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An advanced light helicopter of the Indian Air Force (IAF), deployed for flood relief operation in Bihar’s Sitamarhi district, made an emergency landing in a waterlogged area after developing a major technical snag at Nayagaon village under Aurai block in Muzaffarpur district on Wednesday
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according to an eyewitness, the chopper’s glass panes were cracked, and the blades and other parts were damaged, making it very evident that the pilot had no other option but to land the “wobbling aircraft” at the nearest point, even in water.
“There were four people, including the pilot and co-pilot, in the chopper. All are safe, though one of the blades of the chopper had been damaged,” eyewitnesses said.
The locals rushed boats to the site and rescued the personnel before loading the relief material from the chopper.
Did the eye-witnesses mention the panes and blades being damaged before the crash landing ?? Looks like DDM
In any case, good to hear no loss of life among the personnel and the civilians. Also great job by the pilot landing in an area to minimise risk. Points again to the sturdiness of the ALH that it seems to be recoverable.
VIDEO:https://x.com/livefist/status/1841419020274217392 ---> An Indian Air Force HAL Dhruv helicopter had to force land in water in Bihar’s Muzaffarpur during flood relief duties. All crew safe. Images from the site.
Re looking at the video the damage to the rotors is prominently visible. Could be catastrophic failure in the rotor assembly with one or more of the rotor blades hitting the canopy glass.
It would explain the eye witness account of wobbling before the crash.
NEW DELHI: The Indian Air Force has imposed flying restrictions on its Dhruv advanced light helicopter (ALH) fleet after a helicopter deployed for flood relief in Bihar had to carry out a precautionary landing in water on October 2 following a technical failure, officials aware of the matter said on Friday.
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VIDEO:https://x.com/livefist/status/1841419020274217392 ---> An Indian Air Force HAL Dhruv helicopter had to force land in water in Bihar’s Muzaffarpur during flood relief duties. All crew safe. Images from the site.
VIDEO:https://x.com/ANI/status/1841426399200149636 ---> An Advanced Light Helicopter of the Indian Air Force made a precautionary landing in inundated area during flood relief operations in Muzaffarpur in the Sitamarhi sector of Bihar. According to IAF, the chopper had three personnel onboard including two pilots who are safe. More details are awaited.
Rakesh wrote: ↑02 Oct 2024 18:52VIDEO:https://x.com/livefist/status/1841419020274217392 ---> An Indian Air Force HAL Dhruv helicopter had to force land in water in Bihar’s Muzaffarpur during flood relief duties. All crew safe. Images from the site.
IAF's MiG-29 fighter jet crashes near Agra, pilot ejects safely
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An Indian Air Force plane crashed near Agra on Monday, according to the defence officials as reported by ANI. The pilot ejected safely. A court inquiry has been ordered into the incident.
The MiG-29 fighter jet had taken off from Adampur in Punjab and was en route to Agra for an exercise when the incident occurred
fanne wrote: ↑04 Nov 2024 23:39
Video shows mig 29 went into spin stall. Wonder what can induce it. Since it is not fly by wire (or is it), a maneuver gone wrong?
In our country, Military Aviation buffs like us have to just wonder and guess what went wrong...while in the US they even have access to the crash findings of a frigging stealth fighter!!
Here everything is 'secret' until a serving personnel goes and discloses the secrets to a guy posing as a girl online... thus sharing the secret even without getting laid!
fanne wrote: ↑04 Nov 2024 23:39
Video shows mig 29 went into spin stall. Wonder what can induce it. Since it is not fly by wire (or is it), a maneuver gone wrong?
As with the pilot in the earlier crash, this pilot still managed to steer it a bit before total loss of control.. speaks volumes of the training and total dedication to not cause loss of life on the ground.
fanne wrote: ↑04 Nov 2024 23:39
Video shows mig 29 went into spin stall. Wonder what can induce it. Since it is not fly by wire (or is it), a maneuver gone wrong?
As with the earlier crash this pilot also managed to steer the craft a bit before total loss of control.
Speaks volumes of the training and the absolute dedication of the IAF pilots not to put civilians on the ground in danger.
fanne wrote: ↑04 Nov 2024 23:39
Video shows mig 29 went into spin stall. Wonder what can induce it. Since it is not fly by wire (or is it), a maneuver gone wrong?
