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Parameswaran Iyer, Executive Director at the World Bank, has been temporarily entrusted with the responsibility of being India’s nominee director on the board of International Monetary Fund (IMF) ahead of a crucial May 9 meeting, sources said.
"Operation Sindoor is fully underway. Pakistan army chief Asim Munir will not be given a face-saving exit," a senior officer told TOI, as India's counter-strikes were still unfolding at night, including forward deployment of warships in northern Arabian Sea and total breakdown of the LoC ceasefire.
But apparently, we can't believe any news outlet according to several of our forum members. So, I will wait for official confirmation.
Times of India - reasonable source.
Senior officer - plus
Anonymous senior officer - minus
Statements -
- no face saving exit for Pakistan (that is for Modi/Cabinet to decide, this is what he was told, but he cannot decide)
- forward deployment of warships in the northern Arabian sea (what does "forward deployment" mean beyond the being about 250km from Karachi?)
- total breakdown of the LoC ceasefire (multiple reports, including official statement in morning brief.)
(e.g.,https://www.pib.gov.in/PressReleasePage ... ID=2127670 )
- counterstrikes at night (striking what?)
Not sure what the problem is.
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Disclaimer: The information in this article is based on unverified reports and rumors circulating on social media. No official confirmation has been made by the Pakistan Army or government regarding the alleged events. Readers are advised to treat these claims with caution and wait for further updates from reliable sources.
So did we lose one or more Rafales? Reading the news it does seem that India lost at least one Rafale (BS-001). What stops India from categorically denying the loss if it did not happen?
Shashi Tharoor does well on the information war front with al-Arabiya. Eloquently explains the history and reasons for India's actions, that India is the status quo power, Pakistan is the revisionist power. Explains the significance of Sindoor. https://youtu.be/DvHFDoD-JwY?si=eskRDb2BI4QA-CXi
Harish wrote: ↑09 May 2025 05:06So did we lose one or more Rafales? Reading the news it does seem that India lost at least one Rafale (BS-001). What stops India from categorically denying the loss if it did not happen?
What is the expert opinion on this forum?
dude, why not just wait for news instead of trying to generate it
Sometimes, silence is also patriotic
what does it matter what the forum thinks when there is no real news to base such opinions on
Harish wrote: ↑09 May 2025 05:06
So did we lose one or more Rafales? Reading the news it does seem that India lost at least one Rafale (BS-001). What stops India from categorically denying the loss if it did not happen?
What is the expert opinion on this forum?
Because if it is true, India knows well its huge population of dhoti-shiverers; and if it is false, India knows that a categorical denial by the entire Cabinet including Prime Minister will not stop the Indian dhoti-shiverers from raising further doubts.
Thirdly, uncertainty is also a weapon of war, and India's military leaders might have some good reason to wield it in this case.
Fourth, purely imaginary case here - e.g., an Indian plane is shot down over India, the pilot ejected safely but fell in Pakistan territory, but doesn't yet seem to have been spotted by the Pakis. Lack of clarity of whether a plane was lost should be maintained until the pilot is safely back home.
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Harish wrote: ↑09 May 2025 05:06
So did we lose one or more Rafales? Reading the news it does seem that India lost at least one Rafale (BS-001). What stops India from categorically denying the loss if it did not happen?
The disinformation or misinformation coming from pro-India sources is something that is VERY needed. On 26/11 in 2008, accurate reporting allowed the TSP army to coordinate maximum in killing civilians & security personnel and property damage. Accurate reporting provides succor & relief to the enemy where his plans are working and where they're not. Then add TSP supporters in the PRC, western governments, organizations, and racists who are all anti-India that have their own agendas. The SM warriors & Indian TV channels counter this and have provided a pro-India narrative which serves to demoralize the TSP RATS.
We should all be applauding the pro-India narrative whatever it may be during Operation Sindoor!
"Joking aside, I have no idea if any planes were downed. I doubt it... but .. things happen ... We (USA) just lost a fighter because an aircraft carrier turned too quickly. Sxxx happens in conflict zones. It's a non-stealth fighter. I just haven't seen any hard evidence yet."
Mort Walker wrote: ↑09 May 2025 05:24
The disinformation or misinformation coming from pro-India sources is something that is VERY needed. On 26/11 in 2008, accurate reporting allowed the TSP army to coordinate maximum in killing civilians & security personnel and property damage. Accurate reporting provides succor & relief to the enemy where his plans are working and where they're not. Then add TSP supporters in the PRC, western governments, organizations, and racists who are all anti-India that have their own agendas. The SM warriors & Indian TV channels counter this and have provided a pro-India narrative which serves to demoralize the TSP RATS.
