Operation Sindoor - Bharat Strikes Back: Jai Hind!

[A_Gupta]

"World Bank rules out intervention in IWT amid India-Pakistan tensions"

[vimal]

^^ A_Gupta is that from your own blogpost

[williams]

GoI briefing at 4 PM - DD news

[hnair]

Moist and fluffy towel gets thrown at our face without any provocation! <reaching for Harop>

https://x.com/eadgop/status/1920683116441604197?s=46

Govt of Pakistan appeals to International Partners for more loans after heavy losses inflected by enemy. Amid escalating war and stocks crash, we urge international partners to help de-escalate. Nation urged to remain steadfast

[A_Gupta]

^^^ I will simply quote Gen Shankar that good propaganda is based on truth, and leave it at that. I think people are tired of Indian media and Indian jingo information.

The state of the psychological war against Pakistan, well worth your time.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AS04-Fq5kjg

[A_Gupta]

^^^ Sorry, the World Bank info is from:

https://www.moneycontrol.com/news/india ... e_vignette

[rsharma]

So did we lose one or more Rafales? Reading the news it does seem that India lost at least one Rafale (BS-001). What stops India from categorically denying the loss if it did not happen?

What is the expert opinion on this forum?

That tailfin pic is piss poor attempt at photoshop!
The Paki who posted it and got magnified by Chaineej online Army and their Western contacts,as well as our own Dhoti-Shivering brigades, has steadfastly (ofc) refused to divulge the source of the pic.

[williams]

Unexploded Chinese made PL-15E is found in Punjab - First Post

[Dilbu]

These are some reports still out there.

India Today. Updated on May 9, 2025 00:02 IST India shoots down Pakistan Air Force's AWAC: All about the surveillance jet
Money Control. Updated on May 09, 2025 / 04:55 IST India downs Pakistan’s AWACS: What it does and why its loss is critical

[A_Gupta]

Dud missile near Hoshiarpur

[SSridhar]

Moist and fluffy towel gets thrown at our face without any provocation! <reaching for Harop

Govt of Pakistan appeals to International Partners for more loans after heavy losses inflected by enemy. Amid escalating war and stocks crash, we urge international partners to help de-escalate. Nation urged to remain steadfast

Begging bowl has started . . .

[williams]

MEA Press Conference LIVE Updates: India Retaliates Pakistan's Action With Multiple Strikes


In 23 minutes (if it does not get postponed again)

[ricky_v]

goi is maalik, they can do as they will, but a more belligerent man might equate the deaths in pahalgam and those from shelling activities and ask why blood price for one and not the other? its not like the other was a war, it was a non-escalatory measured attack against terrorists, the death of retaliation then should not be on the ledger of death in combat but rather killed by non-friendly sources, which is the same for the victims of pahalgam

[Dilbu]

So far there is no indication that we have used disproportionate force. Drone attack is being responded with similar attack and shelling is being responded in kind. Continuous messaging from all platforms is that we are doing non-escalatory retaliation. I hope this is only for perception purposes. Unless we are retaliating on a larger scale and taking down significant military assets there will be no real consequence to TSP if we stick to tit for tat attacks.

[Roop]

... if they are only going to read/translate a brief prepared statement, they are just PR props.

That's exactly what they are, and it's not an accident or a misperception. It appears to be a conscious choice of the GoI. I'm not crazy about the decision, but I concede it makes sense in a certain way.

[SSridhar]

That tailfin pic is piss poor attempt at photoshop!
The Paki who posted it and got magnified by Chaineej online Army . . .

The Chinese origin citizens of several South East Asian countries immensely rejoiced at the fake Paki claims because Chinese maal was claimed to have been used.

[Jay]

Looking at flight radar, pakis are reopening their airports. Just in the last 30 mins, around 10 planes took off from Islamabad, & Lahore airports. They would not have restarted these flights if they are still thinking about escalating. Either whatever happened in the last 48 hours is where it stays, or this is a temporary lull before it picks back up in the evening.

[vinod]

Unexploded Chinese made PL-15E is found in Punjab - First Post

This is what doesn't make sense. Even on the night of first attack these missile fragments were found. Were the Pakistanis trying to take a long range shot at Indians? Why didn't Indians respond then like after balakot? Also, if it is a shoot and scoot, why did they waste such Missiles when it is being shot from such distance?

[Shaktimaan]

In a way, tit-for-tat attacks also surrender the initiative to the Pakis. They can escalate as much as they calculate, knowing that the response from India will also be similar. They should face unpredictable and disproportionate consequences.

Pakistani ATMs are running out of cash and unverified reports say withdrawals are limited to PKR 3000.

This country has less than $9 billion in forex reserves, which is less than some Indian companies have on their balance sheets. They are always teetering on the edge of insolvency and war is an extremely expensive business. A few more days of this and they will run out of other people's money to fight.

