Understanding the US - Again

[Vayutuvan]

Although on a much lesser scale than Biden it seems that age is catching up to Trump this campaign. One thing you could never accuse him of is "low energy" ...

I think he is toning down somewhat. Probably his minions had done some focus group stuff and came back with the conclusion (rightly so) that if he tones down his rhetoric, he would be able to deliver his message more effectively. It is anybody's guess whether he can maintain that kind of discipline. I give less than 50-50 that he can maintain a little bit composer for the next 4-5 months.

Next (and first) debate with between DJT and KDH will be telling. Both are going to do poorly, but the one who does less poorly wins. Bar has been lowered drastically this election cycle.

[Vayutuvan]

Hindenburg is posting something on probably Adani

Turns out it is about Reliance.

[Vayutuvan]

Kamala has disavowed her Indianess and she thinks she is more "black" than the native American Black folks (who actually despise her phoniness and fake accent). Kamala is with the Jihadi group within DNC. I admire Tulsi Gabbard, an ex DNC member, for using her Dharma and Shraddha to speak out. It takes guts to take on the establishment.

In addition to her hinduness. She is full on Baptist only now.

[Vayutuvan]

I admire Tulsi Gabbard, an ex DNC member, for using her Dharma and Shraddha to speak out. It takes guts to take on the establishment.

Tulsi Gabbard has a problem. She said once (and never took it back) that Homosexuality is curable. She also part of ISKON which is considered a cult by not only the Abrahamics, even Shree Vaishnavas.

[Vayutuvan]

The agenda of Deep State and nationalist might overlap in certain areas but the Deep State has other ideas which strictly have nothing to do with nation theory.

They are globalists who think any nationalism is same as German nationalism of Hitler time. Some of the most vocal proponents are the people of Spain who oppose Catalonian "splittism" and the other poorer EU countries including Greece, Portugal, and Ireland. All of them are Catholic. Anti-semetism post-crucifixion was started by Martin Luther and ended in the Holocaust. Surprisingly (or not so surprisingly?) globalists are supported by Soros on one hand and Omidyar on the other.

[pravula]

Hindenburg is posting something on probably Adani

Turns out it is about Reliance.

No. https://www.reuters.com/world/india/hin ... 024-08-10/

[sanman]

True but again expecting anything besides toeing and the "state dept/CIA/Pentagon" line from prominent American politicians is a fools game

Folks here say Kamala has been silent but how much have we heard from Vivek Ramaswamy, Usha Vance or Nikki Haley for that matter?

None of these people are bongs. Had any of them been Bongs, you would have see much stronger statements from them.

Indian American community exists in name only. In practice and reality, they exist as separate ethnic communities within USA - and that's how American ruling establishment likes it. Pretty soon they'll even normalize casteism in USA, to further divide. Ruling establishment there prefers Taxation Without Representation. Up to 6% of all tax revenues collected by US govt come from Indian Americans. That helps pay for a lot of Deep-Statery.

They may be marginally more vocal in situations that align with their political interests (being against Islamic Terrorism or Illegal Immigration) but won't dare go against US strategic interests for Hindus and we should stop expecting them too.

Docile obedient self-absorbed people are ideal imperial subjects for an empire. That's why Indians were ruled for far longer than other peoples who achieved independence much before them.

[sanman]

How US runs its economic empire - worth hearing:

[sanman]

We just about know now who all the 'deep state' is .. obammer for one.. the demo leadership seems completely corrupted

Obummer is like the Sonia Gandhi problem: dual centre of power
The guy himself held no elected office while forcing the elected president of the United States and nominal party leader to withdraw from re-election.
That's like Sonia ordering Manmohan around. Dual Centre of Power.

And I don't see how Kamala won any votes to become party nominee.
They seem to be blurring some lines here.
As VP, Kamala is constitutionally next in line to take over from the POTUS if he steps down or is incapacitated.
But that has nothing to do with whether she gets to be her party's nominee. For that, she has to earn votes from members of her party (eg. delegates)
Kamala's won no such votes. She's simply been coronated as leader of her party.