We should all be applauding the pro-India narrative whatever it may be during Operation Sindoor!
I hope everyone sees the difference between eye-witness reporting on live action, which can put personnel's lives in danger or ruin an operation, remaining silent without providing any information, and pushing the narrative that India's military leaders and government want to push.
If Government/Military want to remain silent about some damage or lack of damage, it could be for many reasons, ranging from morale, to not letting the enemy make an accurate estimate of the efficacy of their attack. I can think of other reasons, but will stop with this.
TSP Rats just have to catch you in one fake news item, and your credibility ends, and they will no longer be demoralized by anything you say.
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bkswarti wrote: ↑09 May 2025 04:42
Hey guys. I got a WhatsApp message from a family member who is in the IA. Looks like they are attacking Jammu again.
Edit: looks like Pakistan is attacking the same locations again. But with information regarding where our SAMs are.
Just another update. Some interceptions over Amritsar also.
Nothing hit on ground in Jammu is what I have heard but not sure.
If we lost a Rafale we will get that in tomorrow(err today's) briefing. If Pakis lost their planes we will know that too. However, from tomorrow we all need to request EAM that briefing is needed every 12 hours or even 6 hours given the dynamics of the situation. I am sure they can find the people to do it. That will reduce misinformation campaigns if any. 24 hour briefing is long period when we don't know much and have to rely on our colorful DDM . They also killed a lot of twitter handles so information is dry now. We are at war and I do like how tight lipped our defense department is operating. That is good. But citizens also need to have some info to counter the narrative Pakis are creating in the world media.
Harish wrote: ↑09 May 2025 05:06
So did we lose one or more Rafales? Reading the news it does seem that India lost at least one Rafale (BS-001). What stops India from categorically denying the loss if it did not happen?
What is the expert opinion on this forum?
The Govt/Armed Forces will provide a post-ops BDA (Battle Damage Assessment). Till then, speculation is pointless.
The goal here is not to focus on Rafale, but rather on political/military objectives being met. Air HQ has confirmed that all pilots are accounted for. Look at the bigger picture ---> The IAF entered heavily contested airspace and engaged all targets with success. Valuable data has been collected on all Chinese maal (i.e. J-10, HQ-9, JF-17, etc) that have been engaged with for the first time. Will help India immensely when the balloon goes up with China.
P.S. We just crossed Japan to become the fourth largest economy in the world. In conflict, equipment is lost or damaged. Not a big issue at all. If any aircraft were lost, they can and will be replaced.
Don't understand the fixation of some about our losses?
In war, one should be more interested in enemy's losses and our victories. Rest, god will take care. Jai Maa Bharti ki Sena!!
https://x.com/ANI/status/1920540356472377603 ---> A Pakistani Air Force jet has been shot down in the Pathankot sector by Indian air defence, multiple sources tell ANI. More details awaited. Official government confirmation awaited.
Worst part of watching Indian news is it is usually talking heads instead of proper summaries .and then 1 channel has a siren as the background track…. Kill me please!
So it appears most of the war news, shoot downs, navy activity was hot air. Some minor AD activity against drones etc being passed off as full scale declaration of war.
Should folks fly back to India in next 8 hrs or defer for a few days?
Rakesh wrote: ↑09 May 2025 05:50https://x.com/ANI/status/1920540356472377603 ---> A Pakistani Air Force jet has been shot down in the Pathankot sector by Indian air defence, multiple sources tell ANI. More details awaited. Official government confirmation awaited.
I am assuming the news below ties into the news above....
https://x.com/IndiaToday/status/1920536000264352155 ---> India's air defence system shot down Pakistan's F-16 and two JF-17 aircraft after Islamabad launched attacks at multiple locations in Jammu and Punjab, government sources said. India also shot down Pakistan’s Airborne Warning and Control System (AWACS) inside its Punjab province, sources said, adding that it fell on their side. Meanwhile, drone attacks have also been foiled in J&K's Udhampur and Rajasthan's Jaisalmer, and a drone was shot down in Akhnoor. Two Kamikaze drones were also shot down in Poonch.
A_Gupta wrote: ↑09 May 2025 05:34
I hope everyone sees the difference between eye-witness reporting on live action, which can put personnel's lives in danger or ruin an operation, remaining silent without providing any information, and pushing the narrative that India's military leaders and government want to push.
