Pahalgam Terror Attack: News & Discussion

[RCase]

I think Modiji has only shown the carrot to KMs and hoped to win hearts and minds. While that might work for a few, you need the Yogi ji style stick to supplement that to get compliance. There will be a few stragglers that don't wake up and smell the coffee. For those types, there is always some remote ANC island that they can be shipped off to; far away from the cool climes and mountains of Kashmir to idyllic deserted shores, scrapping for food and fending off mosquitos.

Yogi ji has just demonstrated how a lawless state like UP started behaving. Gangster problems have come down and even the Ms have drastically reduced their bad behavior.

[vera_k]

Barring one or maybe two, none of India’s neighbours want to grow with India.

A powerful and resurgent India is a threat to their own existence.

Both political and religious aspects to this.

Political one is easier to tackle since plenty of examples exist of nations staying independent and allowed to evolve their own political future even if under the shadow of a larger power.

Religious angle is tricker. Since they fear turning into the Borg. Due to Hinduism's adaptive and assimilative nature. Perhaps this will get easier as people explicitly identifying as following Hinduism declines over the years. No quick fix for this.

[A_Gupta]

45-Year-Old Social Activist Shot Dead By Terrorists In J-K's Kupwara
https://www.news18.com/india/45-year-ol ... 14783.html

A 45-year-old social activist has been killed after being shot at by suspected terrorists in Jammu and Kashmir’s Kupwara district, officials said on Sunday.

The terrorists fired at Ghulam Rasool Magray inside his residence at Kandi Khas late on Saturday, the officials said.

[pravula]

Pak is supplying a lot of 155mm shells to UKR. Any hot border/war will reduce/eliminate those channels. Given that, I do not think US/EU will be happy about this

[chetak]

This was a WA forward, TIFWIW, but also understand and appreciate that Modi ji has not been sitting idly for all these years

How the Modi govt has been planning and devising various ways to stop water flowing to pakistan under the Indus water treaty (IWT)


Since Indus Water decision was taken yesterday by Modi ji, to stop water, many experts who have generally been sleeping since last 10 years, have started jumping about and asking how will this happen, that it's all an eye wash, and many years of work is required to change the river's course, build more dams, arrange the diversion of water etc that are necessary and will take years to build, one even said that Govt should put huge pumps to empty rivers. Some so-called strategic experts sarcastically asked "what was Modi doing for the past 8 years", and that he should have done all this long back and but has wasted a lot of time!

We only pity these educated headless, and brainless idiots who only wake up when the media starts to shout while making and pushing their headlines for the TRPs.

Let us understand what the Modi Govt has done in the last 10 years for taking any required action at any time, including right now

IWT was a blunder by the then PM Nehru in 50s when he signed this IWT agreement with pakistan and gave away 84% of the water flowing in the Indus system to pakistan, and deliberately depriving our fertile lands in the Indian punjab of the much needed water for our own vital irrigation requirements.

Modi ji knows this blunder needs to be corrected, and after URI attack, he said, "Water and blood can't flow together"

So in the last 10 years, while we all were sitting on the Nuclear button fear advised by the pro pakistani farooq abdulla.

Modi govt. was doing the groundwork and its full execution to choke pakistan by diverting the water to Indian rivers after generating hydro electric power ( HEP) and was already busy working on it. These measures are now ready at right time to give a savage blow to the pakistanis and the ISI, about what water means to a nation's survival.


Kishanganga HEP ( hydro electric power) on tributary of Jhelum water is ready for diversion via a 23 km tunnel in 2018 itself.

Ratle HEP (on Chenab) was already revived in 2021.

Tulbul Navigation Project (on Jhelum) was revived in 2016 & ready to regulate flow.

Work on Shahpurkandi Dam (on Ravi) is already in progress since 2018 to block surplus water from flowing into Pakistan.

Ujh Multipurpose Project (tributary of Ravi) has been in progress since 2020 to stop water flow into Pakistan.

Experts who have been to all 5 locations a few years back have already said publicly about what Bharat is up to....

Summers are getting hotter by day.

