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"No Runner Up In Conflict", Eastern Command Head Says #IAF Keeping Pace With Fast Changing Dynamics
In the runup to and beyond Indian Air Force (IAF) Day on October 8, 2024, StratNews Global brings you our next series of on-the-ground interviews and documentaries from the IAF's Eastern Air Command (EAC). In Eastern Front AirPower, Season 2, Part 1, Air Marshal S.P. Dharkar, Air Officer Commanding-in-Chief (AOC-in-C), EAC speaks to StratNews Global Associate Editor Amitabh P. Revi. The SNG team of Amitabh, Rohit Pandita and Aryaman Singh Negi travel to film this interview at the picturesque Tawang Advanced Landing Ground (ALG). The AOC-in-C speaks on a wide-ranging set of issues in this comprehensive chat. Click to catch Season 1 here.

IAF's Future Challenges
On the IAF's present and future challenges, Air Marshal Dharkar firmly points out, "There's no runner up in a conflict. So you have to keep pace with whatever is happening around you. Look a little further into the distant future. And prepare as well as participate in what's likely to come. Whether that is in terms of technology. Whether it is in terms of TTP (tactics, techniques, procedures). Whether it is in terms of practices that you need to incorporate. Whether it is in the nature of interactions that you need to do. And all in all, whether it is in terms of understanding the whole model so as to be participative wherever you can be. And that goes across the entire spectrum of everything we do. There used to be a time earlier when cutting edge technology used to first find its way into the military and then evolve thereafter for more prolific use. That metric, in my opinion, is changing. Now you find cutting edge technology also entering the civilian domain almost at the same time. And sometimes even earlier.

IAF And India's Neighbourhood

When you look at the nature of adversarial developments that you see in the neighborhood as well," the AOC-in-C, EAC says, "the changing dynamics of what goes on here. I'd mentioned we have five neighbours. And we've seen very recently what happened in the neighborhood. It's a continuing challenge. How we would aim to prepare for it is to be alive to the situation. To be interacting internally with all means of government, within the country to work towards furthering our government's intentions in terms of outreach. And being adequately collaborative with everybody around so as to maximise what we can get, to make it the best bang for the buck".

Air Marshal Dharkar also discusses:

*The EAC area of responsibility with 5 bordering countries and Chinese occupied Tibet as well as 12 states.
*IAF's Rafale omni-role fighter jets that are stationed at the Hasimara Air Force Station.
*Infrastructure development at the IAF's bases, stations and ALGs.
*Medium Endurance Long Endurance UAVs.
*Critical support of the Indian Army.
*Challenges in the EAC.
*Training in varied atmosphere and terrain.
*Why foreign militaries come to the EAC?
*Full-mission simulators and upgrades.
*The connection that IAF has made with the common person through its crises ops.
*Chief priorities as AOC-in-C
*How future ready is the IAF.
*and India's Space Doctrine.
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Aatmanirbharta should not cost IAF dear
https://www.tribuneindia.com/news/comme ... -iaf-dear/
28 Sept 2024
This, then, is the reality of a situation where the IAF has placed all its eggs — for the next 40 years at least — in the Hindustan Aeronautics Limited / Defence Research and Development Organisation basket while juggling with its depleting squadron strength. The statement of IAF’s Vice Chief about aatmanirbharta versus national defence, thus, merits serious consideration. If one pays attention to his full speech made at the air-power seminar, one would notice that it actually highlights the IAF’s thrust to whole-heartedly support indigenous products.
^^^This is where the real burnol is...
Salary should not be a roadblock if this ghar wapasi attempt is to bear fruit.
^^^ Taking a socio-religious program and applying it to aircraft development. Where is the face palm icon when you need it? We are doomed as a country. This is our senior military leadership at its best. What an utterly pathetic state of affairs.
And an offbeat suggestion, please take the Opposition along in this endeavour, as it has an equal stake in the defence of the nation.
^^^ We experienced this from 1947 - 2014 (with both Congress and BJP Govts at the helm). And the record from 2014 has been marginally better. And he wants to take the opposition into confidence :roll:

This is the same opposition that wanted to kill the Rafale deal based on flimsy and unsubstantiated rumours. Not a single Rafale in IAF service was ever manufactured by Anil Ambani's company and the Rafale deal was cleared *TWICE* by the Supreme Court of India.
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The multiple travails of the IAF: India’s fighter strength depletion
https://www.orfonline.org/expert-speak/ ... -depletion
19 Sept 2024
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Rakesh wrote: 28 Sep 2024 21:51 Aatmanirbharta should not cost IAF dear
https://www.tribuneindia.com/news/comme ... -iaf-dear/
28 Sept 2024
https://x.com/wartrophy_414/status/1840017660911972630 ---> Let me tell you the cost of an Imported Air Force.

