India - Canada - News and Discussion. (2018)

[sanjaykumar]

Perhaps I am also arithmetic challenged but when I look at percentages, CBC, venerable as it is, seems to be the most influential of all media listed. It is government sponsored.

[chetak]

Opposition has begun criticising Modi government for embarrasing India in pursuit of securing the national interest. One opposition MP claims "Great nations act according to rules based world order..."

Here are some instances where "great nation", the United States of America faced criticism and apologized for illegal wiretapping or surveillance in foreign countries, potentially violating international laws and Geneva Conventions.

HARD FACT 1: ECHELON Scandal (1990s-2000s): The US, UK, Canada, Australia, and New Zealand were accused of intercepting communications through the ECHELON system, violating sovereignty and privacy.

FOOD FOR THOUGHT

The so-called 5 (white) Eyes Intelligence knew about Nijjar's killers in Canada but we're clueless about the 3000 Hamas fidayeens planning to storm into Israel and kill thousands of innocent citizens including babies. Incredibly believable !!!!!

Apology/Action: The European Parliament condemned ECHELON in 2001, leading to increased scrutiny.

HARD FACT 2: 2013: Leaked documents revealed the U.S NSA tapped Merkel's phone.

Apology/Action: President Barack Obama apologized to Merkel, and the US promised to curb surveillance.

HARD FACT 3: 2015: WikiLeaks revealed NSA surveillance on French Presidents Jacques Chirac, Nicolas Sarkozy, and François Hollande.

Apology/Action: The US Ambassador to France apologized, and the US reassured France of its commitment to privacy.

HARD FACT 4. 2013: Leaked documents showed U.S NSA spied on Brazilian President Dilma Rousseff's communications.

Apology/Action: President Obama apologized to Rousseff, and the US offered assurances.

HARD FACT 5. 2013: Snowden leaks revealed NSA spying on Indian diplomatic missions.

Apology/Action: The US assured India of cooperation and respect for sovereignty.

HARD FACT 6: Snowden leaks revealed that U.S even secretly spied on Italy, Denmark and Sweden government officials.

Apology/Action: U.S government apologized for their illegal surveillance.

HARD FACT 7: Operation MINARET (1967-1973): The US NSA and FBI surveilled international communications, targeting anti-war and civil rights activists.

Apology/Action: The Church Committee exposed MINARET, leading to reforms.

Some of us need to snap out of putting the White world on a higher moral pedestal.

Every nation conscious of pursuing its legitimate right to secure its national interest does what it needs to do.
The difference is that when they get exposed they speak as one.

In India however... it is so tragic that this is the quality of public representatives in India - they will criticise and target their own government to brown-nose their crooked leaders.

Sagarika and Mahua have very low IQ and brains to understand the Uncle Sam's side of stories and anecdotes.

$0r0$ and anti Indian NG0s pumping money and opposition stalwarts are busy in showing gratitude to their donors.

Part inputs from the post of @RShivshankar

[drnayar]

I say we should go ahead and bump off another kalistani in Kaneda. Hey what more can they do hainji?

i like the way you think dilbuji

[vera_k]

Well, well, both Malik and Nijjar lived in British Columbia. Apparently, the local government may change hands for the first time in nearly a century!
Things may be hyper local wrt these Canadian politics. Probably same thing in the USA what with the recent Biden/Harris White House engagement with Khalistan.

British Columbia Conservatives Survive Near-Extinction

[Amber G.]

Canada’s former NSA Jody Thomas says "the initial intelligence & police probe suggested the killing of Hardeep Singh Nijjar was a retaliation for the murder of Ripudaman Singh Malik, linked to 1985 Air India Kanishka bombing".

[Amber G.]

From newspapers: India strikes back! ..HUGE embarrassment for Trudeau.

India names Canada border police official in terror case.


India alleges that Canadian official Sandeep Singh Sidhu is involved in promoting terrorist activities in Punjab & asks Justin Trudeau Govt to extradite him.!!

( "Serious allegations by India)

Meanwhile ; Ruling Liberal party MP Sean Casey calls for resignation of Canada PM Justin Trudeau
"

The message that I’ve been getting loud and clear is that it’s time for Trudeau to go. And I agree

"

[Amber G.]

