India-US relations: News and Discussions IV

[drnayar]

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[Rakesh]

What U.S. Weapon Is Trump Pushing This Time?
https://www.livefistdefence.com/what-u- ... this-time/
29 January 2025

Which ones did he push for the last time he was president?

He pushed for everything, so that he can peddle that figure to the American people.

[A_Gupta]

The US is pressuring India to take back undocumented immigrants.

India has said, yes, it will cooperate in taking these people back - BUT - if such a person took asylum in another country (say, Canada) and then went to the US then they should be returned to the country they took asylum in.

[williams]

Another problem is somebody can claim undocumented Indian immigrant, when they are really undocumented Bangla immigrant.

[Manish_P]

Which ones did he push for the last time he was president?

He pushed for everything, so that he can peddle that figure to the American people.

I genuinely wanted to know. He makes so many announcements it is tough to remember if he specifically pushed for some items or just made a general statement.

He can't push for strategic products like subs or bombers or ACs. He pushed for the teen series probably as the F35 is of the menu thanks to S400 systems. Missiles we don't need. Tanks neither.

Helicopters, UAVs, Transports (air, land, sea), artillery, small arms etc would be my guess.

[Jay]

Another problem is somebody can claim undocumented Indian immigrant, when they are really undocumented Bangla immigrant.

Doesn't india has to verify this? If we cannot then that's our problem.

[Jay]

https://www.reuters.com/markets/currenc ... 025-01-31/

There goes the BRICS dream of dumping dollar.

We are going to require a commitment from these seemingly hostile Countries that they will neither create a new BRICS Currency, nor back any other Currency to replace the mighty U.S. Dollar or, they will face 100% Tariffs

There is no chance that BRICS will replace the U.S. Dollar in International Trade, or anywhere else, and any Country that tries should say hello to Tariffs, and goodbye to America!,

With this, India's dalliance to ditch USD will firmly come to an end.

[uddu]

There was no plans to create any BRICS currency from the Indian side. Seems Trump will force India to fasten the usage of multi currency trade. Even EU may join in trading in their own currencies. He was foolish in his first term to club India with other nations that are hostile to the U.S. He is repeating the same mistake means, the U.S turning into U.K is inevitable. Even if there is an agreement to use the U.S dollar it will be or max 4 years during Trump presidency, after which everyone will ditch it forever. Trust is something that need earned rather than threatened. The goodwill for the U.S as a nation build up over the years in India even under their deep state policies of hurting India will vanish.

[uddu]

Govt seems to be optimist about good relationship. If things go south, then alternate steps will be taken by the GoI as well. Tit for Tat will be there if Indian interests are harmed. Sometimes visibly if need be or even without showing aggression in public domain.

[uddu]

PM saying that this is the first Parliamentary session since 2014, that foreign interference to disrupt parliamentary proceedings by lighting fire has not happened. Pointing to the fact that it was U.S deep state that was creating the issues even during Trump 1.0 presidency.

[Amber G.]

Another problem is somebody can claim undocumented Indian immigrant, when they are really undocumented Bangla immigrant.

Doesn't india has to verify this? If we cannot then that's our problem.

From MEA India (Press briefing)

"We are keen to continuing this cooperation. At the same time, Government of India would need to do the required verification, including of nationality, of the concerned individuals, before they are deported to India:

Any talk of numbers at this stage is premature. But We do want to emphasize that cooperation between India and the US is strong and effective in this domain. This will be evident in times to come:

[chetak]

Wokes went wrong the same way Mrs Thatcher went wrong - overreach that alienated centrists and their own.

MAGA is running the same risk and Indian RW should take notes.

