Understanding the US - Again

[bala]

In US the Deep State has infiltrated every system possible. Voters on mail ballot are the loophole they exploit. Many of them are dead and gone, mail is sent to wrong addresses (to the deep state) and someone else fills it in and mails them. States like Kalifornia and New york are bastions of dems and illegals get into the sytem and cast their vote in these states. The booths that have officials are all pro dems and they look the other way. So on the surface everything looks legit. You cannot win a court case by normal procedure because officials will not agree to any wrong doing, everything is prim and proper according to them. The US requires international observers for their election process. The entire thing has been undermined cleverly by the Deep State. It is a hopeless system worse than Burkina Faso.

[Tanaji]

@Jay ji,

Please recall the Diebold voting machines and the inability of US to move towards EVMs. The reason they were rejected was because it was not possible to prove beyond a reasonable doubt that the count could not be tampered with, which was a fair argument to make. This proves the assuredness bar that exists for a voting mechanism to be accepted.

I dont think the postal voting mechanism meets the same assuredness and secure bar that EVMs were asked to meet. The only saving grace is what proportion of total votes are postal votes and are they sufficient to change the outcome of an election. Conspiracies not withstanding, I think the answer is no.

[bala]

Jihadi Ilhan Omar got re-elected as the Dem Candidate once more!

[Tanaji]

@Jayji,

Regarding the diversity article at scientficamerican : the main difference between US and India regarding community affairs is that in former it’s truly neighbourhood led - either driven through local church where every one knows everyone in the parish or through the local school. I can see that in a situation like this, diversity affecting the effort: other faiths won’t go to church, school efforts may be dominated by established people and other faiths or colour people many not be comfortable in contributing.

In India, efforts are either via RSS or some rich person sets up something via a temple or through his caste based organisation - but inboth cases it’s usually indifferent to who received it. The persons doing the work are very limited to a caste or similar, so diversity has no effect.

[Mort Walker]

It’s not fake data. All the links referenced about Public Interest Legal Foundation are dubious opinion pieces.

A significant number of ballots are simply unaccounted for. The same will be true of 2024. Should Trump win, the current regime will not certify election results.

[vijayk]

THIS COULD BE AN EXAGGERATION


If people don't come to vote unless they have a strong reason, there is huge chance for fraud. Mail in voting needs a reason if you are not around.

1. Declare federal holiday on election day
2. Check ID
3. If you need an absentee, give a reason 2-3 weeks before and collect vote. Drop off the vote at City hall by checking your ID
4. Rest all vote in person

[bala]

"Cackling POTUS and Walzing Matilda"
Nice.

Small corrections: Cackling POTUS LOTUS (kamala in Indian err.. कमला Sanskrit for you)

Sing-a-long. Oh say, can you say..

Cackling Hi, Cackling Lo, Hi, Lo, and i TUS with Walzing Matilda, Walzing Matilda, Walzing Matilda..

[Vayutuvan]

"Cackling POTUS and Walzing Matilda"
Nice. But what about Doddering Fatso & Junior Dunce?

Why so much hate for that youngman, son of DJT and Melania?!!!

[Jay]

If instead of 200 absentee ballots, now 5000 votes came. No one even can check if they are signed, who voted, who collected, if the signatures are valid and not even know if they are citizens or not. How can integrity be preserved?

This is 100% not accurate.

When the ballot is returned to the election office, election officials have a process for examining each and every signature and comparing it to other documents in their files that contain the voter signature—usually the voter registration record.

If a ballot is missing a signature or the signature does not match the one on file, some states offer voters the opportunity to “cure” their ballots.

Some states have other methods for verifying absentee/mail ballots, such as requiring voters to provide a copy of an identification document or to have the absentee/mail ballot witnessed or notarized.