^^^^ One link for the above:
India hitting back? Canada's border police officer named in terror case


India names Sandeep Singh Sidhu, an employee of a Canadian Govt Agency, for his involvement in terror activities and wants him deported from Canada.

He was involved with ISI operatives in killing of an actual Sikh Activist Balwinder Singh Sandhu who fought against Khalistani terrorists.

Times Now says the Indian official report mentions that despite his criminal past, Sandeep Singh Sidhu was recently promoted to the post of superintendent with the CBSA.

[Vayutuvan]

India alleges that Canadian official Sandeep Singh Sidhu is involved in promoting terrorist activities in Punjab & asks Justin Trudeau Govt to extradite him.!!

@Amber G. ji, could you please highlight, increase size, etc. in your posts? As it is they are hard to read with all the paranthesizing and other editing you are doing in there.

[Tanaji]

How many operating consulates does India have remaining in Canada? With 15 diplomats its hard to imagine anything beyond a single one given the security situation.

[williams]

Basically TD is trying to gain any sort of domestic momentum for his political future and Pannun gang is trying to exploit it. For GoI the real enemy is Pannun gang and TD is the pawn. However, there is also a silent hostage situation for the common Indian diaspora who has nothing to do with this issue. Now compound that with Raga gang trying to exploit the GoI predicament to take any drastic action here. GoI is walking a right rope and will strike at both these thugs at the right time. We just need to be patient. Five eye is paying lip service to TD's complaints, I don't think GoI is worried about that. For every TD's statements, only Junior IFS spokes people are responding. We need to keep it that way until we strike at strategic levels.

[S_Madhukar]

But by taking out diplomatic staff aren’t we styming efforts to reign the Kstanis? Is that a strategic withdrawal or leaving the field open?

[SSridhar]

India should ask other members of the Five Eyes what locus stande they have in the terrorists issue between India & Canada.

[sanjayc]

Western embassies are in India only to make mischief. They have five-six times more staff in India than India has in their countries. India must come down hard, impose strict reciprocity and limit the number of American, Canadian and British diplomats in India to the same levels that India has in those countries. The root cause of the problem is that there is a huge army of these Western diplomats based in Delhi, most of who are intelligence agents.

[g.sarkar]

https://www.indiatoday.in/world/canada- ... 2024-10-19
They're clearly on notice: Canada on remaining Indian diplomats
Canada's Minister of Foreign Affairs, Melanie Joly, said that the Justin Trudeau government "will not tolerate any diplomats who endanger the safety of Canadians".
Ajmal Abbas, India Today World Desk
New Delhi ,Oct 19, 2024
Canadian Foreign Minister, Melanie Joly, stated on Friday that the remaining Indian diplomats in the country are “clearly on notice”. Ottawa expelled six Indian diplomats earlier this week as bilateral relations between India and Canada hit rock bottom after Canada named Indian diplomats as "persons of interest" in the investigation into the murder of Khalistani terrorist Hardeep Singh Nijjar.
......
Gautam

[tandav]

Canada is essentially USA's cat's paw. This ruckus is definitely orchestrated by the USA. And this Canadian action supporting Khalistan should be taken in totality with the regime change in Bangladesh.

Why now is a question. Perhaps to be linked to India's ambivalence with Russia-Ukraine conflict.

[Cyrano]

Old good cop bad cop routine!

[Atmavik]

India should ask other members of the Five Eyes what locus stande they have in the terrorists issue between India & Canada.

BCCI can deal with 2 of them.

[Tanaji]

Seems to be a denial of service type attack on Indian airline carriers. About 100 bomb threats this week alone on flights. Seems to be a cheap way to tank their operations

[KL Dubey]

Western embassies are in India only to make mischief. They have five-six times more staff in India than India has in their countries. India must come down hard, impose strict reciprocity and limit the number of American, Canadian and British diplomats in India to the same levels that India has in those countries. The root cause of the problem is that there is a huge army of these Western diplomats based in Delhi, most of who are intelligence agents.

This is a misguided opinion in many ways.

In some cases - like Kanadda - it is good to impose reductions as a consequence of deep disturbances in bilateral relations.

How many more reductions will we go around doing, unless there is a clear trigger? And what happens if these countries retaliate by further reducing our (already paltry) presence ? This is no way to run foreign policy.

