Russian-Ukranian War: Geopolitical Fallout

[bala]

This YT with John Helmer is a good tutorial on the reasons for the Ukr-Rus war. Of course the culprit is the Britshit Empire and its intense hatred for everything Rus for a long time. A german-rus nexus is the crux of the matter, which is being opposed tooth and nail by the Brit cabal and of course now with the US Nato combine. The sabotage of the pipeline to germany is yet another war point which snipped any economic conduit of Rus to Germany.

youtube.com/watch?v=YfaFVLIhFCA

Helmer says that the Russian objectives of De-militarization, De-Nazification, buffer zone and perhaps regime change in Ukr are limited in success so far, with one exception the de-militarization of Ukr maybe. However the de-militarization of Ukr has been augmented by US and Nato countries in Europe. De-nazification is rather difficult since Zels is supported by this faction. Nazi idealogy of Germany caused the previous major conflict in Europe. This hatred is similar to the one the Brits have for Rus. The buffer zone for Russia is disappearing and threats of missile/drones is happening all the time by Ukr.

What DJT and US want, at the current time, is a full stop to the war, a full stop to the money being spent on Ukr and even Gaza. This respite in war torn regions implies that China is on the focus. For India this is good. When things are settled, maybe India can work with Ukr to get some tech help in engines, rockets, aircrafts.

// IMO: the sooner the Britshit empire is completely irradicated from the world the better. This supercillious bunch has effectively caused all the problems of the world - in Asia, in Middle East, in Europe and their leftovers in the US are causing even more problems in the world.

[drnayar]

so what really happened at the white house., unedited version. hold onto your seat's., folks

https://x.com/i/status/1895662470314016782

[Deans]

Wow!! This guy Zelensky does not understand diplomacy. He is talking to the President of the United States like a street thug in public. Even democrats are not going to support him now.

He used an obscene Russian word for Trump/Vance under his breath, which the mics caught.
The literal translation would be bitch, but in Russian slang it might mean whore or swine. No matter what your disagreements with
Trump are, you can't disrespect the office of President like that.

[Deans]

This YT with John Helmer is a good tutorial on the reasons for the Ukr-Rus war. Of course the culprit is the Britshit Empire and its intense hatred for everything Rus for a long time. A german-rus nexus is the crux of the matter, which is being opposed tooth and nail by the Brit cabal and of course now with the US Nato combine. The sabotage of the pipeline to germany is yet another war point which snipped any economic conduit of Rus to Germany.

I've followed Helmer from 2022, but of late he's beginning to sound less credible - maybe paid by the West ? He's started saying that Russians are
less supportive because of the price of butter, worsening economy etc. This is a country where a million people chose to starve to death but didn't
surrender Leningrad, but are expected to surrender because Starbucks left, or they can't holiday in Paris. A long time foreign correspondent in Russia
would understand the Russian psyche.

[Deans]

Deans ji,
Russia's "illegal" invasion is anything but. Putin (a trained lawyer) has followed international law scrupulously before starting the SMO. The Donetsk and Luhansk oblasts were denied fair representation and cultural preservation rights by Ukraine through a series of legislations passed by the Ukrainian Rada. Which gives the peoples of Donbass credible grounds of invoking rights of self determination under UN charter. Which they did. Then Russia signed a military assistance pact with these "republics" and then started the SMO. All eminently defendable under law.

Thats why EVERY European and American leader was shouting "Putin's ILLEGAL invasion of Ukraine" from the rooftops until they were hoarse. Repeating a lie loud enough and often enough.

All this is well documented and verifiable. IIRC, Jacques Baud's book also talks about this.

You are quite right as far as Russian law is concerned and the process Putin followed. It was in fact more legal than NATO's attacks on Serbia, to ensure the independence of Kosovo, as my blog mentions. I have quoted, as you did, the West's position of its being an illegal invasion.

