India-US relations: News and Discussions IV

[vimal]

The Author Tom Nicols is still trying to peddle Dems favorite Russia hoax after all these years. All part of the gehra rajya.

Instead of disparaging everything without a closer look, perhaps start understanding what the concerns/issues are.

Gabbard: It could be a positive development but there are real questions/risks. She has a little bit of experience on security and defense matters and organizational leadership - the Democrats gave her several committee positions plus the DNC vice chair role. In the committee (homeland security, defense etc) positions she had high level access/security clearances. Her military leadership experience is not much, at Lt Col rank. Later on she was put on the QS list as a potential security risk due to her outspoken views + prior access to sensitive information. There will be uncomfortable questions from both sides of the aisle in the senate hearings. There is a chance she may be withdrawn by committee recommendation, or lose the vote in the senate.

Hedsgeth: Some similar issues here too. A very junior national guard officer (major), even lower in rank than Gabbard. No/little leadership experience. Spent most of his career as a TV host and commentator. Now seasoned jarnails in the US armed forces will have to put up with the actions and decisions of a major. This, and discontent of the MIC and associated poltoos, may create large concerns in the senate.

RFK: This is a Jekyll-and-Hyde case. On one hand he has many seemingly "good" thoughts but also does not display a basic scientific temper (the anti-vaccine BS claims, HIV denialism, etc).

Musk and Chatur: It seems Trump and his advisers have given these fellows no actual sarkari role, but sent them off to create public entertainment such as creating a website for listing all "wasteful expenditures", taking suggestions from the public, etc. They are supposedly going to "advise" the OMB on what they should do. It's quite possible that very few of their "

KL Dubey who hurt you and what’s the constant democrat propaganda peddling here? Dems have been terrible for Americans, India and world at large. Wars, inflation and layoffs has destroyed America while you keep playing the biden music. The very experienced Biden and mami led to the worst defeat in decades while their cronies went about playing war games across the world. Their latest shenanigans in BD is all too well known. Wake up and smell some chai!

[KL Dubey]

KL Dubey who hurt you and what’s the constant democrat propaganda peddling here? Dems have been terrible for Americans, India and world at large. Wars, inflation and layoffs has destroyed America while you keep playing the biden music. The very experienced Biden and mami led to the worst defeat in decades while their cronies went about playing war games across the world. Their latest shenanigans in BD is all too well known. Wake up and smell some chai!

I have no need to justify or explain myself to you or anyone else. Propaganda peddling is in your post. The same drone of "Dems terrible for Americans, wars, etc.." with no substance. That may or may not be the case - but there is no connection to what I posted.

I criticized your "junk-level" post. This is BRF, not a venue for peddling US partisan propaganda. And to provide a better discussion, I listed my opinions/summaries - as an Indian - on the merits of any candidates or government job nominees. If you can't find anything useful to say in reply, you don't have to post another junk reply.

[vera_k]

Can't use swamp creatures to drain the swamp. Explains why there's a push for recess appointments.

I think its noteworthy that except for RFK Jr, all appointments announced so far are younger than usual. Almost like passing the baton except for Trump himself.

[A Deshmukh]

RFK: This is a Jekyll-and-Hyde case. On one hand he has many seemingly "good" thoughts but also does not display a basic scientific temper (the anti-vaccine BS claims, HIV denialism, etc).

On RFKJr....When one looks at his points superficially, they look BS. he looks anti-vaccine.
once we listen to him patiently and in depth, his pov seems logical.
Currently in US:
- there are 72 vaccines mandated!! are so many required?
- there is no liability for Drug companies like for other drugs. this was removed during Reagan era.
- there is no comprehensive studies on impact of vaccines.
- there is a high % of autism. which vaccine causes this, needs to be known.

he quotes from his interactions Fauci (Fauci had sued and had to withdraw the case).
a lot of medicine system and solutions seems to be pushed by Pharma companies.
a review, is definitely required. status quo needs to be disturbed. I welcome his appointment.

US medicine carries weight all across the world. most Indian doctors blindly follow US norms without questioning. so fixing these issues are good for India also.

[bala]

One of things that requires re-examination is GMO food. This has manically destroyed millions of years of adaptation of food (and effectively QA'ed by nature) for most food grown in the USA. None of the food supply has been studied for long term effects and most of the products are huge tasteless nonsense. We have huge potatoes, tomatoes, bell peppers, wheat, rice etc which have been GMO'ed to the nth degree by companies like monsanto, etc. Just for yields and resistance to pests/insects that most food items have become plastic forms. Russia for example has completely banned GMO. Monsanto controls entire seed production, since a GMO planted seed will not yield seeds that can produce the desired results for a farmer who needs to create huge, uneaten by insects/pest produce, sellable in the market with decent returns on investment/effort. The chokehold on seeds by companies like monsanto is what the deep state/gehra rajya wants to control. The original native seed for most food items has disappeared. Only some farmers still have heirloom tomato cultivation and heirloom corn.

