India - Canada - News and Discussion. (2018)

[vera_k]

They are catching them young. This one is pretty innocuous. There must be other programs in the schools that are causing the young ones there to turn to crime like that gang posted earlier in the thread.

[sanjaykumar]

You don’t need school programs to turn Sikhs to crime.

[sanjayc]

High school in Surrey, BC will now have poetry and art contests on 1984 Riots against Sikhs

Were any of these high schoolers even born back then?

How about an art contest on 20,000 Hindus killed by Sikh terrorists in Punjab?

[sanjaykumar]

Hindus don’t whine and bellyache.

I knew and was related to some of the people, in Canada and India, who were genocided by Sikhs.

Do Brahmins bellyache about the killing of Brahmins in Maharashtra after gandhi’s assassination?

Hindus generally, from my observation, impart values of excellence, hard work and ambition.

Britain is just so far ahead in matters of race ( I use that term advisedly) and crime, incarceration rates as well as academic achievement. But in Canada, political discourse forbids discussion of personal responsibility. One cannot obtain even data on prison population by religion.

[sanjaykumar]

^one must never forget the Sikhs killed by Sikh terrorists in Panjab.
A lot of them fought back unlike Hindus.

[Tanaji]

^one must never forget the Sikhs killed by Sikh terrorists in Panjab.
A lot of them fought back unlike Hindus.

If you speak to any Khalistani, they will deny that even a single person was killed by Khalistanis ever. With the exception of Indira Gandhi and Gen. Vaidya - they “deserved” it. When asked if Gen. Vaidya’s wife deserved it as well - the answer was she did because of the “sins of her husband and failure to speak against it”. All killings were done by Gill’s henchmen or didnt happen at all.

The mental gymnastics are exhausting and I gave up. They live in their own reality.

[sanman]

Trudeau Govt Denies Linking Modi to Nijjar Killing



They gave the leak to all major news outlets. Then the next day rejected that leak by giving a small press release which was covered only by news outlets in India. Guess who didn't see their retraction? Most of the world. Well-known disinformation trick.

[sanjaykumar]

It’s easy to judge them. But perspective is helpful.

One needs to understand the role of cognitive bias, self delusion low intelligence, poor educationand the most absurdist indoctrination.

The Chinese say the fool gets angry, the wiseman understands. Emotional reactions are self defeating.

[sanman]

[sanjaykumar]

Of course the simplest resolution of cognitive dissonance is that jatguru cannot be evil thus Hindus are evil.

[chetak]

Derek J. Grossman@DerekJGrossman

What a mess.

Canada now says there is no link between Modi and criminal activities on its soil.

[eklavya]

…. data on prison population by religion.

Please see p.91 (Figure C15) and p.93 (Table C15) of the PDF:

https://www.publicsafety.gc.ca/cnt/rsrc ... 022-en.pdf

https://www.publicsafety.gc.ca/cnt/rsrc ... ex-en.aspx

[sanjaykumar]

Good work. Thanks.

So more Jewish prisoners than Sikhs.

Ah so the ‘racist anti Sikh’ press does not show their mugshots unlike every sullen looking ‘Panjabi’ arrested.

Very strange.

[sanjaykumar]

A more tellling statistic may be the number of police responses to fights at gurdwaras on Sundays. But that will never be revealed.

So pray tell us the police calls to Sikh households for domestic violence. And further similar dispatches to Hindu households. Or Jewish or Muslim.

Along with guns drugs public disorder unauthorised car rallies, is it any wonder the state’s Hindus no longer call themselves Panjabi.