My view is that the optics of Russia's military intervention could have been managed better. Putin could have made his demands (which were
reasonable and unchanged) clearer in the pre war talks. He may have then had the moral high ground among a larger section of the world
(or his own population, a lot of whom were not clear why there was the SMO in Feb 22). The attitudes of ordinary Russians became
more hardened and more supportive of the State later, when they realized they were in an existential war with NATO.

[Cyrano]

Deans Ji,
I think Putin did try to set the narrative for years. But the West's grip on global media is so tight, pervasive and practiced for decades that no matter how much he tried he couldn't really make a dent. The only fora which allowed him to make Russia's case were the ones offered by the BRICS, SCO and his own Valdai conference which the western media largely ignores. They threw Russia out of G8 and since then Putin can shout from the rooftops but there is no one to listen. We all remember the ruckus that happened at G20 Bali & Delhi joint declarations.

The full extent of the subversion of global English dominated media and narrative setting is slowly being revealed with the exposure of USAID, AP, AFP, Reuters, BBC... ityaadi. From universities to scholarships to jobs and funding the system has been gamed so thoroughly that one can't even figure out where to start attacking it. That's why Musk's buy of Twitter, 'you are the media now ' and Trump latching onto Musk are genious moves.

One of the first things the west did at the start of the SMO was to ban RT channels and pressure every country to do the same. Then they picked selective clips to either ridicule Russia or paint Putin as a sick monster and set the narrative. All this while painting themselves as champions of free speech. LoL !
IMO there was and is no way Putin can counter this effectively and influence public opinion in the west. Those few who hold a counter view are quickly painted as conspiracy theorists.

Overall China has been able to mostly avoid bad press, or when it comes out, somehow manages to get those stories fade away quickly. Even on COVID. Imagine for a second the media fallout if it had originated from a lab in Russia or India. Makes one shudder.

There are big lessons here for India if we have to strengthen our position in this multipolar world.

[Tanaji]

The news report that UK has extended a £2.26B loan to Ukraine to buy arms. This is funded out of interest and appreciation of frozen Russian assets… trust UK to use financial skullduggery to get an advantage…

The Europeans are proposing a peace plan to US presumably lead by UK. How would it work if Russia is not even consulted on it? Russia is unlikely to agree to anything that involved Nato soldiers as peace keepers.

[suryag]

BTW, surprised by UK's divergence from Unkil's stand

[bala]

Though I may not agree with all the things that Scott Ritter has to say on this topic of DJT and Zels recent visit to the White House, there are many points he makes which others may not know or perhaps have little idea. He says that the Euros have a penchant for Supercilliousness (we all know the Britshits!) and racism is in-built into their ethos/thinking. Zels has the full backing of the Nazi faction of Ukr. Moreover they do not want peace, there has always been turmoil in Eurolands - two world wars is a testament to such behaviour.

Scott Ritter's chat with an Indian journalist/interviewer:

youtube.com/watch?v=J15KBqfx1Ic

// will wait for the DJT - Rus deal terms, definitely Ukr and drug addict Zels will be sidelined and given a rump of state to deal with. The US will walk away with some portion of their mineral wealth to pay for the $500 B help given to Ukr for the war with Rus. Rus gets back some land which is considered a prime real estate of Euro. India can perhaps work the Ukr angle of tech transfer and other economic trade.

[Vayutuvan]

Wow!! This guy Zelensky does not understand diplomacy. He is talking to the President of the United States like a street thug in public. Even democrats are not going to support him now.

Democrats are being democrats. All of them have TDS. Many came out in support of Zelensky. There was definitely some blame to be apportioned to VP JD Vance and also Trump. But what is with Senators meeting with Zelensky and bowing to him before he went into WHOTUS meeting? That soured Trump and JD on this fellow, I am sure.

[drnayar]

BTW, surprised by UK's divergence from Unkil's stand

Don't be. It's all bluster. Even the promised monies are Russian funds. Brit boots on the ground? Good luck with that. Even 50 body caskets back home will nail labour. , there is no £ucking ISR , no modern rifles.. seriously the Brit army is a joke a pale shadow of the erstwhile glories. The nuclear deterrent is all Sam's missiles. Starmer and UK is a big joke. Period.

