Pahalgam Terror Attack: News & Discussion

[Cyrano]

Firstly condolences to the families of innocent victims who are all Hindus.

Now blaming our government and forces at this moment is not the reaction expected from forumites who should know better.

Pappu out of country is not a coincidence.

Retribution will come and I hope it will be map changing. Internally, mollycoddling of Kashmiris must stop. OGWs must be weeded out.

[Amber G.]

Breaking News: Indian Army has foiled an infiltration bid by terrorists in the Uri Sector of North Kashmir at the India-Pakistan LoC. 2-3 Pakistani terrorists were attempting to infiltrate into India from Pakistan at General area Sarjeevan near Uri Nala leading to intense gunfight.

Two Pakistani terrorists killed while infiltrating into India in the Uri sector of North Kashmir’s Baramulla in a brief intense encounter with Indian Army. IED, 2 AK Rifles and Pistol have been recovered. Major terror attack averted.

Despatched By Indian Army - Images of the terrorists ..

[Amber G.]

List of casualties in the Pahalgam Terror Attack in Kashmir - 26 killed, 17 injured.

[Bharadwaj]

Not doing any Randi rona but if any of these poor IB chaps was packing they could have taken down a pig or two in the mele and given themselves a chance. Maybe they were packing but I doubt it.

[Amber G.]

All 27 mortal remains of tourists killed in Pahalgam have been brought to Srinagar in Kashmir. Home Minister Amit Shah likely to pay homage to the departed today morning. ..

[Amber G.]

Terrorisan Defense Minister Khawaja Asif says

Pakistan has no link to the Pahalgam incident. We don’t support terrorism anywhere. Don't Blame Pakistan. India interferes in Balochistan. Rebellions in Indian states show rising unrest. Islamic & other resistance is home grown

Meanwhile Turkiye condemns the J&K terror attack:

[madhu]

some how i am not able to think this is more of Islamic act. i feel more of geopolitical in nature. unfortunately whom ever i talk in my friends group think this is Islamic.

what could be bigger motive behind this? for pak this is not that good time. i know it has too much problem in baloc and FATA and want to unite people and divert attention but unfortunately Trump in US, Modi in India and not having money is an issue.

is this standard pak madarasa brilliance where it has beautiful plan A but forgot to have plan B?

[Amber G.]

All 27 mortal remains of tourists killed in Pahalgam have been brought to Srinagar in Kashmir. Home Minister Amit Shah likely to pay homage to the departed today morning. ..

[ricky_v]

some how i am not able to think this is more of Islamic act. i feel more of geopolitical in nature. unfortunately whom ever i talk in my friends group think this is Islamic.

what could be bigger motive behind this? for pak this is not that good time. i know it has too much problem in baloc and FATA and want to unite people and divert attention but unfortunately Trump in US, Modi in India and not having money is an issue.

is this standard pak madarasa brilliance where it has beautiful plan A but forgot to have plan B?

I do not want to profane this thread with ct, but here goes:

I think there is a new global order on the horizon, one in which first among equals parcel out the globe, sooth asia is one of the undecided and this must be constantly drummed up by all neighbors that the local strongman is not capable enough to police it's apportioned region, but rather it's control over it's own region is tepid

I think matters will escalate in these 1000 cuts tactics, in east, west, north, internally all with 100 different names but 1 mission, that India ends this round as well as a supplicant rather than a decision maker

Also, blind hate is not useless, too much understanding can otoh lead to a handicap in necessary action

[Cyrano]

Ricky Ji,
I've had similar thoughts. But this is also an opportunity for Bharat to show that inside the velvet glove of vasudaiva kutumbakam there is an iron fist that will strike decisively and powerfully when threatened or provoked.

If Pak army is destroyed then all these BD and domestic jihadis will fold very quickly.

[Aditya_V]

See if the wrong side has guns and right side is unarmed it is genocide, if the right side is armed and wrong side is unarmed it means peace.

while they can shoot random civilians, we have to follow all legal procedures with proof in biased courts and ecosystems. hmm, we now know what 304 to 242 has caused, anyway enough of my impotent rage on the internet.

[Amber G.]

Sketches of Pahalgam attack terrorists have been released.:

[madhu]

I think there is a new global order on the horizon, one in which first among equals parcel out the globe, sooth asia is one of the undecided and this must be constantly drummed up by all neighbors that the local strongman is not capable enough to police it's apportioned region, but rather it's control over it's own region is tepid

is it not the new global order finalized with China as new USSR. Trump wants to windup Ukraine and concentrate on China more. India telling it is with US in Trade war.

[madhu]

Sketches of Pahalgam attack terrorists have been released.:

names are Asif Fauji, Suleman Shah and Abu Talha

[nits]

some how i am not able to think this is more of Islamic act. i feel more of geopolitical in nature. unfortunately whom ever i talk in my friends group think this is Islamic.

what could be bigger motive behind this? for pak this is not that good time. i know it has too much problem in baloc and FATA and want to unite people and divert attention but unfortunately Trump in US, Modi in India and not having money is an issue.

is this standard pak madarasa brilliance where it has beautiful plan A but forgot to have plan B?

This is more strategic in nature with obvious color of religion (which is tragic and barbaric ) - US Veep in India, Modi in SA to sign deals, FM in US - this is done to disrupt India's geopolitical moves and this should not go unpunished

Guns should blaze and known and unknows gunmen's should double down on there target

[Tanaji]

Are there many news reports that actually confirm that victims were lined up and made to pull down their pants before being shot?

Foreign reporting as usual absolutely not mentioning this

[Cyrano]

Yes, there are pics of dead Hindus stripped of pants and crying family members who have spoken about this. The terrorists in some cases asked men to recite kalma and when they could not stripped them to confirm they are not circumcised - therefore not Muslims - and then shot them point blank, in front of their horrified family.

Even all of indian media will not speak about this factually.

[S_Madhukar]

The shameful thing in all this is today we have better sympathy for us and even if POTUS says go ahead do what you want we are a bit lame with our defence formations.

Actually to rephrase we already had non offensive plans and on top of that our defence looks shaky. We are stretching from Red Sea to Malaka but we are absent at home. And we won’t have sympathy at the time we choose to retaliate because memory is short, journalists are useless and world moves on. Hence the need to have that velvet glove ready at all times to showcase at such times.

[SRajesh]

Time and again we seem to take security of citizens for granted.
Let me elaborate:
1. a lot of noise made both within and outside India about NaMo's muscular policy
2. Deliberate attempts being made at no normalcy in J&K
3. Return of the local Jihadis in power in J&K who always want to provide a "Healing Touch" to the pariah!!
4. And now a football match will erupt as who is responsible for Security Arrangements Local Jihadis or GOI
5. How come when the LG was in charge there were no chinks in security blanket??
6. Completely ignoring the Overground Silent support for these scums to create mayhem (just compare how many overgound modules were apprehended and convicted post 26/11)
7. If there is a strong response I am pretty sure the Randi Alliance will go to town as 'False Flag' operation to win Bihar elections

[Baikul]

Good summary but I am beyond caring what other nations think.

They are all platitudes. Preliminary to putting pressure on India not to retaliate.

Pakistan needs to learn a hard, public lesson and that’s the bottom line.

Nothing less will do.

[Hriday]

https://x.com/FltLtAnoopVerma/status/19 ... oIfxA&s=19

Guys don’t ask me specifics

But Pakistan is gonna be ******

It’s a done deal

Can a retired person get sensitive details? If I am not wrong Rakesh often posts some insider information by retired armed forces personnels. I hope now the question is how much Pakistan is going to suffer.

[drnayar]

Bharat has now an excuse to do what it deems fit with Pakistan. It is now toast.

After Israel's response in Gaza, America will be on India's camp., Russia would be happy to sit on the fence and China can do whatever they want.

I do hope the response would be so that POK comes apart

[ricky_v]

Ricky Ji,
I've had similar thoughts. But this is also an opportunity for Bharat to show that inside the velvet glove of vasudaiva kutumbakam there is an iron fist that will strike decisively and powerfully when threatened or provoked.

sadly, Cyrano Ji, with the existence of our neighbors, we will constantly be provided the opportunity to demonstrate the above, 3 years or maybe 5 years down the line. I have been in too many of these threads to realise the cyclically futile nature of our nation's co-existence with its neighbors

If Pak army is destroyed then all these BD and domestic jihadis will fold very quickly.

as to this, i am not so confident, i think we may be moving into a whack-a-mole type scenario

is it not the new global order finalized with China as new USSR. Trump wants to windup Ukraine and concentrate on China more. India telling it is with US in Trade war.

i think its more than that, for starts, the un in the present form will go, as will other constraining bodies such as the icj, unhr ityadi. the new system i feel is a gentlemanly agreement between regional bahubalis only for the purpose of the very costly regional stability, other forms of globalisation will go on as before, this is also borne of the fact that with so many viewpoints and democratisation of voices via sm of local issues, global governance is hampered, so break it into manageable chunks between those who can, so we are moving from globalisation for all to throttled globalisation for all; the modern world was founded in 1945 anyways, it can always mutate

