Operation Sindoor - Bharat Strikes Back: Jai Hind!

[A_Gupta]

Bing CoPilot (Think Deeper option) - question - "What do the Director Generals of Military Operations typically discuss when starting a ceasefire?"

Answer:

When initiating a ceasefire, Director Generals of Military Operations engage in in-depth discussions that blend tactical precision, operational clarity, and strategic intent. Their conversations generally cover several core aspects:

Clear Terms of Engagement: They establish the precise timing and boundaries of the ceasefire—defining exactly when hostilities will pause, which areas are covered, and under what conditions. This critical groundwork ensures that all units have a crystal-clear understanding of what is expected, reducing potential ambiguity that could lead to accidental violations.

Rules and Communication Protocols: To avoid misunderstandings, detailed instructions are handed down regarding the behavior of troops during the ceasefire. This includes well-defined rules of engagement and robust communication channels. Both sides set up direct lines of communication—often via secure channels—to quickly address any incidents, confirm positions, and facilitate immediate resolution of any unintended escalations.

Verification and Monitoring Mechanisms: An essential part of their discussions revolves around how to monitor adherence. This could involve deploying neutral observers, using surveillance technology, or establishing joint verification teams. These measures help maintain transparency and build confidence that both parties are honoring the ceasefire.

Humanitarian Considerations: Recognizing that armed conflict affects civilians deeply, the DGMO’s deliberate on safe corridors or zones to allow humanitarian aid, medical evacuations, and the safe passage of civilians. These humanitarian protocols are often built into the ceasefire agreement, ensuring that life-saving services can operate without interference.

Contingency and Escalation Response Plans: They also carefully plan for potential breaches. This includes contingencies for rapid re-mobilization of forces, pre-established escalation procedures, and protocols for investigating and responding to any confirmed violations. These measures ensure that the ceasefire is not just a temporary pause, but a controlled environment where the risk of relapse into conflict is minimized.

Integration with Broader Political and Diplomatic Efforts: Lastly, discussions often extend beyond immediate military concerns. The ceasefire is seen as a stepping stone for further political dialogue, so DGMO's coordinate with diplomatic channels to ensure that the operational ceasefire aligns with broader goals for conflict resolution. This dual approach—balancing military caution with political progress—helps secure both the stability of the ceasefire and the groundwork for long-term peace.

These discussions are not one-off briefings; they involve meticulous planning and coordination down to the smallest details. In practice, the ability to translate these high-level directives into actionable, on-the-ground orders is critical. The underlying aim is to establish a secure pause in hostilities that builds mutual trust, reduces risks for both military personnel and civilians, and opens a window for more durable peace negotiations.

[Ashokk]

Reports of air raid sirens in Udhampur & Samba and heavy drone activity in the valley.

[putnanja]

India Today gets you the details of how Pakistan sought a ceasefire with India

https://x.com/IndiaToday/status/1921208838252097755

[Avinandan]

Shouldn't India insist that the Pukes have to vacate PoK/Gilgit Baltistan which is a UN resolution. This should be minimum for ceasefire. Remove all the artillery guns from PoK, which has killed many civilians including one high ranking official in Poonch/Rajouri area. Kashmore is the contention and Pak land has to vacate those territories asap. Infiltration caused Pahalgam massacre of innocents. I don't understand why India did not insist on these as a pre-condition for ceasefire.

+1

Perhaps we are too naive to understand what Modiji, Dovalji, Services Chiefs have in mind. Atleast we should have demanded this recorded request over media from Pakistan for de escalation with an apology

[Cain Marko]

This is great news! India won everything it wanted except maybe the war on social media (who cares!), and even that is undecided yet.

India just spanked and leashed a rabid dog. One may want to put it down permanently, but this risks getting bit. Not worth it. Next time it barks, the leash will be tightened.

India shouldn't spend a single day in any recovery or rebuilding, every moment should be spent in building up. Hopefully it strikes a sweet trade deal in return.

Kudos to modi & co. (And of course the forces and scientists).

[A_Gupta]

From the Bing CoPilot answer, I think the "Clear Terms of Engagement" and "Rules and Communications Protocols" are what the two DGMOs will discuss on May 12th.

[Hriday]

Firing started in the border. Unbelievable! Pakistan is literally slapping the face of Trump. Can anyone suggest what is the thought process of Pakistan?
From a Jammu resident.

https://x.com/Vikspeaks1/status/1921217 ... 84uWw&s=19

Got confirmation from a local relative that three villages are under heavy shelling near the RS PURA sector. People returned thinking it's a ceasefire now they are trapped. India heavily retaliate.