Diplomats will definitely further their countries' interests wherever they are posted. We should be doing the same, instead of crying over "mischief". The idea is that bad behavior should be met with consequences such as expulsion, but there is no reason to impose blanket reciprocity/become more insular.

On the other hand, Bharat should be increasing its (currently paltry) diplomatic presence in these countries. Over the last 3 decades, China has built up the largest diplomatic network, surpassing the USA in numbers. Sarkar should also be expanding its surveillance network for diplomatic personnel based in Bharat. Both China and USA have high surveillance of foreign diplomatic personnel.

The large number of USA/UK/Kanadda "staff" you are talking about are mostly consular staff, who typically do not have (or have only very limited) diplomatic immunity. Some may be doubling up as "mischief makers", but a good reason for them to be there is the huge number of Indians wanting a visa or immigration to these countries.

[Cyrano]

[KL Dubey]

Seems to be a denial of service type attack on Indian airline carriers. About 100 bomb threats this week alone on flights. Seems to be a cheap way to tank their operations

True. But I hope we will get past this in a few days. Delta Airlines (USA) received 5 bomb threats just yesterday.

[Amber G.]

^^^ Breaking... sharing
Indian high commissioner to Canada Sanjay Verma:

Some Khalistani extremists and terrorists are deep assets of CSIS (Canadian intel agency)",

No evidence presented, politically motivated",..
As far as I'm concerned, she's (Canadian Foreign Minister) talking politically. As I'm concerned, she has got nothing in her hand",..

Here is the full interview uploaded on @CTVNews Youtube channel:

[Amber G.]

Meanwhile here is leader of the Opposition in Canada AndrewScheer:

attacking PM Trudeau on the floor of the House, for his baseless allegations against India WITHOUT PROOF and damaging relations with the world’s largest democracy & rising economic power.

Link .. please do watch!

(This is from few years ago when a murderer was part of Trudeau’s delegation to India. --but Trudeau remain still shameless.. spots never change..

Jaspal Atwal was convicted of the *attempted* murder of the visiting Punjab Planning Minister, Malkiat Singh Sidhu, in 1986. Sidhu survived but was killed in a second attack in 1991 - one of some 20 election candidates executed by Khalistani gunmen..

[KL Dubey]

How many operating consulates does India have remaining in Canada? With 15 diplomats its hard to imagine anything beyond a single one given the security situation.

All three (embassy in Ottawa and consulates in Toronto and Vancouver) appear operational. Bharat recalled 6 diplomats, but there are others to replace them. Plus there are a number of consulate staff who do not have "diplomat" status but will be still working on routine operations.

[Cyrano]

It's time we get rid of this High Commissioner business and exit the common wealth charade as well

[chetak]

It's time we get rid of this High Commissioner business and exit the common wealth charade as well

yes indeed, Cyrano ji.

It's high time to decolonize completely and comprehensively

But this long overdue process will take time to complete, but start we must

[KL Dubey]

It's time we get rid of this High Commissioner business and exit the common wealth charade as well

yes indeed, Cyrano ji.

It's high time to decolonize completely and comprehensively

But this long overdue process will take time to complete, but start we must

That's for sure. Long overdue. I had a detailed post on this some time ago.

[Tanaji]

Ignorant question: how would leaving the Commonwealth help in this situation?

[KL Dubey]

Ignorant question: how would leaving the Commonwealth help in this situation?

It's not a situational thing, its a good long-term decision. It will send a clear message to UK, AU, NZ, and CN as well. The commonwealth has no purpose left. Maybe off-topic for this thread, sorry for confusing you.

[Rana]

Yes, high time we left the Commonwealth. It is a bunch of losers created solely to stroke the ego of Britshits and permanently brand us as past slaves.

[chetak]

It's a 10 page pdf document.

download and check it out



Potential Foreign Information Manipulation and Interference following PM Statement on Killing of Hardeep Singh Nijjar



https://foreigninterferencecommission.c ... 3_0001.pdf

This report by Canada's RRM, part of G7 group, that identifies and lists 20 Indian journalist and media organisations for "Foreign interference" is plain ridiculous, shows how hollow the commitment of Western countries to liberal values and free speech really is.

This attempt to intimidate media must be condemned by all those who care about media freedoms.

[Amber G.]

