Operation Sindoor - Bharat Strikes Back: Jai Hind!

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LakshmanPST wrote: 11 May 2025 10:12 Reason why this Ceasefire narrative is not going down well with many in India public--->
1) Many feel damage should have been much more on Pak side...
2) Pakis are going around declaring it as some sort of victory while Indians are very silent about it...
3) There seems to be no regret on Pak side for carrying out terror attack... Atleast not in their public statements...
4) Paki's H&D was not damaged enough... Their media management in international media seems to have done its job well...
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If not complete destruction of Pak, Indian public wanted visible regret from Pak side... That seems to be missing for now...
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The hope in tomorrow's meeting, we impose the following conditions as a minimum to indefinitely extend the ceasefire--->
1) Statement from Pak that they'll not sponsor any terrorist activities in future...
2) Handing over of some big terrorist heads to India...
3) Dismantling of complete terror infra in Pak...

Otherwise, all this attack and build-up would have been for nothing...
We aleady "sent a message" to Pak back in 2019 and Pakis did a major terror attack again within 6 years... We even called their nuclear bluff back then...
So, this time we should be doing much more than merely sending a message...
I disagree. Unlike before, we hit the headquarters of some of these terrorist organizations. Deep within Pakistan. We killed their families as well.

Really shows to these terrorists that Pakistan can’t protect you and India will find and kill you wherever you are. We should continue this tactic… assassinations/ car bombs killing these terrorists within Pakistan. Once they know Pakistan can’t protect them, they truly will think twice before attacking India
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https://www.ndtv.com/india-news/india-p ... 84442?s=09
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Here's a timeline:
According to government sources, at dawn on May 10, Indian Air Force aircraft launched BrahMos-A (air-launched) cruise missiles targeting key Pakistan Air Force (PAF) bases. The first confirmed impacts were at Chaklala near Rawalpindi and Sargodha in Punjab province. Both installations hold strategic aviation and logistics value for the Pakistan military.
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Shortly after the strikes, Indian intelligence agencies detected high alert messages flashing across Pakistani defence networks indicating a belief that India might next target Pakistan's nuclear command and control infrastructure.
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It was at this juncture that Pakistan reached out to the United States for urgent intervention.
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But the alert around strategic assets led Washington to step in more decisively.
The US, while maintaining a neutral posture in public, is understood to have conveyed a firm message to Islamabad: use the official military hotline and de-escalate without further delay.
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New Delhi did not engage in mediation and instead signalled that the Indian armed forces were prepared for the next phase of escalation, which would have reportedly involved coordinated strikes on energy and economic targets, as well as deeper strategic command structures, government sources said.
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The past few days have been very interesting. Lots of noise and very little signal on specific details. It's also clear that, having been mostly disconnected from BRF the past few days, the perspective here is more unique. Amidst the noise, a lot of important realities risk being lost, despite several posters, e.g. Anujan, covering them:

+ Establishment of new boundaries

This is the most important takeaway. Terror HQs, PA/PAF locations, all are both fair game and demonstrably within reach. On day 1 and 2, there were fears of escalation into full nuclear conflict, with India going beyond the clinical strikes on terror HQs and instead hitting PAF/PA establishments. But this turned out to be very sub-threshold.

Historically, Pakistan sends irregulars who do something spectacular. India then tries to carefully navigate its own self imposed and constrained boundaries. Attacking PAF/PA locations far inland, GHQ itself, plus terror HQs was not just incredibly escalatory before, but just not politically or militarily possible. It's just not the done thing to target Nur Khan and Sargodha.

Posters may prefer that GoI have just flattened them. But hitting them at all, and hitting them very precisely also conveys a message - the engagement boundary is no longer the LoC/IB but wherever within Pakistan, with warning hits on each of their most hardened military facilities.

* Growing power differential

At one time one TSP soldier was equal to 10 Indian soldiers. Today though, one Indian economy is equal yo 11 TSP economies, up from under 4 in 1971:
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More in xitter post. India has added more than one TSP to its economy every year in the 2020s.