[Shivaji]

I can see few ways we have broken the pattern.
1. In the past, Pakis used to do some mischief and we used to have briefing followed by deliberation and then action. This time briefing is post action.
2. Earlier we were eager to showcase achievement, trophies, justifying our hits. This time we do not seem to be interested in trophy hunting, but real objective achievement.
3. We are preferring action during day time so that Paki awam can also see how ineffective their Fauj is and leave no doubt on our actions. Paki reaction is during evening / night which suits us as activity would be limited then

Whatever transpired on night of 07-08-May was immediately retaliated and announced in presser post retaliation. So do not discount news reports completely

[williams]

So far there is no indication that we have used disproportionate force. Drone attack is being responded with similar attack and shelling is being responded in kind. Continuous messaging from all platforms is that we are doing non-escalatory retaliation. I hope this is only for perception purposes. Unless we are retaliating on a larger scale and taking down significant military assets there will be no real consequence to TSP if we stick to tit for tat attacks.

I see the approach to be more along the lines of minimizing disruptions to our own economic activity and minimizing unnecessary casualties on our side. Doval Ji understands working of a Paki mind better the most of us here. After all he lived there and watched them for seven years. He knows what will hurt the Pakis more. So right now he would have figured that Pakistan would attack us this way and probably kept our folks prepared for it. I am now very curious on what the next move will be. There is something big we are all missing

[vimal]

India seems to be missing the initiative. Only reaction.

[williams]

Paki air fields: Courtesy - Nitin Gokhale

[ricky_v]

the media is blaring befitting reply to ceasefire violations, the previous goi presser had stopping this ceasefire violation as well, whats this viewpoint? 40 odd deaths, 60 injuries on our side, is this what a befitting reply looks like when we tie our hands to our backs and play hopscotch on paki airspace? who speaks for the deceased in these ceasefire violations that are definitely not part of any war

[Deans]

the media is blaring befitting reply to ceasefire violations, the previous goi presser had stopping this ceasefire violation as well, whats this viewpoint? 40 odd deaths, 60 injuries on our side, is this what a befitting reply looks like when we tie our hands to our backs and play hopscotch on paki airspace? who speaks for the deceased in these ceasefire violations that are definitely not part of any war

The only befitting is to use 155mm artillery and Pinaka and sent Muzaffarabad to the stone age. After which, we keep either flooding parts of
POK or withhold water.
A large proportion of POKs population is within artillery range vs. a negligible portion of ours.

[Dilbu]

Agree with you williamsji. TSP was always counting on the fear of disruption to economic activity and business environment in India being a deterrent for GOI to take any action. Maintaining normal life in the country while we prosecute TSP for its actions is a very big goal for GoI. However, it is a balancing act.

[Maria]

I am surprised at the utter whining & moaning aka ronna dhona aka w&m aka dhoti shivering here. BRF juniors, calm down.

The Indians have taken a page out of the playbook of Putin, we are doing the minimal here - we are letting them expend their energy and resources in them trying to retaliate. Let them come at us like an enraged bully and get taken down each time.

With the might of the Porky army focused on the Eastern border, the Baluchis are having a field day - whether they have taken Quetta or not. We promised the Pakis this - the next time they hit us, they will lose Baluchistan. That is what is happening. As much as I want the IA to dash across Sindh and link up with the BLA or for an amphibious landing near Gwadar - what is happening is sufficient.

This is the 5th Indo-Pak war in this new age - war is no longer about just about winning new land, it is also about wearing down your enemy. I am predicting that within a week, the whole thing will quiten down. The Porkies will throw in the towel.

However, before that happens - the impulsive behaviour of the Pakis will cause them to lose poop loads of hardware and incur massive casualties.

Guys, ending my 2 paisa here - enjoy the show with your popcorn and drink.

[vimal]

^^ That does not make any sense. To keep Pakistan expending resources India needs to be unpredictable and provide disproportionate response. Keep them constantly busy. But India so far has been completely predictable and reactive giving Pakis all the initiative.

[Prem Kumar]

We all want disproportionate response. But the GOI doesn't want a protracted war, because it plays into China's hands. We want to continue hurting China by moving Manufacturing out of there to us - we are on the cusp of a growth/manufacturing revolution and don't want to jeopardize it

Pakistan must be finished, but by cold, somewhat slow, systematic dismemberment. Am sure this is what MAD must have set into motion

BLA is not yet strong enough to break away Balochistan. Doval knows this. Hence, a hot war now would be a bit premature. The hammer will come down when the Paki tree is sufficiently weakened

On the MIC front too, we are not there yet due to decades of rot. We will be 10X better prepared for the next hot war

P.S:
Vimal: India has been anything but predictable. Everyone thought Modi will attack without warning after a cool-off period. Instead we did on the same day we announced a mock-drill. We used a different set of assets this time. We choose deep targets this time

[ricky_v]

The only befitting is to use 155mm artillery and Pinaka and sent Muzaffarabad to the stone age. After which, we keep either flooding parts of
POK or withhold water.
A large proportion of POKs population is within artillery range vs. a negligible portion of ours.

hear, hear Deans sir.

