Indian Navy News & Discussion - 12 April 2021

[Manish_P]

Read an article on IDRW that IN exploring requirement of a number of unmanned mini-subs (large USV) for patrol, recce and possibly anti-ship warfare.

If true then God speed. Will be very useful to keep the Chinese off-balance near the malacca choke points.

With IN good chance of actually happening, if the proposal gets approved and the budget gets allocated.

[chetak]

Navy to commission stealth frigate INS Tushil in Russia on December 9
https://www.indiatoday.in/india/story/n ... 2024-12-07

Part of upgraded Krivak III class frigates, first of two under 2016 deal. Built at Yantar Shipyard, reached over 30 knots in trials. Enhances Navy's capabilities, strengthens India-Russia ties. The Indian Navy will induct its latest multi-role stealth guided missile frigate, INS Tushil, during a commissioning ceremony in Russia's Kaliningrad on Monday, December 9. The event will be attended by Defence Minister Rajnath Singh, along with senior Indian and Russian government and defence officials. INS Tushil is part of the upgraded Krivak III class of Project 1135.6 frigates.

It is the seventh ship in this series and the first of two additional frigates being built under a 2016 agreement between India and Russia. The ship was constructed at the Yantar Shipyard in Kaliningrad and has undergone various trials, including Factory Sea Trials, State Committee Trials, and Delivery Acceptance Trials. The ship reached a top speed of over 30 knots during these tests. The frigate features a length of 125 metres and a displacement of 3,900 tonnes. It incorporates both Indian and Russian technologies, with Indian components accounting for 26 percent of its construction.

[SNaik]

F70 Tushil. Wonder what pennants the other three will get.

India Commissions 7th Project 11356 frigate – INS Tushil
https://www.navalnews.com/naval-news/20 ... ns-tushil/
09 Dec 2024

[Manish_P]

Sad news.

Indian navy vessel undergoing some engine trials loses control due to engine malfunction end collides with tourist ferry.

The ferry boat has capsized. 10+ civilian fatalities.

Mumbai harbour

[Rakesh]

It was an Indian Navy speedboat apparently. Sad.

https://x.com/drmmeena83/status/1869399096186016241 ---> Indian Navy craft lost control and collided with passenger ferry Neel Kamal near Karanja, Mumbai.

* 99 rescued
* 13 fatalities, including 1 Navy personnel
* Rescue ops: 4 Navy helicopters, 11 naval craft, Coast Guard & Marine Police on-site

[chetak]

Sad news.

Indian navy vessel undergoing some engine trials loses control due to engine malfunction end collides with tourist ferry.

The ferry boat has capsized. 10+ civilian fatalities.

Mumbai harbour

Manish ji,

Here is the video of the unfortunate accident

WATCH VIDEO

[Manish_P]

...
Here is the video of the unfortunate accident
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I was at work barely a few kms from this incident. I heard a ferry had an accident and one person had drowned but didn't know the details till later.



From the video it doesn't look like engine issue...

The tourist ferries are mostly decades old rickety wooden ones from my childhood. It's not surprising it capsized due to the collision.

[ritesh]

Sad news.

Indian navy vessel undergoing some engine trials loses control due to engine malfunction end collides with tourist ferry.

The ferry boat has capsized. 10+ civilian fatalities.

Mumbai harbour

Manish ji,

Here is the video of the unfortunate accident

WATCH VIDEO

Horrible accident. Om Shanti to departed souls.

[BhairavP]

What on Earth is the Navy doing, with such manoeuvres in crowded waters? Mumbai harbour is packed at all times, boats to Alibag, JNPT, Elephanta et.al. The least they could do was shut civilian traffic off in such an area!

[SNaik]

Any damage to the RIB craft?
The final maneuvers do not suggest any mechanical malfunctions, rather gross miscalculation by helmsman.

[chetak]

What on Earth is the Navy doing, with such manoeuvres in crowded waters? Mumbai harbour is packed at all times, boats to Alibag, JNPT, Elephanta et.al. The least they could do was shut civilian traffic off in such an area!

