aug 2024 08:54
sanjayc wrote: 09 Aug 2024 08:26
Muhammad Yunus is Manmohan Singh of Bangladesh
I disagree. He was not parachuted into his position. He had extensive experience working in govt and as finance minister. Whatever you might think, PVNR was not a pushover


Sirji, pliss to take a look at this also.

I agree that the points are anecdotal at first glance, but at the same time there is core of undeniable truth in many of them, which have been papered over by the compulsions of vote bank politics and slanted left leaning reportage

In India, the same thing happened when the so-called "No. 1 economist of the universe" became PM (2004 - 2014), our economy became the 5th most fragile. Whenever the Indian economy was in crisis, this man was in a top decision-making position.

and one cannot dispute that the dictatorial flavor was provided by the BIF controlled, conversion enabling mafia of eyetaalian extraction

What happens when economists run countries?

This is Antonio Salazar

In 1928, Portugal was drowning in debt

There was a coup and Army took power

People were happy when Salazar, an economics professor, became Finance Minister and then PM

Instead he became dictator for 36 yrs

Portugal became poorest in Europe
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What a disaster that fellow Raguram Rajan was as RBI governor.
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tandav wrote: 09 Aug 2024 21:15 The organizational acumen of the Orchestrators is to be appreciated. Cultivating Yunus for decades, making BNP not fight elections, cultivating BD army and then orchestrating a youth lead movement that could not be stopped by a democratically elected government. What's stopping this formula from being applied in India?
India is not a two-party system, so many will step in to fill any void. But I can see this working in the USA if one of the parties decides to not contest elections. We saw something like this with never ending protests in the run up to the Nov 2020 elections.
tandav wrote: 09 Aug 2024 21:15 Once a mob breaks out and the police is overwhelmed it is the armed forces which are the final arbitrators of political power, If the armed forces are somehow coopted by foreign forces then the mob overwhelms the popularly elected leader and they have to leave the country for safer pastures.
It cannot happen without a coup by the armed forces like in Bangladesh currently. Protestors can be allowed to disrupt, set fire and otherwise make a nuisance of themselves for however long it takes, but it wouldn't change a thing. Its clear from the sequence of events and the cable posted earlier that Yunus had political ambitions and this was the way he chose to achieve it. Analogous to RFK Jr. being appointed president because the two major parties are no longer hacking it.
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bala wrote: 09 Aug 2024 22:47 What a disaster that fellow Raguram Rajan was as RBI governor.

bala saar,


he is the part of a soreass backed cabal that has been set up to target India, 3R is another opportunistic termite desperate to have a further go at the destruction of India's economy from within.

He was eased out in the nick of time by a relatively naive Modi govt that had foolishly kept him on as the RBI guv after the change of govt

Modi ji's misplaced sense of "fair play" will prove fatal to India's interests.

If they don't know how to wield power after repeated landslide victories, they don't deserve to win

they have callously wasted a decade of electoral good will and the repeated messages of unconditional support from their loyal voters to callously trash the unprecedented mandate given to them on a platter and trash the hopes of a trusting nation

and yet the nation continues to back them, hoping against hope that the better sense will prevail

one only hopes that it may not be too late even now to course correct

India refuses to acknowledge it's Hindu identity and what it wants to protect, therefore wanting everyone to be loyal to abstract nonsense of civic nationalism or secularism. We are playing the game on the wrong pitch

this govt personifies a great failing of the ancien civilizational culture of India, the lack of "shatru bodh" or a sense of the enemy.


Indians lost major civilisational wars in the past 1000 years because they did not have "shatru bodh" or a sense of the enemy.

The reason was a lack of ‘purva paksha’, or analytical research into the doctrines of those who sought to destroy us and our civilisation.
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chetak wrote:one only hopes that it may not be too late even now to course correct
I am awaiting the big bang reform on Babucracy and Judicial. This is a must and if BJP in 3rd terms pulls these reforms, it can be assured of victories in the coming years. Too much BritShitRaj leftover shit in these two systems which is hampering real genuine growth of the nation. Time to axe the IAS and appointment of a coterie of justices recommended by themselves (what silly systems that Indians preserve with each rulership).

How long will it take to implement, like DPI, a system that fully tracks babucracy with deadlines and task completion tracking, similar for the judiciary. Another good AI program can dispense of cases in a jiffy for 80% of the backup of cases in courts. India has the talent pool to implement such systems pronto. Why is the BJP hemming and hawing about the obvious, they are waiting for some proper alignment of planets, sun, moon? Governance by full IT automation should be the goal.

Tangible progress in many areas is required. Acquisition of domestic made stuff for the armed forces is taking too long a process. Shouldn't these systems be improved with more transparency. We can't continue doing things they are forever and frustrate the common folks with tardiness and lackadasical shoddy work.

