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sanman wrote: 24 Nov 2023 03:52 SECRET INTELLIGENCE DOCUMENTS SHOW GLOBAL REACH OF INDIA’S DEATH SQUADS
Leaked Pakistani intelligence backs up Canada’s claim of an Indian assassination program.

https://theintercept.com/2023/11/21/ind ... -pakistan/
Love it = "Indian death squads". WTF do they expect a Nehru Award plaque?

IMO, Indians (and Israelis) are the only ones playing and enjoying this game. Note that Mossad has stated that Hamas leaders are dead men walking. Doha is not secure anymore.

Allah O Akbar.

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I do not think Pannu was ever threatened by anyone other than his own shadow.

India needs a joker in the pack. Pannu provides that feature. I do not think India has ever had any intention to kill this guy - he has never done anything more than provide comic relief.
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Question to more learned folks here

Is the move to convert all airborne battalions to SF already complete? Or is it still underway.

I have been thinking and reading a lot these past few days about our PARA SF forces and what ails them and why we are seeing such heavy SF losses in the last few years.

The actual mandate of what we want to use our Special Forces for has always been the biggest confusion. It seems in all these years of CI instead of being an elite strike force for specific missions we have made it more of a RR+ / Special Infantry which imo could have been done with just better equipping and training the RR and Ghatak platoons instead of expanding the SF role.


The mismatch in equipment between the 9, 4 PARA SFs and some of the newer ones is also disheartening to see.

While the surgical strikes were a welcome development and precise use of SF capabilities it seems we only intend to do that once every few years as a "statement operation" instead of making it a more common reaction to cross border attacks.

With the hoopla around theatrization I am surprised that the proposed AFSOD/JSOC like committee hasn't been discussed more with a goal of best utilizing the fragemrnted Indian Spec Ops
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The intercept is a Marxist/islamist propaganda portal . However enjoy the Rona dhona .

I think this may be a good time to do the joker . Just to demonstrate the capability to do those things even when under a lens . Even if he provides lal topi style comic relief (there are even physical similarities lol) .
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AkshaySG wrote: 25 Nov 2023 19:27 Question to more learned folks here

Is the move to convert all airborne battalions to SF already complete? Or is it still underway.

I have been thinking and reading a lot these past few days about our PARA SF forces and what ails them and why we are seeing such heavy SF losses in the last few years.

The actual mandate of what we want to use our Special Forces for has always been the biggest confusion. It seems in all these years of CI instead of being an elite strike force for specific missions we have made it more of a RR+ / Special Infantry which imo could have been done with just better equipping and training the RR and Ghatak platoons instead of expanding the SF role.


The mismatch in equipment between the 9, 4 PARA SFs and some of the newer ones is also disheartening to see.

While the surgical strikes were a welcome development and precise use of SF capabilities it seems we only intend to do that once every few years as a "statement operation" instead of making it a more common reaction to cross border attacks.

With the hoopla around theatrization I am surprised that the proposed AFSOD/JSOC like committee hasn't been discussed more with a goal of best utilizing the fragemrnted Indian Spec Ops
Each one of the PARA SF regiments have different mandates and they are equipped to suite the environments they operate in and their mandates. So the mismatch you are referring to should be something that happened by design and not due to procurement policy. SF's in the CI were not used along with other RR personnel. SF's in J&K have had a different mandate. Not all neutered pigs were shown to the camera's and so were the operations of the SF.
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Inside NSG Documentary - the chair from the Palm lounge at Taj gives goose pimples.

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True Story | Special Operations India: Pathankot

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https://x.com/mountain_rats/status/1764 ... 48947?s=20 ---> Mud Walking: MARCOS.

Fun Fact: One of the most gruelling/ physically demanding parts of training. Performed during low tide in designated areas with soft mud bottom over distances of 500 meters to one km (routinely) and sometimes more! One is embedded knee/ thigh/waist deep in the mud (depending on one's height). The key is to keep moving and not allow body weight to sink into the mud! Torture for thigh and calf muscles but I've been told, this event (before, during and after) makes for amazing memories!

https://x.com/elitepredatorss/status/17 ... 94895?s=20 ---> And when you get stuck in the mud, nobody comes to rescue you. They just leave you there till the high tide returns and then you have to get out of the mud. They just throw some water bottles around you so that you don't die of dehydration. MARCOS are crazy.

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https://www.msn.com/en-in/news/India/in ... cc3&ei=126

PARA SF Enhances Precision Strikes With Laser Target Designators

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the Indian Army's PARA Special Forces (SF) are now equipped with Laser Target Designators (LTD). These portable devices are a game-changer in dense conflict zones, enabling precision strikes on enemy positions with minimal risk to ground troops and reduced collateral damage.