The more I think about it, the more it looks like a 2-stage coup.
This palace coup has merely been disguised by spreading/splitting it into 2 parts.
Step 1: get ruler to step aside
Step 2: get your own person in

[bala]

The US deep state stole the election results (forged mail-in ballots and more) from Donald Trump in 2019 and put in place a rather weak Bidenwa and empty headed Kamala. Bidenwa health and dementia did him in and they put empty headed kamala. This suits the Deep State to a T and they will do anything to steal the oncoming Nov 2024 elections. All the Judiciary is in the hands of the Deep State and they got all the judgements on election in their favor and painted Donald Trump as the villain when he protested about the results. Obummer and Clintonistas are just PR front end people for the Deep State. This guy Blinken with plastic smile and shampoo hairdo like ShampooBoy Tharoor is a snake of the Deep State. The sheeple of the US love empty headed Kamala since she ticks off many things like woman, black background though she is Jamaican and Indian and Kamala pretends to be with minorities. Her actual record as AG of Kaliforniacus is horrible, she locked up predominantly black men into prison on drug charges. Yes Kamala did not win democratic delegates. Each delegate or atleast their pseudo leadership are completely manipulated by the Deep State. Nothing gets done without the nod of the Deep State. They are effectively in charge and the sheeple in the US think it is Kamala and Walzing Matilda as a pair.

[vera_k]

Playing along to see where this thought process leads -

If DT wants to stick it to the deep state, he can just refuse to contest the coming election.

What compulsion exists for the Republican party to continue with the election? Perhaps there was another deep state deal to grant DT immunity for court cases in return for his participation in the election.

[KL Dubey]

The US deep state stole the election results (forged mail-in ballots and more) from Donald Trump in 2019 and put in place a rather weak Bidenwa and empty headed Kamala. Bidenwa health and dementia did him in and they put empty headed kamala. This suits the Deep State to a T and they will do anything to steal the oncoming Nov 2024 elections. All the Judiciary is in the hands of the Deep State and they got all the judgements on election in their favor and painted Donald Trump as the villain when he protested about the results. Obummer and Clintonistas are just PR front end people for the Deep State. This guy Blinken with plastic smile and shampoo hairdo like ShampooBoy Tharoor is a snake of the Deep State. The sheeple of the US love empty headed Kamala since she ticks off many things like woman, black background though she is Jamaican and Indian and Kamala pretends to be with minorities. Her actual record as AG of Kaliforniacus is horrible, she locked up predominantly black men into prison on drug charges. Yes Kamala did not win democratic delegates. Each delegate or atleast their pseudo leadership are completely manipulated by the Deep State. Nothing gets done without the nod of the Deep State. They are effectively in charge and the sheeple in the US think it is Kamala and Walzing Matilda as a pair.

I'm disappointed and embarrassed that BRF is hosting such unsubstantiated/unhinged posts on claims (such as 2020 "election fraud") that have already been discredited and dismissed by courts. So the only way out for such claims is to blanket everything as being puppeted by the "deep state".

[KL Dubey]

Again, stepping in for reader education and facts "about the US":

This is a very good study on mail-in/absentee ballot voting in 2016 and 2020:

https://elections-blog.mit.edu/articles ... l-election

The state of GA was the epicenter of Trump's "election fraud" claims, of which - ironically - the only case standing with any merit is his own prosecution for calling the GA state secretary and telling him to make up around 12,000 votes from somewhere or the other.

The GA republican officials (governor, state secretary, etc) pointed out that the rejection of absentee ballots went down to barely 0.36% in 2020 from 6.4% in the 2016 election, because of their own mandated requirements to create a failsafe system after the 2016 election. It's not because counting officials in 2020 allowed a large number of "fake" mail-in ballots to go through, as Trump claims.

Other than Rudy Giuliani, one main representative of Trump's "fraud" claims in GA has been David Perdue:

https://www.ajc.com/politics/absentee-b ... DPSIWF6LM/

Perdue was already "out of a political job" since he lost his US Senate seat in 2021 to the Democrat Jon Ossoff. Trump put up Perdue as a GOP primary candidate against Brian Kemp for the 2022 governor election, but Kemp won the GOP primary by a large (20%) margin and went on win a second term.

