Pahalgam Terror Attack: News & Discussion

[Hriday]

A good thread in X presenting the Pahalgam terror act aftermath in a chronological order. Worth a look for those who missed interesting events.

https://x.com/avarakai/status/191607330 ... jP4Lw&s=19

27. First major victory for India.

asim munir got scared & has ordered personally to remove his own speech at paxtan militant academy Kakul 24hrs ago from all platforms where it was uploaded.

1/2

No. This was 10 days ago. Yesterday he gave another one, which is removed from all platforms.

28. If Himanta bhai is speaking this, it is right from the top.

BJP's Assam Chief minister Himanta Biswa Sharma talking about the liberation of Balochistan. Link below,
https://x.com/himantabiswa/status/19164 ... jAJeg&s=19

The Balochistan freedom movement traces its roots to the tumultuous events of 1947–1948, when the princely state of Kalat, representing much of what is today Balochistan, sought to maintain its sovereignty after the end of British colonial rule. Despite initial negotiations for autonomy, the region was forcibly annexed by Pakistan in March 1948, sowing deep resentment among the Baloch people.

A retired army person confirmed similar plans.
https://x.com/ajaykraina/status/1916158 ... X7dvA&s=19

Good news confirmed...
Pak is expecting and is likely to deliver a quadruplet, viz, Balochistan, Pashtunistan, Sindhudesh and ***** [aka Punjab].
-Midwives at work.
-Labour pain is on.
-Gestation period anything between 2-3 years.

Papa Bharat is happy

[drnayar]

I hope bharat takes out their submarines and erieyes at the first shot..rest can be dealt with at leisure

What's the range of their ancient diesel subs ?

Yeah erieyes should have been destroyed last decade .

i think two are in the docks right now, easy picking !! ..as for erieyes, a S400 would do.. once the subs are gone, ensure a naval blockade and let the porkis cook a bit

[chetak]

And so it begins, a little foretaste of what is to come


The gloves are off.

the abdoools and ayeshaaas will now know what their paki army and their paki govt did to deserve this


India’s sudden Jhelum water release sparks panic in PoK

A sudden surge in the Jhelum river, allegedly due to India's unnotified water release from the Uri Dam, has triggered chaos in Pakistan-occupied Kashmir. This abrupt discharge led to a water emergency in Hattian Bala, forcing residents to evacuate. Pakistani authorities have condemned the action as a violation of the Indus Waters Treaty, escalating tensions between the two nations.

ISLAMABAD:
Apr 27, 2025,

A sudden surge in the Jhelum river’s water level has thrown Pakistan-occupied Kashmir (PoK) into chaos, as India, local authorities claimed, released water from the Uri Dam without prior warning on Saturday. The abrupt discharge triggered a water emergency in PoK’s Hattian Bala district, forcing residents along the riverbanks to flee to safer ground

https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/wor ... 652831.cms

[nishant.gupta]

Why not fire afew Brahmos at some good juicy targets in POK close to the Porki fatherland? Good optics for the GOI while IWT removal does its magic over next few months and a great publicity for our amazing missile which could get us good export orders as well!

For those who is interested a quick bite on Brahmos information. Multiple DRDO and Brahmos CEOs had commented about the near impossibility of shooting down a Brahmos. From the interview of Brahmos CEO, Sudhir Kumar,
https://www.aeromagasia.com/2021/04/12/ ... aerospace/

BRAHMOS is the deadliest cruise missile in the world today. The entire world is aware of the precision strike capability of this uniquely powerful weapon. BRAHMOS is a stealthy weapon which cannot be intercepted by any modern air defence system, however powerful that may be.

[bala]

Get set, start your engines, prime the weapons, sub kuch ready saab, Indian Navy fires a salvo of Brahmos in the open seas around Karachi area.

Indian Navy showcased its military power by conducting multiple anti-ship missile firings in the Arabian Sea. The warships, including Kolkata-class destroyers and Nilgiri and Krivak-class frigates, performed the missile exercises to demonstrate their readiness and long-range precision offensive strike capabilities. Pakistan has reportedly reacted to these exercises, issuing a notification for firings in the Arabian Sea region.

Indian Navy's Missile Salvo Rattles Paxtan.

youtube.com/watch?v=YzB1meVjK8I

[AdityaM]

India’s sudden Jhelum water release sparks panic in PoK

As per reports the Paki dam on Jhelum was low on water.
This only serves to help them fill the reservoir, doesn't it?
Maybe we want to show anger by closing IWT, but also don't want to make their people beg for water.