If Government/Military want to remain silent about some damage or lack of damage, it could be for many reasons, ranging from morale, to not letting the enemy make an accurate estimate of the efficacy of their attack. I can think of other reasons, but will stop with this.
TSP Rats just have to catch you in one fake news item, and your credibility ends, and they will no longer be demoralized by anything you say.
It doesn't matter what TSP RATS say about Indian media. CNN, BBC, NYT, WaPo, Telegraph, Reuters, Bloomberg are full of shit about India 99% of the time. I say we need 100 more Arnab Goswami's and Major Gaurav Arya's shouting as loud as possible! Put the Indian narrative out there.
Harish wrote: ↑09 May 2025 05:06
So did we lose one or more Rafales? Reading the news it does seem that India lost at least one Rafale (BS-001). What stops India from categorically denying the loss if it did not happen?
ritesh wrote: ↑09 May 2025 05:47
Don't understand the fixation of some about our losses?
In war, one should be more interested in enemy's losses and our victories. Rest, god will take care. Jai Maa Bharti ki Sena!!
Folks I strongly urge you to desist reporting or soliciting indian losses. It exposes to enemy military what tactics produced a specific result or reaction, or plain fruitification of their psyOp and information warfare.
There is a reason why China has till date not reported or accepted its Galwan casualty (dead or injured) !!
There is a reason Porkistan has not accepted Balakot kill of W/Cdr Abhinandan.
Why the IT/wity youngistan has abject khujli to think it has 50% more IQ than indian military command. So please SHUT UP and analyze things that brings to light aspects that help your motherland. Else you are unwittingly being a fifth coloumnist.
I have seen and remember all wars since 1965, so please give me liberty to lecture on this matter.
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Bharat Mata ki jai.
Jai Bhavani
Jai Kaali Khappar wali
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Harish wrote: ↑09 May 2025 05:06
So did we lose one or more Rafales? Reading the news it does seem that India lost at least one Rafale (BS-001). What stops India from categorically denying the loss if it did not happen?
What is the expert opinion on this forum?
The Govt/Armed Forces will provide a post-ops BDA (Battle Damage Assessment). Till then, speculation is pointless.
The goal here is not to focus on Rafale, but rather on political/military objectives being met. Air HQ has confirmed that all pilots are accounted for. Look at the bigger picture ---> The IAF entered heavily contested airspace and engaged all targets with success. Valuable data has been collected on all Chinese maal (i.e. J-10, HQ-9, JF-17, etc) that have been engaged with for the first time. Will help India immensely when the balloon goes up with China.
P.S. We just crossed Japan to become the fourth largest economy in the world. In conflict, equipment is lost or damaged. Not a big issue at all. If any aircraft were lost, they can and will be replaced.
i like how on one hand people are chiding Arnab and indian twitter handles for "fake" news but then will do randi rona a few months from now about how pakis "won the information warfare and how Mudi should rejine".
Wake up and pick a side, propaganda is how you win "information" war. Before you go on with your "hurr durr i'm too sophisticated for Arnab's shouting, he ain't no BBC" BS please consider that those things might not be intended at your "oh imma theoretical physicyst PhD living in USofA" ass.
Lel, I don't think anyone is advocating non usage of half truths and untruths as means of communication, but let this place be an area of true truths while everywhere else any sort of comms continues unabated and breathless
ricky_v wrote: ↑09 May 2025 06:22
Lel, I don't think anyone is advocating non usage of half truths and untruths as means of communication, but let this place be an area of true truths while everywhere else any sort of comms continues unabated and breathless
And let the Armed Force's version of events be the foundation on which to rest "our" area of true truths.
S_Madhukar wrote: ↑09 May 2025 05:52
Worst part of watching Indian news is it is usually talking heads instead of proper summaries .and then 1 channel has a siren as the background track…. Kill me please!
Yeah and then BRF members are asking us to capture the videos displayed by them Getting to understand what they are saying and separating what is news and what is their opinion in itself is a big challenge
DD News is a bit better. But then we are not getting the hot updates these channels come up with.
. They also killed a lot of twitter handles so information is dry now. We are at war and I do like how tight lipped our defense department is operating. That is good. But citizens also need to have some info to counter the narrative Pakis are creating in the world media.
Getting to understand what they are saying and separating what is news and what is their opinion in itself is a big challenge 