[drnayar]

Trudeau Govt Denies Linking Modi to Nijjar Killing

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They gave the leak to all major news outlets. Then the next day rejected that leak by giving a small press release which was covered only by news outlets in India. Guess who didn't see their retraction? Most of the world. Well-known disinformation trick.

trroooddooo with egg on his face ., eating his own words. Indian media can do a little information campaign starting with twitter

[sanman]

Canada's monument to victims of communism has run into controversy, because hundreds of names on this memorial are people with Nazi links

https://ottawacitizen.com/news/national ... recommends

Victims of Communism memorial faces call to remove over 330 names linked to Nazis, fascists


It's interesting to look at Canada's current govt in the context of its ties to Ukraine, whose war with Russia may have been a major aggravating factor in Indo-Canadian ties




Punjabis tout themselves as Canada's 4th-largest ethnic group, but they are actually tied for 4th place with Ukrainians in Canada.
Trudeau's key lieutenant in his govt is Chrystia Freeland, who is the granddaughter of a well-known Ukrainian nationalist and Nazi collaborator who fled to Canada following WW2:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_Chomiak

[Haresh]

^one must never forget the Sikhs killed by Sikh terrorists in Panjab.
A lot of them fought back unlike Hindus.

If you speak to any Khalistani, they will deny that even a single person was killed by Khalistanis ever. With the exception of Indira Gandhi and Gen. Vaidya - they “deserved” it. When asked if Gen. Vaidya’s wife deserved it as well - the answer was she did because of the “sins of her husband and failure to speak against it”. All killings were done by Gill’s henchmen or didnt happen at all.

The mental gymnastics are exhausting and I gave up. They live in their own reality.

That is my experience as well. They really do live in their own reality. I remember my 2 trips to Punjab in 1984 & 1985. We went by bus from Delhi to Punjab. We had an armed escort. Buses were only allowed to travel in the day time because of the massacres. There were two armed guards in the bus.
The denial is on another level. It is the same as islamist thinking. Commit absolutely gruesome, inhumane violence, gloat about it in a triumphalist manner, revel in it. And then when they realise people are horrified by it and they are giving away a little too much about themselves and their intentions, go into denial.

It is just not worth discussing anything with these sorts of people.
If you prove them wrong they will get angry and resentful.
I had a debate with one of these idiots who said that when a great Sikh Air Marshal died , he was not given a state funeral and his former colleagues boycotted his funeral. When I provided evidence in the form of photos of the funeral, it was met with silence !!!
They do not have the dignity and honour to just admit when they are wrong.

[sanman]

Nero Plays Fiddle While Rome Burns

Prince Justin Dances, While Snakes in Backyard Hiss

[sanjaykumar]

That dichotomy is itself revealing. They malign the Indian state and people yet crave their honours and accolades.

Often khalistanis will disparage Indian institutions but will proudly state that the best prime minister was Manmohan Singh.

The contradiction is significant, they may just be seeking approval and validation. As India’s economy and national power grow, this is going to be a bigger issue.


During the time of COVID a low Ah Koo female told me she would not take the Indian made vaccine. I asked her if she ate wheat from Panjab. She did not get it. I was too lazy to explain it to her.

[sanman]

Note that Canadian Hindus outnumber Canadian Jews by about 6-to-1

But Justinder Trudeau will never condemn attacks on Hindu places of worship in Canada

[Haresh]

This is actually in New Zealand, but it is sort of related to Canada and USA as well

"The government is with us," says Khalistan "referendum" organizer in New Zealand

https://youtu.be/aUvk6jhhnJQ?t=4

[drnayar]

Don't know if one should laugh or cry

@futures06

A 52 year old man ------> acting like a 14 year old girl at Taylor Swift concert in Toronto while occupying the position of ------> Prime Minister of Canada.

https://x.com/InfinitusCap/status/18603 ... finitusCap

[Kedar]

^one must never forget the Sikhs killed by Sikh terrorists in Panjab.
A lot of them fought back unlike Hindus.

If you speak to any Khalistani, they will deny that even a single person was killed by Khalistanis ever. With the exception of Indira Gandhi and Gen. Vaidya - they “deserved” it. When asked if Gen. Vaidya’s wife deserved it as well - the answer was she did because of the “sins of her husband and failure to speak against it”. All killings were done by Gill’s henchmen or didnt happen at all.

The mental gymnastics are exhausting and I gave up. They live in their own reality.

Here are a few other high-profile terrorist attacks by Khalistanis during the 1980s.

Assassination of Nirankari Chief Baba Gurbachan Singh.