[Tanaji]

there is no comprehensive studies on impact of vaccines.
- there is a high % of autism. which vaccine causes this, needs to be known.

I am not sure why you make a blanket statement that there are no studies on impact of vaccines. Vaccines have been in use for a long time and even cursory search should throw up their impacts. You may not find one for Covid RNA ones though as its been too small a time…

Autism is beyond BS. Correlation is not causation and anyone quoting Andrew Wakefield is an instant fail.

[A Deshmukh]

I am not sure why you make a blanket statement that there are no studies on impact of vaccines. Vaccines have been in use for a long time and even cursory search should throw up their impacts.

Not all vaccines have been studied comprehensively.
From what I know one European research on impact of DPT (?) vaccines in Africa over 30 years
- more children who received the vaccine were protected from the said disease. this should validate the use of vaccine
- but the same children showed more mortality (and net more mortality) falling prey to other diseases than children not vaccinated.
So, the impact is not black-and-white. This needs more research and transparency.
RFKJr is trying to establish that. I would say, lets give this a chance.

Autism is beyond BS. Correlation is not causation and anyone quoting Andrew Wakefield is an instant fail.

Its your opinion. Let RFKJr bring forth the transparency, then I will form an opinion.

I would certainly not give 72 vaccines to my kids.
Unfortunately, when we have kids, we are too young to understand the ramifications and too faithful of the Drs, and Drs are too faithful of the vaccine manufacturer.
and the vaccine manufacturers are insulated from any litigation, and hence are free to push any unverified or less tested product.
A 10 year or 20 year study takes time and will prevent profits for that long. So the commercial interests push these products that are not thoroughly tested to unsuspecting parents and Drs.

Another example is Ivermectin v/s Covid vaccine.
Trump in the first term, wanted to use Ivermectin.
But Fauci and Drs did not want to. So, Ivermectin and Trump got very bad publicity on this.
There is a law in US, that says, a vaccine can be introduced in emergency basis only if there is no suitable alternate treatment.
So, all alternate treatments had to be discredited first.
Ivermectin is very cheap. No money for the Pharma giants.

Indian impact:
Kerala trusting the US "experts" did not follow the ivermectin protocol. They had tough times (per capita) controlling Covid.
UP on the other hand, followed Ivermectin protocol. And was able to control Covid (per capita) much better. All their nurses, Drs, and medical workers were on preventive Ivermectin protocol.

So, we cannot blindly trust protocols established by Pharma companies.
Good and bad need to sifted through transparent & independent research.
the nexus of Pharma companies and govt (HHS and other agencies) needs to be broken.
I would keep my mind open on all opinions on RFK and his efforts.

[Cyrano]

I have no need to justify or explain myself to you or anyone else.

Dubey ji,
Guess you understand the difference between singing in the shower and singing in a public place like a nukkad.

No one will care what you are singing or how good or besura it sounds in your shower. Or about your opinions if you spout forth in your own blog.

If you are posting here or in any public forum, then be prepared for feedback and questioning of all kinds within limits as imposed by the mods.

Quite strange that despite knowing this you are getting all prickly.

[Cyrano]

After having heard RFK on Joe Rogan at length, I found him as a fundamentally reasonable guy who has recently formed opinions on many health topics (based on what sources we don't know) in an era when info and disinfo abound. He could do good if he goes after systemic dysfunctional areas in FDA, medicine procurement, insurance, lobbies etc instead of fixating on specific bad drugs or vaccines or miracle cures.

[vimal]

KL Dubey who hurt you and what’s the constant democrat propaganda peddling here? Dems have been terrible for Americans, India and world at large. Wars, inflation and layoffs has destroyed America while you keep playing the biden music. The very experienced Biden and mami led to the worst defeat in decades while their cronies went about playing war games across the world. Their latest shenanigans in BD is all too well known. Wake up and smell some chai!

I have no need to justify or explain myself to you or anyone else. Propaganda peddling is in your post. The same drone of "Dems terrible for Americans, wars, etc.." with no substance. That may or may not be the case - but there is no connection to what I posted.

