Pahalgam Terror Attack: News & Discussion

[drnayar]

Exec Editor of CNNews18 writes,
https://x.com/AmanKayamHai_/status/1914 ... yl-HQ&s=19

Defence Minister Rajnath Singh’s meeting with the Service Chiefs on Pahalgam lasted more than 150 minutes, comprehensive review done and deliberations on response discussed — before the big CCS meeting later today

Service chiefs means Army, Airforce and Navy chiefs.

Is this meeting with the 3 service chiefs exceptional? Does such meetings happen on other routine small scale terror acts or on temporary ceasefire violations by Pakistan?

hope india does a decapitation strike on the pakis .. strike where it hurts the most

[uddu]

Anyway the initiative is not with India for any major military action. May be some surgical strikes are being planned. This govt cannot sit idle without providing a response as that would damage their credibility very badly. I hope the response does not end with firing across LOC, closing the high commission in TSP and a few additional pigs getting pestishahidized in the coming weeks. The time is ripe for some meaningful next step to be taken and hopefully govt has planned for such a scenario as the next terror attack can only be delayed and not completely stopped.

Its better to come out of the "Showing response" mindset and get into "Eliminating problem" mindset. Even if you don't show a response but starts to eliminate the problem, that's better to have for the survival of the Civilizational state.

[Dilbu]

Of course. Here on BRF we know what is the problem and what is needed to take care of it. But sometimes you have to think like a MOD babu to see what will happen. It was a bit of rona-dhona without attracting Ramanaji's attention.

[uddu]

Everyone knows it. Question is can we sort it out once and forever.

[sajaym]

https://x.com/republic/status/191486041 ... U2dlQ&s=19

#BREAKING | Pakistan violates ceasefire in Poonch along LoC, unprovoked firing reported in Tattapani sector

Pakistan is resorting to 'unprovoked' firing WHEREAS we who have lost 28 civilians are sitting quietly. Apparently we are not provoked enough. The simplest plan right now would've been to open fire on all Pakistani posts along the LOC, but NO we have to sit, think, plan and discuss some complicated plan which will become more impossible the more it is discussed. Makes you wonder...if this is our response to a small attack HOW will we respond to a nuclear attack???

[Dilbu]

Are we sure it is TSP who is violating the ceasefire? It is likely that IA has been given a free hand and they will need a reason to respond.

[uddu]

TSP is violating ceasefire for few weeks before trying to infiltrate and was getting retaliated appropriately. There is no reason to think that its not now.

Pak troops cross LoC in J&K’s Poonch; effectively responded, says Indian Army
https://ddnews.gov.in/en/pak-troops-cro ... dian-army/
“The violation took place at 1:10 p.m. on Tuesday, and the Indian troops responded with controlled and calibrated retaliation,” the spokesperson said.

The defence spokesperson did not mention any casualties on the Pakistani side due to the Indian retaliation. However, official sources said five enemy soldiers were injured in the explosion and the subsequent exchange of fire between the two sides.

Lt. Colonel Suneel Bartwal, MoD spokesperson, said in a statement: “On April 1, 2025, a mine blast occurred in the Krishna Ghati sector due to a Pakistan Army intrusion across the LoC. This was followed by unprovoked firing and a ceasefire violation by the Pakistan Army. Our troops responded effectively in a controlled and calibrated manner. The situation is under control and is being closely monitored.”

So far, two of the five terrorists have been gunned down by security forces, while efforts are ongoing to trace and eliminate the remaining three.

Is these three the ones carried out the attack?

[chetak]

Are we sure it is TSP who is violating the ceasefire? It is likely that IA has been given a free hand and they will need a reason to respond.

How does it make any difference, Dilbu ji

They threw the first punch.

they will have to own the consequences, no ....

[Aditya_V]

Yes but forum members expect us to put everything public, sometimes we must hit them but keep quiet.

At some point they will have to squeal, if some Paki generals relatives are in danger, perhaps we can data on the local ecosystem which allowed it Pahalgam to happen.

[Hriday]

How reliable is the X handle Nepal Correspondence? When I searched for the Pak military exercise the Google AI provided the same answer with link from Nepal Correspondence and a Pakistani handle in X. No other related news in Google either. Can somebody suggest a list of reliable handles in X to follow on Indo Pak military situation?
Two posts from Nepal Correspondence given below,
https://x.com/NepCorres/status/19149673 ... nYcoA&s=19

𝐁𝐢𝐠 𝐁𝐫𝐞𝐚𝐤𝐢𝐧𝐠
Sources are hinting that India is internally discussing on Suspending "INDUS WATER TREATY" with #Pakistan.
If implemented, Punjab province of Pakistan will dry in peak summers this year.