Thirty-one states conduct signature verification on returned absentee/mail ballots. Ten states, the Virgin Islands and Washington, D.C., verify that an absentee/mail ballot envelope has been signed but do not conduct signature verification. Seven states require the signature of a witness in addition to the voter’s signature. Three states require the absentee/mail ballot envelope to be notarized.

When I registered to vote for the first time, I had to provide proof of citizenship to even get on the voter rolls. This is in the commie enclave of illinois and I can only assure you that it's even more tighter in Republican states.

So when some people talk about all these hundreds of thousands of non citizens voting in these elections, that bogus. Next time when some one repeats this, ask them how they know. It's always "a friend of a friend knows somebody who saw someone do it" story and nothing concrete.

[chetak]

and the whites did this too, to their own people

[vijayk]

If instead of 200 absentee ballots, now 5000 votes came. No one even can check if they are signed, who voted, who collected, if the signatures are valid and not even know if they are citizens or not. How can integrity be preserved?

This is 100% not accurate.

When the ballot is returned to the election office, election officials have a process for examining each and every signature and comparing it to other documents in their files that contain the voter signature—usually the voter registration record.

If a ballot is missing a signature or the signature does not match the one on file, some states offer voters the opportunity to “cure” their ballots.

Some states have other methods for verifying absentee/mail ballots, such as requiring voters to provide a copy of an identification document or to have the absentee/mail ballot witnessed or notarized.

Thirty-one states conduct signature verification on returned absentee/mail ballots. Ten states, the Virgin Islands and Washington, D.C., verify that an absentee/mail ballot envelope has been signed but do not conduct signature verification. Seven states require the signature of a witness in addition to the voter’s signature. Three states require the absentee/mail ballot envelope to be notarized.

When I registered to vote for the first time, I had to provide proof of citizenship to even get on the voter rolls. This is in the commie enclave of illinois and I can only assure you that it's even more tighter in Republican states.

So when some people talk about all these hundreds of thousands of non citizens voting in these elections, that bogus. Next time when some one repeats this, ask them how they know. It's always "a friend of a friend knows somebody who saw someone do it" story and nothing concrete.

There used to be a process that worked for 2% absentee vote. Most of the absentee votes had to reach the city office at least a week or two prior to the election day. This process does not work when 50% vote by mail. That too votes post marked by election day were allowed even if they reach after 2-3 days of the election. No county ... repeating no county is equipped to handle 25 times of voting by mail. No matter how many poll workers are there. Most of the poll workers are volunteers.

[Mort Walker]

Mail in voting is inherently fraudulent. If this was such a great idea, we would see it widespread in India where the Central Election Commission has teeth. The US is absolute chaos where each state has their own laws.

[chanakyaa]

Here is a study done by MIT on absentee/mail-in ballot rejection rate. This is done by MIT, which means apply a conservative rate of 50% (i.e., with respect to data, in practice, good news may be 50% less good and bad news may be 50% worse), why you ask?

Look at the chart in the link that shows "Absentee Ballot Rejection Rate by Verification Requirements" (background: some states requires signature, some require no ID, some require signature and witness both). States in which a signature is required, rejection rate was 4.1% and states where no ID is required rejection rate was 0.73% (80% less, of course, no ID required means you don't know if fraud ever took place; thus low rejection rate). It is very likely that the states where No or limited ID is required, you can't say conclusively that the fraud was uncovered.

The November 2020 general election saw a surge of mail-in/absentee voting, mainly in response to safety concerns surrounding voting in-person during the COVID-19 pandemic. As a result, the overall total of mail ballots cast went from 28.8 million in 2016 to 66.4 million in 2020, a whopping 131 percent increase. With it likely that mail-in voting will continue to be prevalent, it is important to examine the nuances of the data more deeply, in order to improve the process for voters and election administrators alike. Today, we hone in on one particular facet of mail voting during the 2020 general election, absentee ballot rejection.
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A Deep Dive into Absentee Ballot Rejection in the 2020 General Election

[vijayk]

