Pahalgam Terror Attack: News & Discussion

[chetak]

The GoI has signalled intent to build five more dams in cashmere and the Indian diplomatic team which has just gone to afghanistan has conveyed the GoI's offer to build two big storage dams there, on the rivers kabul and kurram. This will bugger up all chances of the pakis stealing any water from the afghans.

The pakis are getting hemmed in from both sides. The afghans will not share their waters with the pakis without extracting a huge price for it, if at all.

This entire IWT 6D chess move by Modi ji has left the pakis completely shell shocked as they are only just now beginning to unravel the consequences of their self created mess and starting to understand the security risk dynamics, social and economic implications, and the grave danger that they have precipitated upon themselves. munir ka धोती खोल दिया

munir seems to have vanished from public view and his bombastic and evil jihadi speech is seen, even in their own pigsty of a country, as the precursor to the jihadi killings in pahalgam.

The IWT will never ever be restored in it's present form, if at all. The re distribution of the Indus waters, especially the three rivers with the pakis, will also be more equitable, taking into consideration present and also future realities.

The speed at which the reaction and retaliation was delivered indicates that it had been planned, reviewed and refined over a very long time. This complex an attack profile cannot be conjured up out of thin air and be put into action on the spur of the moment.

[dinesh_kimar]

Removing article 370 was straightforward too. See how easily it was done. But for Congress governments, it was as if an act written by God for eternity that couldn't be removed by ordinary mortals.

This is true and very unfortunate that our own people are doing this and keeping us down. I was reading National Herald online edition, and Abhishek Swain was downright critical of the IWT kept in abeyance by Namo. Obviously, no mention abt the 28 Hindu innocents gunned down by Paki scum

Pravin Sawhney on YouTube was cautioning on a mis- adventure against Chinese involvement, with critical supplies being affected, with no mention of tough fight back in 2017/2020, and Arms exports up 125% in India, with 60% Russian origin Eqpt. now becoming converted to 50% local Eqpt.

[dinesh_kimar]

We should discuss the support that Turkey is giving to Pakistan. In the past too, Turkey has assisted Pakistan with weapons.

https://postimg.cc/dhQSLvP1

The lasting image of Turkey Pakistan friendship. We also understand why China has friendly relations with both nations, and why our special forces guys like outdoor barbecue.

[RCase]

I have suspected the China hand in Pahalgam massacre by the Pukes of innocent tourists in Kashmir. In this YT Lt. Gen P R Shankar with Sree Iyer of PGurus lays out some facts.

Did China Make Pakistan Do Pahalgam?

youtube.com/watch?v=e3RMak0IiZ4

One interesting comment made by the General is the metaphor of a matador fighting a bull. Tire the bull out by making it run all over, before severing the spine. The other comment was to think in terms of the spectrum of war vs. battle. War has multi dimensions, not just about armies slugging it out kinetically (battle spectrum). Glad to know that he subscribes to the notion of break up of Pakistan into multiple pieces (no stable Pakistan is good for India nonsense). Observation about not taking the eye off growing the economy and jumping into a hot war recklessly. Examples of Russia and Israel jumping into hot war and getting bogged down economically. Get the Pak fauj occupied on multiple fronts, not just militarily.

I am glad that Modi ji is undoing the mistakes of history by the Nehru clan in a methodical fashion and probably his advisors are pretty good compared to the Congressi advisors. All the prior self imposed (external factor) bugaboos are being shattered - 370, IWT, UNMOGIP, Shimla agreement, Aman ki Tamasha, Visas for Pakis etc. Waiting for PoK, GB annexation and sorting out Bangladesh. China problem also needs to be sorted out carefully.

[Cyrano]

One less F16 to shoot down for IAF
https://x.com/Griezmenace/status/1916882597604450696

[dinesh_kimar]

^ Twitter also reports loss of J-10C, a crash, during exercises. 2 planes lost during exercises? What's cooking.

Why did Martin Baker post on Twitter abt 7718 lives saved for J-10 C and suddenly it disappeared.

Lot of Twitter posts with info was deleted in 2019 to shape the information warfare perceptions.
Maybe take screenshots of all intresting news?

[Cain Marko]

I have suspected the China hand in Pahalgam massacre by the Pukes of innocent tourists in Kashmir. In this YT Lt. Gen P R Shankar with Sree Iyer of PGurus lays out some facts.

Did China Make Pakistan Do Pahalgam?

youtube.com/watch?v=e3RMak0IiZ4

I had suggested this in my first post on the matter. It stands to reason that China sees India as a major pita wrt rm their hegemonic ambitions, and now feeling the heat of us tariffs, they would like nothing better than to get India stuck in some kind of protracted, and expensive boondoggle.

If a Chinese hand becomes clear, I expect India to further embrace the US.

Pakistan in any case has just sealed it's fate. Modi will tighten the noose from every direction it looks like. Iwt, fatf, possible shipping lane blockades, occasional kinetic action - he can bring the country to it's knees and cause a civilian coup along with further partitions, and hopefully permanently disband the isi and repurpose the tspa. Control over PoK also will be gained (if not directly, then through proxy). The newly emergent Pakistan (or whatever name it then goes by) will become a vassal state even if quite ndependent at least culturally.

Using sunni tspa or Balochis vs the Iranian border might be another important strategic move. The mullah regime in Iran is extremely mischievous and will try it's best to get involved via proxies in the neighborhood. They are not welcome.

This has to be the end game.

[Amber G.]

Turkish Defence Ministry::

A cargo plane from Türkiye landed in Pakistan for refueling. It then continued on its route. Speculative news made outside of the statements of authorized persons and institutions should not be relied upon:

Also recent:
-Turkish Prez Erdogan

"We wish for an immediate de-escalation of the tension between Pakistan And India before evolving into worse. Our foreign ministry and other units are monitoring the situation"
We don't want new conflicts. Btwn Pakistan, India, hope tensions will be de-escalated'

[williams]

Regarding the IWT during 2002, the then PM, Shri ABV had "silenced the Hawks" regarding its suspension as it will result in a " negative image of India's International Image and stature".

This is a link i found:https://m.rediff.com/news/2002/may/28war18.htm

Perhaps it was a pov highly valued in those times.

The man may be criticised looking at today's crisis , but he did test the Nukes, operationalised Agni missiles, inducted Su-30, Brahmos and negotiated Akula Submarine lease ( The Week's R.Prasanna spoke to a beaming George Fernandes and asked him wat it was? Maybe a new Nuclear submarine??).

ABV believed that he could make peace with the Pakis. Perhaps post Kargil his mind might have changed. However he also took the decision to not cross the LoC during Kargil and the army was not even allowed to capture certain tactically useful areas at the hight of Kargil victory where that was quite possible given the downhill skiing of the Pakis. Perhaps that is one of the reason for his political loss in the 2004 election. He did not read people's mood IMO.

[Amber G.]

In a interview Israel ambassador Reuven Azar tells WION:

We support India's right of self defence...India knows what to do":
"...it is a matter of sovereignty. Countries have right to take self defence,

[Cain Marko]

India should aim to use a combination of the British colonial and Russian Chechen model. The idea is to use Pakistani resources to our advantage. Annexation of any territory might not be necessary for this and might even be counter productive.
The basic rules remain the same. Find native strongmen and lackeys who will do the dirty work. Ensure that they understand that their power lies in the sanctity of their relationship with maibaap in Delhi. They can rule, administer and police as they see fit. But foreign policy and use of armed forces should entirely be in consultation with New Delhi.. Destroying Pakistani infrastructure, military or civilian won't serve any purpose other than gaining more hostility from the public.
Of course some kinetic action will be necessary. Sharp and decisive. Ideally, pak civilian leadership and awaam need to see Indias ability to put isi and tspa leadership's heads on a platter. The whole lot of them. This has to be done. Very visibly.

Such a strategy = Akhanda Bharat IMHO. Gaining actual territory and holding on to it is not a good idea in today's world.

[Amber G.]

On Diplomatic front:
Indian Ambassador to Russia Vinay Kumar briefs Russian Deputy FM about the situation emerging after Pahalgam terror attack. Russian Readout:

[nachiket]

One less F16 to shoot down for IAF
https://x.com/Griezmenace/status/1916882597604450696

^ Twitter also reports loss of J-10C, a crash, during exercises. 2 planes lost during exercises? What's cooking.

Why did Martin Baker post on Twitter abt 7718 lives saved for J-10 C and suddenly it disappeared.

Guys there is a lot of fake news and psyops being exchanged on Twitter from both sides. Please don't believe in anything unless confirmed by a reliable source.

[Rakesh]

To add to what Nachiket said above, please DO NOT post losses of any Pak military equipment UNLESS explicitly stated by the Govt of India.

A lot of fan boys on Twitter (on both sides) and posting stuff from those sources brings down the quality of the discussion.

[Amber G.]

With concerns over fake news, propaganda, India blocks you tube channels of over 15 top Pakistani news channels & influencers. (Let us not quote these here in BRF too).

[chetak]

Regarding the IWT during 2002, the then PM, Shri ABV had "silenced the Hawks" regarding its suspension as it will result in a " negative image of India's International Image and stature".

This is a link i found:https://m.rediff.com/news/2002/may/28war18.htm

Perhaps it was a pov highly valued in those times.

The man may be criticised looking at today's crisis , but he did test the Nukes, operationalised Agni missiles, inducted Su-30, Brahmos and negotiated Akula Submarine lease ( The Week's R.Prasanna spoke to a beaming George Fernandes and asked him wat it was? Maybe a new Nuclear submarine??).

ABV believed that he could make peace with the Pakis. Perhaps post Kargil his mind might have changed. However he also took the decision to not cross the LoC during Kargil and the army was not even allowed to capture certain tactically useful areas at the hight of Kargil victory where that was quite possible given the downhill skiing of the Pakis. Perhaps that is one of the reason for his political loss in the 2004 election. He did not read people's mood IMO.

williams ji,


many months after kargil, there was a quiet little picnic where the quirks and niggles in that portion of the border was straightened out and some advantageous features on the other side were reappropriated and repurposed.


the faint sound of fighter engines in the sky was more than enough to dampen any remnants of residual aggression from the pakis who sullenly moved well back when the IA advanced on the terrain features that they wanted in their kitty. Not a single shot was fired. All done with aman ki asha onlee

IMHO, there was BIF involvement in the dislodging of ABV in 2004, after which the mafia moved into high gear

the mafia queen had lost valuable time during the PVN years followed by the ABV interregnum and had to rush to make up for it

that was when mamamia the BIF set off a lot of trip wires like the NAC, RTE and the attempted communal violence bill et al, including the attempted bullying of APJAK

[Amber G.]

Baloch Liberation Army freedom fighters neutralized an agent of the Pakistani intelligence agency ISI in Pasni, while in three other separate operations, freedom fighters targeted vehicles of occupying Pakistani army, police and the Saindak Project and set up a blockade on the main highway

[Amber G.]

Video - Looks like the Zip-line Operator in this video heard the firing and said Allah Hu Akbar - maybe in fear or in prayer. And then sent the tourist on the Zip-line. The tourist was so focussed and excited, that he didn’t hear any firing or later chaos below on ground.

[A_Gupta]

Easy or difficult, I do not know, but revocation of Article 370 took significant planning and effort.

https://www.firstpost.com/explainers/ja ... 2.html/amp

[AdityaM]

India may have also desilted or flushed out debris that was affecting / reducing it's own dam storage capacity. This flushing, if actually done, would have improved India's own storage capacity of whichever Indian dam is involved

What if we have done Reservoir flushing to remove accumulated sediments from a reservoir or dam. This will push sediments to Paki dam reducing there capacity and increasing our dam capacity.

Thank you. Wasn't aware that such a flushing was a thing.

[AdityaM]

I have not seen any video of India mobilising troops.
Troop movement when it happens cannot be kept under wraps when everyone has a camera phone & cheap data plans.

However there are enough videos of Pak mobilising Self propelled artillery & tree top helicopters practising.

Assuming that Modi govt is not interested in immediate military response over land, there still needs to be a counter mobilisation to balance Paki deployments.

What am I missing? Why are we not even countering Pak moving its formations forward?

[Amber G.]

I have not seen any video of India mobilising troops.
Troop movement when it happens cannot be kept under wraps when everyone has a camera phone & cheap data plans.

However there are enough videos of Pak mobilising Self propelled artillery & tree top helicopters practising.

Assuming that Modi govt is not interested in immediate military response over land, there still needs to be a counter mobilisation to balance Paki deployments.

What am I missing? Why are we not even countering Pak moving its formations forward?

There is movement — but the Indian government has issued an official advisory (April 26, 2025) asking media to avoid showing real-time visuals or reporting defence operations and troop movements, in the interest of national security. So it's not surprising that you aren't seeing videos.

[Amber G.]

Meanwhile: TOI story - Pakistan is scared..
Pahalgam Attack: Pakistan Warns of Imminent Indian Action

After the April 22 Pahalgam terror attack that killed 26 people, Pakistan’s Defence Minister Khawaja Asif claimed an Indian incursion was "imminent" and said Pakistan had reinforced its forces. He warned nuclear weapons would only be used if Pakistan's survival was at stake.

In India, Defence Minister Rajnath Singh met PM Modi to discuss countermeasures. The NIA and Army remain on high alert, while the Cabinet Committee on Security (CCS) condemned the attack, pointed to cross-border links, and protests across India are demanding strong action against Pakistan.

[vimal]

Just saw news scrolling in US news channel about Paki defense minister threatening imminent war with India if issues are not resolved peacefully. They are working overtime now to avoid any Mano-a-mano.

[nachiket]

I have not seen any video of India mobilising troops.
Troop movement when it happens cannot be kept under wraps when everyone has a camera phone & cheap data plans.

However there are enough videos of Pak mobilising Self propelled artillery & tree top helicopters practising.
What am I missing? Why are we not even countering Pak moving its formations forward?

Pakistani formations are already located close to the IB. These videos of artillery being moved through the middle of the city (where they will surely get recorded and posted on SM) are only for PR and psyops purposes.

[Amber G.]

Video - Looks like the Zip-line Operator in this video heard the firing and said Allah Hu Akbar - maybe in fear or in prayer. And then sent the tourist on the Zip-line. The tourist was so focussed and excited, that he didn’t hear any firing or later chaos below on ground.

More ANI story : [Chilling]

In a viral video, a tourist was seen ziplining when terrorists suddenly started firing. The tourist from Gujarat's Ahmedabad, Rishi Bhatt, recalls the incident.

"...Firing started when I was ziplining...I did not realise this for around 20 seconds...I suddenly realised that a firing has started and people on the ground are being killed. I saw 5-6 people getting shot. After about 20 seconds, I realised that it was a terrorist attack...He (the zipline operator) said 'Allahu Akbar' thrice, following which the firing started. I found out that men in two families ahead of us were asked their religion and shot in front of my wife and son. My wife and son were screaming. I unlatched my belt and jumped down, took my wife and son and started running away. We saw people hiding at a spot which was like a pit, so you could not spot someone easily there. We too hid there. When firing halted a little after 8-10 minutes, we started running toward the main gate...The firing started again and 4-5 people were shot. 15-16 tourists were shot in front of us. When we reached the gate, we saw that the local public had already left. One pony guide took us away from there, we also soon found the Indian Army personnel before us. They gave cover to all the tourists...Army covered Pahalgam within 20-25 minutes. They gave cover to all the tourists within 18-20 minutes...We felt safe once the Army gave us cover...I am grateful to the Indian Army...9 people ziplined before me, but the operator did not say anything. When I was sliding, he spoke and then the firing started. So, I have my suspicions about that man. He said 'Allahu Akbar' thrice and then the firing started...He looked like a regular Kashmiri...Army presence was everywhere in lower areas, even in the forest. But there was no Army officer at the main location. There was Jammu & Kashmir Police as well as three security guards at the main gate..."

[nachiket]

Easy or difficult, I do not know, but revocation of Article 370 took significant planning and effort.

https://www.firstpost.com/explainers/ja ... 2.html/amp

Yes, removal of Article 370 was orders of magnitude more difficult because of the complex legal and constitutional issues involved not to mention the internal opposition to it and the threat of J&K's security situation deteriorating significantly.

IWT on the other hand has no real internal constituency. The J&K politicians like Omar Abdullah have themselves welcomed it. There are no constitutional issues at all. Which is why it is upsetting that it took this long. But better late than never I guess.

[drnayar]

https://youtu.be/Mt5icKJv-ns

PL15s [ not export variant ] airlifted from Chinese arsenals to the porkis

6 Hercules airlifters from Turkey loaded with weapons and ammunition

Azerbaijan support

the terrorists are SSG commandos

possible hamas/hizbullah angle... their modus operandi ..at least one terrorist is one from them [ direct Iranian involvement]

[Rakesh]

https://youtu.be/Mt5icKJv-ns

PL15s [ not export variant ] airlifted from Chinese arsenals to the porkis

6 Hercules airlifters from Turkey loaded with weapons and ammunition

Azerbaijan support

There is no evidence of non-export variant PL-15s being exported to Pakistan.

[drnayar]

There is no evidence of non-export variant PL-15s being exported to Pakistan.

boss this has happened in apparently past few days !! .. evidence apparently from flight radar inbounds to porkistan .. look at the types of aircraft and their origin and the meetings/deliberations going on in Pakistan. [ Chinese involvement more clear with their pronouncements parroting paki stance, or rather the other way round ! ]

[Rakesh]

There is no evidence of non-export variant PL-15s being exported to Pakistan.

boss this has happened in apparently past few days !!

Doctor Saab, I am sorry...but "apparently" does not count as evidence.

https://x.com/Defencematrix1/status/1916831566120292445 ---> Pakistani claiming that the PL-15 they are operating is from the PLA's inventory, so it has a range of 200 Km, reminds me of the time when they were claiming the same thing about J-10CE they received. They were saying its not an export version, its the J-10C from PLA's inventory, until we caught their lies. Check the photo below.

[nachiket]

boss this has happened in apparently past few days !!

Like we said before, there are a lot of rumours, speculation, propaganda and psyops doing the rounds on social media. Some of it might be true, most is not.

[Rakesh]

Meteor has shaken their confidence and they need a psy-ops mijjile to convince their gullible citizens, that they still have the upper hand.

Thus enter the non-export variant of the PL-15. Pakis are masters at psy ops and we fall for it, time and time again.

The Chinese are equally adept at lying. Everything they claim is suspect.

[williams]

Me thinks military response will happen after all the dust settles and when media (both social and mainstream) loses interest.

Troop deployment etc cannot be gauged with SM posting of videos. We have a highly militarized border and hinder land.

[AdityaM]

There is movement — but the Indian government has issued an official advisory (April 26, 2025) asking media to avoid showing real-time visuals or reporting defence operations and troop movements, in the interest of national security. So it's not surprising that you aren't seeing videos.

Not media, I was referring to social media.
It is not possible to stop people from posting, no govt notice can stop junta from making online posts.

Every time you would see pics of armour on trains or trucks on highways. This time there is zilch.
No one has seen, no one has posted any pic, no one has even commented to having seen anything.

There is simply no evidence of army mobilisation

[Amber G.]

Not media, I was referring to social media.
It is not possible to stop people from posting, no govt notice can stop junta from making online posts.

Every time you would see pics of armour on trains or trucks on highways. This time there is zilch.
No one has seen, no one has posted any pic, no one has even commented to having seen anything.

There is simply no evidence of army mobilisation

The advisory explicitly includes social media users. Quoting from it:
"

In the interest of national security, all media platforms, news agencies, and social media users are advised to exercise utmost responsibility and adhere strictly to existing laws and regulations while reporting on matters concerning defence and other security-related operations.

"
So yes, posting troop movements on social media is also being actively discouraged.
(Any such post here in BRF must not be posted)

[A_Gupta]

Me thinks military response will happen after all the dust settles and when media (both social and mainstream) loses interest.

Troop deployment etc cannot be gauged with SM posting of videos. We have a highly militarized border and hinder land.

+100

[A_Gupta]

All you need to know: "Gurpatwant Singh Pannun, leader of the Khalistan Movement, has declared unwavering support for Pakistan"

[Jay]

6 Hercules airlifters from Turkey loaded with weapons and ammunition

Looking at flightaware tracker, there is a turkish AF plane that flew from Karachi to Malaysia and over India

https://www.flightaware.com/live/flight ... ctivityLog

[sanjaykumar]

Forget Pannunji. There are so many Sikhs expressing support for a strong Indian response.