𝐏𝐀𝐊 𝐀𝐑𝐌𝐘 𝐔𝐏𝐃𝐀𝐓𝐄
#Pakistan starts Military Exercise at Tilla Range in Jhelum. Corps Commander Lahore Lieutenant General Fayyaz Hussain Shah was present during the exercise.

#PakArmy is pushing for a minor conflict with India to gain its LOST support among citizens.

Remember reading in the forum that Punjab area in Pakistan is the heart of paki military officers. Dried river may not affect the elite directly but population there can turn against military.

[VinodTK]

Canada only G7 nation mum on Pahalgam terror attack that killed 28
As of 8:10 PM IST 4/23/25

[chetak]

Canada only G7 nation mum on Pahalgam terror attack that killed 28
As of 8:10 PM IST 4/23/25

VinodTK ji,


they don't want to piss off their local jihadi cohorts, on whose votes the kanedian govt is dependent


These whiiitye turds (kaneda, nz, aus, among many others) expected us colonials to know our place and keep quiet and submit, while following their orders with a polite "yes massa"


but India not only cast off the ceremonial yoke of the king/queen but also dared to have a president of her own, with a desi flavored constitution to boot, an independent and powerful army, and most disturbingly, a foreign policy of her own, and to the eternal surprise of all goras everywhere, ... a humongously large and thriving economy

these ex colonizers hate us even more than the pakis, if such a thing is even possible

[Ankit Desai]

@ShivAroor

https://x.com/ShivAroor/status/1915069357241282838

Indus Water Treaty to be held in abeyance
All defence staff at Embassy to leave
No SAARC visas for Pak nationals & current visas cancelled
Attari-Wagah border closed

@sneheshphilip

https://x.com/sneheshphilip/status/1915067729402290484

CCS has decided that Indus Water treaty to be in abeyance, Attari to be immediately closed, Pak nationals will not be allowed to travel to India, the DAs in Pak HC declared PNG, overall strength of HC to be down to 30 from 55: Foreign Secretary @VikramMisri

-Ankit

[drnayar]

they need to close the sikh "pilgrimage" corridors as well.

[williams]

Good move so far. But we need more covert or overt action. Kill the generals and their economies, destroy the mullah leadership, destroy their tourism infrastructure and burn the drug farms. Everything should be on the table.

[williams]

How reliable is the X handle Nepal Correspondence? When I searched for the Pak military exercise the Google AI provided the same answer with link from Nepal Correspondence and a Pakistani handle in X. No other related news in Google either. Can somebody suggest a list of reliable handles in X to follow on Indo Pak military situation?
Two posts from Nepal Correspondence given below,
https://x.com/NepCorres/status/19149673 ... nYcoA&s=19

𝐁𝐢𝐠 𝐁𝐫𝐞𝐚𝐤𝐢𝐧𝐠
Sources are hinting that India is internally discussing on Suspending "INDUS WATER TREATY" with #Pakistan.
If implemented, Punjab province of Pakistan will dry in peak summers this year.

𝐏𝐀𝐊 𝐀𝐑𝐌𝐘 𝐔𝐏𝐃𝐀𝐓𝐄
#Pakistan starts Military Exercise at Tilla Range in Jhelum. Corps Commander Lahore Lieutenant General Fayyaz Hussain Shah was present during the exercise.

#PakArmy is pushing for a minor conflict with India to gain its LOST support among citizens.

Remember reading in the forum that Punjab area in Pakistan is the heart of paki military officers. Dried river may not affect the elite directly but population there can turn against military.

Paki Generals own a lot of land so it could hurt them also with the local populace.

[ernest]

Full abrogation of IWT should be on the cards. Let the bhookha nanga awam blame the military for their water woes. They brought this to them.
Anyway, India is a water stressed country, and shouldn't be sending away precious water to terrorists. We should ramp up building dams and other structures that will help us utilize the waters to the best interest of our people, and have control of 100% of the water within the next decade

[Hriday]

Missing the old BRF, was very informative. Now almost everybody in X. But it is a hassle to check a wide variety of X handles. Click the below link to see the Flightradar data screenshot.
https://x.com/Ray70409890/status/191505 ... ul4rg&s=19

RA&W’s Bombardier 5000 is up in the air.

It has a very capable Israeli SAR radar that can create foot resolution images of targets well over 150 km inside Pakistan.

[Amber G.]

Gift to Pakistan: India Freezes Indus water etc .