Assassination of Punjab Kesari editor Lala Jagat Narain.

Assassination of DIG Atwal outside the Harmandir Sahib. He had gone there with his family to offer prayers and was in civilian clothes. This seems to have been the final straw that forced Mrs. Gandhi to do Operation Bluestar.

Ethnic cleansing of non-Sikhs by stopping buses. After dark no bus used to ply Ambala onwards. In late 1985 I was working in Barnala, Punjab and going back home to Delhi I had to make sure that my bus reached Ambala at least 30 to 60 minutes before dusk. Then I would be taking the last DTC bus to Delhi.

[sanjaykumar]

It is remarkable what Hindus went through but I don’t see them on CBC crying about ethnic cleansing.

[sanman]

Meanwhile Brampton Mayor Makes Exception to Allow Khalistani Protests Against Hindu Temples

https://x.com/officialHinduCF/status/18 ... 5372065202

[sanman]

[sanman]

Here it is -- Trump found the fault-line to exploit

Canada's separatist province of Quebec overwhelmingly exports to the US and faces acute risk from Trump's threat of tariffs

Therefore, Quebec will put strong pressure on Ottawa to meet Trump's demands - which are simply to crack down on Fentanyl and human-trafficking into the US. In this regard, both Trump and Quebec are aligned:

[SriKumar]

Kedar wrote:
Here are a few other high-profile terrorist attacks by Khalistanis
Assassination of Nirankari Chief Baba Gurbachan Singh.
Assassination of Punjab Kesari editor Lala Jagat Narain.
Assassination of DIG Atwal

; Punjab CM Beant Singh and possibly Harchand Singh Longowal too.

[sanman]

Here you go, Amber ji

The Ontario Superior court has now intervened to order police to enforce security around Lakshminarayan temple while the Indian govt holds a consular camp there



(different temple, but anyway, your point about court action is validated)

[sanman]

And here's a pro-Khalistan protest outside that Lakshminarayan temple in Scarborough



I think that Indian govt should also hold consular camps at churches or mosques too, not just Hindu temples and gurdwaras

Let's see how comfortable Khalistanis are in agitating outside those places

[VinodTK]

Clashes erupted outside a Hindu temple near Toronto. They’re the latest sign of Canada and India’s spiraling relations

CNN
Fri, November 29, 2024 at 4:00 PM EST

On a recent Sunday afternoon in the Canadian city of Brampton, just outside of Toronto, a face-off between two religious groups outside a Hindu temple erupted into violence.

Pro-Khalistan Sikhs, there to protest a visit by Indian consular officials, clashed with members of the Hindu congregation. Each side hurled flagpoles and fists at one another in an incident which triggered days of violence across Canada and led to multiple arrests.

The clashes earlier this month were the latest flashpoint in a broader dispute between Canada and India, which has simmered for decades but boiled over in the last year over the assassination of a Sikh separatist on Canadian soil.

Last year, Canadian Prime Minister Justin Trudeau said he had credible information linking the Indian government to the assassination of Hardeep Singh Nijjar, an Indian-born Canadian national and Sikh dissident who was an outspoken supporter of Khalistan, a proposed autonomous homeland for Sikhs in northern India.

Canadian authorities have repeatedly said they have shared the evidence with Indian counterparts. Indian government officials deny that Canada has provided evidence and have called the allegations absurd.

Canadian Prime Minister Justin Trudeau attends a press conference following Canada's expulsion of six Indian diplomats, in Ottawa on October 14, 2024. - Dave Chang/AFP/Getty Images
New Delhi had previously designated Nijjar as a terrorist and accused him of being behind a banned militant group that sought to “radicalize the Sikh community across the world” in support of Khalistan. The movement is banned in India and considered a national security threat.

Tensions between Ottawa and New Delhi further escalated last month when the Canadian government publicly accused Indian government agents – including Indian Prime Minister Narendra Modi’s closest aide – of plotting to kill pro-Khalistan Sikhs in Canada, which is home to one of the largest Sikh communities outside of India.