One thing this time around, no foreign govt is preaching us to maintain peace, as always happens.
Not that we care for it, but it always happens, and this time it hasn't.
So either the west thinks it's pointless preaching to India, (which they will never stop) or they don't think India is taking action.
Alternatively they want a conflict to be triggered

[vimal]

^^ After what Israel did in ME for over a year with full support of Unkill and Euros, it would seem hypocritical to preach. Also, what value does a bhooka nanga porkistan provide to anyone?

[SRajesh]

Looks like Pakis are desparate for anyone to intervene
DM of the Jihadi Army is now asking Chin and Rus too to begin investigations into Pahalgam massacre!!
Unkil' s unkind words and the ME conflict has gone about has really spooked them!
And no Ummah or Gummah is ready to intervene except the Shiite ones
And looks like they are having a serious problem themselves!!
I think the fear of the unkown is killing the jihadis inspite of their bravado on show in their TV talk shows
Good to see them stew in their juices!!

[SSridhar]

Hamas leaders met Pakistani terror groups in PoK before Pahalgam attack, says Israel envoy - ET

I won't be surprised. Hamas is Muslim Brotherhood. The cooperation between Muslim Brotherhood and Maulana Abu Ala al Mawdudi's Jama'at-e-Islami (JI) go a very long back indeed.

[chetak]

India’s sudden Jhelum water release sparks panic in PoK

As per reports the Paki dam on Jhelum was low on water.
This only serves to help them fill the reservoir, doesn't it?
Maybe we want to show anger by closing IWT, but also don't want to make their people beg for water.


One thing this time around, no foreign govt is preaching us to maintain peace, as always happens.
Not that we care for it, but it always happens, and this time it hasn't.
So either the west thinks it's pointless preaching to India, (which they will never stop) or they don't think India is taking action.
Alternatively they want a conflict to be triggered

AdityaM ji,


India has merely shown the paki porkis what it can do, period.

It's also an expression of intent and BTW, India may have also desilted or flushed out debris that was affecting / reducing it's own dam storage capacity. This flushing, if actually done, would have improved India's own storage capacity of whichever Indian dam is involved

the abdoools and ayeshaaas now know what's waiting for them just round the corner

munir sees his anticipated second term as chief evaporating or his intended coup attempt sink into the turbulent and dark waters of the jhelum, your view depends on which SM handles you favor or follow

the paki army and the civilian govt need to push munir out

All the measures that India has deployed so far hits their bhooka nanga awam directly

the paki awam is as venal as the paki army and the paki govt, if not more rabid than them

Its exactly like the beedi awam, the maldives awam, and the sinhala awam, and the nepalese elites, which are all united in their mindless hatred of India and the Hindus, but all these bhooka nangas line up regularly at langar time with their big katoras, abjectly begging for Hindu India's help and largesse

[Cain Marko]

Going for Pakistani military hardware like see or naval assets is pointless. They'll just beg, borrow them back. China is happy to oblige.

The only way to deter them is by threatening their military and Intel leadership. Those fat generals gotta know that it's their hides that will be at stake. And not just one or two. India needs to take out senior leadership on a decapitating strike on ghq. Getting Hafiz Saeed will be a nice bonus too.

The fallout will stabilize the civilian leadership in Pakistan, which is much more amenable to a more peaceful future. In any case, most Pakistanis today really dislike Munir begum, which is why he's probably orchestrated this to begin with.

[Shameek]

NIA has started investigating the area. Initial estimate is there were close to 15 over ground workers that performed recce and provided real time intelligence on the presence and movement of tourists.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UxXQ1zKC5_E

[drnayar]

Going for Pakistani military hardware like see or naval assets is pointless. They'll just beg, borrow them back. China is happy to oblige.

The only way to deter them is by threatening their military and Intel leadership. Those fat generals gotta know that it's their hides that will be at stake. And not just one or two. India needs to take out senior leadership on a decapitating strike on ghq. Getting Hafiz Saeed will be a nice bonus too.

The fallout will stabilize the civilian leadership in Pakistan, which is much more amenable to a more peaceful future. In any case, most Pakistanis today really dislike Munir begum, which is why he's probably orchestrated this to begin with.

Going after their force multipliers make sense that their retaliation wont mean to anything.. we have to safeguard our own., their begging and borrowing takes time., we will be done with them by then

[RaviB]

Regarding the flooding in Jhelum, from the brown colour of the water, it appears to be drawdown flushing. This is done by filling the reservoir fully and then opening the lower gate of the dam to flush out the sediments that have built up. This also makes sure that the storage of the reservoir doesn't go down due to it filling up with sediment.