BhairavP ji,

They seem to have developed the fine art of continually remaining in the headlines for the wrong reasons.

The other great proponent of such an esoteric art is the paki army.

[ritesh]

+100
Ships getting destroyed in harbour, submarine on fire in dry socks, now this type of incident, something seems rotten to core. The whole attitude towards safety needs to be thoroughly relooked by IN.

[Rakesh]

Any damage to the RIB craft?
The final maneuvers do not suggest any mechanical malfunctions, rather gross miscalculation by helmsman.

https://x.com/KSingh_1469/status/1869507606626337077 ---> Heads *should* roll but this will be covered up. Professionals want all the accolades and privileges that go with their titles but none of the scrutiny/accountability? There would be criminal charges for this level of disregard of human life in any civilised nation.

https://x.com/KSingh_1469/status/1869424703104065987 ---> So this is an @indiannavy RHIB doing an ‘engine run’ (definitely not a joy ride) in the middle of a flotilla of civilian crafts all whilst the military (naval) crew have 0 PPE/floatation equipment on. Peak professionalism.

[Rakesh]

Navy To Build State-Of-The-Art Combat Training Centre in Karwar
https://www.news18.com/india/navy-to-bu ... 55158.html
14 Dec 2024

[Rakesh]

https://x.com/AdithyaKM_/status/1867968070792454651 ---> INS Mysore at Jakarta, Indonesia. Great view of the inclined quad BrahMos launcher installed in the recent mid life update.

[Rakesh]

https://x.com/AdithyaKM_/status/1867968070792454651 ---> INS Mysore at Jakarta, Indonesia. Great view of the inclined quad BrahMos launcher installed in the recent mid life update.

https://x.com/Dinesh_0724/status/1868132689175314629 --> Kill Mark

[Rakesh]

F70 Tushil. Wonder what pennants the other three will get.

India Commissions 7th Project 11356 frigate – INS Tushil
https://www.navalnews.com/naval-news/20 ... ns-tushil/
09 Dec 2024

VIDEO: https://x.com/indiannavy/status/1869724723866644529 ---> INS Tushil set sail for India from Kaliningrad on 17 Dec 2024. The ship was recently commissioned on 09 Dec 24 in #Russia in the presence of Hon’ble Raksha Mantri. The multi-role stealth guided missile frigate is a potent addition to the Indian Navy's arsenal. The ship's passage to India will also be her maiden operational deployment. She will carry out joint patrolling and maritime exercises with navies of friendly countries en-route including at piracy hot spot areas in the region.

[Rakesh]

After the Brahmaputra incident in July 2024, the Navy Chief said this....

https://x.com/alpha_defense/status/1815779383891931624 ---> The Chief has given strict instruction to the naval officials to deal with the national assets with great care and asked the officials to fix accountability.

Obviously that advice was not heeded. So we are back at square one. Negligence of the highest order. Will now hold a "safety agenda" meeting at the next commanders conference. Drink chai, eat biscoot, make announcement. All Izz Well.

After a spate of accidents, Admiral Devendra Kumar Joshi resigned. Will that happen here?

https://x.com/ShivamVahia/status/1869997965583994977 ---> Oh yes, the "overloaded" ferry is at fault. Not the Indian Navy. After all, Jai Jawan Jai Kisan. Or should I say Long Live Incompetency? And what's not overloaded in India?! Poora country overloaded hai with people.

[sohamn]

This was a wrong maneuver from the Navy boat pilot. They changed the direction at the last moment which led to the crash. I think the crew was not experienced in the boat and they were not following protocol. Sab chalta hai attitude.

[Hriday]

Sorry if it is already posted.
https://x.com/Ray70409890/status/187036 ... 8_XFQ&s=19

Observe 2 mins of silence for the C-802 , CM-302 SSM/ AShM complement of PN Babur , Tughril class FFG.