Oh btw one of the baltic chihuahua s has gotten into the money laundry gravy train, they will buy weapons from Ukraine and give it back to them

[Cyrano]

Perhaps Zelly already secretly signed off the 'minerals' to the Brits, French and the EU. Trumpwa was late for the party, and if he realises the double cross, he will rip all of them apart. I'm thinking Macron's and Starmer's trip before Zelly landed in DC was to talk Trump out of the deal. That didn't go as they thought so perhaps they told Zelly to piss Trumpwa in full media glare and make the US walk out of the deal. If this was the ploy, it has worked brilliantly.

[bala]

Yes, Cyrano saar!

In this YT at around 12:20 Scott Ritter mentions a 100 B deal on minerals with Starmer and Zels. This is not going to happen and UK currently is a joke of a nation which thinks too highly of itself in the Ukr-Rus tussle.

youtube.com/watch?v=EqJGUXsj5Ow

Euro entity (UK,etc supporters of Zel against DJT), Euro Nato, Zels/Ukr are on a list to be axed by DJT and the US. These entities conspired against DJT 1 st term as President. There is a clip of starmer at around 27:10 wherein he thinks he is in charge (such a joker!) of Ukr-Rus tussle. All these jokers will be told to f-off and between the US and Rus things will be hammered out and Zels etc will be gone. DJT will get his minerals wealth and Ukr will be on the hook to repay its expenses to the US. Russia is probably laughing at the whole show.

[srai]

Here’s EU/NATO viewpoint by Finnish PM

Some key points

* Ukraine military (800k) is currently the most numerous, most experienced and battle hardened and well equipped amongst EU members

* EU has a 3-step peace plan: position Ukraine with strength, ironclad ceasefire agreement with a peacekeeping force, security guarantees for lasting peace with territorial integrity

* Minerals deal to get America as a stakeholder (financial investments) that they are more willing to protect

* When there is a peace agreement, an American idea is that if Russia breaks the accord then Ukraine automatically becomes part of NATO

[Cyrano]

^^^ Only no one is listening or cares.

[bala]

Here in YT around 20:00 DJT says the following on whether he is being easy on Russia:

US President GW Bush gave Russia the land around Georgia. Obama gave away Crimea to Russia. DJT Presidency 1 gave nothing to Russia. Biden almost gave away Ukraine, the Donbass, Lugansk area is gone, almost a 1/3 of Ukraine is gone. With DJT 2.0 Trump will not give away anything more, he just wants the war to stop. Actually DJT 1.0 gave Ukraine javelin missiles which were used against Russian tanks. DJT also mentioned that $350 B can rebuild the US navy with newer ships.

youtube.com/watch?v=jwNz42-4KLQ

[srai]

^^^
At the same time, DJT 1 did not end American war in Afghanistan (started from 2001) or Ukraine (started from 2014) …

Can anyone name any war/conflict DJT 1 ended?

[nevin]

well, things have sort of come to an end.

US suspends all military aid to Ukraine, in wake of Trump-Zelenskyy row
Decision affects ammunition, vehicles and other equipment including weapons in transit

[ashthor]

^^^
At the same time, DJT 1 did not end American war in Afghanistan (started from 2001) or Ukraine (started from 2014) …

Can anyone name any war/conflict DJT 1 ended?

Name any war/conflict which he started?

[bala]

Andrei Martyanov take on the recent DJT - Zels - Rus equation. He believes that Europe is the issue and will be sidelined in the new status quo. Andrei says that the world has 3 superpowers - US, Russia and China. Note India is not there yet. Scott Ritter believes that the new poles include India besides US, Russia and China. Andrei calls it based on the reality of the world and his assessment is spot on.