This design feature is missing in all older Pakistani dams. Himalayan rivers carry a lot of sediment, so this reduces storage and the reservoirs keep getting filled up. This drawdown flushing has a negative impact.
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/ ... ematic.png


What also happens is that after the reservoir is emptied, it needs to be filled up again. This will reduce flow for at least 10-15 days. This can be done whenever we decide.

Pakistan has always been scared of this feature for this very reason because it works as a weekly tap.

Akhter 2013, p. 25: "The height of sluice spillways was contested because this seemingly mundane design feature has stark geopolitical implications for upstream/downstream dynamics. While sluice spillways improve the economic life of the dam by enabling flushing of silt, they also give the upstream riparian greater capacity to control the flow of water."


Crook 2014, p. 311: "Pakistan saw such flushing as threatening its right to stable and uninterrupted flows, since flows could surge during reservoir flushing and shrink, or even disappear, during refilling."

Geopolitics of Dam Design on the Indus

MAJED AKHTER
Economic and Political Weekly
Vol. 48, No. 19 (MAY 11, 2013), pp. 24-26
https://www.jstor.org/stable/23527337

[Hriday]

Jaidev Jamval is the expert of Pakistan's ORBAT as mentioned by Deans.
https://x.com/JaidevJamwal/status/18845 ... 14Zmw&s=19

A long pending update to Pakistani armed forces map done. The map has some updates for #Pakistani nuclear infrastructure.

Data on website (jjamwal.in/yayavar/pakist…) is still not updated. Will add the rest in some time, probably. google.com/maps/d/edit?mi…
#orbat #osint

[sanjaykumar]

That is what I concluded as well. India does not really need to wait to build diversions and reservoirs.

They can use the dams flush and fill.

[Amber G.]

Meanwhile breaking news: India and France to ink Rafale-M deal on Monday, to formally announce deal for 26 fighter jets

[Amber G.]

On Diplomatic front 'China supports the prompt initiation of an impartial investigation', says Chinese State Media global times on China FM, Pakistan FM talks on Pahalgam terror attack

(China is positioning itself as a “neutral” actor while tactically shielding Pakistan after the Pahalgam terror attack. By calling for an “impartial investigation,” China seeks to slow India’s diplomatic response, delay blame attribution, and reframe the incident away from Pakistani culpability.)

[sanjaykumar]

Certainly. But just after an impartial and independent investigation into Tibet eastern Turkestan and Mongolia.

[madhu]

As per reports the Paki dam on Jhelum was low on water.
This only serves to help them fill the reservoir, doesn't it?
Maybe we want to show anger by closing IWT, but also don't want to make their people beg for water.

What if we have done Reservoir flushing to remove accumulated sediments from a reservoir or dam. This will push sediments to Paki dam reducing there capacity and increasing our dam capacity.

[chetak]

As per reports the Paki dam on Jhelum was low on water.
This only serves to help them fill the reservoir, doesn't it?
Maybe we want to show anger by closing IWT, but also don't want to make their people beg for water.

What if we have done Reservoir flushing to remove accumulated sediments from a reservoir or dam. This will push sediments to Paki dam reducing there capacity and increasing our dam capacity.

madhu ji,


It has also caused considerable damage to crops and buildings

They may have excess water for the moment bur no water for the next ten odd days (give or take) because that's how long it may take for our dam to fill up. Until then no water to the pakis

very quick action from the GoI's side. One small stone and many mangoes have fallen

the water was opened without cautioning or even prior warning / notice

and therein lies the true message which the pakis would have well understood even as it was happening in real time

[Roop]

It's intriguing that everyday one or the other US dept keeps condemning Pahalgam terror attack and extends support to India. It's unusual isn't it?

It certainly is unusual. And if you compare / contrast it with "traditional" American behaviour in this matter (siding with Pakistan against India), it is almost unbelievable. Nevertheless, it is true. I have a conspiracy theory about this (why America, and in fact, Israel as well, are so gung-ho about encouraging India to bash Pakistan).

My theory is that there is a secret agreement among India, Israel and the US (with tacit approval of Russia) to break off Baluchistan from Pakistan and expel the Chinese from Gwadar. Under my theory, either the USN or IN would take over Gwadar and establish a naval base there. Both Afghanistan and the new state of Baluchistan would be quite content to see India take control of Gwadar. So would various other states like Russia, Israel, UAE, Oman and Saudi Arabia. A direct road / rail connection from Gwadar to Afghanistan would then be relatively simple to establish.

That is my theory, FWIW.