* 2 Phalcons (imports) negotiated at cost of > US $1 billion

* Cost of R&D + purchase of 6 Netra Mk2 < US $1.5B as cleared by CCS

* Estimated cost of 6 Netra Mk1A -- US $1.07B

Kijiye Import, Kheliye Import, Karte Rahiye Import. Alhua Import!
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A great tweet to the gutter trash article below. Apart from the usual suspects who argue for imports, most of the tweets in response to the article below are against the ideas raised in the article.
Rakesh wrote: 28 Sep 2024 21:51 Aatmanirbharta should not cost IAF dear
https://www.tribuneindia.com/news/comme ... -iaf-dear/
28 Sept 2024
https://x.com/alpha_defense/status/1840323480145051952 ---> India is changing; Go read that “import Endorsement” OpEd. The comment section says it all :) Kudos India! That is real awakening, you can behave as if you aren’t hearing but now endorsing import isn’t easy and no way you can justify to masses.

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Another very sobering and bitter reality is that nothing is going to come on time. At the rate of two F404 engines per month (a promissory schedule from the OEM to HAL), we can at best induct 1 squadron (20 aircraft) of Tejas Mk1As a year. The MRFA will come even slower than that. And the engine contract for the Tejas Mk2 is for around 100 turbofans I believe, which is enough for just 5 squadrons (100 aircraft), while the total production and induction is for 200 aircraft. So just like with the second tranche of the Mk1A order (97 aircraft which is still not ordered and neither have the turbofans been ordered!), we will have to work on a new contract with GE. Round-and-Round-the-Merry-Go-Round-Circle we go.

This environment exists because there is no long term plan, no long term vision. Everything is done in band-aid mode and in piecemeal format.

* 36 Rafales + 114 MRFA
* 83 Tejas Mk1A + 97 Tejas Mk1A
* 100 Tejas Mk2 + 101 Tejas Mk2

Same issue with AEW&C aircraft, in-flight refuellers, helicopters, trainer aircraft, etc....
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Many of us thought, having a nationalistic government in the helm, will help in reforming & improving our entire defense & MIC. Things did look up during NDA-1, especially with Parrikar in charge. Post 2019, the MoD seems to be lethargic & just going along with the flow. I am sure there are many small positive changes that has happened in the last 6 years but the value addition seems incremental & not significant fillip that is sorely needed to bring in the major shake ups. With regards to planning, funding, taking tough decisions on imports...at least to us outside observers, the direction is not encouraging. I guess, a major positive is that neither there are no scams nor decision paralysis as it was during UPA years.
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With Parrikar, many atmanirbhar projects were given the fillup to proceed - artillery, LCA, Helos, missiles, etc. In the world of MoD, Armed forces and DRDO there are competing interests and each entity protects its turf diligently. Rajnath Singh is clueless about the nuances and he is afraid to set anything different and contrary to the advice he is getting. He is clueless and does not know a good danda helps set direction. Let me tell you that atmanirbhar projects require someone at the top who understands the impact and grooms people within to pursue the path. Mohan Parrikar identified some lower level people within and gave them full leeway, e.g. Artillery, LCA, Helos, etc. With Parrikar I am sure we would have had Kaveri flying by now, LCA MK2 flying, perhaps AMCA and TEDBF rolled out by now and in test phase. The lethargy in these orgs is pretty well set since people are used to 10 yr projects with a program manager to baby sit the timeline with charts/graphs, so that they justify themselves for a long time. Snail's pace progress is being made instead of mission mode urgency. I wish Modiji addresses this lacunae in the defence sector.
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Nothing is going to change until the services themselves want to change. You cannot blame everyone else (MoD, GOI, IAS) and everything else (budget), if there is no shift in thinking within the service.

The foundational issue lies with the fact the leadership of the services live in an echo chamber of serving + retired officers - combined with some civilians who put the leadership on a demi-God pedestal, by being hyper nationalistic on Twitter and elsewhere - who keep chugging along the same old tried & true strategy of adhoc acquisitions.