On mandate etc: I think BJP needs some strong thinktanks, working groups, etc who have ready made plans, fully vetted out and when in power they simply execute them in toto, no ifs, no ands, no buts. This is the agenda and we make it happen full tilt, take it or elect someone else.
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and this little dofus just cannot wait to stick it to the Modi govt

just shows how deep the woke rot has spread

but even wokes cannot be so situationally ignorant unless ..... could it be dementia or dysmenorrhea ...... or does papaji have another agenda

wait ..... wokefully hedging her bets, should India have supported the jamaat all this while :mrgreen:
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By placing blind faith in Sheikh Hasina, & ignoring her autocratic mis-governance, India was caught on wrong foot by popular upheaval.

While Pak/China/CIA can be blamed, did we play our cards right by blindly backing AL & ignoring BNP?

Wither “neighbourhood first” policy now?
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Sheikh Hasina went to China to receive billions of $$ in aid/trade. Usually, agreements with terms and conditions are all agreed before the visit of a head of government. But China downgraded the entire visit and reduced the amount of money offered. Was China already aware that a coup was just about to happen? was China involved? or the US? or both?
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Forgive this hilarious writeup but I could not resist:

The Anglo Saxon world thinks the rest of the world are stupid. They use sophisticated terms like revolution (which is goondagiri plain and simple), true freedom (which means servitude to them), people rising up in revolt (sheeple trained by us, forcibly changing the narrative) and soothing, pleasing BS. Russians called them out. Everyone knows what happened except for their own sheeple who drink the koolaid.

Sample newsreport:

The Prime (amazonian piranha member) Journalist Numbskull Swinehundt Koolaid Sam of NYT, WaPo, Reuters, ABC, NBC, CBS, BBC, AP, Al Jazeera writes a report (of fairy tale events) on BD:
peaceful takeover by student revolution, and very Nobel Prized Yunus now in charge...St Martin conquered and freed from rebels... Clinton claps and cheers wildly, Bidenwa forgot his name and still finding his shoe..
Translated into Indian (better than thambi Pichai Poduappa's fake biased google translator) by betelnutchewer ShampooBoy T and bengaluru autorikshwala R Neverwho Gandy for kaakazpatrikabazaar in Bengali:
AArican aadmi nuej wala Nyaan Swapna Kandein SAM Swalpa Adjust Madi likhtha BD removed PM SH by goondagiri, admi/aurath ko katkar, palace loota jala diya, aur Grameen Loanchorwala Yunus saab in-charge. Sab Halal Hai
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Bangladesh is an India locked country. The potential for pain is a two way street. Unless the dispensation in Bangladesh has lost its mind. India doesn't has a great deal to worry.

Second, this is not the end of the matter. Unless they are able to get a handle on internal matters. The economy will shutdown causing even more losses to Bangladesh.

We are in for some interesting times in Dhaka.

I am thinking about the return of massive general strikes of the 90s. That would shut down the country for weeks and months on end.

So sit tight, grab some popcorn and enjoy the show. While taking advantage of the chaos to build Indian textile industry.
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Pratyush wrote: 10 Aug 2024 08:27 So sit tight, grab some popcorn and enjoy the show. While taking advantage of the chaos to build Indian textile industry.
NO. Sorry - there's going to be much sorrow & tears. Some 12M Bengali Hindus are facing ethnic cleansing not seen since 1971. At that time Indira had a firm grip on parliament and border states. At the end of the 1971 war, some 3M Hindus were murdered and millions of women raped. Today that number is likely to be higher & clowns in the opposition will try to destabilize the center by creating mass protests funded by the west.
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Should we:

1) Impose governers rule in WB?
2) Invade Bangladesh and carve out a safe heaven for Hindus?

3) Blockade the Muslim majority parts of Bangladesh and contain them for how long exactly?

4) Achieve all this with Pappu kicking about in India?

It's one thing to react emotionally, but I for one would like to see real and practical solution to the internal political problems and external challenges.
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The first thing is to pressure Bangladesh to take concrete action to protect minorities. After that it would be create a temporary safe haven in north western Bangladesh as a safe haven for minorities.
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g.sarkar wrote: 10 Aug 2024 04:00 Was China already aware that a coup was just about to happen? was China involved? or the US? or both?
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Gautam, you do have a point there. Among the few reasons that led to Hasina's early return from Beijing was that proper 'protocol' was not extended. The 'improper protocol' was that XJP did not meet her for a sufficiently long time and Wang Yi never called on her.