"In one month, Pakistan will have no water for farms, and the major hit will be in the sindh and in the paki punjab. 90% of Pakistan's food production depends on this water, and also comes from these areas

Bharat can choke pakistan without rockets, bombs. pakistan has no foreign exchange reserves to sustain a war with India. Their economy is in doldrums. There is no FDI in sight as no one wants to invest in pakistan which has shortage of power issues, and an ongoing civil war in mineral rich balochistan. china's hands are tight after billions of dollars was wasted on CPEC and gwadar and now the chinese are in the midst of a tariff war with the US.

pakistan has suddenly realised how deadly the water war is going to be for them. No wonder the pakistanis are calling the Indian action of holding the IWT in abeyance as an act of war.

Let us wait to see pakistani fire first salvo or undertake a pre-emptive strike. I am sure, all hell will break loose on paki soil.

[Dilbu]

TOI is quoting Goa CM Pramod Sawant. I think this is the first time such a high ranking Indian politician has openly talked about creating a new nation out of Balochistan. This is certainly a message approved by GoI.
Pakistan on the verge of split, Baluchistan will be a new nation

[suryag]

Rumors will be deleted, please dont post useless things

[Amber G.]

A quote From Reuters story:
World Bank spokesperson said it was a "signatory to the treaty for a limited set of defined tasks" and that it does "not opine on treaty-related sovereign decisions taken by its member countrie

[Amber G.]

Overnight ceasefire violation by Pakistan continues

Indian Army:
"During the night of 27-28 April 2025, Pakistan Army posts initiated unprovoked small arms fire across LoC in areas opposite Kupwara & Poonch districts. Indian troops responded swiftly and effectively"

[SSridhar]

Like the IWT, we must shut down the UNMOGIP at least on our side.

[Dilbu]

Clear fields along border in next 48 hrs, BSF tells farmers after Pahalgam attack

The Border Security Force (BSF) on Saturday issued an urgent directive to farmers along the India-Pakistan border to complete harvesting and clear their fields within 48 hours, as tensions escalate following the Pahalgam terror attack that killed 26 tourists last week. The heightened security measure affects thousands of farmers with agricultural land situated in the sensitive zone between the border fence and the zero line—a unique challenge for Punjab’s border communities who cultivate approximately 45,000 acres across the 530-kilometre international boundary.

Village gurdwaras across Amritsar, Tarn Taran, Ferozepur, and Fazilka districts broadcast announcements warning farmers that access gates to these forward areas would soon be closed, potentially cutting off access to their lands indefinitely if the situation deteriorates further.

[SSridhar]

A quote From Reuters story:
World Bank spokesperson said it was a "signatory to the treaty for a limited set of defined tasks" and that it does "not opine on treaty-related sovereign decisions taken by its member countrie

Yes, that understanding by the spokesperson of the WB is correct. The WB played a significant role during the award, and then the Transition period as most transactions took place through them. After that, the WB has no role to play except in the appointment of NE and CoA. They have messed it up big time in the recent issue. In any case, the 'abeyance' issue is well beyond WB's pay-grade as per the IWT.

In Article XII, appropriately termed 'Final Provisions', IBRD has said that all further management of the Treaty, such as modifications or a new treaty, rests between the two governments. They have washed their hands off and have no further role to play in the exigent circumstance.

[chetak]

Pahalgam Terror Attack: Pakistani nationals who overstay in India can face 3 years in jail, ₹3 lakh fine


https://www.hindustantimes.com/india-ne ... 66137.html

Pakistani nationals on short-term visas who fail to leave India within the stipulated deadline are liable to be arrested, prosecuted and face penalties of three years in jail and a ₹3 lakh fine.

​Under Section 23 of the Immigration and Foreigners Bill, 2025, foreign nationals who overstay their visa, violate visa conditions, or enter restricted areas in India face imprisonment up to 3 years, or a fine of a maximum ₹3 lakh or both.

[partha]

A quote From Reuters story:
World Bank spokesperson said it was a "signatory to the treaty for a limited set of defined tasks" and that it does "not opine on treaty-related sovereign decisions taken by its member countrie

Yes, that understanding by the spokesperson of the WB is correct. The WB played a significant role during the award, and then the Transition period as most transactions took place through them. After that, the WB has no role to play except in the appointment of NE and CoA. They have messed it up big time in the recent issue. In any case, the 'abeyance' issue is well beyond WB's pay-grade as per the IWT.