The change has to come from within. Air HQ has to believe that Atmanirbhar Bharat (Self Reliance) goes beyond annual IAF Day speeches and at press meets. Air HQ needed a Parrikar to convince them to accept a Tejas Mk1A aircraft? Is this not something that Air HQ could themselves have envisioned? And what changed between the 83 Mk1A order and the upcoming 97 Mk1A order? 180 aircraft is what should have been ordered from the very beginning.

They have an opportunity to show the change ---> Order the entire production run of the Tejas Mk2 in one go. Place the order for 201 aircraft, instead of piecemeal mode like is being done with the Tejas Mk1A. Below is Air HQ's OWN plan, so follow through. If they have time + manpower + funds for 114 MRFA, they should have the same resources for 201 Mk2s no?

https://x.com/SJha1618/status/1773283439996797189?s=20 ---> 220 + 201 + 272 + 189 = 882
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Another great tweet in response to the article, but this time from HVT Sir.
Rakesh wrote: 28 Sep 2024 21:51 Aatmanirbharta should not cost IAF dear
https://www.tribuneindia.com/news/comme ... -iaf-dear/
28 Sept 2024
https://x.com/hvtiaf_bharat/status/1840207497271095475 ---> Atmanirbharta is a long-term strategy, here to stay, forever. To leap forward, we took a few steps back. But read the signs. Results have no choice but to emerge.
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Its an easy fix, if GOI wants it. Only people who have delivered on Atmanirbharta projects will be considered for promotion.
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War will be won with 36 Rafales :twisted:
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HAL hands over first of 240 AL-31FP engines to IAF for it's Su-30MKI

HAL delivers first AL-31FP engine to IAF for Su-30MKI
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Rakesh wrote: 28 Sep 2024 21:51 Aatmanirbharta should not cost IAF dear
https://www.tribuneindia.com/news/comme ... -iaf-dear/
28 Sept 2024
https://x.com/SJha1618/status/1841065987195506710 ---> Claims to authority do not confer authority. This is something that some veterans who seem to be a little too critical of indigenous military-industrial developments would do well to note.
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Rakesh wrote: 28 Sep 2024 21:51 Aatmanirbharta should not cost IAF dear
https://www.tribuneindia.com/news/comme ... -iaf-dear/
28 Sept 2024
Click on link below to read the rest of the Twitter thread...

https://x.com/Arun_Golaya/status/1840692844958257340 ---> Lots of chatter about ‘Atmanirbhar’ Vs ‘Operational Readiness’ issues due to @BahadurManmohan article. Quite a few people have commented. Some have asked me (1) My views and (2) Why the @indiannavy has been more successful than sister services.
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As per Russian sources, Russia and India are discussing to manufacture 50 additional SU MKI's

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0kVbxcrm-NA

Starting at 0:30 seconds (few seconds only)
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VinodTK wrote: 03 Oct 2024 20:36 As per Russian sources, Russia and India are discussing to manufacture 50 additional SU MKI's

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0kVbxcrm-NA

Starting at 0:30 seconds (few seconds only)
Oh God no! If true, this will take the IAF's heavy Flanker fleet to over 310! Now is the time to invest in a more modern airframe with a much lower RCS.

It would basically mean there is no MRFA happening.

BTW, that Youtube source is notorious for putting anything and everything out there as if it's real. Very hard to sift through what is actually true versus made up stuff or rumours dressed up as news items. I'd wait for a more trustworthy news source.
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One import (Su-30MKI) does not justify another import (MRFA), but it will indeed kill the contest.

But if the above news is true - and that is a BIG if - then it is probably Air HQ's way of not having the F-15EX win the technical downselect. Against the Rafale, the Eagle II is a more capable platform. But seeing Air HQ's penchant for US fighters, they will try to reduce the number of MRFAs being purchased. Anything less than 100, will result in no production line in India. At that stage the MRFA is done and the argument can be made to acquire more of the existing platforms in active service i.e. additional Su-30MKIs and Rafales.

If 50 additional Su-30MKIs are indeed acquired, then 114 MRFA is not needed. So 114 - 50 = 64 or 3.5 squadrons.

For all the talk of investing in the Tejas platform, please note the following;

* 220 Tejas Mk/Mk1A: With GE F404 turbofan.
* 200 Tejas Mk2: With GE F414 turbofan.

That is 420 aircraft with an American origin turbofan. Who in Air HQ wants yet another fighter with a US turbofan?