^^
For partisans of Republicans vs Democrats ... this is not about the party. I am not alleging that 2020 is fraudulent election. No judgement on the veracity

I don't care which party does it. The process has to be fool-proof. No one can verify signatures on 66 Million votes. Not possible at all. There is huge chance for fraud. If it is not exploited, it will be exploited

[bala]

In the US the demodumb states are completely out of control and anything goes. In the state of NY for example the entire judiciary is with the dumbs, how else can you explain a ruling of 500 m against Donald Trump in a case of she said he said nonsense. Come on no one is worth 1 m or even 100 K or even 10,000 for he said, she said Bullcrap. All the cases against Donald in Real Estate means the entire lot of real estate professionals who practice the most egregious means to close deals, put them all under bar? Huh. Stupidity of the highest kind. The Judiciary in the US is out of whack, pretenders of high moral with prickly dudes who get pissed by the opponents for any mild stupid issue. The state of NY is completely mismanaged and so are others like Kalifornia which is becoming a basket case with so many silly things - DEI, wokism, China faction, Mr Nuisance who is in charge of the state keeps grinning all the time while shafting the state. None of the roads in Kalifornia are repaired in a timely manner, filled with pot holes, even city roads are shitty debacles, highways are even worse, repeated drought conditions have devasted farming. Overall shitty mgmt and you guess what happens to voting in general. So much fraud and debauchery going on in these states and I keep wondering when the whole shebang will collapse one day.

[KL Dubey]

Despite several posts and links on how mail-in/absentee voting works in the US, some posters go on and on about "election fraud".

In plain language: such "election fraud" did not have any significant impact on the results in any state, nor is it likely to have impact this time. Whoever wins is likely to win "fair and square".

It seems a lot of people have stopped posting on this thread due to the onslaught of poorly substantiated/doomsday posts from a few posters. The thread has effectively become a ranting venue for MAGA/QAnon-type theories. I recall a similar situation in which a few (the same) posters continued the bogey of "election fraud" in the last gasps of the Trump presidency/campaign. Nothing came of that, but "learning from experience" did not occur either.

If some posters think its all the "deep state" and everything is already controlled/pre-programmed, then they have made their point - nothing more needs to be said from that perspective. Repeating these speculations in response to every other post is nothing but propaganda. Let others post whatever factual information is available and discuss it.

[KL Dubey]

Here is a study done by MIT on absentee/mail-in ballot rejection rate. This is done by MIT, which means apply a conservative rate of 50% (i.e., with respect to data, in practice, good news may be 50% less good and bad news may be 50% worse), why you ask?

I already posted this and discussed it as well. To be specific, see the example of GA, which was the epicenter of "election fraud" claims in 2020.

[Jay]

There used to be a process that worked for 2% absentee vote. Most of the absentee votes had to reach the city office at least a week or two prior to the election day. This process does not work when 50% vote by mail.

This kind of blanket statement does not stand to scrutiny. It was handled well in 2020 where some counties had more than the 2%.

This process does not work when 50% vote by mail.

Can you show me one county in US where it did not work?

That too votes post marked by election day were allowed even if they reach after 2-3 days of the election.

This is valid and even the courts agree that it's valid.

No county ... repeating no county is equipped to handle 25 times of voting by mail.

Currently is there a county in US that is expecting this kind of volume? Which one?

No matter how many poll workers are there. Most of the poll workers are volunteers.

By that definition you might as scrap all elections since its handled my volunteers, mostly.

[Jay]

^^
For partisans of Republicans vs Democrats ... this is not about the party. I am not alleging that 2020 is fraudulent election. No judgement on the veracity

I don't care which party does it. The process has to be fool-proof. No one can verify signatures on 66 Million votes. Not possible at all. There is huge chance for fraud. If it is not exploited, it will be exploited

You are just repeating as-nauseum that "process has to be foolproof" without showing anything about it being a failure. So, I'm asking again. Do you know of any specific examples where the mail in process did not work?