In Article XII, appropriately termed 'Final Provisions', IBRD has said that all further management of the Treaty, such as modifications or a new treaty, rests between the two governments. They have washed their hands off and have no further role to play in the exigent circumstance.

If suspending IWT was so straightforward I have to wonder why it was done post 26/11. 26/11 is still the worst terror attack on India by Pakistan and it was an open and shut case as far as Pakistan's involvement is concerned. Forget IWT suspension, what did we do post 26/11? Nothing. A month later Aman ki Asha splashed on the front pages of Indian newspapers. Makes me want to puke.

[madhu]

Pahalgam Terror Attack: Pakistani nationals who overstay in India can face 3 years in jail, ₹3 lakh fine

no... no need of money and holding them for 3 yrs. all we need to say is openly telling we will put them in Indian version of Guantanamo Bay detention camp and trate the same way as US use to do.
i am sure US will not mind, Trump will be happy too.
we need to hit them where it hurts a lot.

[sanjayc]

If suspending IWT was so straightforward I have to wonder why it was done post 26/11. 26/11 is still the worst terror attack on India by Pakistan and it was an open and shut case as far as Pakistan's involvement is concerned. Forget IWT suspension, what did we do post 26/11? Nothing. A month later Aman ki Asha splashed on the front pages of Indian newspapers. Makes me want to puke.

Removing article 370 was straightforward too. See how easily it was done. But for Congress governments, it was as if an act written by God for eternity that couldn't be removed by ordinary mortals.

[williams]

If suspending IWT was so straightforward I have to wonder why it was done post 26/11. 26/11 is still the worst terror attack on India by Pakistan and it was an open and shut case as far as Pakistan's involvement is concerned. Forget IWT suspension, what did we do post 26/11? Nothing. A month later Aman ki Asha splashed on the front pages of Indian newspapers. Makes me want to puke.

Removing article 370 was straightforward too. See how easily it was done. But for Congress governments, it was as if an act written by God for eternity that couldn't be removed by ordinary mortals.

You see, most domesticated elephants are used to the little chain they use to keep them secure when they were babies. They think they cannot breach it even though they could simply break the chain now that they have grown up. Pakis and a whole lot of other stuff we have got institutionalized by the Brits and Nehru cha cha are those chains.

[madhu]

so as per pak bank the foreign reserves are around 14B (source SBP). the split up is NET RESERVES WITH SBP = 9,389.6MUSD
NET RESERVES WITH BANKS = 4,606.6 MUSD
TOTAL LIQUID FX RESERVES =13,996.2 MUSD
so far we have hit them on water not economically. i know IWT will hit them economically but after 1 to 2 yrs (assuming this is long term). we need to make sure we hit them economically in short term also before starting of the war.

[A Deshmukh]

toorky is supplying (6 plane loads so far) TSP with drones.
We need to have different types of anti-drones solutions in place asap.

[williams]

so as per pak bank the foreign reserves are around 14B (source SBP). the split up is NET RESERVES WITH SBP = 9,389.6MUSD
NET RESERVES WITH BANKS = 4,606.6 MUSD
TOTAL LIQUID FX RESERVES =13,996.2 MUSD
so far we have hit them on water not economically. i know IWT will hit them economically but after 1 to 2 yrs (assuming this is long term). we need to make sure we hit them economically in short term also before starting of the war.

Honestly, it will not matter to them. Now if you can hit their elite's finances that might work, but that is a long shot since most of their financial assets are held in US, UK or the middle east. Regarding IWT, we have enough leverage for the fun to start killing their agriculture almost immediately.

[RCase]

so as per pak bank the foreign reserves are around 14B (source SBP). the split up is NET RESERVES WITH SBP = 9,389.6MUSD
NET RESERVES WITH BANKS = 4,606.6 MUSD
TOTAL LIQUID FX RESERVES =13,996.2 MUSD
so far we have hit them on water not economically. i know IWT will hit them economically but after 1 to 2 yrs (assuming this is long term). we need to make sure we hit them economically in short term also before starting of the war.