After the two world wars, Europe recovered from massive devastation, deaths and upheavals. US and Soviet union walked away as the respective victors of world wars. After this devastation, the European Union rose up due to Russian cheap energy. Russia believed it is a part of Europe. All of this is gone, Russia now understands that it is not Europe, its cheap energy supply to Europe has been disrupted and Europe is reeling under huge inflation. Add to this the moronic woke policy of admitting immigrants especially the jihadi kind. Of the Euros, UK is a complete joke of a nation according to Andrei and he considers Starmer to be an idiot. The UK military is another joke, in fact, both Scott and Andrei dismiss any military capability of the Euros. Andrei believes the US military is also lagging and the its top echelons are promoted because of politics not capability of the individual. DJT is cleaning house in the US and Andrei is enjoying the upheaval in the US and of course in Ukraine too.

An entertaining must watch episode from Andrei.

youtube.com/watch?v=3vXmsAhOTiE

[srai]

^^^
At the same time, DJT 1 did not end American war in Afghanistan (started from 2001) or Ukraine (started from 2014) …

Can anyone name any war/conflict DJT 1 ended?

Name any war/conflict which he started?

Killed an Iranian general in Iraq

[Cyrano]

BTW, surprised by UK's divergence from Unkil's stand

The hatred for Russia in the British establishment is at a level that is insane. Add the short sightedness and incompetence of the recent crop of British politicians and it's clear they are heading for a huge disaster along with the 'colalition of the willing'.

They have no love for Ukraine, just blind hatred for Russia.

This US - UK fallout is still a bit unbelievable. There could be wheels within wheels...

[drnayar]

BTW, surprised by UK's divergence from Unkil's stand

The hatred for Russia in the British establishment is at a level that is insane. Add the short sightedness and incompetence of the recent crop of British politicians and it's clear they are heading for a huge disaster along with the 'colalition of the willing'.

They have no love for Ukraine, just blind hatred for Russia.

This US - UK fallout is still a bit unbelievable. There could be wheels within wheels...

I think it's the same Blackrock and co with it's tentacles in the Anglo-Saxon bureaucracy. When it could no longer work in the USA , they are pressurising the UK

Blackrock and allied companies along with certain bureaucracy in US UK and EU is the deep state. , along with it's paid for actors.

"When you go against bureaucracy, you go against democracy "

[drnayar]

Deans Ji,
I think Putin did try to set the narrative for years. But the West's grip on global media is so tight, pervasive and practiced for decades that no matter how much he tried he couldn't really make a dent. The only fora which allowed him to make Russia's case were the ones offered by the BRICS, SCO and his own Valdai conference which the western media largely ignores. They threw Russia out of G8 and since then Putin can shout from the rooftops but there is no one to listen. We all remember the ruckus that happened at G20 Bali & Delhi joint declarations.

The full extent of the subversion of global English dominated media and narrative setting is slowly being revealed with the exposure of USAID, AP, AFP, Reuters, BBC... ityaadi. From universities to scholarships to jobs and funding the system has been gamed so thoroughly that one can't even figure out where to start attacking it. That's why Musk's buy of Twitter, 'you are the media now ' and Trump latching onto Musk are genious moves.

One of the first things the west did at the start of the SMO was to ban RT channels and pressure every country to do the same. Then they picked selective clips to either ridicule Russia or paint Putin as a sick monster and set the narrative. All this while painting themselves as champions of free speech. LoL !
IMO there was and is no way Putin can counter this effectively and influence public opinion in the west. Those few who hold a counter view are quickly painted as conspiracy theorists.

Overall China has been able to mostly avoid bad press, or when it comes out, somehow manages to get those stories fade away quickly. Even on COVID. Imagine for a second the media fallout if it had originated from a lab in Russia or India. Makes one shudder.

There are big lessons here for India if we have to strengthen our position in this multipolar world.

Biolabs in Ukraine, at least a dozen funded through USAID

[Cyrano]

Yes, Russia disclosed this in detail in 2022 itself. Quickly suppressed by the western media narrative builders.

Apparently they were trying to create bio weapons that can be targeted to specific (in this case Russian) ethnicities and testing them on Donbass people. Among other such nefarious things.