Also, do you know how or when a person can get a mail in ballot or what are the criteria required to be registered as a voter in US?

[ramana]

Ok guys back off. No need to be partisan and get into nitty-gritty I know more than you type gnangiri.
So no more posts on this.

[morem]

it is frustrating wading through some posters fighting each other.

[ramana]

it is frustrating wading through some posters fighting each other.

Exactly. They can go off line and carry on.

[ramana]

BTW here is a tweet that maps the English Civil War and the US Civil War and finds great correlation.


https://x.com/whatifalthist/status/1824 ... Nq3tQ&s=19

[KL Dubey]

Also, do you know how or when a person can get a mail in ballot or what are the criteria required to be registered as a voter in US?

Exactly. After reading some of the posts, I start suspecting that some people think one can just swing by a post office or something and grab a blank ballot to mail in whenever.

For reader's information, the process requires one to apply for mail-in voting (with a valid reason) and provide documents. Only after verification of the application docs, does one get a mail ballot. Then the ballot is verified again once it is received with the vote.

The exact procedure and requirements vary in some states, but are based on double-verification (i.e. before and after voting).

https://www.usa.gov/absentee-voting

You can check the procedure of each state here.

[KL Dubey]

So no more posts on this.

OK - can you be more specific. No more posts on "election fraud" claims would be welcome. I hope posters can still post/discuss factual information on US election processes and data amongst other things. This thread was going well until hijacked by "everything is pre-programmed by deep state".

[Vayutuvan]

2024 Vote-By-Mail Frequently Asked Questions

Who can vote by mail in Illinois?
Any registered voter can vote by mail in Illinois.

Do I need an excuse to vote by mail?
No. The excuse requirement was dropped in 2009.
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[Vayutuvan]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ballot_collecting

Policy in the United States[edit]
As of July 2020, 26 states allow specified agents to collect and submit ballots for another voter. Usually such agents are family members or persons in the same household. 13 states neither enable nor prohibit ballot collection as a matter of law. Among those that allow it, 12 have limits on how many ballots an agent may collect.

[Vayutuvan]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Map_ ... _State.svg

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Voter_ide ... ted_States

The NCSL categorizes state-level voter ID laws as follows:[20]

Photo ID required (strict): Arkansas, Georgia, Indiana, Kansas, Mississippi, Ohio, Tennessee, and Wisconsin.
Photo ID requested (non-strict): Alabama, Florida, Hawaii, Idaho, Louisiana, Michigan, Montana, Rhode Island, South Carolina, South Dakota, and Texas.
Non-photo ID required (strict): Arizona, North Dakota, and Wyoming.
Non-photo ID requested (non-strict): Alaska, Colorado, Connecticut, Delaware, Iowa, Kentucky, Missouri, New Hampshire, Oklahoma, Utah, Washington, Virginia, and West Virginia.
No ID required to vote at ballot box: California, Illinois, Maine, Maryland, Massachusetts, Minnesota, Nebraska, Nevada, New Jersey, New Mexico, New York, North Carolina, Oregon, Pennsylvania, Vermont, and Washington, D.C.

But in 2005, American University's Commission on Federal Election Reform, co-chaired by former President Jimmy Carter and former Secretary of State James Baker, wrote:

The electoral system cannot inspire public confidence if no safeguards exist to deter or detect fraud or to confirm the identity of voters. Photo IDs currently are needed to board a plane, enter federal buildings, and cash a check. Voting is equally important.

— The Commission on Federal Election Reform[94]
The Commission concluded that, although proven voter impersonation is minimal, a photo ID requirement will ensure election integrity and safeguard public perception of the nation's voting system at little cost to anyone

[bala]

India has DigiYatra for Travel, wherein you register yourself with the App for travel using Aadhar. You are detected by AADHAR retina and facial features. I know in US there is all this privacy BS. I say it is BS because the US has big data processing of everything (by the gazillion) including your complete phone call records, financial records (FINRA), etc and they can break any AES-256 encryption or other schemes at National Security computer facilities which Condileeza Rice manned once upon a time. I laugh when Apple claims all kinds of privacy while their servers have the entire data from iPhones, so does google of android phones, motorola, samsung etc. A system like Aadhar digiyatra can be a foolproof system for voting. No more BD buggers voting in India or nepalese or pukes or sri lankans. Use technology, use data properly and provide accurate foolproof systems.