So overall, the 2020 "stolen elections" claims by Trump damaged himself and the GOP. And he is still insulting above-mentioned people in his rallies in the state of GA.

[bala]

the elected president of the United States and nominal party leader to withdraw from re-election.
And I don't see how Kamala won any votes to become party nominee.

Kamala's won no such votes. She's simply been coronated as leader of her party.

If you notice this current dispensation of Bidenwa and Kamala, both have them have not made any worthwhile decisions while in office. The invisible hand of "deep state" is behind most. Ukraine was precipated by the "deep state" and the "deep state" wanted uncontrolled immigration from the borders of mexico. Both Bidenwa and Kamala are like pantomine actors smiling, waving, pretending to be incharge. The "deep state" wanted to pull away from China and to protect their investments allowed China to continue manufacture and sell via Mexico, Vietnam and other ASEAN nations. If they were to pull out suddenly then China would collapse and that would be catastrophic for their investments. The alternatives were looking bleak for "deep state" and that is why they want migrants from El Salvador, Guatemala, and other riff raffs from sundry nations. This will provide a labor force within US which they will invest their money pulled away from China. Also forms an electorate that they can control. Meanwhile they jacked up interest rates and some banks were taken out due to interest rate hike. The interest rate hike is done because the money from China needs investment into other places, including US and they don't want any competition by others taking low interest loans. Inflation is raging big time in the US and the world. Roughly day to day expenses have doubled but the numbers quoted for inflation remain less than 10%. The china manufactured stuff was optimized for low cost big volume. Now the "deep state" has to reinvest (which means cost) and therefore prices suddenly jacked up for the same item. All the clueless sheeple of the world has to grin and bear such consequences. The "deep state" will make their money any which way, that is not an issue.

So far, the two pantomine actors are AWOL as they say. One of pantomine actor, failed miserably due to dementia, so they threatened him with hunter biden corruption case and told him to leave quietly, they used Nancy P to break it to him. Now they appointed another pantomine actor as VP and together with Kamala they will continue the charade as legit election winners. You know behind the scenes they will pull all kinds of tricks and proudly claim to the rest of the world of properly conducted elections and legit results. Yeah!

[Vayutuvan]

No. https://www.reuters.com/world/india/hin ... 024-08-10/

I stand corrected. Thanks.

[KL Dubey]

One thing: poster "Vayutuvan", I am not interested in any personal debate here. However, do not plagiarize my posts by pasting them and changing a few words to upend their meaning. I will not take very kindly to this.

Mirror Mirror on the Wall
Who is the fairest of them all?

(I readily agree that I plagiarized the above from Brothers Grimm)
(Also from Shakespeare once before)

I changed a couple of words to show that that kind of boilerplate language can work for various situations. I under no illusion that I am writing some great prose/poetry here on BRF. It is not required even.

Don't do it again.

[Mort Walker]

The 2020 Election Fraud are valid claims due to ballot box stuffing in key states. The nine major cases were dismissed on procedure not on merit and state courts are reluctant to entertain such cases as they would also impact local races for the particular state. The US voting laws are subject to the majority party. In many cases there are no voter identification methods or any model code of conduct that we see in India. Speaking to my local MLA (state House representative), he suggested that the state implement the indelible ink on the index finger if federal courts limit the use of positive photo identification.

[Vayutuvan]

Mirror Mirror on the Wall
Who is the fairest of them all?

(I readily agree that I plagiarized the above from Brothers Grimm)
(Also from Shakespeare once before)

I changed a couple of words to show that that kind of boilerplate language can work for various situations. I under no illusion that I am writing some great prose/poetry here on BRF. It is not required even.

Don't do it again.

Huh?!!!

[sanman]

China is infamous for the state's ability to co-opt any Chinese company to do its bidding on the fly, as needed. That's something US govt has prominently complained about.
But so now US govt does the exact same thing as China does.
China Inc. is now mirrored by US Inc.

