India - Canada - News and Discussion. (2018)

[sanjaykumar]

Unlike with Pakistani citizens who lionise terrorists, the fact is Canadians seem to detest such people. Whether it is racism or whatever.

[Vayutuvan]

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As Dinkar said" "जब नाश मनुज पर छाता है, पहले विवेक मर जाता है"

Raamdhaari Simha Dinkar always comes through.

[Manish_P]

... the fact is Canadians seem to detest such people. Whether it is racism or whatever.

A quick look at the response by the gora Canucks to the diwali post recently put up by Pierre Poilievre will be very illuminating like the diwali diyas...

[Amber G.]

Breaking news: All over US (and Indian news papers:
NYTimes: https://www.nytimes.com/2024/11/01/worl ... tanyl.html
CBS: Largest drug "super lab" in Canada's history busted with record amount of fentanyl, chemicals and guns seized

AP: Canadian Mounties bust massive drug ‘super lab’ linked to transnational organized crime

VANCOUVER, British Columbia (AP) — Canadian police dismantled what they said Thursday is the largest, most sophisticated illicit drug “super lab” in the country.

The Royal Canadian Mounted Police believe organized crime ran the operation where there was mass-production and distribution of fentanyl and methamphetamine across Canada and internationally.

Officers served search warrants last week on the drug lab in Falkland, British Columbia and associated locations in Surrey, in Metro Vancouver.

Police said they seized 54 kilograms of fentanyl, “massive” amounts of precursor chemicals, 390 kilograms of methamphetamine, and smaller amounts of cocaine, MDMA and cannabis.

They also found a total of 89 firearms, including handguns, AR-15-style rifles and submachine-guns as well as small explosive devices, ammunition, silencers, high-capacity magazines, body armor, and $500,000 Canadian (US$359,000) in cash.



Investigators said a suspect, Gaganpreet Randhawa, was arrested and is in custody facing numerous drug and firearms-related charges.

Fentanyl is a main ingredient in much of the toxic illicit drugs that have killed nearly 48,000 people across Canada between January 2016 and March 2024, according to the Canadian government.

by Taboola

Canadian authorities said that network had also has been commissioning murders across North America

[sanman]

[Yagnasri]

Let's just wait and see. I won't be surprised if they say that this network belongs to the Indian Government.

[VinodTK]

India lodges strong protest over Canada's allegations against Amit Shah

Canada had alleged that Union home minister Amit Shah was behind the “plots to target Sikh separatists on Canadian soil”.

India on Saturday said it summoned the Canadian high commission representative and lodged a strong protest over Ottawa's allegations against Union home minister Amit Shah.
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What are Canada's allegations against Amit Shah?

The United States expressed its concern over Canada's allegations against Amit Shah regarding a supposed plot to target Khalistani separatists.
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[sanjaykumar]

Jagmeet Singh needs to explain to Canadians why his community has a deep set malaise that endangers security in Canada.

But what we will get is a one minute of silence and reflection for this Gagandeep Singh Randhawa and freedom of self-expression.


Politics.

[Zynda]

I did not bother to look up the trade relations, volumes & amount between India-Canada, but it can't be that high. Per my view, Canada is a relatively light-weight country with whom we can afford to have really bad relationship. I'd say go full-on offensive mode...cancel any Air India flights (after giving some notice to Indian citizens & PIOs), issue advisories & travel warnings for Indian citizens, stop visas and tell Indian companies to brace for financial hits coming from freezing of trade. We need to send a strong message to the 5 eyes. Can't take on the US (the puppet master) and the other members have not been that aggressive...yet.

Or perhaps this is what the 5 eyes are expecting and the slow pace of reaction from India is pissing them off...India is not reacting the way they expected it. So gradually they are expanding the allegations & ramping up the pressure. Perhaps Justin feels that he is too deep in and is hard to back off without losing face (domestically primarily & internationally).

[SSridhar]

This is not ending with Amit Shah. Let’s be prepared.

[vera_k]

Unlike with Pakistani citizens who lionise terrorists, the fact is Canadians seem to detest such people. Whether it is racism or whatever.

Looking at Reddit, this is strictly for appearances and saving face for being outclassed in their country.

Canadian governments have been encouraging criminal and terrorist activity directed at India for decades. In fact Nijjar himself was wanted for a 2007 bombing, and given subsequent non-cooperation from Canada, can we be certain that the Canadian government was not involved in that attack in some way? That other Canadian Rana involved in the 2008 attacks was arrested, but note it happened in the USA. Similarly Parmar of the Kanishka bombing was arrested, but eventually set free and eventually met his end in India (no thanks to Canada!).

This type of support is having knock on effects as shown by the link posted earlier. Save the 63 year old woman, all of the Canadians in their early twenties in that arrest learnt arms smuggling and assorted criminal behavior growing up in Canada.

They could do that not because they belong to a particular community, but because that is what is seen as success in Canada overall.

[chanakyaa]

....Or perhaps this is what the 5 eyes are expecting and the slow pace of reaction from India is pissing them off...India is not reacting the way they expected it. So gradually they are expanding the allegations & ramping up the pressure. Perhaps Justin feels that he is too deep in and is hard to back off without losing face (domestically primarily & internationally).

my bet would be against drawing such general conclusions against पाँच आँखें. MAD may have successful increased untouchability, on this topic, within पाँच आँखें. Yes, uncle is continually feeding off all the allegations coming out of Kanada, but that is about it. As the global TFRs drop (especially rapidly in the developed countries), the race is ON to import as many people from countries like Bharat as possible. ANZ countries not interested in joining Kanada in pi$$ing off Bharat, at least not overtly. Canada's loss is gain of A+US+NZ with respect to importation of students looking to settle permanently, trade and shift in global trade to Asia, etc. Bilat relations could worsen before Kanada elections, but it is a good time for "spaying" to eliminate troublemakers out of Khan-adda, so turn of the heat MAD

[g.sarkar]

https://www.rediff.com/news/report/cana ... 241102.htm
Canada lists India as cyberthreat, MEA reacts strongly
Utkarsh Mishra, November 02, 2024
Amid an ongoing diplomatic row, Canada has for the first time named India in a list of cyberthreat adversaries and suggested state-sponsored actors could be spying against it, an allegation that New Delhi slammed on Saturday terming it to be 'another example' of Ottawa's strategy to 'attack India'.
India is also mentioned in the trend on 'Geopolitically inspired non-state actors are creating unpredictability' citing as example how a pro-India hacktivist group claimed to have defaced and conducted brief attack against Canadian websites after India was accused of involvement in the killing of a Canadian citizen.
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Gautam

[Amber G.]

This is not ending with Amit Shah. Let’s be prepared.

Definitely! As Dinkar said
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"जब नाश मनुज पर छाता है, पहले विवेक मर जाता है"

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Meanwhile : CANADA HAS PLACED INDIAN DIPLOMATS UNDER AUDIO AND VIDEO SURVEILLIANCE.
MEA says, India has discovered this and has lodged a formal protest with the Canadian govt about this.

[Amber G.]

India's EAM Uvach:

Some friends may also be more complicated than others... What is ‘freedom’ for one can apparently become ‘interference’

Decided to quote from the above link:

Remarks by External Affairs Minister at launch of “Friends- India's Closest Strategic Partners” book
November 02, 2024

Friends,

I appreciate the invitation to join the release of Prof. Sreeram Chaulia’s latest book "Friends – India’s Closest Strategic Partners”. So, do allow me to take the opportunity to share some views on this subject.

India is today positioning itself as a ‘Vishwa Mitra’. We seek to be friends with as many as possible. This obviously generates goodwill and positivity towards us. It is reflected in the growing contribution we make to global good. And indeed, in the closer engagement with the international community. In some ways, this is Diplomacy 1-0-1; you could say even common sense. If you look deeper, there are cultural and historical factors at work as well, including the fact that we are not a dogmatic civilization. There is a capability aspect as well, which accounts for the self-confidence with which we approach the world.

Now, because we are friendly, does this automatically mean that we have many friends? Certainly, as this book demonstrates, the metrics of evaluating relationships make a very powerful case that these have progressed very significantly for India. Yet, it is important not to over-state, not to over-simplify or not to over-assume. Life is more complicated than that. The term ‘friends’ itself has a certain quaintness, perhaps even an innocence to it. The truth is that relationships develop when interests intersect or at least converge. Undoubtedly, sentiment and values do play a part, but not when divorced from interests. This is the story of each one of the ties under examination by Professor Chaulia.