Honestly, it will not matter to them. Now if you can hit their elite's finances that might work, but that is a long shot since most of their financial assets are held in US, UK or the middle east. Regarding IWT, we have enough leverage for the fun to start killing their agriculture almost immediately.

The $9 - $14 B is not much. Economically strangle them by making them spend on increased sorties and mobilization of forces. Choke the fuel smuggling from Iran. Maybe provide 'strategic intelligence' to BLA.

RAA should have the list of the elite's assets in the UK, Kanneda and Middle East. Never know, there could be high-vacuum bulbs installed in those mansions. Same bulbs can be supplied to the DHA housing societies owned by the Fauji elite. The Fauji foundation industries should particularly be targeted. Maybe mango crates for the execs! The 'tip jar' for collection of funds for the LeT should also be exploited like the golden pagers.

[partha]

https://x.com/MeghUpdates/status/1916728872261030267

BIG MEETING! Defence Minister Rajnath Singh arrives at PM Modi’s residence — second meeting in 24 hours.
— CDS Gen Anil Chauhan & NSA Ajit Doval also attending.
— Army Chief met Rajnath Singh earlier.
— CDS oversees Army, Navy, and Air Force.

Many signals to conclude a major military response is on the cards but there is also an NYT report today which quotes a couple of western diplomats who were briefed by GoI which gives an impression that India is still trying to make a case against Pakistan. I just hope GoI is playing a game by intentionally sending confusing signals and that there is a solid plan for retribution.

[chetak]

Yes, that understanding by the spokesperson of the WB is correct. The WB played a significant role during the award, and then the Transition period as most transactions took place through them. After that, the WB has no role to play except in the appointment of NE and CoA. They have messed it up big time in the recent issue. In any case, the 'abeyance' issue is well beyond WB's pay-grade as per the IWT.

In Article XII, appropriately termed 'Final Provisions', IBRD has said that all further management of the Treaty, such as modifications or a new treaty, rests between the two governments. They have washed their hands off and have no further role to play in the exigent circumstance.

If suspending IWT was so straightforward I have to wonder why it was done post 26/11. 26/11 is still the worst terror attack on India by Pakistan and it was an open and shut case as far as Pakistan's involvement is concerned. Forget IWT suspension, what did we do post 26/11? Nothing. A month later Aman ki Asha splashed on the front pages of Indian newspapers. Makes me want to puke.

partha ji,


It all goes back to one word, and that is "testimonials" and the evil influence of the BIF that was brought to bear on the GoI by the mafia family and how it killed any last vestige of the idea of retaliation that may have reared its head


This time around, both the mafia family, and the BIF have been marginalized and completely sidelined


Even the fact that amriki citizens were killed didn't seem to matter to anyone, especially the amrikis themselves and there were presstitutes like buddhi butt and some others, who openly batted for the terrorists on live teevee, guiding them, pinpointing targets and live streaming security operations in real time


but the yehudis never forgot nor forgave the attack on the chabad house

[Sumeet]

India should use this opportunity to declare Pakistan state sponsor of terrorism. I can't think of any reason why India does not do that now.

[Dilbu]

In recent times TSP went through their most difficult phase financially when they were on FATF grey list. Our efforts should be towards getting them back on that list. That would be more effective than India declaring them a terrorist state.

[Arima]

https://x.com/MeghUpdates/status/1916728872261030267

BIG MEETING! Defence Minister Rajnath Singh arrives at PM Modi’s residence — second meeting in 24 hours.
— CDS Gen Anil Chauhan & NSA Ajit Doval also attending.
— Army Chief met Rajnath Singh earlier.
— CDS oversees Army, Navy, and Air Force.

Many signals to conclude a major military response is on the cards but there is also an NYT report today which quotes a couple of western diplomats who were briefed by GoI which gives an impression that India is still trying to make a case against Pakistan. I just hope GoI is playing a game by intentionally sending confusing signals and that there is a solid plan for retribution.

no more Dossier Business or foreign Delegation trying to cool tempers. we saw same during Operation Parakram and 26/11.
26/11 was Cong Mounmohan choosing not to respond when country expected it to act.
enough is enough and time for action is now.

[RaviB]

Honestly, it will not matter to them. Now if you can hit their elite's finances that might work, but that is a long shot since most of their financial assets are held in US, UK or the middle east. Regarding IWT, we have enough leverage for the fun to start killing their agriculture almost immediately.

The $9 - $14 B is not much. Economically strangle them by making them spend on increased sorties and mobilization of forces. Choke the fuel smuggling from Iran. Maybe provide 'strategic intelligence' to BLA.

RAA should have the list of the elite's assets in the UK, Kanneda and Middle East. Never know, there could be high-vacuum bulbs installed in those mansions. Same bulbs can be supplied to the DHA housing societies owned by the Fauji elite. The Fauji foundation industries should particularly be targeted. Maybe mango crates for the execs! The 'tip jar' for collection of funds for the LeT should also be exploited like the golden pagers.

The money of the jarnails and others usually moves through hawala networks. Can't we give exploding mangoes to the operators? Or cooperate with western countries to disrupt these networks for terror financing? This will also hurt the Pakistani Abduls abroad who send back money through hawala.

This will be a direct kick to the fat stomachs of jarnails and create a lot of rancor also in the Imran-pasand non-resident Paki public.

[Deans]

This should be the time to review Agnipath. The army is short of recruits. Boys from traditional military families are not joining.
Gurkha recruitment in Nepal has stopped.

Sir Jee, The shortage is due to COVID and no recruitment for 2 years, it will catchup soon.

We did lose 2 years of recruitment due to covid.
However, Agnipath recruitment started (after covid) with lower than the number required to fill annual vacancies of retiring jawans, let
alone make up the shortfall.
If we have 1.3 million men serving for an average of 20 years, we have to recruit 65000 per year.
Under Agnipath, when 75% will serve for 4 years and 25% for 25 years, we have to recruit 140,000 per year.
Our recruitment in the last 2 years has been under 50,000 each.
The problem is worst in the infantry where boys from traditional military communities are not applying to join. Those applying from
non traditional areas have a low pass rate in physical fitness.
I mentioned a 100,000 shortage, as per Gen Bakshi, its more like 150,000.

[sanjayc]

Someone aligned with Agniveer scheme told me last week that recruitment every year now is over a lakh of soldiers.

I believe that the duration of Agniveer should be extended to 6 years, so that youth get at least 20 lakhs in hand at end of service. Agniveer is a good option not only to give military training to Indian youth from rural / semi-urban families, but also empower them with wealth transfer. A 20L in hands of a young 25 year old boy can take care of lot of family obligations, or help him start a business or buy a shop, etc.

[Deans]

India should use this opportunity to declare Pakistan state sponsor of terrorism. I can't think of any reason why India does not do that now.

India should declare as war criminals all those who during the Kargil war had knowledge of the torture and murder of our troops. (It should have included Gen Musharraf at the time). Announce a reward for them dead or alive.
Then include all those army units or officers who have facilitated terrorist acts against India.
This will include the ISI, Corps commander X corps and his div Commanders etc.
Unknown gunmen can target their families, who may be killed `by mistake'.
There are Western precedents for this (Bosnia war, Rwanda and Ukraine).

[nachiket]

If suspending IWT was so straightforward I have to wonder why it was done post 26/11. 26/11 is still the worst terror attack on India by Pakistan and it was an open and shut case as far as Pakistan's involvement is concerned. Forget IWT suspension, what did we do post 26/11? Nothing. A month later Aman ki Asha splashed on the front pages of Indian newspapers. Makes me want to puke.

It would have saved us a lot of legal haggling and delays in the Baglihar and Kishenganga projects too. I would go even further back and ask why we did not suspend it after Kargil itself? That was a straight up invasion and capture of Indian territory.