In the US all these state govt, agencies all claim immaculate records. Kya nonsense. An average state govt worker does not do their job, let alone verification of signature, what BS. Who will admit anything wrong in their Anglo Saxon uber immaculate system they conceived, which has holes like a leaking sieve. The US Judiciary/lawyer aholes will never admit to any wrongdoing on behalf of the state. US Email ballot is the biggest fraud on earth. Take a small example, a family gets ballots by email. The stronger of the two - hubby/wife calls the shot of who to vote and email or the other emails on behalf of the better half. Right there is a 50% error in votes. If you pass away you still get ballot mailed, who would vote. These state govt systems are pieces of shit, never accurate, hardly kept upto date.

A better system, have people walk in person, detected by some facial/retina scan that allows them in and they cast their vote and get a small slip of who they voted. Remove all people verification nonsense which is compromised based on their bias. If a recount needs to be done then there is 1:1 correlation. No fraud, no checking of signatures etc. Then the population and the world can be assured of genuine voting. None around the world believe that the US has fault free voting, instead there is huge doubt about the process. There is a huge doubt about the hordes of immigrants let in by the Dem Dumbs. Everyone in the world understands that this is to skew election results.

[chetak]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bX3EZCVj2XA



KGB defector Yuri Bezmenov's warning to America





The video is about 13:36 minutes long

29 YEARS AGO, Soviet defector and KGB operative Yuri Bezmenov, specializing in the fields of Marxist-Leninist propaganda and ideological subversion; warned us about the silent war being waged against America as part of a long term plan to take over and destroy the American system and way of life.

Watch this clip in AMAZEMENT as you realize he is describing EXACTLY what's happening in America today, where by Obama and his gang of Marxist usurpers who now have control of your government are just the culmination of a very long term plan, but are the ones who are about to bring it into fruition.

Bezmenov was born in 1939 in Mytishchi, near Moscow to a high ranking Soviet Army officer. At the age of seventeen, he entered the Institute of Oriental Languages, a part of the Moscow State University which was under the direct control of the KGB and the Communist Central Committee. In addition to languages, he studied history, literature, and music, and became an expert on Indian culture. During his second year, Bezmenov sought to look like a person from India; his teachers encouraged this because graduates of the school were employed as diplomats, foreign journalists, or spies.[2]

As a Soviet student, he was also required to take compulsory military training in which he was taught how to play "strategic war games" using the maps of foreign countries, as well as how to interrogate prisoners of war.[2]

[bala]

^^ Brilliant Chetak ji. Only Russians can explain what is happening to the US! The Deep State chappa is so ingrained in the US, no one pauses and thinks about what is happening to true American Freedom. Every institute in the US is f'ed up with these aholes - CIA/FBI/Judiciary/Media/Narratives/Elections with new fangled branches like woke zombies/ESG/DEI all kinds of crazy time wasting tactics. The US university system is under a deep rot, the number of brain washed profs/lecturers/students are rapidly multiplying. People like Rajiv Malhotra are waging a lonely battle against these inimical forces. Harvard especially has gone to the dogs with people like Witzel, Ombaba, El Presidente and more.

[Cybaru]

sanman, thanks for the explanation and appreciate your view on this.