As such, the parameters of engagement have changed. They're not really capable of truly threatening India anymore. What's more revealing this time is they're also no longer in a position to define what the boundaries are anymore. Further, the new boundaries now lie within their territory - they don't have the ability to define them within Indian territory. This is mostly because of the shockingly good strength of Indian ADS.

* Artillery and standoff capability is the future, artillery and cavalry are secondary

I knew nothing about our drone capabilities and very little about our ADS. It's clear however, that both are extremely - astonishingly - good. Across guns /Akash / MRSAM / S400, the Indian ADS was a revelation. Simultaneously, TSP's being relatively ineffective was also a revelation. It's fairly clear India simply chose to demonstrate it can hit every major base, but didn't go further than that. It's also rather clear that this capability is very recent - I wuold not have expected this even during Balakot era, i.e. half a decade ago.

* Survival is victory for Pakistan

Their assertions that they've won are very interesting. Fundamentally, they will now celebrate having survived. If you run across a grizzly and survive with some scratches, it's a victory. The problem is the grizzly was just warning you. So, I agree that they have achieved victory. The problem is that India wasn't fighting them in that war but was doing something else.

Regardless, every instance of survival is victory. Ten years ago, India hitting {insert all air base and terror HQ names} would be unthinkable. Today, the fact that it didn't go beyond a few hits is victory. Tomorrow, whatever new threshold - e.g. India flattens one base but then hurriedly does ceasefire - will also be victory. This is normal. That's how they function.

* Substantial evolution from Balakot

Regardless of what really happened or did not in Balakot, Indian capabilities were not sufficient to deliver fully on the intent then. It's clear that 6 years hence, things have dramatically changed. Manned air combat has been replaced by drones and PGMs, with the ADS being the major differentiator in being able to hit without being hit.

What's likely to follow ?

* India should dramatically scale up its already successful ADS. Ensure Srinagar has the best in class, including against attack drone swarms. Every major Indian city will need an ADS, but especially NCR, Chandigarh, major Punjab cities and also places like Somnath and Ayodhya. The Indian MIC needs to be backed to deliver this. However, this plays to India's strengths - a vibrant drone ecosystem and what has historically been the strongest part of the MIC - missile development.
* The engagement boundary has been moved from the LOC/IB to wherever is deemed necessary within TSP. This should continue. Once in a while, India should combine intelligence with this capability to take out Chinese supplies down KH or an arriving Turkish freighter. This is now sub-threshold.
* Drones will also likely be augmented by UAVs/UCAVs - India needs to urgently focus on these. There's also a far better situation around propulsion development in this space vs manned fighter turbofans. UCAVs are far friendlier for the purposes of Indian intents around the new boundaries of engagement than manned air force platforms.
* TSP will invest in better ADS, but what ? The Chinese will spend a lot of time figuring out why their systems couldn't help. They and the Turks will look at how their drones underperformed. TSP will get better drones and ADS from them. India will need to scale up its own game on both fronts to get around those two.
* TSP can beg for and replace munitions but not food and water. They'll have to now have to make do with less of the latter. Summer will be harsh and a potential political crisis in Islamabad isn't impossible.
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Dasari wrote: 11 May 2025 08:36 The reason Pakistan begged for ceasefire, explained very clearly by the indomitable Shiv Aroor. Everything else we hear is salad dressing.

https://x.com/shivaroor/status/1921211570207568084?s=46
Yes, a true blitzkrieg.

Modi hai to mumkin hai. Very few would have imagined us striking deep and at will, into the heart of the pak geography and defenses.

Also we are cutting off zam-zam. Paks may have eaten grass to become an "atami taakat", but soon there may not be any grass to eat.

Jai hind! Jai jawan!
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LakshmanPST wrote: 11 May 2025 10:12 Reason why this Ceasefire narrative is not going down well with many in India public--->
1) Many feel damage should have been much more on Pak side...
2) Pakis are going around declaring it as some sort of victory while Indians are very silent about it...
3) There seems to be no regret on Pak side for carrying out terror attack... Atleast not in their public statements...
4) Paki's H&D was not damaged enough... Their media management in international media seems to have done its job well...
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If not complete destruction of Pak, Indian public wanted visible regret from Pak side... That seems to be missing for now...
For your points, you shall see reaction of Indians and Pakistanis to Balakot attacks. Our people were happy that threshold was crossed while Pakis had no regrets. For such deracinated lot like Pakis, there can never be damage to H&D as survival against 10 times bigger country is enough kick for them.