I criticized your "junk-level" post . This is BRF, not a venue for peddling US partisan propaganda. And to provide a better discussion, I listed my opinions/summaries - as an Indian - on the merits of any candidates or government job nominees. If you can't find anything useful to say in reply, you don't have to post another junk reply.

KL Dubey ji, your opinions are just that and I will rebut them as I please. Your long rejoinders to anything even a wee bit critical of Dems or Biden/Mami makes me suspicious that you are here to peddle partisan propaganda while accusing everyone else of the same. I seriously doubt that you are Indian, your long posts are so pro Dem at the cost of Indian interests that you sound more and more like Paki/CCP plant. Should you complain to a manager now Karen Dubey ?

[Mort Walker]

Should you complain to a manager now Karen Dubey ?

[bala]

^^ that is a good one Mort!

Mami has aged a lot!

[Yagnasri]

This is Bharat Rakshak. Not US Rakshak. So, as far as we are concerned, GoP admin has been better for Bharat than Dems in the recent past. I do not give a damn what these parties do for the US. Further, after DJT came into power, he tried to befriend our leadership and attempted to improve relations. Obombers, Clintons, and Bidens proved to be Bharat and the worst for Hindus.

[KL Dubey]

RFK: This is a Jekyll-and-Hyde case. On one hand he has many seemingly "good" thoughts but also does not display a basic scientific temper (the anti-vaccine BS claims, HIV denialism, etc).

On RFKJr....When one looks at his points superficially, they look BS. he looks anti-vaccine.
once we listen to him patiently and in depth, his pov seems logical.
Currently in US:
- there are 72 vaccines mandated!! are so many required?
- there is no liability for Drug companies like for other drugs. this was removed during Reagan era.
- there is no comprehensive studies on impact of vaccines.
- there is a high % of autism. which vaccine causes this, needs to be known.

he quotes from his interactions Fauci (Fauci had sued and had to withdraw the case).
a lot of medicine system and solutions seems to be pushed by Pharma companies.
a review, is definitely required. status quo needs to be disturbed. I welcome his appointment.

US medicine carries weight all across the world. most Indian doctors blindly follow US norms without questioning. so fixing these issues are good for India also.

Thanks for a content-positive post.

Yes, I do agree with some of RFK's previous thoughts. His idea on a more holistic approach for health is welcome. My concern is also that he has no expertise or understanding on how to achieve that. I hope he will have some reasonable people to advise him.

Personally, I think the NIH should be renamed the NID, since most of its institutes/centers do not address "health" but rather address "disease". These institute should focus on disease cures. The much smaller portions of NIH that actually focus on preventive approaches and broader causes of health issues could be separated and formed into another agency under DHS.

He does have an excellent point regarding the impact of the food and pharma industry on health of Americans. Ironically, the worst impacts are in Republican-leaning states which rank at the bottom on almost all health and well-being parameters. Let us see how he will try to break the food-pharma-poltoo nexus.

As for vaccine, I disagree with RFK's claims, which I have to say are total nonsense. The 72 vaccines (mostly in childhood) are critically required to build up sufficient immunity and are mandated in all 50 states of USA. There might be opportunity for updating/streamlining vaccination, but these "conversations" have been held many times and there is excellent scientific evidence to back them up. Nothing is 100% guaranteed, but I would prefer a scientific approach rather than whims and fancies of a few people without scientific background/temper.

As for HIV denialism: do you think a "conversation" is needed at this point in order to confirm that HIV infection causes AIDS ? Is it possible that a person who doesn't believe this could be a risky choice for the top health post (in any country, not only the US) ? People die of AIDS, not of HIV. So if such a person in the top job does not believe that HIV causes AIDS death, isn't there a risk of compromising HIV vaccine research and prevention efforts ? Do you think our health ministers Dr. Mandaviya and JP Nadda "blindly believed" in some US doctors about vaccination and HIV ? And is HIV research only going on in USA ? What prevents other countries from debunking these claims?

[bala]

Let us take a look at vaccines. Yes each one of them have been proven scientifically. What hasn't been proven is the combination of 72 of them taken at the same time. This is an unknown area which no pharma will touch since they are down a deep rat hole of studying thier own vaccine. None of the tests include such combinations. The end consumer is subjected to such doses.

Also so far the last known cure was polio. Only two infectious diseases have been cured - smallpox and rinderpest in ruminants. The pharma industry is mainly into managing issues not actual cure. This mRNA crap for Covid is a major bluff by pharma and they have given Nobel prize for something which has no real proof. The pharma industry is only about saving their livelihood not about any breakthrough world beating cure. The later is something they will actively kill since that would impede the former.