Not just addresss to you, but addressing others also who has preferences to some political groupings, here are some things that would help us all get a good idea

1) why is Trump good for India? During the last term he has been indulging in boorish behaviour towards India despite PM Modi going to far extents to make him happy? His comments about Harley vs Mangoes, India’s vaccine priority etc are petty and India don’t have to coddle him anymore. His tightening of H1B/GC processing to a snail pace (affected Indian businesses and PIO families a lot) and the whole BS around Doha talks, which was the initiator for the Taliban and other Pashtun factions takeover of Afghanistan. His SD was never openly pro-India when it came to china as he was more interested in his own trade wars.

(Indian foreign office deftly converted Trump initiated crisis by converting the new Kabul govt from Taliban to a Pashtun-centric one and made that General Faiz with his tea look silly, but no thanks to Trump. Trump did zero consulting with India despite requests).

2) Why should Biden be an issue for India? Till now, his rule has been pretty neutral towards India other than jibes about democratic backsliding etc, any internal issues the Americans have about his age, migration etc is not of interest to us. He has been pumping up LRASM numbers in Indo-PAC, turning a blind eye on Russian oil refining, subtly snubbing Trudeau’s version of Indian wet-ops etc but at same time twiddling his thumbs during Galwan or SCS issues. So mixed bag, but claiming he is terrible for India is not backed by facts.

3) Democrat vs Republicans: which party allows PIOs to rise high? Currently it is Republicans with two past Governors and current two POTUS candidates. The Democrats have stopped caring about PIO interests at some point of Obama Administration and seem to go only for their money/votes while giving prominence to identity politics centering around blacks, sexual outliers and islamists. This is in sharp contrast to 15 years back when Republicans were using EJs to channel vote banks using communalism and Indians/dharmics got short end of the stick. Neither Biden nor Trump cares two squeaky hoots for PIO interests. So why should this forum need to listen to partisan claptrap from either sides?

So from an Indian PoV, shouldn’t these sort of points be relevant than why two very rich and old white men are attractive because they are not senile or not snarky? The abuse of power against a political opponent is good only for talking points when putting down some gora when they wag a finger at India, not for this forum. But PIO or Indian interests are not served if one blindly sign away wealth and votes to either side

Hope we can have some threads and discussions on those lines!

I agree, I don't see this is how things are progressing in this thread though..

[chetak]

^^ Brilliant Chetak ji. Only Russians can explain what is happening to the US! The Deep State chappa is so ingrained in the US, no one pauses and thinks about what is happening to true American Freedom. Every institute in the US is f'ed up with these aholes - CIA/FBI/Judiciary/Media/Narratives/Elections with new fangled branches like woke zombies/ESG/DEI all kinds of crazy time wasting tactics. The US university system is under a deep rot, the number of brain washed profs/lecturers/students are rapidly multiplying. People like Rajiv Malhotra are waging a lonely battle against these inimical forces. Harvard especially has gone to the dogs with people like Witzel, Ombaba, El Presidente and more

bala saar,

people like Rajiv Malhotra ji have been and are still ploughing a lonely furrow for the longest time, with very little outside help or encouragement and are mostly using their own resources

They are being opposed tooth and nail by BIF forces who stifle their voices at every turn

I don't see any acknowledgement from our "dharmic" sangathans or even the nationalistic govt, ever so busy in handing out padmas to every one except to those whom such awards would make a difference in visibility and resource mobilization

these guys are in power but sadly do not know how to exercise the power that was given to them for a purpose. Just imagine what anyone else would have done with 303 seats

[Manish_P]

....

I don't see any acknowledgement from our nationalistic govt, busy in handing out padmas to every one except to those whom such awards would make a difference in visibility and resource mobilization

+1

[sanman]

US continuing to push Nikhil Gupta case



Such an avoidable fracas.