P.S. (added later) IMO many other maritime powers (like France, Australia, Japan) would be quite happy to see the PLAN expelled from Gwadar and the IN take its place. Possibly the EU as well, but it's hard to tell for sure with them, they are such an unpredictable bunch of duffers.

[gakakkad]

India bashing porkies is a win win for a lot of people .

Israel wins because now India will be compelled to recognize ham-ass as terrorist organization given their links with this. India was so far avoiding doing that because they didn't want to paint a bullseye on our Musharraf by naming an enemy .

US wins because it would cause damage to PRC infra and final nail in coffin or CPEC - belt road .

Iran wins or loses depends upon how Balochistan pans out.

GCC countriies mostly win because it would be a big blow to Muslim brotherhood .

Honestly it would depend upon how it pans out . I sure hope we don't get sucked in to this like the Russians did in Ukraine or like how Israel got sucked in Lebanon in 2004 etc . If that happens China would also sort of win and India would be the only loser .

Best realistic case is eradication of war fighting ability of tsp and further chaos in KP and Balochistan leaving them vulnerable to telebunnies and BLA.

[Amber G.]

Per this tweet:

Mass resignations are being reported in Pakistan Army as morale is at its lowest under Asim Munir’s leadership..

.

[gakakkad]

^ wow!! Salwar soiling even before the first Brahmos lands their

[RCase]

^^^
Forget about morale. It is an admission by Pak Fauj of involvement - 'The incident done by our Mujahideens ....'
Why is there even a need for a 'neutral investigation'?

[nachiket]

Mass resignations are being reported in Pakistan Army as morale is at its lowest under Asim Munir’s leadership...

Amber G please post a link to the tweet where you got the image from. Also it seems to be fake. Zindabad/Jindabad spelled as Jinabad, signature looks to be photoshopped in.
Edit: DG ISPR is currently Ahmed Sharif Chaudhry so that seems wrong as well

[williams]

The more and more I start thinking about it, it sounds like the IWT suspension is such a brilliant move that should have been done long time back. It sounds like a diplomatic move, but it is a massive military threat as equal to nuclear annihilation, done is a way that the liberal jihadi loving world might not understand the nuances and therefore it is more palatable to them. That means internally Paki elite (Military and Feudal leadership) are shivering through their spine even though their liberal friends don't understand its deep implications.

There is going to be cracking fault lines as we keep de-silting, playing with the sluice gates and as we start channeling the water away from them. At some point we should be able to exploit those fault lines to divide the Paki land. In the mean time we can let our media scream and social media warrior name and shame the Paki thugs. Now we can drop a few scalps on some terrorist camp, test our new artillery on their company and brigade HQs and build up a lot of troops on the mountains ready to descend on the moments notice. We need to take GB area and either control or permanently destroy the Chinese built the KH at some point.

[RCase]

My contention is that there will be no permanent peace till the hydra head (TSPA) is sliced off. Even giving a resounding thappad now is just kicking the can down the road. 1971 was supposed to be a resounding thappad. But the Paki phoenix arose again with a brainwashed (TSPA version) history to be back with its antics and atim bum threats by the awam at the drop of a hat.

In my opinion, the permanent solution lies in complete annihilation of TSPA (no more armed forces and expensive toys), only police force. The second aspect is the de-radicalization and neutering of the awam. This is an uphill task, but is necessary to ensure lasting peace. Maybe we should enforce a Chinese model of re-education that the future generations of TSP will be outdoing Gandhi in ahimsa and non-violence. I think this is doable. Pakjabi history has been of empty bluster and utter capitulation when rubber hits the road.

[Amber G.]

Mass resignations are being reported in Pakistan Army as morale is at its lowest under Asim Munir’s leadership...

Amber G please post a link to the tweet where you got the image from. Also it seems to be fake. Zindabad/Jindabad spelled as Jinabad, signature looks to be photoshopped in.
Edit: DG ISPR is currently Ahmed Sharif Chaudhry so that seems wrong as well

The tweet is from Aditya Raj Kaul (Executive Editor TV9 Network) - will edit the original post. Thx.

(PS. Agree with you, it seems to be fake).

[A_Gupta]

Deradicalization of Pakistan aawaam is a multigenerational project. Perhaps the Chinese are best equipped to do it as they are doing with the Uighurs - those methods are unconstitutional in India.

Notice that Ataturk tried it with Turkey with mixed and less than permanent results.

The more realistic goal is for India to have the ability, means and will to disrupt the people of that area - whether it is Pakistan or other - if they perpetrate jihadi acts.