[Ashokk]

Here we go again -
https://x.com/MeghUpdates/status/1921222496117830131

Pakistan violates ceasefire along LoC in RS Pura, Akhnoor, Chamb & Bhimber. Heavy mortar shelling underway.

This time we should keep in mind that "we are a growing economy and stand to lose much if we extend ourselves too much" and ensure that "we keep control of the narrative and maintain proportionality".

[KL Dubey]

Bing CoPilot (Think Deeper option) - question - "What do the Director Generals of Military Operations typically discuss when starting a ceasefire?"

A_Gupta, there is no "starting a ceasefire" question here. The directions for "halting military action" are already given with effect from 1700 IST today, i.e. already in effect. Try feeding it a different question.

[williams]

I also have another question to Gurus here. Since the Pakis are denying that we have ever hit them. Why cannot we continue to hit them but not announce it to the world? We know Pakis have zero AD capability. We know we have the range and capability to take out their bases. Whey not take them out but not announce it?

[KL Dubey]

Firing started in the border. Unbelievable! Pakistan is literally slapping the face of Trump. Can anyone suggest what is the thought process of Pakistan?
From a Jammu resident.

https://x.com/Vikspeaks1/status/1921217 ... 84uWw&s=19

Got confirmation from a local relative that three villages are under heavy shelling near the RS PURA sector. People returned thinking it's a ceasefire now they are trapped. India heavily retaliate.

I also think the US sarkar is confused here. Trump, Vance, and Rubio have been putting out a range of statements from "none of our business" to "please stop immediately". I think some people have gotten fooled again by the tweets on X...there have been similar tweets declaring success on the Russia-Ukraine war, only to change to "will walk away from this" the next day.

[Ashokk]

I also have another question to Gurus here. Since the Pakis are denying that we have ever hit them. Why cannot we continue to hit them but not announce it to the world? We know Pakis have zero AD capability. We know we have the range and capability to take out their bases. Whey not take them out but not announce it?

To a similar question in the previous thread, the arguments given were that "we are a growing economy and stand to lose much if we extend ourselves too much" and we need to ensure that "we keep control of the narrative and maintain proportionality".

[saip]

If there is a cease fire, why there are NO flights operating over Pakistani airspace? Zero flights.

[putnanja]

There is chatter on Twitter that couple of missiles were fired and there are drones sighted in Jammu border. Like I said earlier, pakis have a BDSM fetish, the more they are thrashed, the more they ask for. Golden opportunity to pull down their knickers and spank them harder

[Trikaal]

Lessons learnt:
1. Drone warfare is the future. While we intercepted 95%+ drones, we need to create cheaper alternatives so that the cost of defense is not disproportionately higher than cost of attack.
2. All border towns and cities need bunkers and iron dome like city-wise protection. While current AD is good, we can always improve it further, especially with more indigenious systems.
3. American coercive power is displayed yet again. We need to fastrack indigenization of critical military equipment like aircraft engines
4. Cold start capabilities need to be improved further. It took 15+ days for us to get ready to respond to Pakis. While that's not bad, we should be able to reduce it to a couple of days at max.
5. Non kinetic measures like Indus water divergence through canals need to be carried out at war footing so that Pakist think a 100 tumes before even attempting another strike in the future. We need to make them walk down the proverbial gangplank.

[Ashokk]

Seems we have incoming
https://x.com/MeghUpdates/status/1921223874122768422

Blackout implemented in Barmer, Rajasthan with IMMEDIATE EFFECT.

[Dilbu]

India made a short statement accepting the peace pause. Did we see a confirmation from TSP side?

[Ashokk]

Reports of blackout and sirens in Srinagar, heavy shelling ongoing.

[gakakkad]

Time to decapitate

[Jay]

If there is a cease fire, why there are NO flights operating over Pakistani airspace? Zero flights.

Yup, still zero flights. Since the ceasefire was announced more than 4 hours ago, just 1 flight operated in the paki airspace. I have a feeling that this is not over yet.

[Shaktimaan]

The reports of ceasefire violations tonight may be pointing to a breakdown of command and control in the Paki army. Orders may flow down from Isloo, but the new generation of pious bearded local commanders may not be willing to take orders from apostate whiskey drinking jernails

[Dilbu]

I hope they will get out of this Sindoor briefing and start issuing proper statements from now on. It has added to the confusion.

We now have the moral and military license to go for the kill.

[Ashokk]

J&K CM
https://x.com/OmarAbdullah/status/1921224682159661251

What the hell just happened to the ceasefire? Explosions heard across Srinagar!!!

[Dilbu]

The reports of ceasefire violations tonight may be pointing to a breakdown of command and control in the Paki army. Orders may flow down from Isloo, but the new generation of pious bearded local commanders may not be willing to take orders from apostate whiskey drinking jernails

Will India give them time to coordinate and stop this or seize this opportunity now?