76/62 mm SR with Strales and programmable guided Dart can shoot these down with ease(assuming no other sam sys are present).
Dart also takes care of the swarm uav prob.

https://www.navalnews.com/naval-news/20 ... dian-navy/

The Indian Ministry of Defence has signed a contract with BHEL, on 28th November, 2023, for procurement of 16 Upgraded Super Rapid naval gun systems.

In the above link, a model of the system with an integrated radar antenna placed near the gun is provided.

See below the website dated 18 April 2014, by the company about their gun.
https://www.leonardo.com/en/press-relea ... ammunition

The firing trials were conducted with quick bursts of fire against fast, manoeuvring and non-manoeuvring, radio controlled targets at low and very low altitude and at a range of more than 5000 metres.

The Strales 76mm system with DART guided ammunition is the only weapon system in the world which can ensure high level performance (at a lower cost than dedicated anti-missile systems) in the engagement of manouevring supersonic missiles with high lateral g force.

The DART projectiles are guided by a radio beam that follows the target by means of homing system. The projectile is fitted with a proximity fuze, but there were many hits during the firing trials.

So it can possibly take on Brahmos class weapons also, provided there is an early detection. Not following naval news for long time, but with a quick search I think most of Indian Navy ships use AK -630 system with unguided projectiles.

[JTull]

To track and then engage a maneuvering and sea-skimming Brahmos class weapon in last 13 seconds (5000mtrs) of its flight is highly unlikely.

[Hriday]

https://x.com/Ray70409890/status/187035 ... GIXng&s=19

All of us overlooked this important detail yesterday.

P17A Nilgiri is the first class in IN to have the 76/62 mm Strales gun with Dart ammunition.

The Press release explicitly states 76 mm upgraded gun. And the turret profile matches with Strales mounts in Euro navies.

In the above tweet, PIB screenshot says "76 mm Upgraded Gun". The radar is invisible and housed in the front right side of the gun, which looks different from the left. See the photo in the above Twitter link.

[Tanaji]

An Indian Navy speed boat rammed a passenger ferry causing it to sink near Mumbai yesterday. The ferry was carrying passengers to Elephanta caves. As is the norm, it was overloaded and had inadequate life jackets.

The navy speedboat was apparently testing an engine and had its rudder and engine stuck at wide open causing it to ram the ferry. 2 Navy personnel dead as well.

Apparently the ferry was in the designated sea lanes. Why were they testing the engine in a ferry sea lane I wonder..

[prashantsharma]

In the widely circulated video which is about a minute long, the speedboat makes two left and two right turns. So clearly, there is nothing wrong with its steering.
I also wonder why the navy would, in its first press release, go so far as to state what it believed to be the cause of the accident ie “engine malfunction”, before an inquiry has even begun.

[Rakesh]

https://x.com/realkaypius/status/1870660051733737864 ---> Our reactionary approach to safety doing its customary band-aid service in the aftermath of a totally avoidable, unnecessary accident. Also questionable how the navy blamed it on engine malfunction even before bodies were picked up from water.

[SRajesh]

Rakesh
Any tidbits on the supposedly joint venture of Kirloskar to build Marine engines for Next Generation Corvette??
Will they use the same for next Gen Frigates and for the IEP as well??

[Rakesh]

Rakesh
Any tidbits on the supposedly joint venture of Kirloskar to build Marine engines for Next Generation Corvette??
Will they use the same for next Gen Frigates and for the IEP as well??

I really do not know Saar. The last I heard is that they are coming in for the Project 18 NGD (Next Gen Destroyer).

Will have to wait for more info to come out in the future.

[uddu]

First Glimpse of Nilgiri in its complete form
https://x.com/IndiannavyMedia/status/18 ... 1206859877
Mark the date 15 January as reincarnated Nilgiri, a masterpiece of innovation and self-reliance, is ready to inspire next generation of naval excellence.