Laser designators operate by emitting a highly focused beam of light at a target, a process known as "painting the target." Sensors on laser-guided bombs or missiles detect the reflected laser beam from the painted target. Once released, these munitions home in on the laser's reflection, ensuring a direct hit with remarkable accuracy.

The deployment of LTDs allows small PARA SF units on the ground to visually confirm targets and make real-time adjustments to the aiming point. This capability is especially critical in complex and fluid combat environments where precision and flexibility are paramount. The ability to guide munitions directly to a target means that PARA SF units can effectively neutralize threats without the need to storm enemy positions on foot, significantly reducing the risk to soldiers.

Moreover, these laser designators enhance the PARA SF's ability to call in air support when facing overwhelming enemy numbers. By marking targets for aircraft, the ground units can ensure that air strikes are accurately directed, providing critical support without the extensive collateral damage often associated with full-scale air strikes.
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^^^
Assuming IAF Garuds already had this capability?
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VIDEO: https://x.com/TacticalKafir/status/1821147132843167779 ---> PARA Special Forces Probation.
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PARA SFs, Indian Army, Weapons & Dangerous Missions featuring Colonel Shivender Kanwar

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Hijacks, Para SF Training, NSGs & Safety of India Exposed - Colonel Kaushal Kashyap

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Yes these days Col Shuvendra Kanwar and Kaushal sir are in several podcasts sharing their experiences and inspiring. I am not sure if such a sudden increase in exposing our Special forces elite on social media could be a well thought out decision to inspire young generation to opt for Army.
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https://www.msn.com/en-in/news/India/2- ... f8f86&ei=8

2 commandoes drown during training exercise
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Two commando trainers of the junior wing of Maratha Light Infantry Regimental Centre (MLIRC) commando training centre in Belagavi, drowned while trying to save the four trainees when their boat capsized due to the high current in the back waters of Tilari dam in Maharashtra, officers familiar with the matter said on Sunday.
very very tragic
“The incident took place when one of the boats with six people capsized just after moving for about 50 metres from the starting point. The two trainers, who were in the boat, tried to save the four trainees.”

“After struggling for more than two hours, the commandos were able to save the trainees. However, the commandos no longer had strength to swim past the strong current and drowned,” he said.
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^ Distressing and disturbing to hear

They had to struggle for 2 hours without support?
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Salute to those trainers who gave it their all :(
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^^ Couldn't they use other boats or a helicopter for rescue? Were they all alone in the exercise?
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Hard to say from armchair. If they were caught in some nasty rapids, things would be moving too fast
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Watched the interview of Praveen Teotia Sir, and I am very annoyed by the kind of truth he mentioned. It does not seem real, this is not our armed forces, but why? What are we missing in his story?

[youtube] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_F49L6UrnR0 [/youtube]
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brvarsh wrote: 13 Sep 2024 11:14 Watched the interview of Praveen Teotia Sir, and I am very annoyed by the kind of truth he mentioned. It does not seem real, this is not our armed forces, but why? What are we missing in his story?

[youtube] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_F49L6UrnR0 [/youtube]
Do watch this as well

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u5jLr4dOqg4&t=5231s
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rkhanna wrote: 13 Sep 2024 14:28
brvarsh wrote: 13 Sep 2024 11:14 Watched the interview of Praveen Teotia Sir, and I am very annoyed by the kind of truth he mentioned. It does not seem real, this is not our armed forces, but why? What are we missing in his story?

[youtube] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_F49L6UrnR0 [/youtube]
Do watch this as well

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u5jLr4dOqg4&t=5231s
Its hard to comment on overall defense strategy and question the wisdom of Army, Political and even Bureaucratic leadership, why or why not Agneeveer should stay or go but irrespective we all acknowledge a fourth dimension of War is already upon us and that is use of drones, robots, attack with extreme number of such and it would be detrimental to our security if we stay comfortable on past laurels and profiles and do not adapt. What I was more concerned after the interview with Praveen Teotia is the HR aspect of it. Are we missing something not discussed here, but once you are a soldier, specially someone who has put its life on harm's way, deserve to be treated well, far well even by their units. A disabled soldier should not be running pillar to post for anything.
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Indian Commando shares his Experience in Kashmir and Manipur -
Major Digvijay Singh Rawat, 21 Para SF


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NRao wrote: 24 Nov 2023 06:35
sanman wrote: 24 Nov 2023 03:52 SECRET INTELLIGENCE DOCUMENTS SHOW GLOBAL REACH OF INDIA’S DEATH SQUADS
Leaked Pakistani intelligence backs up Canada’s claim of an Indian assassination program.

https://theintercept.com/2023/11/21/ind ... -pakistan/
Love it = "Indian death squads". WTF do they expect a Nehru Award plaque?

IMO, Indians (and Israelis) are the only ones playing and enjoying this game. Note that Mossad has stated that Hamas leaders are dead men walking. Doha is not secure anymore.