[Cyrano]

I think it's the same Blackrock and co with it's tentacles in the Anglo-Saxon bureaucracy. When it could no longer work in the USA , they are pressurising the UK

Blackrock and allied companies along with certain bureaucracy in US UK and EU is the deep state. , along with it's paid for actors.

"When you go against bureaucracy, you go against democracy "

There are business interests of course, and Blackrock can benefit from mineral exploitation and reconstruction business in Ukraine from both sides of the Atlantic. So that alone doesn't explain the current US - UK fallout or the all consuming British Russo phobia. There is more than meets the eye I think.

[ashthor]

Name any war/conflict which he started?

Killed an Iranian general in Iraq

its bigger than libya, syria, isis, ukranian.

[Aldonkar]

* Ukraine military (800k) is currently the most numerous, most experienced and battle hardened and well equipped amongst EU members

Just to clarify: Ukraine is not a member of the EU.

On the subject of UK aid to the Ukraine, the money will actually be spent on British arms and British goods. No money will actually leave the UK economy. I believe that this is true of most of the donors - the money they "donate" is spent on goods (or arms) originating in their country.

A slight divergence. As a teenager, I saw an announcement in the Kenyan press about a £15 million aid package (£15 Million was a huge sum in 1963) to newly independent Kenya from the UK. Later I actually saw what it consisted of; all the fixed assets that the Brits could not take from the country, among them the RAF base in Eastleigh which I lived close to and until a couple of years earlier, doubled as the commercial airport of Nairobi.

[srai]

^^^
Aid is a poison pill. Majority of that money is spent within the donor’s own country. Flood the recipient country with things that don’t grow their economy (in fact the opposite).

Question to ask: If all the aid were “great”, then why hasn’t any of these nations become first world in their own outright over many decades?

[srai]

Killed an Iranian general in Iraq

its bigger than libya, syria, isis, ukranian.

Luckily the Iranian SSM counter strike on US airbase didn’t kill US servicemen… otherwise it might have been different.

By not ending the long-running 15-year American war in Afghanistan during his first presidency, what would you call that? … maintaining a war

[Cyrano]

Trump in his first term already wanted to exit Afg and wanted a proper exit with soldiers and equipment returning last, and an agreement with Talibunny heads (there are a bunch of them) to not create violence or else... Such orderly exit needs many months to plan and execute. His term ended before it could be implemented.

Then Bidet came in and exited Afg in a very precipitous manner, left billions of equipment behind, only because he wanted to go after Russia. All these are facts that have been discussed a lot in this forum, and are easily verifiable with a few minutes of research.

Srai, some times I feel you are trolling here by posting such nonsense as above.

[Manish_P]

...
By not ending the long-running 15-year American war in Afghanistan during his first presidency, what would you call that? … maintaining a war

Changing the goal posts or playing a different game now are we....

Wasn't the original question which war did he 'start'?

[bala]

Two Americans (Judge Andrew Napolitano and Prof. Jeffrey Sachs) talking about Ukraine and Israel situation. US President Donald J. Trump is upsetting all the previous decisions. Euro NATO is now "nanga baba" without US support. Russia is taking advantage of the situation and nibbling away territory from Ukraine. Jeffrey Sachs does not support Israel and its vision of removing palestinians from Gaza. He supports withdrawing from the Ukraine war by DJT. These are tough decisions which have to be made by America since for a long time America was involved in crisis manufacturing around the globe. Sachs wants peace, no war. But there are so many other factors involved in decision making. DJT has good relations with both Israel and ME players, a solution to the problem is very tricky. In the case of Ukraine-Russia war, it is quite simple - both the US and Russia need to come to some settlement since the war is principally between the two of them and Ukraine is caught in the midst.

youtube.com/watch?v=6n0iD_xRFjg

[srai]

...
By not ending the long-running 15-year American war in Afghanistan during his first presidency, what would you call that? … maintaining a war

Changing the goal posts or playing a different game now are we....

Wasn't the original question which war did he 'start'?