[fanne]

Why did sixth scorpene class sub take so much long? Because we put many indigenous or new tech in it and all that took time to validate?

[uddu]

https://pib.gov.in/PressReleaseIframePa ... ID=2088874
Ministry of Defence has signed two contracts, worth approx. Rs 2,867 crore, for the construction of Air Independent Propulsion (AIP) Plug for DRDO-AIP system & its integration onboard Indian Submarines, and the integration of Electronic Heavy Weight Torpedo (EHWT) onboard the Kalvari-Class submarines. Both the contracts were signed in the presence of Defence Secretary Shri Rajesh Kumar Singh in New Delhi on December 30, 2024.

[uddu]

SURAT - Ready to Roar

Surat - Forged in Power, Driven by Excellence!

Nilgiri - Invisible Strength, Unconquerable Courage

Vaghsheer - Dive into the future of naval supremacy

INS Vaghsheer History

INSVTarini - Crossing the International Date Line

[Aditya_V]

https://pib.gov.in/PressReleaseIframePa ... ID=2088874
Ministry of Defence has signed two contracts, worth approx. Rs 2,867 crore, for the construction of Air Independent Propulsion (AIP) Plug for DRDO-AIP system & its integration onboard Indian Submarines, and the integration of Electronic Heavy Weight Torpedo (EHWT) onboard the Kalvari-Class submarines. Both the contracts were signed in the presence of Defence Secretary Shri Rajesh Kumar Singh in New Delhi on December 30, 2024.

This is amazing what does it mean- there is a Varunastra variant going in to the Kalvari class subs during refit for AIP?

From the link

he contract for construction of AIP Plug and its integration was inked with Mazagon Dock Shipbuilders Limited, Mumbai worth around Rs 1,990 crore, while the contract for integration of EHWT, being developed by DRDO, was signed with Naval Group, France at an approx. cost of Rs 877 crore.

Looks DRDO AIP is ready and Varunastra variant is going on Kalvari- Magambo kush huwa

[uddu]

That's what it means. Some are calling it Takshak Torpedo. Technology is derived from Varunastra and is shorter in length and made for Submarines. Got range surpassing Varunastra.
https://idrw.org/bdl-and-drdo-forge-ahe ... velopment/
One more interesting news from it is "DRDO-AIP system & its integration onboard Indian Submarines"
This could mean many more submarine classes than the Kalvari will have DRDO AIP. Could be for Kilo class or much modern yet to be made/inducted Scorpene and other variants.

[Aditya_V]

This is very good news indeed, fact contracts for integration are signed means they are ready

[Rakesh]

Indian Navy Inducts New Destroyer, Frigate and Submarine
https://www.navalnews.com/naval-news/20 ... submarine/
15 Jan 2025

[drnayar]

Indian Navy Inducts New Destroyer, Frigate and Submarine
https://www.navalnews.com/naval-news/20 ... submarine/
15 Jan 2025

With all four P-15B destroyers now inducted, India currently does not have any destroyers under construction. A class of Next Generation Destroyers (NGD), also referred as Project 18, is known to be under planning and is expected to begin implementation within a few years.

[drnayar]

Indian Navy Inducts New Destroyer, Frigate and Submarine
https://www.navalnews.com/naval-news/20 ... submarine/
15 Jan 2025

anyone know the lead times of their build ? Was the induction delayed to get all together ?

[uddu]

Taragiri almost complete.

Moderator Note: Already posted here ----> viewtopic.php?p=2637545#p2637545

[Rakesh]

INS Surat, Nilgiri, and Vagsheer: Triumphs & Trials of Indian-Built War Vessels
https://www.thequint.com/opinion/indian ... ed-signals
17 Jan 2025

Simultaneous commissioning of vessels built by a single yard is a matter of timing – and not a measure of yard efficiency.

[uddu]

Mahendragiri and Vindhyagiri will have their construction time reduced to 5 yrs. This used to be 8 to 7 years. The problem is that there are no follow on orders or continuation to reach shorter build time.