In our country, Military Aviation buffs like us have to just wonder and guess what went wrong...while in the US they even have access to the crash findings of a frigging stealth fighter!!
Here everything is 'secret' until a serving personnel goes and discloses the secrets to a guy posing as a girl online... thus sharing the secret even without getting laid!
sajaym, whatever be your woke biases, that is a really stupid remark to make, unwarranted, unkind, untrue, and uncalled for ....
Air Force's MiG-29 Stalls In Flat Spin Seconds Before It Crashed
A video showing an Indian Air Force (IAF) MiG-29 fighter jet hurtling towards the ground in a flat spin has gone viral. The fighter jet crashed in a field near Uttar Pradesh's Agra earlier today. The IAF has said the MiG-29 encountered a "system malfunction" before it crashed. The pilot ejected safely after taking the crippled fighter jet to a direction where there would be no damage or casualties on the ground.
In the video, the MiG-29 is seen falling fast in a flat spin before it hits the ground.
A flat spin is a dangerous and potentially life-threatening flight condition that occurs when an aircraft enters an uncontrolled spinning motion.
A flat spin happens when the center of gravity shifts too far aft (toward the tail), and the aircraft’s rotation becomes more horizontal. In this situation, the wings aren’t producing enough lift, and the aircraft essentially falls out of the sky while spinning.
Flat spins are particularly hazardous because the level attitude and reduced airflow over the control surfaces make it difficult to regain control of the airplane.
Some aircraft can enter flat spins even if their center of gravity is in the normal range.
The Difference Between a Normal and Flat Spin
To understand flat spins, you need to understand how an aircraft stalls (and ultimately spins).
A stall occurs when the angle of attack (the angle between the wings and the airflow) becomes too high, causing the wings to lose lift. If a stall is accompanied by yaw (rotation around the vertical axis), it can lead to a spin, which is an autorotation around the aircraft’s center of gravity.
The wing cannot produce enough lift to sustain flight at the critical Angle of Attack (stall).
This yaw (spinning rotation) results from one wing producing more lift than the other. The initial rotation that initiates a spin may result from other factors, such as incorrect control inputs or turbulence.
Unlike a regular spin, where the airplane’s nose points downward, a flat spin occurs when the aircraft remains almost level with the horizon as it rotates.
Because of this level of attitude, very little air flows over the control surfaces, significantly reducing their effectiveness.
This lack of control effectiveness makes a flat spin particularly challenging (and sometimes impossible) to recover from.
yes, I wrote that in BR forums and got quite a bit of hate for the piece. going from VFR to IMC is a dangerous practise especially in area's where you don't have ATC support and proper terrain maps. A shockingly big mistake by an experienced pilot.
yes, I wrote that in BR forums and got quite a bit of hate for the piece. going from VFR to IMC is a dangerous practise especially in area's where you don't have ATC support and proper terrain maps. A shockingly big mistake by an experienced pilot.
From Brigadier Hardeep Singh Sohi, Shaurya Chakra (Retd)
https://x.com/Hardisohi/status/1869984355876999452 ---> Loss of General Rawat, Brigadier Lidder and others in the ill fated helicopter crash en-route to Wellington has been found to be result of human error. Pilots in all probability would have opined on returning to base or diverting the sortie but pressure of VIP sorties creates decision dilemma in their minds, as this would have involved taking flak from higher ups. So they pushed on and we have one of the worst accidents in aviation history. Sometimes one needs to take a stand and say NO. Jai Hind!
A quick question, and I guess only pilot would have answered, why would the helicopter not fly say even 50 feet higher? Or when it entered the cloud, just instinctively go a little higher (and that way miss the tree or a hill that would be there)? Sorry to me even the question sounds stupid. I guess I have not yet squared with a monumental yet a very avoidable loss.
fanne wrote: ↑21 Dec 2024 02:41
A quick question, and I guess only pilot would have answered, why would the helicopter not fly say even 50 feet higher? Or when it entered the cloud, just instinctively go a little higher (and that way miss the tree or a hill that would be there)? Sorry to me even the question sounds stupid. I guess I have not yet squared with a monumental yet a very avoidable loss.