[vijayk]

https://apnews.com/article/who-mpox-afr ... 4fb55d5e42
WHO declares mpox outbreaks in Africa a global health emergency as a new form of the virus spreads

he World Health Organization declared the mpox outbreaks in Congo and elsewhere in Africa a global emergency on Wednesday, with cases confirmed among children and adults in more than a dozen countries and a new form of the virus spreading. Few vaccine doses are available on the continent.

Earlier this week, the Africa Centers for Disease Control and Prevention announced that the mpox outbreaks were a public health emergency, with more than 500 deaths, and called for international help to stop the virus’ spread.

“This is something that should concern us all ... The potential for further spread within Africa and beyond is very worrying,” said WHO director-general Tedros Adhanom Ghebreyesus.

The Africa CDC previously said mpox, also known as monkeypox, has been detected in 13 countries this year, and more than 96% of all cases and deaths are in Congo. Cases are up 160% and deaths are up 19% compared with the same period last year. So far, there have been more than 14,000 cases and 524 people have died.

“We are now in a situation where (mpox) poses a risk to many more neighbors in and around central Africa,” said Salim Abdool Karim, a South African infectious diseases expert who chairs the Africa CDC emergency group. He said the new version of mpox spreading from Congo appears to have a death rate of about 3-4%.

NOVEMBER IS COMING

[Jay]

https://apnews.com/article/who-mpox-afr ... 4fb55d5e42
WHO declares mpox outbreaks in Africa a global health emergency as a new form of the virus spreads


NOVEMBER IS COMING

Very cryptic. What will happen in November?

[Mort Walker]

This is what the establishment in the US does from both parties. The consequences of the deep state:

Ram Lalla Sculptor Denied US Visa to Visit World Kannada Conference in Virginia

This follows a similar pattern to when Modi was denied a US visa by the Bush administration. This time different party, but same objective.

[vijayk]

https://apnews.com/article/who-mpox-afr ... 4fb55d5e42
WHO declares mpox outbreaks in Africa a global health emergency as a new form of the virus spreads


NOVEMBER IS COMING

Very cryptic. What will happen in November?

Election.

Courts need to give permission to vote mail-in starting Sept 1 so that the voter decisions are locked in much before the election. Lets put collection boxes in every corner. Election integrity is a serious issue

[Vayutuvan]

https://www.yahoo.com/news/every-americ ... 24751.html

Every American's Social Security number, address may have been stolen in hack
Daniel Miller
Wed, August 14, 2024 at 11:37 AM CDT·2 min read
...
After a group of hackers claimed to have stolen personal information several months ago from a data broker, a member of the group reportedly shared most of the sensitive data on an online forum for stolen data.

The data includes 2.7 billion records of personal information from Americans including their Social Security numbers and physical addresses, Engadget reported, citing Bleeping Computer.

Who is behind the data theft?
A hacking group called USDoD claimed in April to have stolen personal records from National Public Data in a massive data breach. The NPD is a platform that offers personal information to employers, private investigators, staffing agencies and others doing background checks, the Los Angeles Times reported, citing a class-action lawsuit filed in Fort Lauderdale, Florida.

USDoD offered to sell the stolen records, which included personal data for everyone in the US, UK, and Canada, to a forum of hackers. USDoD was seeking $3.5 million for the entire database, but piles of the data have been leaked by various entities.

According to Engadget, previous leaks of data included phone numbers and email addresses, but that information reportedly was not a part of the latest data release.

Somebody voting on my name is the least of my worries. If some the baddies get this data, they can wipe out every Aemrican's 401K, savings in the banks, sell of houses, and apply for credit cards and such.

I would be very happy if this is the doing of the deep state to simply steal the elections. Let them steal the elections to their heart's content.

[chanakyaa]

Absentee or mail-in-ballot is the most shady part of the election process. According to Pew research, for the 2020 elections, whopping 46% of total votes (and 58% for By-then) were cast by Absentee or mail-in-vote. Can you imagine? Almost 60% of dumbocrat votes were mail-in. COVID may have influenced this but this number jumped from 25% in prior elections.