The only variable that matters is what Air HQ wants.
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Straight from the eagles mouth..

TOI - 'China rapidly building infrastructure along LAC': IAF chief
In response to a question, the IAF chief shared his views on China's military growth and India's preparedness in response, saying, "We have done our analysis. We don't have a design to go offensive unnecessarily. Only when we are pushed will we be doing something. So we have our plans in place. One place we can positively say we are training much better than them. We have exposure much better than them."

"Because we do come to know through our sources how they train, how many different air forces they interact with and how many do we interact with. So I am very confident that as far as human angle is concerned, as far as our people behind the machine are concerned, we are way ahead of them. As far as technology is concerned, we may be not so good as of now. We have lagged. We were better than them in technology also some time back. But have lagged in that and we need to catch up with it. As far as production rates are concerned, we are way behind. We need to catch up with that. And that will happen over a period of time. It cannot happen overnight," Singh added.

"When it comes to building the capacity, one is capability, another one is capacity. So building the capacity, it becomes important for our manufacturing agencies to come forward and increase their production rate. When it comes to conflict situations, if you are relying on getting your weapons from outside, there will always be different interests and changing interests which can create a choke point for you."

"If you need to fight the war, you have to have them (weapons) being manufactured in India. You cannot afford to have them being bought and rely on that supply chain. It is imperative that we have these things being produced in India. We can't be stocking up everything forever. These things will have life. If we keep stocking up, we'll have wastage."
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One more source for 50 additional SU30 MKI's (starting @1:40)

Russia offers 50 more license-produced Su-30MKI jets to India
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JTawiYKvp_s
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Manish_P wrote: 04 Oct 2024 21:29 'China rapidly building infrastructure along LAC': IAF chief
"We don't have a design to go offensive unnecessarily. Only when we are pushed will we be doing something. So we have our plans in place."
These lines clearly indicate that India still persists in defensive posture instead of slight overt offence posture. The idea that we will do something when pushed has to go away. Having an offence posture means that no one will mess around with Bharat. So what has the IAF done to impress on the politico class that some offence is the best form of defence.
Manish_P wrote: 04 Oct 2024 21:29 'China rapidly building infrastructure along LAC': IAF chief
"As far as technology is concerned, we may be not so good as of now. As far as production rates are concerned, we are way behind."
This is clearly shoving your head in the sand and complaining. So again what has the IAF done to help the nation move forward. It called the Tejas the 3-legged cheetah. No co-opting with the requirements. Business requirements are key to any product anywhere in the world. Instead of giving pie in the sky requirements culled from multiple brochures, what has the IAF accomplished in terms of a sane indigenous effort to get technology. I would argue none so far. So for production rates where have been the timely quantity orders, it is in fits and dribble so far. The IAF version of TEDBF, should have been pushed instead of chasing after MRFA from videshi land. By now India should have flown the TEDBF to compete with Rafale. What prevented the IAF from planning ahead. Even in Helos the IA took the lead when IAF chased the Apache helo which cannot fly the himalayan heights. Pathetic for IAF, LCH is an after thought for them.

Clearly the chief saying such vacuous lines is not the way forward. These topics are too important for airing them on the media. Why the freaking hell do these chiefs not hash things out in private. The only public message I need to hear from them via Media is that they working as team with HAL on improving their fleet of indigenous aircrafts and they are whole-heartedly behind the goal. All the rest are moronic stmts for increasing the sales of media reports.
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Rakesh wrote: 28 Sep 2024 21:51 Aatmanirbharta should not cost IAF dear
https://www.tribuneindia.com/news/comme ... -iaf-dear/
28 Sept 2024
https://x.com/wartrophy_414/status/1842317228412395941 ---> Your oped is basically "ohh there's delay in supply of imported engines, so let's just import the whole aircraft." Tell me again what options does IAF even have as now? MRFA? At best we can get 2-3 more sqns of Rafale, but pay for MRFA & say bye bye to everything else ($25+ billion).
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bala wrote: 04 Oct 2024 23:22 These lines clearly indicate that India still persists in defensive posture instead of slight overt offence posture. The idea that we will do something when pushed has to go away. Having an offence posture means that no one will mess around with Bharat. So what has the IAF done to impress on the politico class that some offence is the best form of defence.
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VinodTK wrote: 03 Oct 2024 20:36 As per Russian sources, Russia and India are discussing to manufacture 50 additional SU MKI's