Canada expelled six Indian diplomats, including the high commissioner, after police linked the envoys to homicides, extortion and other violent acts against Sikh separatists in the country, including Nijjar. Canada’s national police force also said it had uncovered more than a dozen “credible and imminent threats to life” of members of the South Asian community, specifically from the pro-Khalistan movement.

India, in turn, expelled six Canadian diplomats.

Canada further ratcheted up tensions by outright accusing Amit Shah – India’s home affairs minister and Modi’s number two – of ordering the violent plots. Shah, an influential player in Indian domestic politics, is widely seen as Modi’s potential successor in the ruling Hindu-nationalist Bharatiya Janata Party.

The stunning and highly public allegations by Canada – which India has strongly denied calling them “absurd and baseless” – have raised concern among its “Five Eyes” intelligence-sharing allies – the United States, United Kingdom, Australia, New Zealand – who have pursued deeper ties with India in recent years, in part to counter China’s increasingly aggressive behavior in the Asia-Pacific region.

The US has also accused an Indian government official of being involved in a conspiracy to kill a Sikh activist and American citizen in New York City. The Indian government similarly denied any involvement in the alleged plot, however New Delhi’s response in setting up a high-level committee to investigate the American accusations contrasts with its vocal condemnation of Canada’s accusations.

Demonstrators rally outside the Consulate General of India in Toronto, Canada following the murder of Sikh separatist Hardeep Singh Nijjar, on September 25, 2023. - Cole Burston/AFP/Getty Images
While the existence of pro-Khalistan factions in Canada has long bothered India and acted as a wedge between the two countries, experts say tensions have sharply escalated under Modi and Trudeau, with little prospect for resolution.

“It was really like a festering sore for quite some time,” said Michael Kugelman, director of the South Asia Institute at the Wilson Center in Washington, DC, who said the disagreement over Khalistan “has really torpedoed the relationship.”

The Khalistan disconnect

At the heart of the current conflict between India and Canada is the disconnect in how each side views the Khalistan movement, says Kugelman.

The Khalistan movement grew in the 1980s and 1990s when the Indian government violently cracked down on Sikhs, following the assassination of former Indian Prime Minister Indira Gandhi by two of her Sikh security guards in 1984.

Thousands of Sikhs moved abroad to places like Australia, the UK, the US, and Canada. While the Khalistani ideology lost resonance in India, it remained more alive in the diaspora.

India has long accused Canada of harboring Sikh extremists, allowing more hardline elements of the Khalistan movement to thrive – a premise Canada rejects, said Stephanie Carvin, a former Canadian intelligence analyst and associate professor of international affairs at Ottawa’s Carleton University.

Violence related to Sikh extremism in Canada goes back decades with the 1985 bombing of Air India Flight 182, the worst terror attack in Canada’s history, a tragedy that continues to strain relations between the two countries.

Canada-based Sikh extremists planted a bomb on a Mumbai-bound passenger flight from Montreal, killing all 329 people on board, in what was widely seen as revenge against the Indian government. The only person who was convicted in the bombing was released in 2017 by Canadian courts after serving two decades in jail.

Members of the Hindu Sikh Global Forum protest the clashes between Hindu and Sikh communities in Canada in New Delhi, India, on November 9, 2024. - Sanchit Khanna/Hindustan Times/Getty Images
For years, India has accused Canada of failing to prevent the attack after it warned the Canadian government of the possibility of a bombing. A Canadian inquiry two decades later found the attack was due to a “cascading series of errors” by the government, police and intelligence services.

While most of the victims were Canadians, the tragedy was viewed by many in Canada as “something foreign,” Carvin said, which some observers allege influenced the government’s response.

Aside from a small minority of violent Sikh separatists, Canada does not see the Khalistan movement as the threat India does, according to Carvin.

Canada has said Sikhs have a right to peaceful protest and Trudeau has largely avoided categorical condemnation of Sikh separatism. However, the Canadian prime minister recently acknowledged that Khalistan separatists “do not represent the Sikh community” in Canada.