[SRajesh]

Nachiketji
Pure and simple
Check who was EAM 1999 to 2004 : Jaswant and Yashwant both sold us down the river.
Defence was : George
Regardless of Shri Atalji's tolerance and Abhorrence to violence, None of the the above mentioned guys are War-time Consigliere's
Not street smart and no spine (sorry to say this)
EAM got some breathing space when Smt Swaraj made an entrance

[williams]

Nachiketji
Pure and simple
Check who was EAM 1999 to 2004 : Jaswant and Yashwant both sold us down the river.
Defence was : George
Regardless of Shri Atalji's tolerance and Abhorrence to violence, None of the the above mentioned guys are War-time Consigliere's
Not street smart and no spine (sorry to say this)
EAM got some breathing space when Smt Swaraj made an entrance

Also remember we were under US sanctions and Pakis were still considered darling of the west. They never had the diplomatic space like today,

[Rakesh]

A hidden Chinese Huawei phone surfaces in Pahalgam attack probe. Here’s what we know
https://www.businesstoday.in/technology ... 2025-04-28
28 April 2025

[Rakesh]

SO TRUE!

https://x.com/bsdhanoa/status/1916864187352973525 ----> Historically, Pakistan’s generals have given little thought to long term strategic outcomes of their decisions to launch wars, while the Indian side has been weighed down in decision making due to overthinking the “what if” scenarios of engaging in armed conflict.

[nachiket]

Nachiketji
Pure and simple
Check who was EAM 1999 to 2004 : Jaswant and Yashwant both sold us down the river.
Defence was : George
Regardless of Shri Atalji's tolerance and Abhorrence to violence, None of the the above mentioned guys are War-time Consigliere's
Not street smart and no spine (sorry to say this)
EAM got some breathing space when Smt Swaraj made an entrance

The buck always stops with the PM. He chose all of them and he could have overruled them had he wanted to.

Also remember we were under US sanctions and Pakis were still considered darling of the west. They never had the diplomatic space like today,

We fully mobilized the military and nearly started an all-out war which might have gone nuclear after the Parliament attack. But we didn't have diplomatic space for IWT abrogation? And Pakistan wasn't exactly a darling after they pulled Kargil which Nawaz sharif found out when he went to meet Clinton.

There are no reports from back then about the govt. even considering doing anything with the IWT. I doubt it was even spoken of. I don't like to make excuses for anyone. If there were mistakes made in the past it is important to clearly call them out as mistakes. Only then can we correct them or avoid them in the future. PM Modi has finally corrected one of them which is excellent.

[Cyrano]

SO TRUE!

https://x.com/bsdhanoa/status/1916864187352973525 ----> Historically, Pakistan’s generals have given little thought to long term strategic outcomes of their decisions to launch wars, while the Indian side has been weighed down in decision making due to overthinking the “what if” scenarios of engaging in armed conflict.

Because one side believes it's accountable to the elected govt and the people it defends. The other side has no such considerations.

These kind of posts start nearing the RR caution on the top of this thread.

[bala]

I have suspected the China hand in Pahalgam massacre by the Pukes of innocent tourists in Kashmir. In this YT Lt. Gen P R Shankar with Sree Iyer of PGurus lays out some facts.

Did China Make Pakistan Do Pahalgam?

youtube.com/watch?v=e3RMak0IiZ4

[dinesh_kimar]

Regarding the IWT during 2002, the then PM, Shri ABV had "silenced the Hawks" regarding its suspension as it will result in a " negative image of India's International Image and stature".

This is a link i found:https://m.rediff.com/news/2002/may/28war18.htm

Perhaps it was a pov highly valued in those times.

The man may be criticised looking at today's crisis , but he did test the Nukes, operationalised Agni missiles, inducted Su-30, Brahmos and negotiated Akula Submarine lease ( The Week's R.Prasanna spoke to a beaming George Fernandes and asked him wat it was? Maybe a new Nuclear submarine??).

[VKumar]

We should discuss the support that Turkey is giving to Pakistan. In the past too, Turkey has assisted Pakistan with weapons.
I am ignoring Azerbaijan for the moment but they are equally hostile to India.

On the other hand, Indians watch Turkish TV serials, import Turkish products and food, holiday in Turkey, fly Turkish airlines, celebrate weddings in Turkey. Even rich educated Indians have no idea about Tukey's hostility towards India and their attitude towards kurds.

Similarly Indians are flocking to Azerbaijan as they get visa on arrival and it is a relatively low cost destination.