[Hriday]

https://x.com/republic/status/191486041 ... U2dlQ&s=19

#BREAKING | Pakistan violates ceasefire in Poonch along LoC, unprovoked firing reported in Tattapani sector

Tune in to LIVE TV for all the fastest #BREAKING alerts on #PahalgamAttack - youtube.com/watch?v=uKJAYa… #Pahalgam #Jammu #Kashmir

So it looks like Pakistan desperately want a minor conflict with India. 245 people killed in the last 5 years didn't move Modi govt to properly retaliate, so Pakistan have to work hard to create a tense situation.

VatsRohit comments that Pakistan army want a diversion to continue their hold on power.
https://x.com/KesariDhwaj/status/191473 ... tN9-Q&s=19

- Whole of Pakistan is bleeding. Baloch, KPK, Mahran Baloch, screwed-up economy, PTI challenge to the military, Sindh-Punjab canal issue, unprecendented agitation against the Pakistan Army and its general.

- How do you get the people's mind off these issues and restore the primacy of the Pakistan Army?

- By doing #Pahalgamterroristattack and getting India to retalite.
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I remember reading in the forum that if Pakistan army is sufficiently shamed in a conflict with India, then many powerful entities inside Pakistan will turn against army. In short a civil war like situation..

[ritesh]

Have just one request from those in power...

The damage and pain should be visible and undeniable, nothing else will matter.

[madhu]

India is preparing to take BIG diplomatic action against Pakistan.

— India may CANCEL Indus Waters Treaty.
— India may cut all diplomatic ties with Pakistan.
— India may SHUT down its High Commission in Islamabad.

https://x.com/MeghUpdates/status/1914948686112542948
Whats the point 8n cut all diplomatic ties or closing High Commission. How will we give instructions to unknown gunmen

CANCEL Indus Waters Treaty is good but how will I use the water? Can I flood pak by emptying full dams? It's summer are there crops that I can affect now? I doubt. Cancel yes but it's not effective

[Manish_P]

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I remember reading in the forum that if Pakistan army is sufficiently shamed in a conflict with India, then many powerful entities inside Pakistan will turn against army. In short a civil war like situation..

Were they not sufficiently shamed in 1971, 1999?

[A_Gupta]

BD Chief adviser condemns Kashmir attack
https://www.thedailystar.net/news/bangl ... ck-3878306

How about Canada? Any reaction from there?

[A_Gupta]

In reality, like Israel, India is in a permanent state of war, and like with Israel, any lapse in vigilance means an October 7th. Asim Munir issued a reminder the other day.

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Added later - a question - is there any reason that India should strike only along the LoC and not anywhere else?

[VinodTK]

From Times Of India

Robert Vadra links Pahalgam terror attack to govt's Hindutva push; shocking, shameless says BJP

NEW DELHI: Businessman Robert Vadra, husband of Congress MP Priyanka Gandhi, on Wednesday linked the Pahalgam terror attack to BJP government's Hindutva push in the country evoking a strong retort from the BJP. "If you dissect this terrorist act that took place, if they (terrorists) are looking at people's identity, why are they doing this? Because there's a divide that has come about in our country with Hindus and Muslims ... and also christians. Looking at identities and then killing somebody, that's a message to the PM, because Muslims are feeling weakened. The minorities are feeling weakened," Robert Vadra said reacting to the Pahalgam terror attack in which 28 innocent people lost their lives.
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[Manish_P]

...India is in a permanent state of war...

This.

Just this.

[VinodTK]

ANI

#WATCH | Delhi | Indian Navy Lieutenant Vinay Narwal's wife bids an emotional farewell to her husband, who was killed in the Pahalgam terror attack
The couple got married on April 16.

https://x.com/ANI/status/19149807618427 ... 549733.cms

[ShauryaT]

What will happen, if GoI declares that any PA installation 50 KM from the LOC will be treated as a legitimate target and be at it for the foreseeable future, using all conventional assets at its disposal? I know war but is that not what we want and are confident can win? A limited war, limited by space may allow for our limited budgets and capacities to focus and achieve goals, which necessarily need some time to succeed without pulling down the whole economy and limit strategic escalation options.