[A_Gupta]

https://www.justice.gov/opa/pr/two-indi ... -precursor

Jan 6:

Two Indian Chemical Companies and a Senior Executive Indicted for Distributing Fentanyl Precursor Chemicals

Two indictments were unsealed today and Saturday charging India-based companies Raxuter Chemicals and Athos Chemicals Pvt. Ltd. (Athos Chemicals) and Bhavesh Lathiya, a founder and senior executive of Raxuter Chemicals, with criminal conspiracies to distribute and import fentanyl precursor chemicals to the United States. Lathiya was arrested on Jan. 4, in New York City and arraigned before U.S. Magistrate Judge Joseph A. Marutollo for the Eastern District of New York. Lathiya was ordered detained pending trial.

[A_Gupta]

2020 US DEA report that fentanyl production is increasing involving Indians:
https://www.dea.gov/sites/default/files ... ates_0.pdf

[vera_k]

Larger numbers probably need ships.

US deports Indian migrants on C-17 military aircraft

A US military plane has departed with illegal migrants to India, a US official told news agency Reuters on Monday. The C-17 aircraft departed with migrants aboard but would not arrive for at least 24 hours, he added.

[Mort Walker]

They can leave the C-17 in India. The IAF needs to buy it. The crew can fly home on UA or AA back to the US.

[Cyrano]

LoL ! MEA officials in the US would have verified the identity of the deportees before they went on the military aircraft.

The question is what will we do with them once they land in India? In the absence of any relevant laws (which I suspect will be the case) they will just be let off to go to Mahakumbha Mela to wash off their sins and merge into the swirling crowds !

[RCase]

LoL ! MEA officials in the US would have verified the identity of the deportees before they went on the military aircraft.

The question is what will we do with them once they land in India? In the absence of any relevant laws (which I suspect will be the case) they will just be let off to go to Mahakumbha Mela to wash off their sins and merge into the swirling crowds !

I think their passports can be revoked.

[Jay]

The question is what will we do with them once they land in India? In the absence of any relevant laws (which I suspect will be the case) they will just be let off to go to Mahakumbha Mela to wash off their sins and merge into the swirling crowds !

I mean did they break any indian laws? I personally know a couple of indians who were deported from US a decade ago, and one of them is already out of india working in the middle east. Both of them did not face any issues in India obtaining jobs, bank accounts, passports, driving licenses, etc...

[williams]

The question is what will we do with them once they land in India? In the absence of any relevant laws (which I suspect will be the case) they will just be let off to go to Mahakumbha Mela to wash off their sins and merge into the swirling crowds !

I mean did they break any indian laws? I personally know a couple of indians who were deported from US a decade ago, and one of them is already out of india working in the middle east. Both of them did not face any issues in India obtaining jobs, bank accounts, passports, driving licenses, etc...

If they don't have any criminal records, then they are free to do whatever they want. If they do have criminal records, then some action needs to be taken.

Also we should be able to get valuable information to figure the human trafficking handlers if any and go after those thugs.

[chetak]

I mean did they break any indian laws? I personally know a couple of indians who were deported from US a decade ago, and one of them is already out of india working in the middle east. Both of them did not face any issues in India obtaining jobs, bank accounts, passports, driving licenses, etc...

If they don't have any criminal records, then they are free to do whatever they want. If they do have criminal records, then some action needs to be taken.

Also we should be able to get valuable information to figure the human trafficking handlers if any and go after those thugs.

williams ji,

Sort out the criminals and just let the others go.

Their digital identities like finger prints, retina scan, (DNA?) will be permanently held in US records, slamming the door on any hopes of sneaking back

[Amber G.]

xpost:
^^^.
US to deport 725,000 Indians’, Rajiv Shukla shares key data, ‘they were earning good, suddenly turned…

आज संसद की विदेश मंत्रालय की बैठक में भाग लिया ।वहाँ पता चला कि सवा सात लाख भारतीयों को अमेरिका वापस अवैध बता कर भेज रहा है । ये लाखों लोग बीसों साल से वहाँ रह रहे हैं । अच्छी कमाई है भारत में उनका कुछ नहीं बचा है यहाँ आकर वे करेंगे क्या? वे तो अचानक अमीर से ग़रीब हो गए ।

Summary:

President Donald Trump has intensified immigration enforcement in his second term, with a focus on deporting undocumented migrants . A US official confirmed the crackdown.