And for mail-in ballot, in some states all you need is name and few other details and in some state just last 4 digit numbers of Social Security number. Theoretically, the leaked data is sufficient to influence the election outcome.

[Jay]

Courts need to give permission to vote mail-in starting Sept 1 so that the voter decisions are locked in much before the election. Lets put collection boxes in every corner. Election integrity is a serious issue

How so? Can you site any fraud from 2020, since the same system was in place?

[chetak]

[chetak]

[Tanaji]

https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cy8431ejnk5o

Ignoring the main thrust of the article, what I found most interesting was this:

Judge Mark Scarsi ruled that protesters had “established checkpoints and required passers-by to wear a specific wristband to cross them”, and blocking “people who supported the existence of the state of Israel”.
“Jewish students were excluded from portions of the UCLA campus because they refused to denounce their faith,” Judge Scarsi wrote in the order. “This fact is so unimaginable and so abhorrent to our constitutional guarantee of religious freedom that it bears repeating.”

That this is allowed to continue boggles the mind
It also demonstrates the level of penetration the Left and Islamists have achieved in academia.

[Jay]

If the above "diversity myth" as stated by the harvard political scientist is true then India, one of the most diverse places on the planet, will ever prosper?

https://www.scientificamerican.com/arti ... -distrust/

[Manish_P]

If the above "diversity myth" as stated by the harvard political scientist is true then India, one of the most diverse places on the planet, will ever prosper?

https://www.scientificamerican.com/arti ... -distrust/

The diversity the US talks about is primarily racial based on color (white, black, brown, yellow, red?)

India has been primarily homogeneous that way

[Mort Walker]

Courts need to give permission to vote mail-in starting Sept 1 so that the voter decisions are locked in much before the election. Lets put collection boxes in every corner. Election integrity is a serious issue

How so? Can you site any fraud from 2020, since the same system was in place?

Yes. In 2016 ~5.96 million / 41.9 million ballots unaccounted for. In 2020 some 15 million / 90.6 million ballots were unaccounted for. An increase of 2.3%. Neither the Federal Election Commission or US Election Assistance Commission took any action. The US requires international monitoring of its elections.

https://publicinterestlegal.org/wp-cont ... 0-1P-1.pdf

[SRajesh]

Bhailog
Regardless of the Trump histrionics and the assasination attempt it apprears the Left/Jihadi combine have mastered the art of stealing elections.
I have serious misgiving about November
I think(i may be wrong and I fervently hope so) we may end up with a POTUS with a cackle!!
And that would be seriouly bad news not just for India but whole area eastwards from Longitude 30 degree East!! and Southwards Latitude 25 degree north.
And this would strengthen Eleven Pegs and light a big fire in our backyard!!
How do we cope with scuch a situation??
What are our options vis-a-vis 11pegs and Potus with a rancid hatred for everthing Dharmic!
Modi 3.0 with a lower majority and a BIF/Soros supported Pappu led opposition how would 2025 pan out!!
Premeptive action as some have called for (maybe not on this forum) in Beediland would light a bigger fire and probaly lead to a more messy situation.
Will the 2+2 come to a complete halt and there is a total rethink of QUAD(maybe even QUAD minus India) who of the EU will be willing to partner: either in the new QUAD or with us!!
The bear will be tied down with more Pukraine 'item songs'!!
What is the left aiming at, a Unipolar world with Unkil in the new avatar of a 'Benovelent Capitocommunist'!!
Or Bipolar world with a new Treaty of Tordesillas between Unkil and Eleven pegs!!

[drnayar]

Clinton and obammur are the original architects of a bipolar world..with us and China.. they can't do that with the current dispensation in India. I increasingly suspect their collaboration w r t India.

For this they want mylapore aunty's to win American elections
For raga to get somewhere near power in India.

Once this done the neocons will go after the cccp.they are also game.

[Jay]

How so? Can you site any fraud from 2020, since the same system was in place?