[wig]

along the road from Anantnag to Pahalgam there are places off the main road where small groups of tourists trek or ride on ponies to enjoy the scenic beauty.
Baisaran Valley is one such place to which Local agents guide tourists.
composition of this group which was attacked must have been conveyed to the waiting terrorists, without doubt
There are eating joints in the meadows which are run by locals. Many tourists were killed while they were in these local dhabas.
tourist season is in full flow during the few weeks preceding the Amarnath Yatra.
JK police had no out post in the area.
staff of no dhaba was injured or killed.
religion and non local composition of the tourists was known to the terrorists. They confirmed it by asking the victims.
The security forces must segregate the locals and screen them. It is unlikely this event took place without local support.
pony operators, guides, dhaba owners and employees they all are suspects.
this is an ongoing fight against pakistan the fount and haven of terror.

[chetak]

ANI

#WATCH | Delhi | Indian Navy Lieutenant Vinay Narwal's wife bids an emotional farewell to her husband, who was killed in the Pahalgam terror attack
The couple got married on April 16.

https://x.com/ANI/status/19149807618427 ... 549733.cms

[madhu]

Not sure if I’ve shared my Kashmir experience here before. About 3 years ago, I had gone to Kashmir. The entire tour was organized by one of my friend's office colleagues. He used to work in Bangalore, but later he quit and moved back to Kashmir.

There had been a major clash in North India once, where tensions were high and many people started blaming Muslims. At that time, my friend gave this colleague shelter at his place until things calmed down. In return for that gesture, he helped us plan the trip.

I had been to his house—really nice people, soft-spoken and friendly. Even his wife came and spoke to us, which surprised me because I’ve never even spoken to the wife of my Muslim friend from Bangalore.

Later, his aunt also came to talk to us. She said she was originally a Hindu from Hyderabad—a Brahmin who had converted after falling in love with Kashmir. She seemed very orthodox in her practice, wearing a dupatta over her head and speaking with a bit of irritation toward Hindus.

There was a moment when we asked about certain goods we couldn’t find locally, and she said they were "imported from India," which felt odd to us. She also made a comment like, “Brahmin log toh idols ko tan-tan katke puja karte hain na,” which felt quite offensive. Somehow, my entire family felt that she held some bitterness or hatred toward us.

At the Jamia Masjid, while we were walking, a couple deliberately came near us and said, “These bloody Hindus don’t leave this place either?” That comment shocked us.

While we were sitting in the car, two boys on a bike came by and spat inside before riding off.

These kinds of things are more common in interior areas, but in tourist spots, they treat you well. They say, “Aap mehmaan hain,” and offer things for free or at very low prices but fool you later.

[chetak]

* No citing of victims’ religion.
* No mention of terrorists’ religion.
* No mention of religious screening before #Pahalgam massacre.
* No call for revenge.

These are ‘moderate’ muslim celebs with Indian passports but diehard devotion to their qaum.


Hindus must learn from them.

But why is farhan akhtar standing in solidarity with kashmiris it was non-kashmiris who died?

[Hriday]

Exec Editor of CNNews18 writes,
https://x.com/AmanKayamHai_/status/1914 ... yl-HQ&s=19

Defence Minister Rajnath Singh’s meeting with the Service Chiefs on Pahalgam lasted more than 150 minutes, comprehensive review done and deliberations on response discussed — before the big CCS meeting later today

Service chiefs means Army, Airforce and Navy chiefs.

Is this meeting with the 3 service chiefs exceptional? Does such meetings happen on other routine small scale terror acts or on temporary ceasefire violations by Pakistan?

[uddu]

The meeting will go like this
RS: Are we ready to strike back kick out Pakistanis from our land?
Chief: Absolutely, we are ready to strike with whatever we have
RS:Whatever we have?
Yes Sir, the Apaches has not arrived. We gave delayed orders for LCH and it has not yet in mass production. etc etc
Most of the time the discussion must have been on Emergency import and which and all countries are ready to supply at short notice and at what price.
RS scratches his head and goes and tells Namo that we are in a precarious situation and not ready for war.
Eventually everyone will decide for Surgical Strike
Rinse and repeat with every time terror strikes.
Without acknowledging the root problem ready to sort it out for ever, the problem is not going to go away.

[Dilbu]

Anyway the initiative is not with India for any major military action. May be some surgical strikes are being planned. This govt cannot sit idle without providing a response as that would damage their credibility very badly. I hope the response does not end with firing across LOC, closing the high commission in TSP and a few additional pigs getting pestishahidized in the coming weeks. The time is ripe for some meaningful next step to be taken and hopefully govt has planned for such a scenario as the next terror attack can only be delayed and not completely stopped.