How can NewsX staff be such amateurish ignorant backward junglees, by bringing in the wrong guests? Indians of course have natural cause to complain about US conduct, as India has repeatedly been the recipient of bad treatment by the United States govt. Bordman has been a reliable outspoken supporter against Khalistanis, but he's also an Israel supporter, and will naturally leap to Washington's defense, as Israel has been pampered by the US. Therefore he will immediately attack the rest of the panel over disagreements on the foreign policy track record of the United States. You'll notice he especially didn't like the reference to destabilization of Syria, which was again done by the US on behalf of Israel's interests. And meanwhile the host is looking like a deer caught in the headlights. What a bunch of junglees we Indians are. I feel like some NewsX staff must have been hired straight out of the village.

[sanman]

[bala]

people like Rajiv Malhotra ji have been and are still ploughing a lonely furrow for the longest time, with very little outside help or encouragement and are mostly using their own resources

They are being opposed tooth and nail by BIF forces who stifle their voices at every turn

Just want to highlight one issue that Rajiv Malhotra faught and won: Usurping Adi Shankacharya chair at Columbia by Sheldon Pollock. Willing conspirators happened to be other Indians, one administrator within Shringeri Mutt was a prime suspect. Rajiv had to surreptiously reach out to the current Shankacharya and apprise him directly of the nefarious plan. Also remember guys like Narayanan Murthy were ready to fund Sheldon Pollock. Such debauchery of India's sacred time-tested institutes of greatness.

This Sheldon Pollock dude is a slimy character. He occassionally wears dhoti and spouts some sanskrit phrases and employs other traitor Indians. He hardly knows Sanskrit but is engaged in wild silly translations of sacred texts without understanding basics.

Previously the BritshitRaj used a false flag raid on Shringeri and carried away all the precious Sanskrit text to Oxford and German universities. Why German, because the Deep State behind the BritShitRaj were housed in Germany. They used Sanskrit scholars from India to translate these texts and usurp its knowledge base. Btw many nuggets of very deep knowledge were in AtharvaVeda, most of them not written down, only transmitted orally from guru to shishya. Shringeri was the headquarters of mutts in those days.

I consider Shri Adi Shankacharya as one of my Param Gurus. India needs to protect the 4 Mutts by national law.

[vijayk]

^^ Do we have copies of these stolen documents? Or totally lost?

[bala]

^^ Do we have copies of these stolen documents? Or totally lost?

No, many of them were forcibly taken away by the BritshitRaj. The existing Oxford, Cambridge, German Univ are not willing to give them to GOI. Manuscripts on palm leaves have a certain life span and must be recreated again on newer leaves. The tradition was oral for Vedas. Some other texts like commentaries (which are highly valuable) are lost forever. There may be copies with some shakas and their descendents. GOI needs to make a national priority and have them tabulated, archived properly and texts available on computer screens.

This brings us to why GOI does not have a national program to archive all ancient sanskrit texts. The Nalanda Univ housed many valuable texts in various subjects. The Tibetians have made translation of them and preserved many of them. Rajiv Malhotra, spending his own money, is translating them back to Sanskrit. Our ministries in GOI are not doing anything, they don't seem to care about such things. What thinking by our esteemed Babu clan. The opposite is the case with Chinese, French and other cultures. We simply don't give respect to our ancient past be it Govt or students. So much gyan is embedded into them. Just the novel thinking is enough to stand out from the rest of the world.

[Vayutuvan]

"So from an Indian PoV, shouldn’t these sort of points be relevant than why two very rich and old white men are attractive because they are not senile or not snarky? The abuse of power against a political opponent is good only for talking points when putting down some gora when they wag a finger at India, not for this forum."

I agree, I don't see this is how things are progressing in this thread though..

That is not the case anymore. Harris is 59-60 vs Trump 78-79. Walz 60 vs Vance 40.
Harris and Walz are not wealthy nor is Vance. Harris is the only black woman here. She admonished Dr. S. Jaishankar for canceling his appearance at DC due to the presumed presence of Jayapal. Harris the chutzpah to admonish the minister of a sovereign nation which is democratic.

I can put down a laundry list of complaints against DNC and Biden/Harris/Blinken in particular. I don't think it serves any purpose other than to relitigate a settled matter.