Ok last post on this. Talking about “goalpost” changing, well my original question to begin with was “Can anyone name any war/conflict DJT 1 ended?” The reply was the question you are talking about. So really it depends on where you want to begin on the thread and say who changed the goalposts

The poster who mentioned he did not start any war also said he gave Ukrainians Javelins to use against Russian tanks

[bala]

US Vice President J. D. Vance explains what happened on Friday with Zels and DJT at the White House.

The below is transcript of points between the J. D. Vance and the interviewer Hannity of US FoxNews:

Both Euro and US people are unwilling to fund the war. Only the Euro politicos and Ukraine want to continue to fight and they expect the people to fund them. The mineral deal is a good one, it gives both US and Ukraine a stake in the nation of Ukraine and repays back the money spent. Remember some major US investments are needed to extract the minerals. However Zels and now the Euros led by idiot Starmer who thinks he is in charge of everything in the world, want to continue to fight and kill more young Ukrainian soldiers. Even US Senator Lindsey Graham who is a hawk has given up on Zels and the Euros (e.g. the Britshits). Zels has to come back to the table, have some humility and negotiate a sensible way forward, no war, salvage what remains and recoup the losses by rebuilding. US and Russia are the behemoths. US is providing both economic and security guarantee for Ukraine. Negotiations are going to be tough, every side wanting advantage but hope a happy compromise can be achieved.

Zels kept the rhetoric going in Euroland. DJT halted all aid to Ukraine. This is where things are currently. The stalemate needs to be resolved. Don't know what will happen next.

youtube.com/watch?v=T0RHvRh2OD0

[Manish_P]

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Ok last post on this. Talking about “goalpost” changing, well my original question to begin with was “Can anyone name any war/conflict DJT 1 ended?” The reply was the question you are talking about. So really it depends on where you want to begin on the thread and say who changed the goalposts

The poster who mentioned he did not start any war also said he gave Ukrainians Javelins to use against Russian tanks

DT attempted to end the US wars in A'stan and now he is trying to end the Ukraine war

As to the wars he has started, look away from the actual geographical battlefield and to the economic one..

[Hriday]

Can someone please explain why the EU wants to continue the Ukraine war despite the withdrawal of the USA? Hoping to get a mineral deal? But Trump made it clear that they want the 350+ billion dollars sent to Ukraine or compensation with a mineral deal. Does Ukraine have spare minerals to export to the EU?

Or EU thinking of lying low for now and hoping for a return of Democrats rule after 4 years?

[vera_k]

My take is that the EU has no reason to exist if not for a perceived threat from Russia. Remove that, and things revert back to various EU members going at each others throats. Even with this, the EU has not been able to modernize their politics and develop a national identity. Many of the European states are not democracies, at least not the way we understand a democracy with power shared across the political spectrum. Existential reason then to continue the war.

Why Europe's leadership wants war

[Hriday]

^^
IMHO, the EU and Britain are certainly not working for their national interest. Just look at their open border policy and the pampering of Islamic hardliners.

Most likely the Ukraine aid is a case of stealing money on the excuse of sending aid money for EU and British politicians and other influencers. As per the news, Ukraine is like a black hole regarding the spending of aid money. Also, there are reports of Ukraine selling Western arms in the black market, as Deans predicted earlier.

[Tanaji]

EU (andI take this as Europe rather than strict definition) is not monolithic, there are a few competing interests:

States like Poland and Latvia that were ex USSR and have grudges against Russia for historical reasons
Finland that has fought a skirmish with USSR and Norway that are nervous with Russia on its borders
UK that historically been against Russia since colonial times and love to do “unglee” and use it to ingratiate themselves to USA and have outsized influence
France and Germany are more open to cooperation but cannot be seen as kowtowing to Russia
Others that are largely indifferent or are not affected economically as much
Nato subsidises a lot of smaller nations defence and is there is no threat the raison d’être ceases to exist which means the smaller nations have to contribute significantly more to defence

All in all, UK and Poland are leading the call to keep fighting as they personally aren’t losing anything and are happy to see other people die if it hurts Russia