According to Rajeev Shukla, a Member of Parliament in India, the US plans to deport approximately 725,000 Indian nationals deemed illegal migrants . This move has raised concerns about the fate of deportees who have been living in the US for years.
The Indian government has acknowledged the issue and expressed its commitment to handling illegal migration responsibly . However, the mass deportation is expected to disrupt the lives of thousands of Indian migrants and may have a broader impact on global migration patterns.

[vera_k]

There's several steps to being permanents barred from the USA. People could conceivably try again therefore.

Bars to Returning to the U.S.

[vimal]

xpost:
^^^.
US to deport 725,000 Indians’, Rajiv Shukla shares key data, ‘they were earning good, suddenly turned…

आज संसद की विदेश मंत्रालय की बैठक में भाग लिया ।वहाँ पता चला कि सवा सात लाख भारतीयों को अमेरिका वापस अवैध बता कर भेज रहा है । ये लाखों लोग बीसों साल से वहाँ रह रहे हैं । अच्छी कमाई है भारत में उनका कुछ नहीं बचा है यहाँ आकर वे करेंगे क्या? वे तो अचानक अमीर से ग़रीब हो गए ।

Summary:

President Donald Trump has intensified immigration enforcement in his second term, with a focus on deporting undocumented migrants . A US official confirmed the crackdown.

According to Rajeev Shukla, a Member of Parliament in India, the US plans to deport approximately 725,000 Indian nationals deemed illegal migrants . This move has raised concerns about the fate of deportees who have been living in the US for years.
The Indian government has acknowledged the issue and expressed its commitment to handling illegal migration responsibly . However, the mass deportation is expected to disrupt the lives of thousands of Indian migrants and may have a broader impact on global migration patterns.

Let me tell you straight that majority of these are Punjabi Khalistanis who leave no stone unturned to vilify India. Each to them should be charged for sedition and put away in Tihar jail. Bay Area and Central Valley of California and places like Union City, Yuba city, Manteca, Modesto and Tracy where large sikh communities live, you can find them in hordes in every Gurudwara and gas stations.

[Jay]

If they don't have any criminal records, then they are free to do whatever they want. If they do have criminal records, then some action needs to be taken.

I do not get it. If an Indian citizen has overseas criminal history, under what laws do you want India to take action against them? Let's say, if an Indian citizen commits murder on foreign soil. He's sentenced and after serving the sentence is then deported to India. Since the crime happened on a foreign jurisdiction, and the victim was also not Indian, what or why would India need to resentence them? I mean if the crime was something like 'destroying indian consulate', then yes. But in other cases I do not think India will do anything.

[Jay]

Let me tell you straight that majority of these are Punjabi Khalistanis who leave no stone unturned to vilify India. Each to them should be charged for sedition and put away in Tihar jail. Bay Area and Central Valley of California and places like Union City, Yuba city, Manteca, Modesto and Tracy where large sikh communities live, you can find them in hordes in every Gurudwara and gas stations.

Khalistanis, and Gujaratis are the majority of this group. Unlike Khalistanis, rest of the illegal immigrants from India are hard working economic migrants who just mind their business. Feel sorry for them, but it is what it is.

[Hriday]

Hafiz Saeed's LeT kept bleeding India, USAID kept funding it

https://www.indiatoday.in/world/story/d ... 2025-02-05

Hafiz Saeed's LeT kept bleeding India, USAID kept funding it
Over half of American international funding is channelled through USAID, which is in US President Donald Trump's crosshairs. Despite red flags, USAID ended up funding the Pakistan-based Falah-e-Insaniat Foundation (FIF), a front for Hafiz Saeed-led Lashkar-e-Taiba (LeT).