Timeline:
6th Oct: Canadians apply for Visa
11th: Canada PM says met PM Modi in Laos, India dismisses as not substantive meet
12th: Indian, Canadian officials meet in Singapore
-India withdraws it's envoy, 5 other diplomats from Canada
-India summons top Canadian diplomat
-India expels 6 Canadian diplomat, including top diplomat
-RCMP, PM Trudeau holds presser, RCMP says Indian diplomats collected info of Canadians, India dismisses comments

16th
-Canadian PM Trudeau at foreign interference commission; says no hard evidence when he met PM Modi at Delhi G20 summit
17th
-MEA weekly presser; India says no evidence given
20th
-Withdrawn/expelled Indian, expelled Canadian diplomats return back to resp. countries

[Amber G.]

^^^ Breaking... sharing
Indian high commissioner to Canada Sanjay Verma:

Some Khalistani extremists and terrorists are deep assets of CSIS (Canadian intel agency)",

Here is the full interview uploaded on @CTVNews Youtube channel:

This is the first time, on-record , such a comment has been made by a sitting Indian govt personnel-

He also said - calling the hypocrisy -

...G7 countries done extrajudicial murder?...but the largest democracy is committed not to do it..

The whole interview is good. Summary
-No evidence given
-No action against Khalistani extremists
-Khalistani terrorist working with Canadian Intel
-No Indian govt role in Nijjar killing
-Indian diplomats not taken info,,
- Non political bilateral relations wont be impacted due to current India Canada tensions..

[williams]

Indian high commissioner is trying to be diplomatic, but bilateral relationship is going to be affected and it already did.

[madhu]

Indian high commissioner is trying to be diplomatic, but bilateral relationship is going to be affected and it already did.

Has India commented on the purchase of battle tanks ? i think India should not buy from the country which can be manipulated by uncle tom, dick and harry ... we can go for some other country...

[chetak]

Indian high commissioner is trying to be diplomatic, but bilateral relationship is going to be affected and it already did.

williams ji,

Even if turdeau gets the sack and another PM replaces him, the damage to the bilateral relationship is too deep to be repaired easily.

It will take many years to recover (if at all) and reach some semblance of normalcy that also includes the eroded trust caused by a clown who thought that India would crumble and concede

Apart from the mine protected stryker, India was also interested in the purchase of some global series of aircraft made by

One thinks that the kanedian entitlements that spring from its unwarranted G7 and also 5 eyes memberships has gone to their collective white racist heads

India and Indians contributed far more than aus, nz, and kaneda to operations in WWI and II in terms of money, logistics that included weapons, ammo, food, pack animals, and sheer numbers of Indian soldiers who fought for these ingrates in europe, africa and the middle east, money and cost of war materiel that has not been paid back to India till date

The 5 eyes is an exclusive, segregated, and entitled club of the colonially contaminated, racially ingrained, erstwhile culturally vested slave owning WASPs, and with a such deep-seated and inbred mentality, they still look down upon countries like India even today.

[chetak]

Indian high commissioner is trying to be diplomatic, but bilateral relationship is going to be affected and it already did.

Has India commented on the purchase of battle tanks ? i think India should not buy from the country which can be manipulated by uncle tom, dick and harry ... we can go for some other country...

madhu ji,

or, we could simply make these at home.

They seem to be well within our own capabilities, but only if the slothful govt agencies and their commie labor unions are excluded from the process

[Amber G.]

Superb takedown of Trudeau by EAM Jaishankar:

Canada terms People openly threatening leaders of India, diplomats of India as Freedom of Expression But Canadian diplomats have no problem going around collecting information on our military, police, profiling people, targeting people to be stopped in Canada. They cannot play Dual Games

[Amber G.]

Khalistani terrorist group claims responsibility of CRPF school attack.

Delhi on High Alert after Blast outside CRPF School.
A multi-agency probe is underway to deduce the cause of the blast and identify the perpetrators.

A senior official cited by PTI revealed that the conspirators wanted to send a message to the authorities.

[williams]

Has India commented on the purchase of battle tanks ? i think India should not buy from the country which can be manipulated by uncle tom, dick and harry ... we can go for some other country...

madhu ji,

or, we could simply make these at home.

They seem to be well within our own capabilities, but only if the slothful govt agencies and their commie labor unions are excluded from the process

There needs to be a serious investigative and auditing instrument against the import lobby and equally there needs to be additional infusion of program management talent within the lethargic Govt run defence industries.