A personal association with these transformations do enable me to offer some insights. Three of them – the US, Japan and Australia – have benefited from the Quad. They are actually examples of overcoming the hesitations of history. Two – the UAE and Israel – are from a region that is being engaged comprehensively at last. And the final two – Russia and France – are actually statements of multi-polarity, ours as much as theirs. If all these ties have changed so much in the last decade, I’m sure that you would agree with me that much of the credit should go to Prime Minister Modi’s personal interest and leadership. Remember, at least three of them had not even seen high-level visit for three decades! In other cases, there were either pressures on us to limit our interaction; or in few cases longstanding ideological doubts to overcome.

Who is a friend in world affairs is not an easy question as it appears. Quite apart from convergent interests, there are instincts, trust, solidarity and respect at play. They explain a lot of the bonding that we often see on the international stage. But there are definitely some special ties for us, whose very nature merit deeper analysis. In fact, I would even say, hard questions. Let me foray in that direction.

Cultivating friendships for a large power like India is never easy. Certainly, there is the emotional factor that comes from shared experiences, most visibly with the Global South. However, smaller partners need both constant reassurance and non-reciprocal handling. We see that as well today in our ‘Neighbourhood First’ policy. Whether it is our actual capability or potential, our presence in the world order today also attracts competition. As we move towards becoming a leading power, this will only grow. Even friendships will not be without some hedging.

Relating to other major powers is also a challenge in itself. The more global they are, the broader are their range of interests and activities. Some may converge more; some less so. In fact, at times, they could even diverge. Sometimes, friends have other friends who may not necessarily be ours. They may, for example, reflect the dilemmas of the old order and the new. It is essential, therefore, that we never confuse convergence for congruence.

Friendships are also not exclusive. Particularly so, in a multi-polar world. It is only to be expected that others - even friends – will seek to maintain their options while restricting ours. You will, from time to time hear that our contemporary realism deliberately projected as inherited dogmatism. Believe me, this is really a mind game.

Some friends may also be more complicated than others. They may not always share the same culture of mutual respect or ethos of diplomatic etiquette. We have from time to time seen comments on our domestic issues, accompanied by a professed desire to have honest conversations. However, the same courtesies are rarely accorded to the other side. What is ‘freedom’ for one can apparently become ‘interference’ from the other. The fact is that sensitivities like sovereignty and territorial integrity will always be a factor in evaluating partners.

So let me, as a practitioner, conclude by highlighting what friends are. And equally, what they are not. They are about comfort and convergence, with an easy ability to work with each other. They are about mutual respect, understanding the compulsions of the other party and maximizing common ground. Friends are not always black and white; nor will friendships be linear in their development. They may have their challenges, but are no less for it. Friends, in the final analysis, are always a work in progress. So, in an imperfect, competitive and evolving global order, let us take this approximate judgement of friends and use it as a convenient yardstick for analysis. This book brings out how much progress we have made in the last decade. I am confident that its next edition would be even longer.

I thank for your attention.

[chetak]

ANI@ANI

MEA Spokesperson Randhir Jaiswal says, "Some of our Consular officials were recently informed by the Canadian Government that they have been and continue to be under audio and video surveillance.

Their communications have also been intercepted.

We have formally protested to the Canadian Government as we deem these actions to be a flagrant violation of relevant diplomatic and consular conventions.

By citing technicalities, the Canadian Government cannot justify the fact that it is indulging in harassment and intimidation.

Our diplomatic and consular personnel are already functioning in an environment of extremism and violence.

This action of the Canadian Government aggravates the situation and is incompatible with established diplomatic norms and practices."

https://www.businesstoday.in/india/stor ... 2024-11-02

[Amber G.]

Okay .. Some positivity!

Canada's PM Trudeau wears "Radhe Radhe" with glee,
Influenced by India, Modi and Diwali's festivity.
Embracing diversity with an open heart,
Canada celebrates Diwali, a brand new start.

[vera_k]

Canadian MP Chandra Arya condemns Khalistanis attack on Hindu temple in Brampton; investigation underway

[sanman]

K-Gang Attack Canadian Hindu Worshippers on Diwali

[sanman]

Pannu's group "Sikhs for Justice" puts out their propaganda -- peaceful Khalistanis were violently attacked by Hindus at Hindu Temple (aka. "officers, he kept assaulting me by hitting my boot with his face")

https://x.com/SFJ_US_Official/status/18 ... 9043720374




Justin Trudeau's response:

https://x.com/wyatt_claypool/status/1853187174054961548





Canadian Media response -- instead of covering this attack, let's instead talk about need for security around Sikh temples just in case Evil India/Hindus do similar things