“India and Canada have typically taken a very different view as to what constitutes permissible activity, because it doesn’t break Canadian law to advocate for a Sikh separatist state in Canada,” Carvin said.

But the Sikh insurgency of the 1980s and its campaign of violence remains very strong in the memory of the New Delhi political elite, said Harsh Pant, foreign policy head at the New Delhi-based Observer Research Foundation think tank.

A downward spiral of relations

While the Khalistan issue has persisted for decades, relations between Canada and India have plummeted under Modi and Trudeau.

When Trudeau visited India in 2018 for his first official visit, his calendar, which was light on diplomatic meetings, was seen by many as a “snub” from New Delhi. Local media in both India and Canada linked Trudeau’s reception – or lack thereof – to the issue of Sikh separatists.

India's Prime Minister Narendra Modi (L) walks alongside Home Affairs Minister Amit Shah outside a polling station during India's general election, in Ahmedabad, India, on May 7, 2024. - Adnan Abidi/Reuters
A year earlier, the Canadian leader was seen at a Sikh event in Toronto where separatist flags and posters depicting an extremist Sikh leader killed in a 1984 Indian Army operation were displayed.

Trudeau’s visit to India further roiled tensions after it became known Canada had invited a former member of a Sikh extremist organization, a man convicted of attempted murder, to attend an official dinner with the prime minister while in New Delhi. That invitation was swiftly rescinded, according to CNN affiliate CBC News.

In October, Trudeau told reporters that India made a “fundamental error” by “supporting criminal activity against Canadians on Canadian soil.”

“Here is a case of the top official in Canada very publicly leveling one of the most serious allegations one could make against India, one that relates to an issue that is extremely sensitive for New Delhi,” Kugelman, of the South Asia Institute, said. “It really reinforced this anger in New Delhi that Canada simply doesn’t care about these concerns, and it’s willing to embarrass India.”

Carvin, the former Canadian intelligence analyst, said she believes Canada was pushed into a corner.

“It seems pretty clear that the Indian government is not willing to meet with its Canadian counterparts in the same way that they’re willing to meet with (the US),” she said.

Earlier this month the two leaders had what looked like an amicable exchange as they posed for a group photo at the recent G20 summit in Rio de Janeiro, Brazil, alongside US President Joe Biden. Photos showed Biden with his arm around Modi, as the three world leaders shared a laugh.

Canada's Prime Minister Justin Trudeau, from left, US President Joe Biden and India's Prime Minister Narendra Modi gather for the G20 Summit world leaders' group photo, in Rio de Janeiro, Brazil on November 19, 2024. - Eraldo Peres/AP
Growing mistrust

Canadian leaders were quick to denounce the recent violence in Brampton and crack down on those involved in the clashes. At least five people have been arrested, and a local police officer was suspended after he was caught on camera participating in the protest while off duty, according to CBC. Brampton’s city council passed a bylaw prohibiting protests around religious places.

Modi also spoke out on the violence, calling it a “deliberate attack on a Hindu temple in Canada,” slamming the protesters for “cowardly attempts to intimidate our diplomats.”

“Such acts of violence will never weaken India’s resolve,” Modi wrote on X. “We expect the Canadian government to ensure justice and uphold the rule of law.”

That Modi, who up until now has largely avoided weighing in on the diplomatic spat, issued comments on the tussle shows just how fraught relations have gotten, analysts say.

Implicating Shah in the Nijjar killing on Canadian soil was an “incredibly serious provocation” from Ottawa, Kugelman said.

“At this point, the risk is that it could really hijack the relationship, to the point that the areas of cooperation that continue to play out, such as trade, could become casualties,” Kugelman said.

Pant, of the Observer Research Foundation, said he does not believe the relationship is salvageable under current leadership, with so much ill will between Modi and Trudeau. Canada’s next federal election is set to take place before next October.

“The level of mistrust between India and the Trudeau administration has been building up and growing,” Pant said, adding that he doesn’t think there is “space to diplomatically resolve it.”