Allah O Akbar.

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I do not think Pannu was ever threatened by anyone other than his own shadow.

India needs a joker in the pack. Pannu provides that feature. I do not think India has ever had any intention to kill this guy - he has never done anything more than provide comic relief.
But one thing which is noticeable is all unknown gunmen in Pak have gone silent from sometime...

May be low profile due to Canada and US controversy. I hope we revive them soon...
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Regarding the evaluation/procurement of that weird "flying man" hardware from the Gravity Industries company, why not look at something like this Flyboard Air thing instead, since it seems less cumbersome:


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Actually, this concept seems even better -- the Copterpack -- battery electric for quieter operation



https://evtol.news/copterpack-copterpack
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https://www.tribuneindia.com/news/india ... d-ship/amp

How an IAF C-17 heavy-lift aircraft piloted by Wing Commander Akshay Saxena executed airdrop 2,600 km away to free hijacked ship near Africa

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in the spring of 2024, in a secret mission involving flying undeclared in foreign airspace 2,600 km away, the Indian Air Force C-17 heavy-lift aircraft flew non-stop for 10 hours to carry out a precision drop of Navy commandos and their equipment to help free a merchant vessel seized by pirates in the Arabian Sea off the coast of Somalia in Africa.

The bulk carrier, MV Ruen, had been hijacked by Somali pirates near the Yemeni island of Socotra and was intercepted by the guided missile destroyer INS Kolkata, on anti-piracy patrol under the Navy’s ongoing Operation Sankalp that was launched in 2019 to safeguard sea lanes.

The task to assist the Navy fell on No.81 Squadron, the ‘Skylords’, based at Hindon airbase near the Capital and the IAF’s sole squadron operating the Boeing C-17 Globemaster-III heavy-lift aircraft that can airlift up to 77,000 kg of cargo and has a ferry range of 11,000 km. The mission was time critical and secret, requiring careful planning and execution.

The aircraft was piloted by Wing Commander Akshay Saxena, commissioned into the Flying Branch in June 2006 and on the posted strength of the C-17 Squadron since February 2021. He has been conferred the Vayu Sena Medal for gallantry on the eve of the Republic Day – 2025.

On March 16, 2024, aircraft airdropped two Combat Rubberised Raiding Craft (CRRC) boats and a team of 18 Marine Commandos (MARCOs) with combat load to capture a pirate-controlled ship.
the operation
The officer, as Captain of the C-17 aircraft, decided to switch off all emitters, fly low level over the high seas in foreign territory and make his drop at dusk to avoid detection. Even after receiving the changed drop location only 90 kms prior to the original drop point, he guided the crew to safely execute a precision airdrop thus resulting in the capture of the pirates and rescue of MV Ruen with its 17-member crew.

The operation to rescue MV Ruen lasted 40 hours and was also supported by the Indian warship, INS Subhadra, Sea Guardian high-altitude long-endurance drones and the P-8I maritime patrol aircraft. The IAF had termed the mission as a remarkable display of jointness and integration, resulting in all 35 pirates being captured.
Pirates onboard the ship were not only launching attacks on merchant vessels in the Arabian Sea but had also fired at INS Kolkata and had shot down a naval spotter drone on March 15.

The objective area was near the Somalian coast, 2685 km from Mumbai and about 1,000 km outside the Indian Flight Information Region, that is the area in which Indian air traffic controllers exercise jurisdiction.
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Did not notice any awards conferred to the MARCOS party yet.
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^^^
Question: INS Kolkata, on anti-piracy patrol, did not have MARCOS and CRRC boats?

Maybe in most cases lightly armed boarding security team is sufficient enough.

IMO, IN’s NGOPV better suited for these sort of operations once they are inducted in sufficient numbers. As the piracy capabilities are becoming more sophisticated, hosting a squad of MARCOS on board whenever patrolling these higher risk areas might start to make sense.
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^ +1

Make sense to have anti-piracy forces on board all INS ships on patrol/support ops near the piracy affected area.

Proficient in boarding and rescue ops, suitably armed and equipped, not necessarily to MARCOS standards.
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But sir Sakinaw from seeing a C-17 unload boats and parachutes over your head is highly effective. Less convincing needed to surrender thereafter. plus, some good live training opportunity for our boys for marine insertion 1000s of km away at short notice.
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Live training is fine but it doesn't replace having a regular force deployment.

The first responders need to be on-board the on-station patrol/protection ships. If the threat is too much and/or too risky then they can ring in the high flying, heavy hitters
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Anti-piracy is Law and Order issue so under the ambit of Coast guard, who may have been on board but once it became a military situation with hijack, the Marcos may have been called in with additional equipment.