Another baffling thing, we have multiple reports of border activity, multiple incursion attempts in large parties for khairat, like the terrorists are so keen to cross the border as if there is a laadla aatankvadi freebie being organised here, and everyone is keen to get their hands on it first.
Is this not a cause for more retaliation, not less? like we know that these guys are not teleporting from the 4th dimension, they are walking in from pakistan, if there is ever the time for justified increased usage of firepower, it is quite literally walking to your doorstep about 5 times a day with friends and neighbours, you have the ready made license for a thorough cleansing and not just bravely reacting to repelling would be attackers

like why are we reacting as we are under siege? the news should be flowing with more and more terror dens destroyed, only air crossing border now

[Deans]

Our media management has not really improved, apart from the initial feel good of having two lady officers.

There was supposed to be a press briefing at 10 today, It's postponed. We don't know to when. Reporters on major networks can't hang around the
whole day.
There has to be more detail and some questions answered, otherwise just release statements online, it's more convenient for everyone.

For e.g. without compromising Op Sec. Col Qureshi could tell us:
- What was the volume and calibre of the ordnance used when shelling our positions and civilian areas in Kashmir.
- Any firing across the IB ? If so where and what volume.
- Have we responded in the same sectors, or different areas ?
- Breakup of casualties on our side - I would have expected a pic of the two cute Kashmiri Muslim siblings killed.
- Any idea of casualties on their side.

The air force could tell us how many drones and missiles they intercepted. The Russian MOD - not a transparent organization, gives this info
daily, along with casualties from drones that got through.

[williams]

Pakistani Cantonments - This is a strangely militarized country

[Shaktimaan]

Pakistani Cantonments - This is a strangely militarized country

If this was an x-ray you would diagnose this patient with an extreme case of intramuscular parasite infection like pork tapeworm

[Dilbu]

X account of Karachi Port has changed its stand from no attack to suddenly posting this. May be it has been hacked.

Karachi Port has sustained heavy damage following a strike by India resulting in unacceptable loss of property. Emergency response efforts are underway. Updates on restoration will be provided regularly. We stand resilient.
https://x.com/official_kpt/status/1920723871415611518

[vimal]

Or maybe they are now starting the bheek phase to grab money from gullible people.

[williams]

DM meeting the chiefs. Top brass in fatigues. Also all them in very good mood. It is all maya

Also DM met with DRDO chief today. - DD News

[nishant.gupta]

DM meeting the chiefs. Top brass in fatigues. Also all them in very good mood. It is all maya

Also DM met with DRDO chief today. - DD News

Looks like the Navy chief is reading something from his phone and everyone is laughing at the joke....might be reading some of news channel antics from the night about karachi going for a toss.

[Arima]

X account of Karachi Port has changed its stand from no attack to suddenly posting this. May be it has been hacked.

Karachi Port has sustained heavy damage following a strike by India resulting in unacceptable loss of property. Emergency response efforts are underway. Updates on restoration will be provided regularly. We stand resilient.
https://x.com/official_kpt/status/1920723871415611518

Tone of this message and also Pork Economics affairs begging tweet all point to our side cyber attack on websites.
Let's see..still in fog of war

[ricky_v]

did you guys see this gem, the publication is news weekly if anyone is interested

[chetak]

Our media management has not really improved, apart from the initial feel good of having two lady officers.

There was supposed to be a press briefing at 10 today, It's postponed. We don't know to when. Reporters on major networks can't hang around the
whole day.
There has to be more detail and some questions answered, otherwise just release statements online, it's more convenient for everyone.

For e.g. without compromising Op Sec. Col Qureshi could tell us:
- What was the volume and calibre of the ordnance used when shelling our positions and civilian areas in Kashmir.
- Any firing across the IB ? If so where and what volume.
- Have we responded in the same sectors, or different areas ?
- Breakup of casualties on our side - I would have expected a pic of the two cute Kashmiri Muslim siblings killed.
- Any idea of casualties on their side.

The air force could tell us how many drones and missiles they intercepted. The Russian MOD - not a transparent organization, gives this info daily, along with casualties from drones that got through.

Deans ji,


Our govt guys like to play their cards quite close to their chests.

It has always been so.

They are not going to change now. These guys don't run a leaky ship of state and they have always been paranoid about keeping the press at bay. good or bad is not the point, it is just their way of doing things, consequences be damned

apparently, pappu and his gang were snubbed very badly at the all party meeting because they kept asking (nay, demanding) the govt for details and future action plans because " as the opposition, they claimed that they also had the right to know", especially when they were extending "unconditional support" to the govt

besides, the kind of operational details that you are suggesting be revealed, will never be made public by our MOD.

Even the pakis will not reveal such information

everybody concerned, in dilli and also in many other places are already under 24X7 watch by the intelligence agencies.