I do believe that both the US and China are involved for different reasons.
Both went to the same whore (who also has her own reason) for effecting the coup, most probably without one not knowing that the other was also involved.
As has been her wont for 70 years now, the whore went to bed with both simultaneously.
Either that or one of the clients of the whore (most probably PRC) was aware that the other party (the US) was also involved but acquiesced silently in the affair proffering an 'innocent face'.
The typical mistake that both made was that somehow they can control escalation. Nobody has learned from letting out the jihad genie, first in 1947-48 and then in 1979-89. The genie hasn't spared anyone.
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Manish_P wrote: 09 Aug 2024 15:52
chetak wrote: 09 Aug 2024 15:18 ...
It's more than likely that MMS was "deep selected" during his cambridge days by the BIF deep state

BTW, narayana murty, even at the late stage, has started to feel his oats again

he is already singing peans to the beedi yunus, and murty was a board member with the fraud foundation. black lentils onlee
And the 3R man who became active just before the elections. He could likely have been MMS 2.024 if the prince had less ego and more brains like Mata ji.

A combination of manufacturing heft (India) and low cost labour (Bangladesh) would be just the thing for the US to substitute (placate their industry) and take on the Dragon eventually

Manish ji,

yunus received the Fulbright scholarship to study in the United States in 1965 or thereabouts

A prime candidate for the deep state to select, groom, develop and deploy, especially given his abrahamic jihadi credentials

his close connections with the clintons further informs the likelihood

Recent happenings in beediland point to the fact that yunus is a plant and is acting on behalf of external agencies

The transition from hasina to yunus is almost seamless and the narrative matches the process


This patient plan may have been decades in the making, following the paki precipitated fiasco of 1971, when the amrikis failed to impose their narrative on the region solely because of the IG led India which thwarted them, They seem to have spent decades waiting, looking, and setting up to pounce at the right moment that an opportune set of circumstances presented itself,

A similar situation has arisen once again, but led this time, by a regionally powerful and nuclear armed Modi govt in control, which is also unwilling to push the amriki narrative.

BTW, the amrikis do not have a presence or even a base in this region, the closest ones being in qatar, djibouti, and diego garcia

Hence the amrikis may have biggish plans for the st martin islands, from where it is easy for them to keep a beady eye on both cheen and India
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I was well aware of Yunus & his Grameen Bank couple of decades ago. He was a darling of several BIF NGOs like AID, ASHA etc. With Ramon Magsasay, Nobel etc, he is the perfect example of a deep-state agent, a la Kejriwal or Zelinsky
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SSridhar wrote: 10 Aug 2024 09:43 The typical mistake that both made was that somehow they can control escalation. Nobody has learned from letting out the jihad genie, first in 1947-48 and then in 1979-89. The genie hasn't spared anyone.
This is assuming the US wants to control the genie. What if the goal is to set fires in the region that keeps India off-balance?

Its common practice to quote Iraq, Syria etc as places where the US could not control what happened after they let the jihadis come to power. What if control was not the objective? Or even if it was a primary objective, instability was a secondary, acceptable objective?
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the latest uscirf report of August 2024, targeting 5 countries including India, can be downloaded from the link below.

It's about 4 pages long



the amrikis have started their games once again, holding themselves up as the global standard in these matters

not surprisingly, the beedis do not figure in this list, despite their currently ongoing anti Hindu pogroms

one thinks that yunus would have got the benefit of amriki friends and family discount



https://www.uscirf.gov/sites/default/fi ... %20IRF.pdf
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Pratyush wrote: 10 Aug 2024 09:27 Should we:
2) Invade Bangladesh and carve out a safe heaven for Hindus?
Yes. Highlight the Hindu persecution in Bangladesh and carve out a separate state (can be part of India or a buffer state) from Bangladesh. Solve the chicken-neck problem, eradicate the Christian-Zo-State at its root and create a way-station for illegals who will be deported from India

If needed, even agree to a full population transfer - we deport crores of Bangladeshi Muslims and take back the 1 Crore+ Hindus living there (who are living on borrowed time anyway)

But for that, we need to prepare at all levels: military, diplomatic, media/public-perception etc

Quite often, opportunities come disguised as challenges
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SSridhar wrote: 10 Aug 2024 09:43 ...
The typical mistake that both made was that somehow they can control escalation. Nobody has learned from letting out the jihad genie, first in 1947-48 and then in 1979-89. The genie hasn't spared anyone.
Sridhar ji IMHO it is not a mistake. The US believes that they have nullified the blowback to them post Osama. They calculate that the jihadi radiation will threaten to impact dharmic india which will have to spend significant efforts to contain them (the chinese believe the same). It might thus be forced to go easy on their w#@re, and also bend to their demands (including more purchase of hardware, going easy on BRICs currency etc etc).

Both will be stumped or hit-wicket if we can reverse this somehow by getting the Bangladesh military on our side. The bangla jernails, like their paki biradars, are probably looking at cushy retirement mansions and burger franchises in the USA.
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Prem Kumar wrote: 10 Aug 2024 12:10This is assuming the US wants to control the genie. What if the goal is to set fires in the region that keeps India off-balance?