What is more shocking is despite coming under probe over funding of an Islamist charity with links to terror organisations, USAID kept releasing funds to it.

The USAID aid to FIF was routed through Helping Hand for Relief and Development (HHRD), a Michigan-based Muslim charity that has ties with jihadist outfits operating in South Asia.

Taha said USAID provided $110,000 in funding to jihadist groups in South Asia, including the FIF, which targeted India. "When exposed, they merely launched an internal investigation," he added.

In October 2021, USAID awarded $110,000 to Helping Hand for Relief and Development (HHRD) through the Ocean Freight Reimbursement Program. This award was made despite longstanding, detailed allegations that HHRD is connected to designated terrorist organizations, terror financiers, and extremist groups," wrote McCaul.

Despite the HHRD being under probe for funding terror organisations and risks being flagged, the USAID released another tranche of funding in 2023.

Under the Biden administration in 2023, the USAID gave $73,000 to HHRD.

Such funding of outfits designated terror organisations by the US government itself couldn't have taken place without people in top positions pulling the strings. There is a need for detailed, transparent investigation. So, the dismantling of USAID by Trump has a silver lining for India.

[drnayar]

Let me tell you straight that majority of these are Punjabi Khalistanis who leave no stone unturned to vilify India. Each to them should be charged for sedition and put away in Tihar jail. Bay Area and Central Valley of California and places like Union City, Yuba city, Manteca, Modesto and Tracy where large sikh communities live, you can find them in hordes in every Gurudwara and gas stations.

Khalistanis, and Gujaratis are the majority of this group. Unlike Khalistanis, rest of the illegal immigrants from India are hard working economic migrants who just mind their business. Feel sorry for them, but it is what it is.

maybe we can "export" prisoners to El Salvador ..get them out of india for good

[uddu]

Cross posting from Understanding U.S Thread
Data related to India
https://x.com/sougat18/status/1887064461389037771

Sougat Chakraborty
@sougat18
1. From 2008 - 2024, in the last 17 years, following entities obligated/received assistance from USAID:

- $ 275.48 Million was total obligated to 54 entities



https://x.com/sougat18/status/1887064703488401497
Out of 18 cities in India, New Delhi received the highest assistance. Below is the breakup city wise:


Surprised that Bengaluru+Bangalore is second in USAID funding after Delhi. What's the special interest in Bengaluru and to whom these funds were going?

[uddu]

https://x.com/Sputnik_India/status/1887119142802563349
Sputnik India
@Sputnik_India
Ex-CIA analyst reveals how Soros manipulated BILLIONS in USAID $$ to push GLOBALIST agenda — including in India

Sam Pitroda and his NGO: How Rahul Gandhi’s overseas chairman is working with the US govt and Rockefeller Foundation. Deep State running Congress?
https://www.opindia.com/2024/07/sam-pit ... eep-state/

[sanjaykumar]

I would be very interested in the educational and economic status of these potential deportees with respect to state of origin.

The US has every right to deport them but I suspect the gujaratis are contributing disproportionately to the US economy. And staying out of prison.

[Jay]

The US has every right to deport them but I suspect the gujaratis are contributing disproportionately to the US economy. And staying out of prison.

Doesn't matter what their contributions are. An illegal is an illegal and this trump is showing no distinction between illegals of any nation.

[Tanaji]

Doesn't matter what their contributions are. An illegal is an illegal and this trump is showing no distinction between illegals of any nation.

https://www.ndtv.com/india-news/us-depo ... _topscroll

The deportations could be done with more grace and humanity. Using civilian aircraft and not making tik tok style chest thumping videos after the fact would go a long way. The way its going the administration appears to rub everyone’s nose in the dirt to show its dominance.

[vera_k]

Believe it is being handled this way for now to create a deterrent effect by showing things are not like what's shown in the movies. The more publicity this gets the fewer people will fall victim to promises of moving abroad.