Yes. In 2016 ~5.96 million / 41.9 million ballots unaccounted for. In 2020 some 15 million / 90.6 million ballots were unaccounted for. An increase of 2.3%. Neither the Federal Election Commission or US Election Assistance Commission took any action. The US requires international monitoring of its elections.

https://publicinterestlegal.org/wp-cont ... 0-1P-1.pdf

This is fake data and the organization 'Public Interest Legal Foundation' lost all of it's cases in state, and federal courts infront of both republican and democratic judges. There is a reason why they were even censured to pay legal costs in few of the cases.

https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2 ... -corrupte/

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/201 ... icans-pilf

https://www.propublica.org/article/a-co ... -in-voting

https://talkingpointsmemo.com/muckraker ... it-settled

https://www.politico.com/magazine/story ... cy-214972/

[bala]

The US is headed for another rigged election with Cackling POTUS and Walzing Matilda. Elections in US has become a laughing stock in the world, nothing can be verified since the Media, Judiciary and CIA/FBI/Pentagon are under the mighty thumb of the Deep State. No one will openly admit any wrong doing, all US lawyers/officials are paragons of talking virtue to the public, while ethically behind the scenes they are rascals of the highest order.

Emperor Eleven hasn't been seen or heard in the bowels of the CCP for some time. The economic downslide of the Cheens is due to withdrawal of Deep State from Cheen. A lot of investments are stuck in Cheen land and Deep State wants to move them elsewhere. India is the only option for low cost high volume manufacture. Deep State has moved their investments stuff to Mexico, Vietnam and ASEAN nations, with component parts supplied from the Cheen owned entities. This is a gradual process wherein the parent company moves but parts are still from Cheenland. These parts/components require shifting to India and Deep State is playing games to get the best deal from India. They want a subservient India which can marshal their low cost labor and allow for hire/fire policies and low wages. They don't want true democracy and hassles of dealing with a volatile labor force.

Another big block for Deep State is India's policy towards Russia which pisses them of to lunatic proportions. They are so paranoid about anything Russian that they instantly jerk their collective heads to oppose anything Russian. They are maniacally obsessed. Modiji has to weigh in all this and chart a sensible course.

[Jay]

If the above "diversity myth" as stated by the harvard political scientist is true then India, one of the most diverse places on the planet, will ever prosper?

https://www.scientificamerican.com/arti ... -distrust/

The diversity the US talks about is primarily racial based on color (white, black, brown, yellow, red?)

India has been primarily homogeneous that way

Manish ji, but in the original journal the 'diversity' definition also took religion, and language into consideration.

[saip]

"Cackling POTUS and Walzing Matilda"
Nice. But what about Doddering Fatso & Junior Dunce?

[Manish_P]

The diversity the US talks about is primarily racial based on color (white, black, brown, yellow, red?)

India has been primarily homogeneous that way

Manish ji, but in the original journal the 'diversity' definition also took religion, and language into consideration.

Jay sa'ab, below excerpt is at the beginning of the article

...

After reanalyzing the same dataset used by Putnam, Abascal and Baldassari asserted that when it comes to distrust and diversity, most of the distrust is expressed by Whites who feel uncomfortable living amongst racial minorities. In other words, greater distrust may stem from prejudice rather than from diversity per se. Therefore, Putnam’s conclusion that racial diversity leads to less altruism and cooperation amongst neighbors was incorrect. If there is a downside to diversity, it has less to do with the behavior of racial minorities and more to do with how Whites feel when living amongst non-Whites....

[vijayk]

Courts need to give permission to vote mail-in starting Sept 1 so that the voter decisions are locked in much before the election. Lets put collection boxes in every corner. Election integrity is a serious issue

How so? Can you site any fraud from 2020, since the same system was in place?

I am not alleging fraud has been committed but the system is not foolproof.

For example, I used to go and vote in the election. My kid wanted to vote while in college. I went and filled a form for absentee ballot 2 or 3 weeks before and get the ballot.

Since COVID, I get a card. I can check all votes to be sent by mail. I get all the votes. I send all the votes by mail. My town has 7000 households. They have few volunteers who help in the election. If instead of 200 absentee ballots, now 5000 votes came. No one even can check if they are signed, who voted, who collected, if the signatures are valid and not even know if they are citizens or not. How can integrity be preserved?