Major Response!
https://economictimes.indiatimes.com/ne ... 57303.cms?
1. Indus water treaty will be held in abeyance with immediate effect
2. Integrated checkpost Wagah-Attari will be closed with immediate effect
3. Pakistanis in India to return before May 1. Visas cancelled for Pakistanis.
4. No SAARC visas for Pakistani nationals
5. High Commission staff strength reduced to 30.
6.Defence, military, naval, air advisors declared persona non grata

[Amber G.]

^^^
Keep the dates in mind
1 May: Those Pakistanis who came to India via Wagha Attari border
1 week: Pakistani Military Diplomats who are declared Persona non Grata
48 hrs: Pakistani nationals on SAARC visa

[Amber G.]

India will be withdrawing its own Defence/Navy/Air Advisors from the Indian High Commission in Islamabad..

[RCase]

It is time we scrapped this 'responsible, calibrated, proportional response' jalebi language. Time to adopt the 'madman' approach of Trump, where the response is disproportionate and unanticipated. Time to attack the economic engine of the Fauji foundation, DHA plots of the jernails and kernails. Authorize our forces for a 'picnic' trip across the LoC and salami slice POK.

Let the Brahmos fly (accidental misfire onlee)!

[Amber G.]

India will be withdrawing its own Defence/Navy/Air Advisors from the Indian High Commission in Islamabad..

Pakistan Foreign Minister Ishaq Dar: Pakistan Prime Minister Mohammad Shehbaz Sharif has convened the meeting of the National Security Committee on Thursday morning 24th April 2025 to respond to the Indian Government’s statement of this evening...

Modi Government calls all-party meeting tomorrow at 6 PM under the chairmanship of Defence Minister Rajnath Singh..

[Rakesh]

‘All options are on the table’ as India deliberates on response to Pahalgam attack
https://theprint.in/defence/all-options ... e_vignette
23 April 2025

[williams]

It is time we scrapped this 'responsible, calibrated, proportional response' jalebi language. Time to adopt the 'madman' approach of Trump, where the response is disproportionate and unanticipated. Time to attack the economic engine of the Fauji foundation, DHA plots of the jernails and kernails. Authorize our forces for a 'picnic' trip across the LoC and salami slice POK.

Let the Brahmos fly (accidental misfire onlee)!

Yes we need to throw away some old inventory but not announce it. Let them suffer in silence.

[Baikul]

Gift to Pakistan: India Freezes Indus water etc .

Major Response!
https://economictimes.indiatimes.com/ne ... 57303.cms?
1. Indus water treaty will be held in abeyance with immediate effect
2. Integrated checkpost Wagah-Attari will be closed with immediate effect
3. Pakistanis in India to return before May 1. Visas cancelled for Pakistanis.
4. No SAARC visas for Pakistani nationals
5. High Commission staff strength reduced to 30.
6.Defence, military, naval, air advisors declared persona non grata

While it’s fast moving, anyone willing to do a credible first cut impact assessment?

I don’t see much except #1 which theoretically have a significant impact on Pakistan’s water distribution and hence seems a solid move.

[RCase]

Could there be a link of this attack to the Rana trial? Just was wondering if this is a way for Pak Fauj to have a distraction and activate the Sickular cabal in India.

[Amber G.]

Meanwhile there are reports of encounter breaks out between terrorists and security forces in Tangmarg area of Kulgam in South Kashmir.

[Vayutuvan]

Sketches of Pahalgam attack terrorists have been released.:

names are Asif Fauji, Suleman Shah and Abu Talha

Names are more important than sketches. Thanks,

[Amber G.]

Sketches of Pahalgam attack terrorists have been released.:

names are Asif Fauji, Suleman Shah and Abu Talha

Photographs are also released:


Pakistani terrorist Suleman Shah is standing extreme right. Pakistani terrorist Abu Talha is extreme left. Both puppets of coward Asim Munir responsible for the Pahalgam terror attack. One local terrorist Junaid (third person) is already dead in an old encounter.

[RCase]

While it’s fast moving, anyone willing to do a credible first cut impact assessment?

I don’t see much except #1 which theoretically have a significant impact on Pakistan’s water distribution and hence seems a solid move.

I see this as the equivalent to the abrogation of 370. Gives India the ability to permanently dismantle the IWT albatross. Disables the Paki ability to tie down any waterwork projects in India.

[Amber G.]

Taliban Government of Afghanistan condemns the Pahalgam terror attack in Kashmir by the Pakistani terrorists.

[Amber G.]