[A_Gupta]

FYI: from Jan 28th:
https://www.themoscowtimes.com/2025/01/ ... ers-a87774

China and India have suspended March purchases of Russian oil as U.S. sanctions drive up shipping costs, Reuters reported Tuesday, citing traders and shipping data.

[Amber G.]

Doesn't matter what their contributions are. An illegal is an illegal and this trump is showing no distinction between illegals of any nation.

https://www.ndtv.com/india-news/us-depo ... _topscroll

The deportations could be done with more grace and humanity. Using civilian aircraft and not making tik tok style chest thumping videos after the fact would go a long way. The way its going the administration appears to rub everyone’s nose in the dirt to show its dominance.

According to India's External Affairs Minister S Jaishankar, the use of handcuffs and chains is part of the standard operating procedure (SOP) for deportations by the US Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) authorities. This procedure has been in place since 2012.

Here are the key points about the deportation process:

Use of restraints: Handcuffs, leg irons, and belly chains are used to restrain deportees, but women and children are exempt from this.
Detention facilities: Deportees are held in one of over 100 ICE detention facilities across the US, with a capacity for up to 41,500 individuals.
Deportation process: Deportees are flown to one of four staging locations along the southwest border, where they stay for a few days before being transported back to the airport for deportation.
In-flight procedures: Deportees are allowed one 18 kg bag, but no carry-ons. Meals are provided during transit, and medical staff are present on board. Between 13 and 20 guards accompany each flight.
It's worth noting that the Trump administration has started using military planes for deportations, which has raised concerns about the treatment of deportees.

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From the above link (Jaishankar in the Upper House):

"It is the obligation of all countries to take back their nationals if they are found to be living illegally abroad. This is naturally subject to an unambiguous verification of their nationality. This is not a policy applicable to any specific country nor indeed one only practised by India. It is a generally accepted principle in international relations."
"The House will appreciate that our focus should be on strong crackdown on the illegal migration industry while taking steps to ease visas for the legitimate travellers. On the basis of information provided by the returning deportees about the agents and others involved, law enforcement agencies will take necessary preventive and exemplary actions,"

EAM Dr S Jaishankar: details US Deportation of illegal migrants:
2009: 734
2010: 799
2011: 597
2012: 530
2013: 515
2014: 591
2015: 708
2016: 1303
2017: 1024
2018: 1180
2019: 2042
2020: 1889
2021: 805
2022: 862
2023: 617
2024: 1368
2025: 104

[Amber G.]

^^^ Colombia, El Salvador, Guatemala, Mexico: Deportee woman who paid Rs 1 crore to agent recalls 25-day ‘dunki’ route, detention in US

Lovepreet Kaur wanted a better future for her 10-year-old son as she tried to move to . the US. Now, she wants the government to get her money back from the agent who allegedly cheated her..
(Lovepreet Kaur, a 30-year-old woman from Punjab paid ₹1 crore to an agent for a promised direct route to the US. Instead, she and her 10-year-old son were forced to take a treacherous route through several countries, including Colombia, El Salvador, Guatemala, and Mexico.
After finally crossing into the US on January 27, they were detained by ICE.. who confiscated their belongings and held them in a camp for five days .
On February 5, Lovepreet and her son were among 104 deportees who were flown back to India on a US Air Force flight, arriving in Amritsar.

[chetak]

[SRajesh]

A Question to all the forum members:
The landing of Plane in Amritsar : is that delibrate/calculated move by the Indian Government??
Also will one land in Gandhinagar?? if there are a lot of Gujarati immigrants without legal papers.
I felt that move away from Delhi given the budget session on and the Opposition with nothing to bat and Paapi's loosing Delhi imminent was Indian directed than US request??

[Aditya_V]

It will be nice if Dawood Ibrahim and ISI Generals children can be moved to Indian Custody without media knowledge to Indian Custody in these flights.