[vijayk]

After having heard RFK on Joe Rogan at length, I found him as a fundamentally reasonable guy who has recently formed opinions on many health topics (based on what sources we don't know) in an era when info and disinfo abound. He could do good if he goes after systemic dysfunctional areas in FDA, medicine procurement, insurance, lobbies etc instead of fixating on specific bad drugs or vaccines or miracle cures.

When was this? Recently? Can you give me a link?
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[KL Dubey]

KL Dubey ji, your opinions are just that and I will rebut them as I please.

But you didn't. You are not "rebutting" anything on substance. I made comments on various nominees based on factual information. I don't have any partisan leaning towards or against these people. So a "rebuttal" from you would include something substantive related to my post.

I didn't say anything about Dems or Reps. The fact that you think anyone providing a balanced opinion is a "Dem" or a "leftist" or some such labels, is a giveaway as to your intentions and quality. All your posts on these US-related threads are of very poor quality and contribute nothing.

That is fine by me - but you too should be fine when I characterize you as a poster of zero-value junk/tripe on this forum. I have not labeled or insulted you otherwise by any affiliation or background.

I seriously doubt that you are Indian, your long posts are so pro Dem at the cost of Indian interests that you sound more and more like Paki/CCP plant. Should you complain to a manager now Karen Dubey ?

You can doubt whatever you want, based on your mental capacity - which is clearly decreasing with onset of age/senility. Don't take it for granted especially in public forums.

I do not have to justify myself to you. That being said - I am an Indian citizen. Based on the political issues and quality of candidates where I live, I have so far supported mostly GOP candidates (specific ones, not just anyone) in several elections, and this time was no different. However, I did not support Trump in the presidential election neither in 2020 nor 2024 due to his actions in his first term. Similar to any other candidate, I may/may not support him later based on his future actions.

Clearly, such a non-partisan and sensible approach doesn't seem comprehensible to you. That is consistent with the fact that your posts still are junk, maybe a new term "vimal bullshit" (i.e. pure bullshit) may have to be coined.

[Mort Walker]

Search is your friend.



RFK Jr. isn't against vaccines, but more about the purity of vaccines being administered today.

[KL Dubey]

Also so far the last known cure was polio.

I hope (but really don't expect) that you understand the difference between a vaccine and cure.

There is no cure for polio or smallpox. Those are the kind of reasons why vaccination and immunity buildup is critical.

Or is that "just my opinion" and there should be other opinions ?

[KL Dubey]

This is Bharat Rakshak. Not US Rakshak. So, as far as we are concerned, GoP admin has been better for Bharat than Dems in the recent past. I do not give a damn what these parties do for the US. Further, after DJT came into power, he tried to befriend our leadership and attempted to improve relations. Obombers, Clintons, and Bidens proved to be Bharat and the worst for Hindus.

You can have an opinion that GOP was better "for Bharat", which can be debated. My opinion - also debatable - is that both GOP and Dem administrations have so far been about the same, partly due to the "deep state" continuing its work with only minimal influence from the president of the day.

The point of BRF is for such debates to occur in a substantive/informative way - and ideally, between Indians. Foreign posters should be welcome as long as they provide value, instead of polluting the forum with their favorite partisan droning. I don't know why the moderators don't enforce this strictly - I assume they are all Indians. Of course one cannot check the origin of the posters, but in known cases some action should be taken. Otherwise its a steady stream of Youtube videos and one-line posts. I remember there was strict action in the case of Chinese posters in the past.

I partly agree that BRF - an Indian forum - is not directly concerned with the condition of the US citizenry. However, it is not that simple. Actions/policies pursued "for benefit of Americans" can very much affect Bharat. For example, immigration, global foreign policy, energy policy, trade policy. Based on your previous posting history - which I do check to gain an overall impression of the poster - I believe you understand that.

[KL Dubey]

I have no need to justify or explain myself to you or anyone else.

Dubey ji,
Guess you understand the difference between singing in the shower and singing in a public place like a nukkad.

No one will care what you are singing or how good or besura it sounds in your shower. Or about your opinions if you spout forth in your own blog.

If you are posting here or in any public forum, then be prepared for feedback and questioning of all kinds within limits as imposed by the mods.

Quite strange that despite knowing this you are getting all prickly.

Agree with everything - except the last part. I am not getting prickly at all - like I said, I too am responding in the same vein.

I am happy to engage in mutual feedback/questioning - but I guess there isn't much of that on the forum any more.

[bala]

Also so far the last known cure was polio.

I hope (but really don't expect) that you understand the difference between a vaccine and cure.

There is no cure for polio or smallpox. Those are the kind of reasons why vaccination and immunity buildup is critical.

Or is that "just my opinion" and there should be other opinions ?

Yes I do, so read further, since you pass of opinions as fact.

Before the term "vaccination" was coined, millions died every year from infectious diseases such as smallpox, tuberculosis and yellow fever. But the birth of immunology brought with it cures for some of the world's most deadly diseases. Dr. Edward Jenner is known as the founder of immunology. He first attempted vaccination against smallpox in 1796 by taking cowpox lesions from a dairymaid's hands and inoculating an 8-year-old boy. On May 8, 1980, the World Health Assembly announced that smallpox had been eradicated across the globe.

Homeopathy is based on like for like cures.

Homeopathy is an alternative medical practice that uses diluted natural substances to treat illness. It's based on two main principles:

Like cures like: A substance that causes symptoms in a healthy person can be used to treat those symptoms in a patient.

Law of infinitesimals: The more a substance is diluted, the more potent it is.

BTW my Dad practiced Homeopathy and gave us homeopathy based medicine.

[sanman]

Sham Sharma talks about...

How Hindus Are Becoming a Crucial Force for Trump



My explanation for how the Democrat Left got onto their path of harassment towards Indian Americans, is that the Democrat Left led the backlash against the NeoCons' illegal invasion of Iraq, and as part of their backlash began empathizing more with Muslims and their viewpoints. This inevitably got hijacked by anti-Hindu elements, especially Indian Leftists, who've never met a Hindu they didn't like. The typically lethargic and complacent Hindus were the last to figure out what was going on, and thus the slowest to react to these developments. Thus these Hindu-bashers were able to steal a march on them. Now Hindus have woken up rather belatedly to find themselves bombarded with hateful attitudes, and are now scrambling to respond.

[KL Dubey]

Yes I do, so read further, since you pass of opinions as fact.

Before the term "vaccination" was coined, millions died every year from infectious diseases such as smallpox, tuberculosis and yellow fever. But the birth of immunology brought with it cures for some of the world's most deadly diseases. Dr. Edward Jenner is known as the founder of immunology. He first attempted vaccination against smallpox in 1796 by taking cowpox lesions from a dairymaid's hands and inoculating an 8-year-old boy. On May 8, 1980, the World Health Assembly announced that smallpox had been eradicated across the globe.

Homeopathy is based on like for like cures.

Homeopathy is an alternative medical practice that uses diluted natural substances to treat illness. It's based on two main principles:

Like cures like: A substance that causes symptoms in a healthy person can be used to treat those symptoms in a patient.

Law of infinitesimals: The more a substance is diluted, the more potent it is.

BTW my Dad practiced Homeopathy and gave us homeopathy based medicine.

So, basically you don't know the difference between vaccine and cure.

Smallpox was eradicated by vaccination. There is no cure.

There IS a pragmatic policy on vaccination worldwide. Diseases like smallpox - once eradicated by vaccination - do not require vaccination any longer due to the very small (though non-zero) risk of the virus appearing again. But if it ever appears again, e.g. somehow released from a stockpile or from a lab (does that ring any bells?), it will cause havoc for a while. Even people vaccinated back in the 1970s and earlier will be vulnerable since the immunity does not last forever. Obviously, reliable vaccines will be cranked out quickly since we know how to make them.

And - given the level of understanding displayed in your post - I have to emphasize that the vaccines will not "cure" people who are already infected with smallpox, but will protect others. Depending on the intensity of any outbreak, there will have to be a worldwide vaccination campaign all over again, just like covid.

Polio is on the same path of eradication through vaccination, but not quite there yet.

Given your post above, I can't even bring myself to start discussing elementary aspects of this. Besides, this is not the right thread. Good luck to you.

[bala]

So, basically you don't know the difference between vaccine and cure.

Yes, please educate the rest of us what do you mean by "cure". Tis funny you keep dragging in vaccine. We all know for virus type infection there is no remedy, but to allow your body to fight it. Effectively your body is fighting at multiple levels and a slight predominance of victory is what keeps you going as "healthy". But you don't understand such basics.

The rest of your writings amount to a hill of beans and gas. Please don't reply to any of my postings, I am tired responding to your junk logic.

[Mort Walker]

As said before RFK Jr. is not opposed to vaccines. He's talking about significantly increasing the testing standards for vaccines. These would be for existing vaccines to ensure they have less toxic materials in them. This is something which India can help the US on. Production of high quality vaccines that have good shelf life. Another thing he's talking about is removing high-fructose corn syrup in cold drinks along with removing seed oils in processed foods.

[williams]

Focusing back on India-US relations. IMHO we should not be carried away too much on who is at the helm of US admin leadership. The fact remains, both DJT or KH cannot change the course of this relation fraught with a lot of suspicion from both sides. Our side is happy when the US stays neutral when we deal with the Pakis and the Chinese. Their side is happy when we buy some military equipment. That dynamic is not going to change for a long time.

[KL Dubey]

So, basically you don't know the difference between vaccine and cure.

Yes, please educate the rest of us what do you mean by "cure". Tis funny you keep dragging in vaccine. We all know for virus type infection there is no remedy, but to allow your body to fight it. Effectively your body is fighting at multiple levels and a slight predominance of victory is what keeps you going as "healthy". But you don't understand such basics.

The rest of your writings amount to a hill of beans and gas. Please don't reply to any of my postings, I am tired responding to your junk logic.

I'll let readers come to their conclusions. I've seen enough from you on this to remind myself to be compassionate. The discussion was on "vaccine" in the first place - I didn't "drag it in" - but of course it seems you are in some kind of haze.

As for RFK: I don't think I said/meant that he is "anti-vaccine" - which is a vague term - but rather, his thoughts and assertions on vaccines are a mix of nonscientific quackery and "motherhood and apple pie" pronouncements. Yeah, nobody wants to be jabbed with "too many" vaccines, but there are good scientific reasons for the number of vaccines required in the USA, and there are certain requirements in other countries as well based on their situation. "Conversations" on these matters have been had many times with scientific studies, not just people sitting and talking about their biases/opinions. When decisions made on nonscientific basis start to impact real health of people, things will get ugly. Nobody wants that either.

[KL Dubey]

Focusing back on India-US relations. IMHO we should not be carried away too much on who is at the helm of US admin leadership. The fact remains, both DJT or KH cannot change the course of this relation fraught with a lot of suspicion from both sides. Our side is happy when the US stays neutral when we deal with the Pakis and the Chinese. Their side is happy when we buy some military equipment. That dynamic is not going to change for a long time.

So far, yes. I have been saying that for a while, but some posters vehemently disagree that one party in particular is setting the "deep state" dogs on India.

Now there is a feeling amongst both India and US commentators (including some of the above posters) that the return of Trump and his disruptive (not "business as usual") plans will change all that and evaporate the "deep state efforts to undermine India" - thus heralding a new era of India-US cooperation without the underhand operations.

I too am skeptical about such a disruptive change, but very open to entertain the possibility.

Already Trump has made it clear that any countries doing trade in non-dollar arrangements will be targeted: https://geopoliticaleconomy.com/2024/09 ... on-dollar/

Trump's agenda looks very much like a continuation of the "US dominance of the world" pursuit. I would say Bhaidanwa's agenda was more towards achieving a long-term soft-landing for the US citizenry, while globally adapting to be "one of several" in a multipolar world. Of course he would not present it that way in rallies and speeches, but that seems the reality.

The complaint by some posters all along has been that the US deep state - by its nefarious methods - ensures continued US dominance, i.e. without its "foul play" the US would not be able to stay on top globally. Now these same people are egging on Trump to destroy the deep state, which then would mean a faster end to US dominance.

But Trump says that maintaining US dominance is his key agenda. I have a hard time believing that he actually wants to introduce "fair play" for the whole world and show that the US will come out again on top "fair and square". It doesn't happen like that even in real estate deals

Based on the above, I would imagine the "deep state" to be more aligned with the Trump agenda...but he says he wants to destroy it. The question is why. I would imagine he would go for a different equation with the deep state so that both his agenda and the deep state agenda work more smoothly together when the goal is the same.

[Rana]

He is going after the partisan deep state. The non-partisan deep state will still be around to create problems as, when and where necessary.

[Mort Walker]

Trump is about trade deals & promotion of US goods. De-dollarization of energy trade is going to happen, but if India buys US goods, particularly big ticket items such commercial aircraft, defense & aerospace equipment, the India-US relationship will go smoothly. If anything, Trump may be able to break the GE-414 engine logjam with India wanting to buy even more.

As far as denigrating RFK Jr., other posters can FO. The US ranks 40th in life expectancy, but spends incredible amounts on health care with 43% of the population being obese. Whatever has been done in the past needs to be re-evaluated in earnest.