[Trikaal]

Pakis showing their true color. If really ceasefire is being violated, we need to give a disproportionate response so hard, they run crying to their abbu Trump. Also, we need to name and shame Pakis in front of the world for violating this ceasefire. No more strategic communication restraint please.

[Ashokk]

Will India give them time to coordinate and stop this or seize this opportunity now?

We need to be careful here that we don't get pulled into a mini Ukraine situation with protracted daily skirmishes, loss of life, disruption to our business and normal life

[A_Gupta]

General Shankar and other generals on @GunnerShot -- India got the experience of fighting Chinese equipment with fighters who handle it better than the Chinese.

[vimal]

- Some poster keep harping about lack of the word Ceasefire in the new whatever version of document as if Pakistan has ever cared for it in the past. Trump has called for FULL AND IMMEDIATE CEASEFIRE. But Pakis are still actively targeting Indian installation as I type this.
Only Vishwaguru listens to the Americans.

- Why is it so hard for Indians to understand that we are not dealing with a rational state actor?Paki ISI and Military is a parasite which feeds on cycles of violence and hatred against Hindus. They cannot give up their cause.

- As for economy (another tired argument), every time we let the Pakis go, it becomes exponentially more expensive to contain them. 65, 71, Kargil, Pulwama the list is endless. Like BVR they will learn and adapt quicker than Indians because their forces don't have to deal with any bureaucracy.

- Completely gives away the initiative to Pakistanis.

[Ashokk]

Red streaks light up Udhampur skies as Indian air defence INTERCEPTS Pakistani drones amid blackout.
https://x.com/MeghUpdates/status/1921228412116496436 [video]

[vijayk]

BREAKING: Confirmed—Big Pak drone attack over Srinagar, being engaged by our air defences.

[williams]

Looks like Paki generals did not read Trumps tweet nor they saw MEA briefing.

[A_Gupta]

Ah, what is in effective is a pause in military activity, not a ceasefire.

[Ashokk]

Reports of close combat fighting in Sundarbani area.

ADS activated in Barmer

Possibly pakis have managed to infiltrate SSG/terrorists (are they diff?) in Battal area.

[Avinandan]

Ashok ji,
I humbly disagree.

1. India should show live feed of Pakistani attacks at India to the world
2. Followed by a Shock and Awe of attacks using conventional methods using long range cruise missile attacks to about 500 targets
3. Give ultimatum to Pakistan to publicly issue apology and request for ceasefire
4. Suble hint to World powers that either they are with us or with Pakistan. No direct or indirect support military will be tolerated.

With this, I doubt Pakistan would be able to continue mini Ukraine situation.

[Hriday]

From Collector of Barmer, Rajasthan.
https://x.com/BarmerDm/status/192122139 ... 2A40Q&s=19

URGENT ALERT
*INCOMING AIR RAID*
Urgent blackout to be observed in the district.

DM Barmer

[putnanja]

Well, yesterday 11 airbases were targetted. Hoping tonight, all their army HQs are targetted by brahmos. They are perpetual liars and till they are beaten to an inch of their lives, paki army won't reform. I think paki army thought only PAF bases were targetted, which they consider inferior to the army, as army calls the shots. Thought they were more powerful and India can't do much.

Now, lets get those brahmos out and strike 10 of their Army HQs, they will come crawling back for another ceasefire.

[KL Dubey]

Looks like Paki generals did not read Trumps tweet nor they saw MEA briefing.

He is likely playing golf at Mar-a-Lago 10,000 miles away and very likely does not understand the situation. The comment on "they've been fighting for 1000 years" is probably the limit of his understanding of this issue.

[Ashokk]

Ashok ji,
I humbly disagree.

No ji please. I fully agree with you. That comment was made sarcastically in response to some advice I got in the previous thread.

[Trikaal]

Destroy every military installation from which these drones are being launched. Laaton ke bhoot baaton se nhi maante.

On a side note, we don't seem to have the Porkies ability to send 300-400 drones inside their airspace every day. While it may not achieve any military objectives, its psychological impact on aam abduls will be immense.

[Shivaji]

The reports of ceasefire violations tonight may be pointing to a breakdown of command and control in the Paki army. Orders may flow down from Isloo, but the new generation of pious bearded local commanders may not be willing to take orders from apostate whiskey drinking jernails

This is quite possible. Two more data points:
1. Paki minister Attaullah Tarar was in UK today when his country is in war
2. Chinese trade negotiation team walked out of meeting with their US counterparts

DS probably wants to make Trump fail in all the dealings he gets involved in.

Ceasefire was tweeted by Maryam Nawaz and Ishaq Dar.