— whoever undertakes to deradicalize Pakistan or it successor states has to provide schools for the 40+% of children not in schools, change all of the school curricula, strongly regulate madrassas, and revive pride in the native languages and traditions. Ghar Waapsi is a remote possibly after that. See, even the immense pride Banglas had in their culture succumbs to Islamic radicalism.

There is no easy answer.

[Rakesh]

They always choose the best time for them to strike (i.e. when they are stable and/or prosperous). We are always left having to respond in the aftermath.

And don't forget the snakes in our own country who use the slogan that a stable Pakistan is in India's interest.

[nachiket]

They always choose the best time for them to strike (i.e. when they are stable and/or prosperous). We are always left having to respond in the aftermath.

And don't forget the snakes in our own country who use the slogan that a stable Pakistan is in India's interest.

Exactly why I used that term. But anyway usual suspects in the media peddling that nonsense did not stop Modi or any previous PM. They could have taken the decision if they wanted to and ignored those nitwits but they didn't because they themselves did not believe in being the first to strike and lose the moral high ground.

[RCase]

They always choose the best time for them to strike (i.e. when they are stable and/or prosperous). We are always left having to respond in the aftermath.

And don't forget the snakes in our own country who use the slogan that a stable Pakistan is in India's interest.

Make mandatory re-education in Chanakya neeti for these snakes!

[vimal]

People still think about de-radicalization of Pakistan? I need whatever you are smoking buddy

[gakakkad]

^ the only good pakee is a dead pakee.

[Primus]

Deradicalization of Pakistan aawaam is a multigenerational project. Perhaps the Chinese are best equipped to do it as they are doing with the Uighurs - those methods are unconstitutional in India.

Notice that Ataturk tried it with Turkey with mixed and less than permanent results.

The more realistic goal is for India to have the ability, means and will to disrupt the people of that area - whether it is Pakistan or other - if they perpetrate jihadi acts.

— whoever undertakes to deradicalize Pakistan or it successor states has to provide schools for the 40+% of children not in schools, change all of the school curricula, strongly regulate madrassas, and revive pride in the native languages and traditions. Ghar Waapsi is a remote possibly after that. See, even the immense pride Banglas had in their culture succumbs to Islamic radicalism.

There is no easy answer.

It is definitely not an easy answer. Forget Pakistan, my worry is about the snakes in India. AFAIK, Kashmir, given its population, has received much more money from the government than any other state in the country. And yet, these people want even more and are arrogant about it. 'Kar lo kya kar lo ge' type.

It was very disheartening to watch this brave reporter's attempts to discuss the topic with angry Kashmiris, doubt there were any Hindus among them. It is heavily edited, wish the entire, uncut video had been posted. However, the anger and hostility not just towards India/Hindus but also the reporter is palpable. Watch the arrogance of the guy in the suit. what a difference between this woman and Barking Mutt who became famous on the blood of Hindus.

I fear there is no good long term solution to the Kashmir problem short of a real demographic change, which will require a dozen Yogis and Himantas.

[A_Gupta]

I think that PM Modi by his actions over the past ten years has made credible the promise that "have whatever politics you want, India promises peace and prosperity with dignity** -- you grow with a growing India - as long as you don't support Breaking India Forces". If that is not clear, it needs to be made clear. Perhaps the negative that happen to you if you support Breaking India has not been made clear enough.

IMO, this holds for India's neighbors too, especially Bangladesh.

**, i.e., not at all the "peace and prosperity" that the Tibetans or Uighurs "enjoy".

--
My perspective is very much shaped by the 2024 elections. During that campaign, all kinds of invective and rhetoric was used; but to my knowledge no one in the opposition to the NDA made claims that there was discrimination in any of the many developmental programs that PM Modi instituted. People who no one would ever expect to vote for the NDA in their fondest dreams got benefits of these programs. So the demand on everyone is very simple - have whatever politics, but do not support breaking India forces.

[Rakesh]

Barring one or maybe two, none of India’s neighbours want to grow with India.

A powerful and resurgent India is a threat to their own existence.

[A_Gupta]

Also - MBS in Saudi Arabia is attempting a deradicalization - yet to be seen how durable it is. I suspect one economic shock or one assassination can end it.

@Rakesh:
> A powerful and resurgent India is a threat to their own existence.

They are stuck in a zero-sum mindset, or pre-WW2 mindset. They should be thinking more like the smaller countries in the European Union.

Added - IMO, credibility on "have whatever politics you want, etc.," is important for reintegrating the Pak-occupied areas of Kashmir.