[sanman]

Trump puts Trudeau in his place

[sanman]

Trump trolling Trudeau on Twitter/X

[sanman]

As Canada's version of Kamala Harris, Foreign Minister Melanie Jolie is being touted as Trudeau's possible replacement for leader of the country.

Meanwhile, "Tapped by Trudeau" is trending on Twitter/X

https://x.com/yabadabadio/status/1864364172454318339

[Yagnasri]

So people are thinking Tudu is crap and going to replace him with the lady selected by him? Does this make any sense?

[sanman]

So people are thinking Tudu is crap and going to replace him with the lady selected by him? Does this make any sense?

It makes about as much sense as replacing Biden with Kamala -- but we can see that greed & desperation can prevail over sense

Melanie Jolie is being compared to Kamala because she's as empty-headed and as inexperienced as Kamala.

It's the same borrowed playbook. They think she can get them more of the female vote share.

What other schemes will they borrow from south of the border, to imitate?

American Lefties were shrieking that Trump was Hitler, or Putin's stooge, etc. It will be harder for Canadian lefties to make similar claims about opposition Conservative Party leader Pierre Poilievre.

But rest assured that Canadian Lefties are very monkey-see-monkey-do. They'll be sure to imitate whatever tactics they've seen American Lefties try.
Because shallow people don't really have original thoughts.

[sanman]

Jagmeet now faces his moment of truth.

He and his party have been loyally supporting Trudeau's ruling party govt from the outside, keeping Trudeau's govt in power even by supporting it during non-confidence votes.
Jagmeet will qualify for pension by February 2025, if he can keep his seat until then - so naturally he's not anxious to trigger a fall of the govt and thus face fresh elections.
But Trudeau has now cracked down on various public sector labour unions who are on strike for better wages, using his powers to force them to go back to work.
But Jagmeet has been on record in the past, vowing to support the labour unions against any govt coercion.
So now the Conservative Party has triggered a non-confidence vote on this labour union issue, to see if Jagmeet will live up to his word.

[Yagnasri]

From what I have seen worldwide, lefty scum follows US leftist's ideas. Same woke ideas. Same Democracy under threat ideas.

[sanman]

An old Canadian TV program from 1983:

[Amber G.]

Chandra Arya - Member of Parliament of Canada

Today, the Member of Parliament from Surrey-Newton attempted to have the Parliament declare the 1984 riots in India against Sikhs as a genocide.

He sought unanimous consent from all Members in the House of Commons to pass his motion.

I was the only Member present in the House to say NO, and my single objection was enough to prevent this motion from being approved.

Immediately after this, I was threatened inside the parliament building for standing up and saying no.

There have been several attempts, both within the parliament and outside, to stop me from freely and publicly voicing the concerns of Hindu-Canadians.

While I am proud in having stopped this divisive agenda from succeeding today, we cannot afford to be complacent.

Next time, we may not be as fortunate.

The politically powerful Khalistani lobby will undoubtedly try again to push for Parliament to label the 1984 riots as genocide.

There is no guarantee I will be in the House to block it the next time any other Member, from any political party, attempts to bring this motion forward.

I urge all Hindu-Canadians to act now.

Reach out to your local Members of Parliament and secure their commitment to oppose this motion whenever it arises.

The 1984 anti-Sikh riots in India, which followed the assassination of Prime Minister Indira Gandhi by her Sikh bodyguards, were undeniably barbaric.

Thousands of innocent Sikhs lost their lives in those horrific events, and we all condemn this brutality without reservation.

However, labeling these tragic and dreadful riots as a genocide is misleading and unjustified.

Such an assertion fuels the agenda of anti-Hindu forces and risks driving a wedge between the Hindu and Sikh communities in Canada.

We must not let these divisive elements succeed in their efforts to destabilize harmony.

The only way to prevent Canada’s Parliament from declaring the 1984 riots as genocide is by ensuring that every MP—or at least a significant number of MPs—stand up and say NO when unanimous consent is sought.

Once again, I call upon Hindu-Canadians to reach out to your MPs and firmly request their opposition to this Khalistani-driven narrative.

Let us stand united against this anti-Hindu agenda and safeguard our communities.