[Adrija]

Sri KLDubey @uvacha

Based on the above, I would imagine the "deep state" to be more aligned with the Trump agenda...but he says he wants to destroy it. The question is why. I would imagine he would go for a different equation with the deep state so that both his agenda and the deep state agenda work more smoothly together when the goal is the same.

Dubey ji, well articulated......... actually the Deep state which Trump refers to is the domestic woke/ libleft gang which is causing havoc, whereas what matters to India is the neocon deepstate which insists on US primacy. The two are very different, and while Trump is clearly set on dismantling the first one, he intends strengthening the second (by re-shoring, furthering the US industrial and technology might etc which he correctly sees as being hollowed away by the elite)

The irony is that India can, and is, tactically collaborating with the neocon deepstate vs China....... but longer term the America sees ANY emerging power as a threat........ while our government is managing the contradictions well at some stage we will have to start supporting China... more on that perhaps is not appropriate for a public forum...

My 2 NP and all that of course

[SSridhar]

. . but longer term the America sees ANY emerging power as a threat........ while our government is managing the contradictions well at some stage we will have to start supporting China... more on that perhaps is not appropriate for a public forum...

Very well articulated Adrija.

India will have to take on China and the US in that order. China is our immediate & clear danger, which needs to be tackled. The US will be a distant threat which will tighten the screws after we overcome China.

Both Japan & China benefitted immensely and rose almost entirely because of the US and one of them militarily attacked the US while the other is palpably moving towards a militaristic confrontation, all within ~40 years of starting the close friendship. India is not an Imperial power like both of them but nevertheless the US, driven by a fear of challenge, could behave erratically with us and make us take similar decisions in the future.

[bala]

The Deep State/Gehra Rajya is a global operation wherein the goal is to aggrandize wealth and its circulation worldwide. The means are by capturing power centers including opposition, resource centers, all illegal trade activities (drugs, sex, people, goods, etc) and wealth activities (banks, gold deposits, gems, paintings and more). They had a good run during the colonial conquest of the world and emptied out many nations' wealth into their pockets. The Deep State/Gehra Rajya wealth is never in any officially documented process, it is all hidden, so is their power wielding abilities.

For the US and India there are factions of the Deep State that are pro and con of each nation. For US-India ties, the idea is get the pro US and pro India faction to work together. All leaders of their respective nations want the pro faction not the con faction. The Deep state/Gehra Rajya will have both pro and con which gives them a security blanket in either case.

In terms of wealth and power, the Deep State/Gehra Rajya wields excessive amounts of each and can rig the system to achieve their overall goals as stated previously. Most of their wealth is not on the books and so is their power. We are dealing with a hydra headed snake, you cut one limb and another sprouts up. Their previous headquarters were in Chatham house UK and Germany (before WW-II), now they have shifted themselves into the US. Naturally, the pro US faction will be strengthened. However there is the con faction which is left aligned, woke aligned, jihad faction aligned (all are in the Dumbocrats aligned). The faction that is con Russia has strengthened due to the US, there is a pro faction for Russia whose voice is muted nowadays. India wants a pro Russia faction, con china faction, pro US faction for the time being. Dealing with this complex matrix requires 4D chess moves. India wants the pro-India faction of Deep State/Gehra Rajya to invest their Trillions (yes they can easily bring in 10s of Ts just like that) into India and make India wealthy once again. This would align with DJT, pro-US faction, pro-India faction and simultaneously be against the con factions and would shaft China too.

[Vayutuvan]

Musk and Chatur: It seems Trump...

Can someone enlighten me as to who this "Chatur" is?!!!

[bala]

^^ Chatur is Vivek Ramaswamy

[Mort Walker]

We have to wait a few months and see how this 2nd Trump administration works out with India. It may turnout as a brief respite of 4 years for India to get it's geopolitical house in order, then it's back to the deep state game by early 2029. Hopefully, MAD or Yogi will be in charge after the 2029 GE.

Right now Trump is battling his own party about cabinet selections, both Dems & RINOs (the deep state) are opposed to all picks except Rubio for SoS. Inside Maarlaago HQ, Trump political insiders are upset that Elon won't leave and is inserting himself in every political decision making including policy & cabinet selections. Elon has apparently outed the person who gave the NYT information on Trump's selection of Rubio. It appears much advice on all affairs is coming from Elon as Trump's close confidant. Vance has not been photographed with Trump of late and it appears his influence is minimal.

I'm trusting Vivek Ramaswamy less now. VR was in most Maarlaago meetings after the election. He jumped to supporting Trump right after his loss in the primaries as a path to power, now it appears, and I could be wrong, he's seen Elon's influence and jumped to his side as co-chair of DOGE.