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0kVbxcrm-NA

Starting at 0:30 seconds (few seconds only)
Russia offers 50 more license-produced Su-30MKI jets to India
https://bulgarianmilitary.com/2024/10/0 ... -to-india/
02 Oct 2024
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As fighter strength dips below 1965 level, Air chief vows to fight with 'whatever we have'
https://economictimes.indiatimes.com/ne ... 992521.cms
08 Oct 2024

https://x.com/manupubby/status/1843143084382826610 ---> Air Chief Marshal Amar Preet Singh vows to fight with `whatever we have’ as fighter strength dips below 1965 level. Fighter Squadrons dip to 31, two with barely flying MiG-21s. Decision on multi role fighters not yet taken.

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Rakesh wrote: 08 Oct 2024 20:25 As fighter strength dips below 1965 level, Air chief vows to fight with 'whatever we have'
https://economictimes.indiatimes.com/ne ... 992521.cms
08 Oct 2024
https://x.com/ElliotKaufman6/status/1842729876538679637 ---> 1.5 billion shekel contract: Elbit will build a factory to manufacture bombs for Israeli Air Force aircraft. The plant is intended to reduce Israel's dependence on the supply of bombs from the US, some of which is delayed due to politics.

https://x.com/Firezstarter1/status/1843291956618957019 ---> Meanwhile we will use our emergency procurement funds to order from that factory as well. The comedy that is our IDDM.
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By Shekar Gupta :mrgreen: :roll:

Air Chief on falling squadron strength on IAF’s 92nd anniversary: How did we stall & what’s the way out?

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Rakesh wrote: 08 Oct 2024 20:25 https://x.com/manupubby/status/1843143084382826610 ---> Air Chief Marshal Amar Preet Singh vows to fight with `whatever we have’ as fighter strength dips below 1965 level. Fighter Squadrons dip to 31, two with barely flying MiG-21s. Decision on multi role fighters not yet taken.
https://x.com/Firezstarter1/status/1843252734755262895 --->

IAF: Delayed inducting the Tejas Mk1 till it was forced to. Committed to the Mk1A late, production is yet to stabilise.

GOI: Limited funds delaying Tejas orders, zero interest in funding a domestic engine program, mortgaged Tejas to an imported engine.

Duo: Made for each other.
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+1
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This we will fight with what we have statement is not bravery but an admission of incompetence in planning & execution
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Rakesh wrote: 08 Oct 2024 20:41
Rakesh wrote: 08 Oct 2024 20:25 https://x.com/manupubby/status/1843143084382826610 ---> Air Chief Marshal Amar Preet Singh vows to fight with `whatever we have’ as fighter strength dips below 1965 level. Fighter Squadrons dip to 31, two with barely flying MiG-21s. Decision on multi role fighters not yet taken.
https://x.com/Firezstarter1/status/1843252734755262895 --->

IAF: Delayed inducting the Tejas Mk1 till it was forced to. Committed to the Mk1A late, production is yet to stabilise.

GOI: Limited funds delaying Tejas orders, zero interest in funding a domestic engine program, mortgaged Tejas to an imported engine.

Duo: Made for each other.
But don't forget the third party in the love triangle sir. The ada and associated technocrats who insisted on a US engine. And HALs penchant for screwdriver giri. There was a tube when the Russians were willing to offer major dekko on the al32fo, but hal I believe rejected days offer.
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Prem Kumar wrote: 08 Oct 2024 23:11 This we will fight with what we have statement is not bravery but an admission of incompetence in planning & execution
It is a mix of incompetence on the part of the IAF, coupled with a Govt that is simply not interested in a big ticket import for fighter jets anymore. They're willing to spend a massive amount on a new P-75I rather than have a follow on to the Scorpene but for fighter jets it has to be HAL.

Successive govts have failed the IAF as well. Accorded AoN, completed all the formalities and then unable to complete a contract. Then an emergency contract for 36, followed by zilch while PM Modi goes around telling the world that "This is not an era for war".