Had similar questions when Kobe Bryant died in a similar CFIT accident.
Why would you not start climb a few hundred feet and re-orient instead of continuing on in tricky conditions. Despite being VIP one would think a military officers would be conducive to alternative approach if Plan A is dangerous.
Sometimes in a active flight the helo or the plane can actually get ahead of your brain and all you're doing is reacting to things instead of "controlling the flight". Many a air crash could have been solved by simply doing a go round or taking more elevation but hindsights 20/20 and all that.
Then and there in the moment it's impossible to tell what exactly could have been going through the pilots mind.
yes, I wrote that in BR forums and got quite a bit of hate for the piece. going from VFR to IMC is a dangerous practise especially in area's where you don't have ATC support and proper terrain maps. A shockingly big mistake by an experienced pilot.
It is not a one-off big piloting mistake by senior most pilot of the chopper unit, the problem is that it a SYSTEMIC ORGANIZATIONAL problem of IAF. IOW degrading level of professionalism has become SOP.
I am from AF family with two generations of military aviators, seen the degradation in last 2 decades up close.
AkshaySG wrote: ↑21 Dec 2024 03:31
Then and there in the moment it's impossible to tell what exactly could have been going through the pilots mind.
Which is why now it's not enough to just have a mechanical voice say "Terrain! Pull up!".
Now we need to have a voice in the cockpit which says "Your current course of action has a 90% chance of a crash based on an analysis of similar previous scenarios"! Therefore I suggest....
At least three personnel were killed after an Indian Coast Guard's (ICG) chopper ALH Dhruv crashed on Sunday at Gujarat's Porbandar during a routine training sortie.
As per inputs, there were three personnel including two pilots in the chopper. All three have lost their lives in the incident, ICG officials told news agency ANI.
Very sad to loose three personnel during Coast Guard ALH crash. ALH crashes have become quite frequent compared to MI-17 helicopters. of course the last MI-17 helo crash took away the precious life of General Bipin Rawath sir. The enquiry should reveal the cause of accident and should be discussed with HAL.
On Sep 2, 2024 another ICG ALH, CG 863, had crashed into the sea off Porbandar while on a night medevac mission killing both pilots & one ACM(D). The board of inquiry (BoI) into that accident would perhaps have just concluded before CG 859 from the same squadron became a smouldering wreck at the same home base. ICG has now lost three of the 16 newly-inducted ALH Mk3 MR with a sobering loss of six lives. 835 Squadron (CG) Porbandar has been whittled down to two helicopters, with more than half the squadron’s flight crew wiped out in ALH crashes.
Makes you wonder whether you can really blame the Army for preferring to take chances with hired helicopters.
AkshaySG wrote: ↑21 Dec 2024 03:31
Had similar questions when Kobe Bryant died in a similar CFIT accident.
Why would you not start climb a few hundred feet and re-orient instead of continuing on in tricky conditions. Despite being VIP one would think a military officers would be conducive to alternative approach if Plan A is dangerous.
Great reconstruction of the cause of the accident.
VIDEO:https://x.com/SandeepUnnithan/status/18 ... 9788735575 ---> On the News9Plus show at 9 pm tonight - insights from veteran chopper pilots AVM @BahadurManmohan and Air Commodore @lalsir12 - on the ALH Dhruv crash investigation and what’s at stake.
Air Force fighter plane crashes in Madhya Pradesh, pilots safe
Indian Air Force’s fighter aircraft Mirage-2000, which was on routine training sortie, crashed on Thursday near Shivpuri in Madhya Pradesh. As per the initial report, the fighter, which took off from Gwalior, developed technical snag. Both the pilots have ejected safely.
One possibility is that many of the failures are caused by the shoddy workmanship and not a faulty design. even the DGCA has said in their ADs that some incidents are attributed to incorrect assembly, wrong wiring, correct process not followed etc. If the shop floor does not take care to make components correctly or put them together the way the designer has planned it, then the fault lies not in the design. We will never know, because there are no records maintained, and in many of the ALH crashes, it might be very difficult to pinpoint whether the crash caused the component failure or the other way around.