[sanman]

[sanjaykumar]

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[sanjaykumar]

To demonstrate there is more sanity extant than Pannunji ‘s brand of Sikh justice. Dosanjh can actually differentiate world events from an alternate reality. I have always admired his integrity and fearlessness. Here he speaks to the intimidation of the silent majority, he of course was one of the first to be assaulted for his freedom of expression. Curious that Trudeau never commented on his freedom.

https://nationalpost.com/news/politics/ ... -extremism

[sanman]

Another Khalistani protest in front of another Hindu temple on the other side of the country (Surrey, BC)

This targeting of Hindu temples is timed to coincide with Diwali

Welcome to Diwali in Canada -- courtesy of Justin Trudeau.

[sanman]

Canada Escalates tensions with india I Hindu Temples on Target I How Will India React

[sanman]

Canadian Cops Join Khalistan Goons in Beating Up Hindus

https://x.com/BhrigBalanceGol/status/18 ... 3424711005

(Click on the above link to see the actual video of this)

[Yagnasri]

I regret to say we deserve what we are getting. In Bharat and other places, we are not politically active and united. So others will beat us up. There are more Hindus in Canada than Sikhs, and even in Sikhs, not all support this attack on Hindus, but we do not enjoy political power like Sikh terrorists or Jihadi terrorists do. Why is that? We have no political power. Period.

[sanman]

'Trudeau, sociologically and politically, is an idiot': Ujjal Dosanjh on why PM is to blame for Sikh extremism in Canada

https://nationalpost.com/news/politics/ ... -extremism

[sanman]

Pannu Is Busy Calling for Hindus to Be Prevented from Celebrating Diwali

[sanjaykumar]

In one of the videos, the policeman is asking the Hindu temple goer not to stomp on the khalistani flag, ‘you will cause trouble’.

This is the paradox that Britain and India have faced with Muslims. It looks like pandering but in fact it is done to avoid providing an excuse for escalation. It demonstrates the security services and political setup are very much attuned to the potential for violence and social disruption posed by radicalised religious minorities.

Anyhoo we will see if the khalistani policeman has civil cases for assault and battery launched. Probably not, intimidation is a lifestyle for radicalised religious minorities.

[krithivas]

Indian PM Modi reads the riot act to Justin Trudeau to uphold the "rule of law". Giving it back in his own words.

[williams]

I guess Canadian diplomatic relationship is going to be downgraded to paki type garbage and private screws need to be tightened on the trade front.

[sanman]

In one of the videos, the policeman is asking the Hindu temple goer not to stomp on the khalistani flag, ‘you will cause trouble’.

This is the paradox that Britain and India have faced with Muslims. It looks like pandering but in fact it is done to avoid providing an excuse for escalation. It demonstrates the security services and political setup are very much attuned to the potential for violence and social disruption posed by radicalised religious minorities.

Anyhoo we will see if the khalistani policeman has civil cases for assault and battery launched. Probably not, intimidation is a lifestyle for radicalised religious minorities.

But will this be the future template for what happens in Australia and UK?
Will it even be a template for US?


https://youtu.be/XEe76su3K6Y

[sanman]

[sanjaykumar]

I am confident any government attempts to cue khalistanis to India or Hindus, or to deflect their activism from Canadian and Western institutions will inevitably fail. Only dictatorships in the Arabian peninsula have been able to export terrorism. I can see Canada becoming Britain. Possibly Pakistan in due time.

[vera_k]

How Trudeau turned Canada into naya Pakistan for India

Like Pakistan became a haven for terrorists wanted by India, in the same way, anti-India elements have found a safe space in Trudeau's Canada.

At least nine Khalistani terror groups have bases in Canada and despite multiple deportation requests, Ottawa has taken no action against even those involved in heinous crimes, news agency PTI reported in September last year, quoting officials in New Delhi.

Seeing this part below, I suspect there's room to further reduce relations with Canada by cutting off immigration operations. Canada will import what criminals and terrorists it wants by issuing passports using other embassies it has relations with, but it will become a one way traffic in that case.

"Some individuals who have entered Canada illegally have been fast-tracked for citizenship. Multiple extradition requests from the Government of India in respect of terrorists and organised crime leaders living in Canada have been disregarded," India's Ministry of External Affairs (MEA) said in its statement on October 14.

[sanman]

[chetak]

[chetak]

[sanman]