This is just like in Captain Philips situation, where there were multiple assets, but once it became a hostage situation, Seals were air dropped over the target area.
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Bala Vignesh wrote: 31 Jan 2025 12:43 Anti-piracy is Law and Order issue so under the ambit of Coast guard, who may have been on board but once it became a military situation with hijack, the Marcos may have been called in with additional equipment.

This is just like in Captain Philips situation, where there were multiple assets, but once it became a hostage situation, Seals were air dropped over the target area.
Can the coast guard be involved outside the territorial waters of India?
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Bala Vignesh wrote: 31 Jan 2025 12:43 Anti-piracy is Law and Order issue so under the ambit of Coast guard, who may have been on board but once it became a military situation with hijack, the Marcos may have been called in with additional equipment.

This is just like in Captain Philips situation, where there were multiple assets, but once it became a hostage situation, Seals were air dropped over the target area.
True. In other cases the on-station component has dealt with situations it could resolve itself. But it is also a fact that we don't have the quantity of resources like the US. And so we need to adapt to keep the costly and sparse resources (equipment and personnel) reserved for use in war time.

Hence need to think of having detachments of specialists on board the on-station vessels itself, since the situations are fairly frequent. Additional personnel can be called in when deemed necessary, as happened in this case.

Similarly we could consider having backup of a number of older but airworthy civilian (and military) airliners (can be second hand, on wet lease etc) which can be used for the frequent civilian rescue missions we seem to frequently need rather than use our costly and sparse specialist troop transport military birds.
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sanjayc wrote: 31 Jan 2025 13:18 Can the coast guard be involved outside the territorial waters of India?
Yes, the Anti-Piracy Act of 2022, under the UN Convention on Law of Seas(UNCLOS) to which india is a signatory, gives both IN and ICG the authority to engage in anti-piracy operations both within and outside indian waters.
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https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/cit ... 028372.cms

IAF junior warrant officer from Karnataka dies as parachute fails to open during drill
A junior warrant officer in the Indian Air Force (IAF) from Karnataka lost his life after his parachute failed to open during a routine training exercise at Paratrooper Training School (PTS) in Agra on Friday. The 36-year-old paratrooper fell in a wheat field near PTS. A detailed probe has been initiated into the incident, IAF sources said.
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May God give strength to his family to bear his irreplaceable loss

Om Shanti
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https://www.msn.com/en-in/news/india/me ... 0add5&ei=9

Meghalaya's Umiam lake hosts IAF's combat training exercise featuring specialised ops

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The Indian Air Force (IAF) conducted a combat training exercise, showcasing multiple aircraft, helicopters, para jumpers, and specialized operations at Umiam Lake in Shillong.

The exercise aimed to enhance interoperability with the Indian Army Special Forces and the Navy.

The training exercise included Combat Rubberised Raiding Craft drops, para jumps, and helocasting (jumping from an aircraft into water) using An-32 and C-130 aircraft.

The exercises were witnessed by National Cadet Corps (NCC) cadets in Shillong, who observed the operations firsthand.

Sharing details of the training on X, the IAF wrote, "IAF executed combat operations training at Umiam Lake, Shillong, featuring Combat Rubberised Raiding Craft drops, para jumps, and helocasting from An-32, C-130 aircraft, and Mi-17 helicopters."

"These missions enhance interoperability with Indian Army Special Forces and were witnessed and admired by NCC cadets in Shillong," added the IAF.
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https://www.theweek.in/news/defence/202 ... -feet.html
DRDO's combat parachute pushes limits; freefall jump carried out from 27,000 feet
The combat freefall jump of military combat parachute system was carried out from an altitude of 27,000ft with a full combat load
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n a major achievement, the combat freefall jump of military combat parachute system (MPCS) developed by Aerial Delivery Research and Development Establishment (ADRDE), a laboratory of the Indian Defence Research and Development Organisation (DRDO), was carried out recently.

MCPS is a sophisticated parachute system designed for military operations, particularly for special forces. It allows paratroopers to jump from aircraft with a combat load, deploy their parachutes at predetermined altitudes, and navigate and land safely.
350 jumps have been carried out
The parachute system can be used in High Altitude High Opening (HAHO), High Altitude Medium Opening (HAMO), and High-Altitude Low Opening (HALO) modes, depending on the operational requirements.

In a tweet, the DRDO announced that the freefall jump was done from an altitude of 27,000ft with a full combat load, making it the only parachute system capable of being deployed above 25,000ft currently in use by Indian armed forces.

The jump was carried out by Wing Commander Vishal Lakhesh VM(G), MWO R J Singh, MWO A. A. Baidya demonstrating the effectiveness of the indigenous combat parachute system.

"MCPS offers improved tactical features, including a lower rate of descent and enhanced steering capabilities. It enable paratroopers to jump from aircraft and deploy their parachutes at predetermined altitudes, navigate and safe landing to designated areas," the tweet from DRDO said.
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