[Vayutuvan]

^^ Chatur is Vivek Ramaswamy

I know, I know. The same people who object to "comma, la" have no problem calling others names.

[disha]

This is well articulated and brings the reality to fore. Balaji, thanks for articulating beyond the usual deep navel gazing and extreme insecurity that defines the discussions here. Particularly the so called non-partisans tie themselves into knots trying to look objective and rational while forgetting that they are looking from partisan glasses with deep zero sum game tinge.

The psuedo non-partisans are so out of touch from reality and miss the entire forests for trying to find the shrub!

For the US and India there are factions of the Deep State that are pro and con of each nation. For US-India ties, the idea is get the pro US and pro India faction to work together. All leaders of their respective nations want the pro faction not the con faction. The Deep state/Gehra Rajya will have both pro and con which gives them a security blanket in either case.

.. Naturally, the pro US faction will be strengthened. However there is the con faction which is left aligned, woke aligned, jihad faction aligned (all are in the Dumbocrats aligned). The faction that is con Russia has strengthened due to the US, there is a pro faction for Russia whose voice is muted nowadays. India wants a pro Russia faction, con china faction, pro US faction for the time being. Dealing with this complex matrix requires 4D chess moves. India wants the pro-India faction of Deep State/Gehra Rajya to invest their Trillions (yes they can easily bring in 10s of Ts just like that) into India and make India wealthy once again. This would align with DJT, pro-US faction, pro-India faction and simultaneously be against the con factions and would shaft China too.

There are factions in deep state and till 2016, certain factions owned each party. For example, the neo-con & interventionist factions owned both the democrat & republican party and then the democrats post 2016. The regressive exclusive jihadi never-woke psuedo-environment psuedo left woke-ists always owned the democrat party and post 2016 controlling them completely. This is the faction that sees India inimically. Basically the BIF faction. In some ways, the democrat party and the BIF faction has become indistinguishable. So much so that the democrat party is the BIF faction!

The Dem BIF faction for example pushed an anus to head the kangladeshi goberment. And they also support the K-stani and the terrorist plumbers inimical to India via their puppet governments in Canada and NZ.

If you are supporting the current democrat party, you are basically backing the BIF faction of the deep state. In fact you just supported WW3 with Biden's authorization of long range missile strikes on Russia from Ukraine. Maybe they must put their kids for millitary draft.

Trump Republicans (the MAGA warriors) are a loose coalition of ex-dems, ex-republicans faction for now! The neo-cons are inimical to them (neo conse: Niki Hailey/Mike Pompeo/Cheney/Pelosi/Biden/Bombmama and CommaLa). This is where the pro-US, pro-India factions align. And this faction views cheen with wariness and the war with Russia on behalf of europe a big distraction. Further they are not in tune with the ultra-left non-sense from the Euro and Canada and NZ. They are inward looking which is in alignment with the old-school conservatives (socially liberal, fiscally conservative or libertarian) within the Republic and Democrat parties.

From Indo-US perspective, with DJT there will be some friction and there will be alignments. I think there will be alignment in containing Cheen, cap-rollback-eliminate Jihadi terrorism and a departure away from Euro and away from WTO. Trade and energy will be under friction, but manageable.

This is far better than the current Jihadi BIF DS controlled Dems, whose shining example is G@r$hitty.

[disha]

... The same people who object to "comma, la" have no problem calling others names...

Comma,La/MammaLa (as she likes herself to be called/as her twitter profile indicates) in her short campaign

* Raised 1.6 Billion Dollars (Yes, that is a Billion with a
* And still in debt by $20M
* $12 Million on private jets *while* talking about global warming and climate change as existential strength
* $20 Million on celebrity endorsements (like $5M to Beyonce and $1.5 to Megan Thee Stallion and her team to do butt twerking/wiggling)
* More than half million dollars to recreate sets for talk shows and more than $2 million dollars to recreate an entirely new venue
* $9000 on premium icecream like Sweet Lucie's
* Almost $1 Million on ad-space on Las Vegas Sphere (and losing Nevada by 3% of vote margin)

And lost by a landslide

Ironically, KH never really wished the Indian-Americans a Diwali greetings properly. She just illuminated the Vice President Resident in rainbow colors and recycled a 2 year old video of Diwali celebrations. G@r$hitty did better, at least he put in a good dance show (while lecturing India on Pannun) and the state department lecturing India on Cricket and Champions tropy..

So we must understand frustration of psuedo non-partisan ir-rationalists doing name calling.