Its common practice to quote Iraq, Syria etc as places where the US could not control what happened after they let the jihadis come to power. What if control was not the objective? Or even if it was a primary objective, instability was a secondary, acceptable objective?
Prem Kumar, I am talking about CoNUS itself as well as other prime interests of the US such as the UK, Europe, Israel et al.

China too cannot hope that it has overcome ETIM in Xinjiang and completely integrated the Hui territories.

Of course, we in India have endured it for long and hard, starting from the British collaboration with the jihadists in 1947-48.
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Manish_P wrote: 10 Aug 2024 12:26 Sridhar ji IMHO it is not a mistake. The US believes that they have nullified the blowback to them post Osama. They calculate that the jihadi radiation will threaten to impact dharmic india which will have to spend significant efforts to contain them (the chinese believe the same). It might thus be forced to go easy on their w#@re, and also bend to their demands (including more purchase of hardware, going easy on BRICs currency etc etc).

Both will be stumped or hit-wicket if we can reverse this somehow by getting the Bangladesh military on our side. The bangla jernails, like their paki biradars, are probably looking at cushy retirement mansions and burger franchises in the USA.
Manish ji, of course, their calculation is correct, but only partially. The impact of the jihadists on India will be significant, but we are prepared for that even assuming that the Opposition will most certainly queer the pitch of our counter-terrorism agencies (a la Batala House etc) and the Government. It is not that in the last 10 years the jihadists have not made attempts but we have almost always been steps ahead of them. Of course, a few will escape and there would be the odd tragic incidents, no doubt.

But if anybody thinks that they have the handle on the escalation control, that is foolish.

Even the ISI found the truth to its horror. Col. Imam (Sultan Amin Tarar) of the ISI was eliminated, Maulana Fazl-ur Rehman whose Madrassah was the Taliban factory in NWFP was attempted to be assassinated a few times by the Taliban themselves, or look at the creation of the TTP and the Punjabi Taliban which totally turned against the ISI and the State between 2002 & 2012. Aabpara was all but turned into ashes, GHQ Pindi was almost taken over, nuclear weapons almost fell into the hands of the jihadists, Gen. Musharraf barely escaped multiple attempts. Qazi Hussein, the chief of Jama'at-e-Islami himself was termed unIslamic and attempted to be eliminated. Maulana Sandwich met a gory death for not being Islamist enough. TSP burned for a decade. Today, the Taliban themselves have turned against TSP. Even when they depended upon the ISI & TSP, they violently disagreed with the idea of Durand Line etc.

In the Islamist jihadi firmament, there is always another group which claims a stricter adherence and hence superiority which will declare the others as 'murtad' and 'wajib-ul-qitl'. In order to prove their effectiveness, they would not distinguish between who nurtured them or who are ideologically opposed to them. Everybody would be at the same footing.
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BD on a roll. CJI of Bangladesh resigns under pressure from protestors.


4 hours ago report in the Daily Star.
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Protesters have issued an ultimatum to Chief Justice Obaidul Hassan and judges of the Appellate Division to resign by 1:00pm today.

Otherwise, they threatened to besiege their residences, Hasnat Abdullah, one of the coordinators of the Anti-Discrimination Student Movement, declared from the SC premises.

Interesting times. More power to the Preliterate. Or, in honour of BD's flag, "লাল সালাম, Green সালাম"
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Here are teh profiles of the different members of teh interim government.

The two student leaders brought in:
[quote]NAHID ISLAM: Nahid Islam is a key figure in Bangladesh’s student movement, instrumental in the events that led to Sheikh Hasina’s ousting. A master’s student in sociology at Dhaka University, he is one of the youngest government advisors. Nahid is the member secretary of Ganotantrik Chhatra Shakti, a group formed by breakaway members of Chhatra Odhikar Parisahd. His activism has led to severe repercussions, including alleged abduction and torture by law enforcement. He first gained prominence during the 2018 quota reform protests and later ran for a position in the Dhaka University Central Students’ Union, though he eventually distanced himself from the group.

ASIF MAHMUD: Asif Mahmud Shojib Bhuyian is a prominent figure in Bangladesh’s student protests, notably during the quota reform movement that escalated into an anti-government campaign, leading to the fall of Sheikh Hasina’s administration. A master’s student in linguistics at Dhaka University, Asif coordinated the Anti-discrimination Student Movement and faced detention by the Detective Branch for his activism. His political journey began with the 2018 quota reform protests. In 2023, he was elected president of Chhatra Adhikar Parishad but resigned after five months due to constitutional violations by the central leadership. He then became the convener of Gonotantrik Chhatra Shakti. Asif was born on July 14, 1998, in Cumilla.[/quote]
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The slate is getting wiped clean.

I am getting ready with popcorn and coke.
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