I'll be honest - I am hugely disappointed in his lack of action on this front. I didn't expect much from Rajnath Singh, who is a misfit in such an important role, but PM Modi has clearly no interest in taking a call on the MRFA after the fake Rafale scam.
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Air Chief Marshal has no good words for the Tejas, how it is easy to fly, modern compared to the old Mig-21 it replaced. Ease of training pilots, modern weapons and much more in the Tejas. No praise at all, instead it is a whining session of depleted forces, hick ups in production and more. There is no balance in the media tête-à-tête, what gives?
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bala wrote: 09 Oct 2024 10:45 Air Chief Marshal has no good words for the Tejas, how it is easy to fly, modern compared to the old Mig-21 it replaced. Ease of training pilots, modern weapons and much more in the Tejas. No praise at all, instead it is a whining session of depleted forces, hick ups in production and more. There is no balance in the media tête-à-tête, what gives?
Sirjee,

He's inducting 40 + 83 + 97 = 220 aircraft. That's 10-11 full squadrons...a full 1/3 of his "much-less-than-the-42-i-need" 30 squadron fleet

He's putting 1/3 of his eggs in the Tejas + USA's GE-404 bucket

If that's not a statement of his intent, and if that's not a vote of confidence in the India-US relationship, then I don't know what is
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^^^ Plus another 100+ (at minimum) Tejas Mk2s (with USA's GE-F414 turbofan) + another 40 AMCA Mk1s with GE-F414 turbofans.
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titash wrote: 09 Oct 2024 20:24 If that's not a statement of his intent, and if that's not a vote of confidence in the India-US relationship, then I don't know what is
Titash ji, the point I was making is not on intent, rather it is about a word of praise for the desi murgi called Tejas. The Engine, etc., is not the issue, and I am hoping Kaveri replaces the US maal eventually. There are many positive things about the Tejas and a huge advantage for the hawai jahaz force which does not seem to be making the media rounds. The diagnostic features added in Tejas must warrant a word of praise. The many thoughtful additions/modifications that were made on feedback by pilots must be appreciated. Tejas agility is quite obvious compared to the dud Chinese jahaz that the neighbor next door procured. Bharat has managed to produce a modern craft which can prove its mettle in warfare in numbers. When net-worked together they can form a mesh which is a major plus point for integrated ISR during war. The weapon suite is also being fine tuned for the Tejas. Our folks need to be a little bit more bragging about what ADA/HAL achieved thus far, pride in self created stuff is the first step towards confidence, not bragging about videshi maal and being mere operators.
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^^^
If “depleting” numbers a big issue, then continue to produce Su-30MKI and Tejas Mk1A :twisted:

The first batch of Su-30MKIs are getting to around 25-years old. MLU is in works. At some point when satisfactory “medium” category is fulfilled, older Su-30MKI could be retired or put in reserves.

Tejas Mk1A is a “definitive” variant that the IAF happy with. Continue with its production run even beyond current numbers if there are delays with “medium” category. Later, older models / excess can be re-sold/“gifted” to other nations to build strategic alliances.
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bala wrote: 09 Oct 2024 21:20 Titash ji, the point I was making is not on intent, rather it is about a word of praise for the desi murgi called Tejas. The Engine, etc., is not the issue, and I am hoping Kaveri replaces the US maal eventually. There are many positive things about the Tejas and a huge advantage for the hawai jahaz force which does not seem to be making the media rounds. The diagnostic features added in Tejas must warrant a word of praise. The many thoughtful additions/modifications that were made on feedback by pilots must be appreciated. Tejas agility is quite obvious compared to the dud Chinese jahaz that the neighbor next door procured. Bharat has managed to produce a modern craft which can prove its mettle in warfare in numbers. When net-worked together they can form a mesh which is a major plus point for integrated ISR during war. The weapon suite is also being fine tuned for the Tejas. Our folks need to be a little bit more bragging about what ADA/HAL achieved thus far, pride in self created stuff is the first step towards confidence, not bragging about videshi maal and being mere operators.
+ And safety! It replaces unforgiving machines like the Migs and is equipped with CLAW based built-in safety which will never allow aircraft outside safe envelop. Especially auto low-speed recovery for pilot under stress. NLCA has 'bolter' mode for automatic take-off in case of a missed arrest at landing. For an air force that harped on safety of pilots, why is there total silence on the safety of the aircraft? Damn, even without pilot and flamed out engine it flew steady!
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Prem Kumar wrote: 08 Oct 2024 23:11 This we will fight with what we have statement is not bravery but an admission of incompetence in planning & execution
No. He won't fight with what he has. He'll dfight ith what he wished he had.
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Will waving brochures at the enemy help? Latest brochures from Western companies?
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If I remember right Su7B raids on Shorkot Road from Amritsar while successful had to be abandoned since each aircraft had 3 Drop tanks which they ran out, this is the Achilles heal when one fights with imported weapons
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