Documenting India’s Defence Minister Rajnath Singh Statement on Pahalgam Terror Attack:

यहाँ मैं, भारत के दृढ़ संकल्प को दोहराना चाहूँगा, कि terrorism, के ख़िलाफ़ हमारी zero tolerance की policy है। भारत का एक-एक नागरिक, इस कायरतापूर्ण हरकत के ख़िलाफ़ एकजुट है। मैं इस मंच से, देशवासियों को आश्वस्त करता हूँ, कि घटना के मद्देनज़र भारत सरकार हर वो कदम उठाएगी, जो ज़रूरी और उपयुक्त होगा। और हम सिर्फ़ उन्हीं लोगों तक नहीं पहुँचेंगे, जिन्होंने इस घटना को अंजाम दिया हैI हम उन तक भी पहुँचेंगे, जिन्होंने परदे के पीछे बैठकर, हिंदुस्तान की सरजमीं पर ऐसी नापाक हरकतों की साजिशें रची हैं: रक्षा मंत्री

कल पहलगाम में, धर्म को निशाना बनाते हुए, आतंकवादियों द्वारा किए गए कायरतापूर्ण हमले में, हमारे देश ने अनेक निर्दोष नागरिकों को खोया है। इस घोर अमानवीय कृत्य ने, हम सभी को गहरे शोक और दर्द में डुबो दिया है। सबसे पहले मैं, उन सभी परिवारों के प्रति अपनी गहरी संवेदना व्यक्त करता हूँ, जिन्होंने अपने प्रियजनों को खोया है। इस दुखद समय में, दिवंगत आत्माओं की शांति के लिए, मैं ईश्वर से प्रार्थना करता हूँ: रक्षा मंत्री

भारत एक इतनी पुरानी सभ्यता, और इतना बड़ा देश है, जिसको ऐसी किसी भी आतंकी गतिविधियों से डराया नहीं जा सकता। ऐसी हरकतों का जवाब, इसके ज़िम्मेदार लोगों को, आने वाले कुछ ही समय में ज़ोरदार तरीक़े से नज़र आएगा: रक्षा मंत्री

[Amber G.]

[Hriday]

Many people in X are commenting that the abeyance of IWT is like a declaration of all-out war or nuclear strike. They point out that even in the three major wars between India and Pakistan, this treaty was not touched due to its extreme sensitivity. VatsRohit said that Pakistan gets half of its water due to this treaty and the abeyance will cause an earthquake in Pakistan society. But he pointed out that no infrastructure exists to implement the abeyance. In Quora, it is said that building dams to divert the rivers is very expensive.

Citing the above reasons, several people say that now there is no need for a war.

[isubodh]

While it’s fast moving, anyone willing to do a credible first cut impact assessment?

I don’t see much except #1 which theoretically have a significant impact on Pakistan’s water distribution and hence seems a solid move.

I see this as the equivalent to the abrogation of 370. Gives India the ability to permanently dismantle the IWT albatross. Disables the Paki ability to tie down any waterwork projects in India.

Putting treaty on abeyance is one thing and it needs to be supplemented with redirecting of water that flows out of India.
What immediate option we have to stop that flow. Until then it's just a threat.

[madhu]

Many people in X are commenting that the abeyance of IWT is like a declaration of all-out war or nuclear strike. They point out that even in the three major wars between India and Pakistan, this treaty was not touched due to its extreme sensitivity. VatsRohit said that Pakistan gets half of its water due to this treaty and the abeyance will cause an earthquake in Pakistan society. But he pointed out that no infrastructure exists to implement the abeyance. In Quora, it is said that building dams to divert the rivers is very expensive.

Citing the above reasons, several people say that now there is no need for a war.

No nuke... Don't go by X or random people on quora. There is an escalation ladder to climb before nuke.
BTW here is redline for nuke use

The most important of these was given by Lt. Gen. Khalid Kidwai, the first head of the Strategic Plans Division (SPD) which is responsible for stewarding Pakistan’s nuclear assets. In January 2002, Kidwai gave an oft-cited interview in which he outlined the conditions for Pakistani nuclear use:
Nuclear weapons are aimed solely at India. In case that deterrence fails, they will be used if:

(a) India attacks Pakistan and conquers a large part of its territory (space threshold);

(b) India destroys a large part of either its land or air forces (military threshold);

(c) India proceeds to the economic strangling of Pakistan (economic strangling);

(d) India pushes Pakistan into political destabilization or creates a large scale internal subversion in Pakistan (domestic destabilization).

( Nuclear Strategy in the Modern Era  ; Vipin Narang  Loc:1903-1924 )

[SwamyG]

IWT suspension is one step short of war.

[VKumar]

The Wagah circus is thankfully stopped.
Pukistanis are being deported.
Diplomatic relations are curtailed.

All are important steps short of firing bullets.

[Amber G.]

China Foreign Ministry on Pahalgam terror attack: