Pahalgam Terror Attack: News & Discussion

[Mort Walker]

Please refrain from posting unverified stories from twitter warriors. It degrades the quality of discourse.

Pakistan media is confirming that an F-16 pilot was killed. He did not ejaculate on time. Jo time ejaculation meh nahi laga sakte...

[Hriday]

Pakistan continuing ceasefire violations for four days. It will help them to push commandos+ suicidal jihadis into India. As per the Indian army and mainstream media, the Indian response is the usual "befitting reply of retaliatory fire given". Is it the time to inflict serious damage to Paki military assets across at least across LoC? I had seen several OSINT sources mentioning that three senior ranking officers of the Pak army were killed in retaliatory fire by India. But India should stop being shy and at least openly state the general nature of the damages inflicted and the casualties in Pakistan.

[Arima]

Please refrain from posting unverified stories from twitter warriors. It degrades the quality of discourse.

Baba banares channel is withheld in Twitter. many bombastic and jingoistic comments on going across channels and individual person account.

[partha]

Pakistan continuing ceasefire violations for four days. It will help them to push commandos+ suicidal jihadis into India. As per the Indian army and mainstream media, the Indian response is the usual "befitting reply of retaliatory fire given". Is it the time to inflict serious damage to Paki military assets across at least across LoC? I had seen several OSINT sources mentioning that three senior ranking officers of the Pak army were killed in retaliatory fire by India. But India should stop being shy and at least openly state the general nature of the damages inflicted and the casualties in Pakistan.

Nobody except a few people at the top clearly know what's going on. There is one more CCS meeting today. Everything is being kept a secret and rightly so. Let Pakis keep guessing what's next and in the process make mistakes.

[Ashokk]

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Amid Fears Of Indian Response, Pakistan Removes Flag From International Border Post

Amid rising tensions and provocations along the International Border (IB) and Line of Control (LoC), Pakistani posts in the Pragwal sector of Jammu have reportedly been left vacant. Additionally, Pakistani Rangers have removed national flags from their IB posts, signaling unusual activity along the Indo-Pak border.

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Amid rising tensions and provocations along the International Border (IB) and Line of Control (LoC), Pakistani posts in the Pragwal sector of Jammu have reportedly been left vacant. Additionally, Pakistani Rangers have removed national flags from their IB posts, signaling unusual activity along the Indo-Pak border.

No credible event from our side that could have triggered this pullback.
This is most likely a trap to pull Indian forces in and set the pace of conflict escalation.

[Cyrano]

It is also likely the Paki troops ran away not willing to sacrifice their lives for their corrupt hierarchy.

[chetak]

Vi@WA

"Kill them... destroy them... wipe them out... now only war is needed..."

Many such posts have come...
We have read them...
We have even expressed our anger...

Now, read this article.

Do not wear a crown you don't deserve.


Currently, India (Modi Government) absolutely does not need to launch any military action or attack Pakistan.


"The Pahalgam attack is part of a much larger conspiracy against India by foreign powers who do not want India to rise as an economic and global superpower."

Please note:

I do not believe that our army or government lacks the power to give a strong response.

Nor am I trying to demoralize them.

Article Title:
"An Incomplete Conspiracy"

If you find the logic reasonable, share it or discuss it.
Here’s the logic:

1. During the farmers' protest, foreign powers tried to create an unwanted conflict between the farmers and the government to trigger a civil war in India. The government handled it patiently, accepted some demands, and avoided the trap.

2. During the CAA protests (Shaheen Bagh and Delhi riots), foreign forces tried again to incite civil unrest. Modi's team handled the situation smartly, preventing the conspiracy from succeeding.

3. For a year, in Manipur, anti-national forces tried to provoke India into a civil war. Even though they dragged the issue into Parliament, the government solved it without firing a bullet.

4. For six months, mass killings of Hindus were happening in Bangladesh to provoke India into a war. However, the government understood the conspiracy and avoided the trap while taking necessary actions.

(Remember: even then, many of us were asking, "Why isn’t Modi taking action?")

Now, understand the current scenario:

1. Two weeks ago, the U.S. gave Pakistan $400 million aid.

2. 15 days ago, Pakistan's PM and Army Chief visited Saudi Arabia — why?

3. A month ago, Hamas leaders and top Pakistani terrorists met in PoK.

4. Three days ago, Pakistan’s Army Chief openly spewed venom against Hindus and Modi.

Now comes the Pahalgam attack.
Let's do a "retrospective operation" on this incident:

1. After a long time, terrorists targeted civilians, specifically Hindus — why?

To inflame Hindu-Muslim tensions and create civil war-like conditions in India.

1-A) Terrorists openly said: "Tell your Modi that we are killing Hindus."

Why didn't they target the army or police? Why directly name Modi?

Clearly, it was meant to hurt Hindu sentiments, trigger emotional responses, and provoke India into war.

2. At the time of the attack:

The U.S. Vice President was visiting India.

Modi was visiting Saudi Arabia.
(Notice the interconnections.)

3. An influential young Indian leader visited the U.S. a week ago.

To receive orders and guidance? (Future speeches and actions will reveal.)

5. U.S., Canada, Germany, France, and U.K. all told India: "Whatever action you take, we support it."

Meaning: They want India to go to war to weaken India’s rising power.

6. Notice how all opposition parties, who earlier demanded "proof" during Balakot strikes, now say:We support any action Modi takes."

Translation: They want Modi to go to war, fail, and then they will grab power.

7. Pakistan too threatens that stopping water flow would be seen as an "act of war" — provoking India into conflict.

In short: Foreign powers, India's opposition parties, and even Pakistan all want India to enter a war.

Their ultimate aim: weaken India internally, stop India's global rise, and push us back into 100 years of subjugation.
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Now the most important point:

Late General Bipin Rawat warned that a "Half-Front" has emerged within India:

Traitors within the country working with foreign forces.

These are the same elements behind the farmers' protests, CAA riots, and communal violence.

If Modi engages in war, these forces would incite internal Hindu-Muslim riots, creating a civil war and stalling India's growth.
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The Indian Army is capable of fighting Pakistan, Bangladesh, and China simultaneously. But an internal civil war would tie their hands.

And that's exactly what anti-India forces want.
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Solution:

We, the citizens, must not create unnecessary pressure for war.

We must not fall for foreign media propaganda.

We must trust Modi and the government to take action at the right time.

They know what strategy to adopt.

Even without war, India can make Pakistan suffer — e.g., by cutting off water, trade, visas, etc etc.

[chetak]

^^^^^^^


is it normal for these turds to speak like this or are they also pushing an agenda

"I used to favour dialogue with Pakistan every time..but not now. Not Balakot, today Nation wants such action to be taken so that these kinds of att@cks never happen"

Abdullahs & Owaisi have thrown biggest surprise to those who don't know them.

CONgress hasn't surprised at all.

WATCH VIDEO

[anisham]

Panic in Pakistani leadership; Navy vessels on standby, airspace restricted as country expects Indian strike
https://www.aninews.in/news/national/ge ... 430141857/

[anisham]

It is also likely the Paki troops ran away not willing to sacrifice their lives for their corrupt hierarchy.

I am surprised they followed official "coward retreat protocol" and removed pak's flag from post.
It seems too perfect - they are dumb .. but not that dumb.

[ricky_v]

nothing against you, chetak sir, just responding to the contents

1. During the farmers' protest, foreign powers tried to create an unwanted conflict between the farmers and the government to trigger a civil war in India. The government handled it patiently, accepted some demands, and avoided the trap.

my memory is not as good it seems, i remember the goi passing a bill in the highest lawmaking institution in the land, getting it converted into a law by getting assent of the supreme commander of the armed forces on it, and then scrapping the said laws in totality and entirety when faced with opposition, if a trap was avoided, it was a trap of goi's own making and such masterful evasion where you roll back laws and try to sneak its way past into the system by passing through different states

3. For a year, in Manipur, anti-national forces tried to provoke India into a civil war. Even though they dragged the issue into Parliament, the government solved it without firing a bullet.

is the issue solved though? or maybe everyone lost interest to report any devlopments, the root cause of the conflict: granting special provisions to the native meitei by the high court, that was opposed by the kuki, has this been resolved? or is the latest development of talks of secession by the kuki, who can say, afterall the government has solved it without firing a bullet

4. For six months, mass killings of Hindus were happening in Bangladesh to provoke India into a war. However, the government understood the conspiracy and avoided the trap while taking necessary actions.

, beedis are barely human, they do not need the fluffing hands of global conspiracy to kill hindus, and or molest their properties, intrinsic and without

hindus are killed in many west bengal areas, is that also a conspiracy? what about the mass rapes, first in ajmer? now recently unearthed in bhopal?? what about riots against religious processions? these are the end results of nesting vipers close to the bosom and growing them on milk and venom, they do not require external stimuli to provoke their baser instincts

india did fuk all to help external hindus, not many are hopeful it would do anything to help internal ones as well, that does not make it a shining government victory in restraint and chivalry, more like the goi couldnt be arsed to lift their hands from beneath their seats

1. Two weeks ago, the U.S. gave Pakistan $400 million aid.

the us is always giving aid to pakistan, no muhurat is required to consult deeper meanings behind such transactions

2. 15 days ago, Pakistan's PM and Army Chief visited Saudi Arabia — why?

to beg, why else, again, this is a common enough occurrence

2. At the time of the attack:

The U.S. Vice President was visiting India.

Modi was visiting Saudi Arabia.
(Notice the interconnections.)

some connections are connections, most others are smoke; the grand strategist sees enemies behind every shadow, must india prepare a highly stratified matrix chart to avoid indian leadership and paki leadership from ever being out of the country at the same time? and calibrate responses accordingly

Translation: They want Modi to go to war, fail, and then they will grab power.

india, happily or otherwise, is a parliamentary system, the largest party is the head, and those party members select one amongst them to be the top person, the important thing to note is that the power lies in the elected members of the party notwithstanding if those members were elected on one guy's leadership, that is irrelevant in our setup

7. Pakistan too threatens that stopping water flow would be seen as an "act of war" — provoking India into conflict.

In short: Foreign powers, India's opposition parties, and even Pakistan all want India to enter a war.

this is quite a reverse, ulta chor kotwal ko daante: if india does not want to inflame the conflict, go back to the iwt, it is literally as simple as that, what pakistan is doing is reacting to the actions from india in this instance

If Modi engages in war, these forces would incite internal Hindu-Muslim riots, creating a civil war and stalling India's growth.

such riots / civil wars will happen with or without said conflict, they are too entitled, and too removed from the general body of societal consciousness to embrace progress as a whole, advocating pusillanimity for literally any action citing nebulous global machinations is truly the hallmark of the modern indian whatsapp uni graduate

[Ashokk]

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Before After Images Show Dry River Bed Of Chenab As India Turns Off The Tap For Pakistan In Response

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Indian Army Put Out Video Of Indian Military's Dominance On All Fronts

Amid the rising tensions between India and Pakistan following the brutal Pahalgam terror attack, the Indian Army has released a powerful video showcasing its dominance across land, air, and sea.

[chetak]

we have paki termites (women) who have tunnelled deep into the Indian body politic and many have been in India for the past 5-6 decades with no documents of their own except fake Indian identity documents which they have been using to have sponge off the Indian public for food, education and other govt perks that were never meant for them. Almost all have married Indian ropers and popped out paki citizen kids

now add beedi and rohingiya scum who have infiltrated and the numbers of these jihadi, Hindu hating illegals will stupefy you.

Mehbooba Mufti@MehboobaMufti

The recent government directive to deport all Pakistani nationals from India has raised serious humanitarian concerns, particularly in Jammu & Kashmir. Many affected are women who came to India 30–40 years ago, married Indian citizens, raised families, and have long been part of our society.

We urge the government to reconsider this decision, and adopt a compassionate approach regarding , women , children and elderly. Deporting individuals who have lived peacefully in India for decades would not only be inhumane but would inflict deep emotional and physical distress on families who now know no other home.

[vimal]

^^ This is just classic.

[Baikul]

….

Mehbooba Mufti@MehboobaMufti

The recent government directive to deport all Pakistani nationals from India has raised serious humanitarian concerns….
We urge the government to reconsider this decision, and adopt a compassionate approach ……

The cold blooded murder of Indian citizens by butchers exhausted all the compassion available.

If the lady is looking for compassion she can find it in the dictionary. It’s between Chal and Nikal.

[SRajesh]

All BIF supporters want immediate Indian action!!
Wonder why RaGa is demanding this.
I have a strange feeling that some traps have been laid!!
And the entitled shithead wants NaMo to fail miserably

[williams]

It sounds like Pakis want us to attack them sooner. They are in fact more desperate than our own media I wonder why? It sounds to me they can beg for more resources from their puppet masters if we attack early. India should take her own sweet time to do it. There is a possibility Pakis may collapse economically and politically even before we strike.

[Vayutuvan]

The problem is this cuts both ways. Modi ji on record telling Putin that "This is not time for war".

WTF is even the comparison here? Putin was not fighting a terror attack on his home soil like Modi. Do you even think before spilling you gut out every day??

Calm down my man. I just made an observation. The western media and DDM will highlight this statement of Modi ji non-stop once things go kinetic. We need to make the paki the aggressor if we cannot find convincing proof of the TSPA involvement.

[Amber G.]

India issues NOTAM closing its airspace for Civilian and Military aircrafts owned, operated and leased by Pakistan. It will hit Pakistan economically by causing disruptions in connectivity.

[chetak]

WTF is even the comparison here? Putin was not fighting a terror attack on his home soil like Modi. Do you even think before spilling you gut out every day??

Calm down my man. I just made an observation. The western media and DDM will highlight this statement of Modi ji non-stop once things go kinetic. We need to make the paki the aggressor if we cannot find convincing proof of the TSPA involvement.

shriman,

Modi ji on record telling Putin that "This is not time for war"

So what .....


when someone attacks you, first of all, kick the crap out of them, and before you dispatch them onwards to their heavenly reward, damage them beyond all repair

philosophy can always be debated later, over a tall glass of beer

Modi ji knows what he is doing.

[williams]

The time for moral and ethical wrangling is over. Pakis and their puppet masters have no such groundings in their thought process. Our own internal commie BIF don't have such groundings. We will be foolish to think such a thing exist when we are attacked in the most inhuman way. Look at the Israelis, did they care about all these things. People screaming will scream. Give the thugs hell and that will put an end to this drama. After few months the people who scream will not matter. Our citizens will be safe and secure. We can then focus on massive economic reforms and growth.

[Amber G.]

Meanwhile: The Director General of ISPR appears to be delivering PowerPoint sermons crafted by the fresh-faced interns of the GHQ School of Communications in Rawalpindi. According to poor watchers - at first, the spectacle was laughable—amusing in its amateurish flair. But now? It’s just tiresome.

[m_saini]

Calm down my man. I just made an observation. The western media and DDM will highlight this statement of Modi ji non-stop once things go kinetic. We need to make the paki the aggressor if we cannot find convincing proof of the TSPA involvement.

western media and DDM will highlight that statement regardless of convincing proof. actually, no proof is convincing enough if it shows muslims in bad light. (unless the victims skin color is white)
Similarly pakis will never be the aggressors even if they butcher hindus in pahalgam they start the war unilaterally.

Like Jay-saar said:

IN one ear, OUT from the other and do what you want to do.

[Rakesh]

How will India respond to Pahalgam terror? Lt Gen Hooda who planned 2016 surgical strikes explains

A week since the Pahalagm attack, Deputy Editor Snehesh Alex Philip speaks to former Northern Army Commander, Lt Gen D S Hooda (Retd) who planned the surgical strikes in 2016, on what the likely response will be.

[Amber G.]

In the news: Raksha Mantri Rajnath Singhji to represent India at Russia’s Victory Day Parade in Moscow on May 9th as Modiji has decided not to go there.

[williams]

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Wargaming India vs Pakistan With Arnab: End Game For Terror Sponsors?

Ladies and Gents do not miss this debate - it is unlike the usual Arnab shouting matches, There is a lot of military and strategic wisdom to pickup.

[Amber G.]

The position taken in Pakistani officials’ latest Press Conference suggests a retreat from bravado & alarmism. ‘Concern over loss of life & condolences’ is very different from ‘it was a false flag operation.’ .. (This on Dawn channel not giving the url here - )

The shift in tone is remarkable ...

Perhaps this shift is to damage control is textbook ISPR strategy when the lie becomes too big to maintain. They didn’t suddenly grow a conscience but they’re cornered. The international pressure is mounting, and the usual script is failing badly.

[Ashokk]

https://x.com/detresfa_/status/1917644578406162671

Now India issues 4 notifications (green) for naval firing in coastal area off Gujarat just 85-nautical miles from where Pakistan is doing its naval drills in the Arabian Sea

Dates
30 April - 03 May 2025 (Ind)
30 April - 02 May 2025 (Pak)

[Cain Marko]

In the news: Raksha Mantri Rajnath Singhji to represent India at Russia’s Victory Day Parade in Moscow on May 9th as Modiji has decided not to go there.

Okay. This is a big thing. India would not dream of doing this unless something big is going down. OR

Modi & Co are turning the screws in such a way that Pak invariably does something rash, something like an unforced error in tennis - caused by high pressure. INdia's response thereafter will be epic and totally justified, just the opening needed. The high tempo of fire across the LoC from Pak seems to be one such response. India will provoke much more by tightening the screws everywhere.

[chetak]

The position taken in Pakistani officials’ latest Press Conference suggests a retreat from bravado & alarmism. ‘Concern over loss of life & condolences’ is very different from ‘it was a false flag operation.’ .. (This on Dawn channel not giving the url here - )

The shift in tone is remarkable ...

Perhaps this shift is to damage control is textbook ISPR strategy when the lie becomes too big to maintain. They didn’t suddenly grow a conscience but they’re cornered. The international pressure is mounting, and the usual script is failing badly.

janab,


most importantly, the paki army is all alone, for the first time in decades


no one has rallied around them, and munir is not respected or even wanted, either by his own army or the awam, or even the politicos


the international support is with Modi ji, pakis have been abandoned by the ummah, the cheen are "supporting" the pakis and that "support" doesn't mean jack$h!t


saudi and iran are quiet


turkis have backed off


and Modi ji has the pakis by their unwashed testimonials.


As usual, russkis are the enigma


Indian visas gone, all trade gone, IWT gone, attari border closed, paki youtube channels blocked in India, IMF and WB angry, and cashmeris, on both sides of the border, are cursing them


The rest of pukestan is literally burning and the paki army is getting beaten badly everyday by the pakis themselves. baloch, sindh, pastun, afghans are all up in arms


munir untraceable, sharif hospitalized and the pakis are now facing a rampaging India, eager to kick the crap out of them


This has never happened to them in over seven decades, not even during the beedi genocide of 71


and they have nil approach to the Indian leadership as no country wants to piss of Modi ji by pleading the paki case


the pakis are "faked and far from home"

[KL Dubey]

....
Now you tell me how this is not a "large-scale" mission leaving aside the near-impossibility of actually achieving this without horrendous attrition? I think people get carried away with this term no-fly zone a lot because of how relatively easy it was for NATO to achieve it over countries like Iraq over whom they had an unbelievable overmatch in every respect.

What I meant was an effective "no-fly zone" for civilian commercial aircraft headed into Paastan - meant to cripple the Paastan economy further in a way similar to the maritime commercial blockade. Let the Paks operate their military aircraft within their airspace, thereby shortening their life further.
...

Related to above discussion:

https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/ind ... 771330.cms

I understand its not the "same thing" as what we were talking about.

[partha]

Praveen Swami reports that one of the options being considered is grabbing some territory in Leepa and Neelam valleys https://theprint.in/opinion/security-co ... l/2609813/

Now the thing is Praveen Swami wrote it because Govt wanted him to but why though? To gauge international reaction? Force Pakis to commit a mistake? Mislead Pakis and launch ops elsewhere?

[Amber G.]

Do you remember the despicable Colonel Taimur Rahat, the Pakistan Army and Air Advisor who made the throat-slitting gesture during a protest outside the Pakistan High Commission in London..

Well that low life is now being investigated by the Scotland ...

The throat-slitting gesture that shows how a foreign conflict has come to Britain’s streets

As a crisis unfolds in Asia, the Met investigates a clip of a Pakistani official signalling to Indian protesters from the embassy’s balcony

(Back ground those who do not know - Colonel Taimur Rahat is the Pakistan Army and Air Advisor at the High Commission.Colonel Rahat was captured on video making the threatening gesture towards Indian community protesters who were demonstrating against the attack. ​

The gesture disgusted most and has been widely condemned and is currently under investigation by the Metropolitan Police. It has further strained diplomatic relations and raised concerns about the conduct of diplomatic personnel in the UK.​

[Amber G.]

Also in the news: Lt Gen. Asim Munir Malik(ISI Head) given additional charges of being the country's NSA as wel given additional charge of NSA ..

[williams]

Praveen Swami reports that one of the options being considered is grabbing some territory in Leepa and Neelam valleys https://theprint.in/opinion/security-co ... l/2609813/

Now the thing is Praveen Swami wrote it because Govt wanted him to but why though? To gauge international reaction? Force Pakis to commit a mistake? Mislead Pakis and launch ops elsewhere?

Media houses and reporters alike want to report on this topic, since it is the hot one for their consumers. However Modi sarkar is running a tight ship and have not divulged or even leaked any information. So everyone is speculating, including the Pakis. I would say if we are going to grab territory, we can go really big why limit to small border enclaves. Also how is that going to inflict unbearable cost if we have done that kind of thing already with little visible change in Paki mindset.

[Amber G.]

However Modi sarkar is running a tight ship and have not divulged or even leaked any information...

In May..

-PM Modi on a 3 nation visit: Croatia, Norway & Netherlands
-Angola Prez in India
-Iran FM to visit India
-Defence Min to travel to Moscow for victory day
-India, US trade talks continue
-Sarnath Buddha relics in Vietnam..

And in India is ... Caste census is making the big headline in the country.....

[nachiket]

What I meant was an effective "no-fly zone" for civilian commercial aircraft headed into Paastan - meant to cripple the Paastan economy further in a way similar to the maritime commercial blockade. Let the Paks operate their military aircraft within their airspace, thereby shortening their life further.
...

Related to above discussion:

https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/ind ... 771330.cms

I understand its not the "same thing" as what we were talking about.

You were talking about the opposite. Stop Pakistani airlines from operating in their own airspace. If a war breaks out with the IAF and PAF involved that will happen automatically. Or you could do it by declaring that you will consider any aircraft flying inside paki airspace as hostile. You don't actually have to do anything. Which airline will take the risk at a time like this? But bear in mind that this would go both ways. Pakis can also declare the same thing and stop airlines from flying over northern and western India at least again without actually doing anything I suppose.

[williams]

'Indus Waters Treaty Was A Bad Deal For India, Happy It Is In Abeyance Now'

India has more or less walked out of the 65 year old Indus Waters Treaty following the horrific terrorist attack in Pahalgam last week. So far it has kept the implementation of the treaty in abeyance 'with immediate effect, until Pakistan credibly and irrevocably abjures its support for cross-border terrorism,' the Ministry of External Affairs said in an official statement. In effect the treaty is as good as dead, says India's former High Commissioner to Pakistan, seasoned diplomat and strategic thinker, Ambassador Satish Chandra.

In this chat with Editor-in-Chief Nitin A. Gokhale, Ambassador Chandra explains why. He points out India has 40 per cent roughly of the catchment area of the Indus basin. But under the treaty, India is providing Pakistan as much as 80 per cent of the water, keeping only 20 per cent for us. The second thing he thinks everyone needs to understand is that West Punjab (now in Pakistan) at the time of partition was heavily irrigated and had about 140 canals whereas East Punjab now in India) barely had 12 canals.

Another figure: As against about 21 million acres of land irrigated, India only had 5 million. So really for this treaty to have been fair India should have demanded that much more of the irrigation that was being created. But that did not happen. Add to this the fact that India paid Pakistan as much as $175 million in 1961 over a ten year installment period.They got as much as $900 million in the Indus Basin Fund, which was provided by the international institutions by donor countries. The USA paid around $450 million. So we were the second largest. With that money, Pakistan built two big dams and several canals. With India's money!

Amb Chandra is therefore pleased that India has finally decided to bite the bullet and hit Pakistan where it hurts them in the medium and long term if not immediately. Listen in for an insight into a slice of history that is largely hidden from common citizens.