Was just watching Aaj Tak and common India public who has moved on with their daily life is upbeat and not counting number of bases attacked, number of posts destroyed.

It is really sad to see knowledgeable folks here spoiling that mood. Glass half full or half empty comes to mind.
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From what I see in international media, they seem to be getting news data points provided by Pakistan.

GoI / MoD / IAF/IA/IN need to better control the narratives that are being published internationally.
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1. Is just not possible, given the deployment of forces on the LOC. We have 20 brigades (some understrength) Pak has 15. Both sides have
decades to prepare defences.
Ok we need to work on fixing this. Perhaps Indian Army could go for special recruitment drive both at officers and NCO level. It should be a good time, since our youth saw what was done in the last 5 days.
2. We have more ports and more infra on the coast. One missile hitting the Jamnagar refinery and the country will panic.
Do you think, if Pakis have the capability to do this and they did not try? I think they tried and failed. They were desperate for some equal-equal attack beyond rhetoric, but never got one.
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Bhailog:
What ever is the reason for Jihadis begging for ceasefire but looking at this from their prospective dont you think the goals have been achieved??
1. Kashmir issue in the fore fornt like Gaza
2. NOT JUST CHIN but also Unkil willing to sample local delicacies.
3. IMF dole not stopped
4. Ummah firmly now behind their cause (check GCC statement and the antics of the Arabs during the conflict)
5. Globally acknowledged Nuclear flashpoint
6. And this is my biggest concern are being Hyphenated again!!
7. Will Trump's visit be like a short stop-over in Pindi or LOOBad!!
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Modiji's silence is more ominous than Shariff's blabbering. As MEA has all along be saying it is just the stopping of firing. Why are only the Paki's allowed to behave irrationally? India could very easily plan a coordinated attack and use the violations of the 'cease-fire' as an excuse to take out multiple targets in one go. The Navy needs to bat too!

No matter how the Paki's and CNN spin this as India backing down, the IWT ain't coming back for sure and the Pakis can go jump off a cliff.
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Modi, Jayashankar, Rajnath, Doval quad has sold India short. Don't know what Trump promised Modi for the ceasefire. Probably nothing. No one is talking. The statement that the next terrorist attack on India would be considered an act of war is ridiculous. Can you imagine if the Americans issued such a ridiculous warning after 9/11 when the two airliners crashed in the twin towers in NYC, that if any more planes fly into our buildings, it will be considered an act of war. 🙄
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I think the actual damage to Pak infrastructure for most folks side on this of border does not matter as much as a hit to the Pakjabi Pride and bombast to celebrate every defeat as victory... there is a feeling that benchmark has not been reached and hence there is :(( :((
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Deans wrote: 11 May 2025 10:18
1. Is just not possible, given the deployment of forces on the LOC. We have 20 brigades (some understrength) Pak has 15. Both sides have
decades to prepare defences.

> Aren't the forces stretched in their fight against the Baloch and TTP?

2. We have more ports and more infra on the coast. One missile hitting the Jamnagar refinery and the country will panic.

> If they had targeted any of the ports/ Jamnagar refinery, their Karachi port would have been taken out, ending their fuel and other supplies.

I would also have liked to see a Pinaka strike on Muzaffarabad and 10 villages obliterated by our heavy arty.

> I agree with the above. Would have at least caused depopulation of PoK to achieve the goal of land with no liability.
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Al Qaeda is not a sovereign state. Very hard to define war against a non-state actor.
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Porks seem to have got senior editors of major western publications in their payroll, possibly aided by their Chinese masters. If so, big coup by them and we should counter this corruption in western media.
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SRajesh wrote: 11 May 2025 10:35 Bhailog:
What ever is the reason for Jihadis begging for ceasefire but looking at this from their prospective dont you think the goals have been achieved??
1. Kashmir issue in the fore fornt like Gaza
2. NOT JUST CHIN but also Unkil willing to sample local delicacies.
3. IMF dole not stopped
4. Ummah firmly now behind their cause (check GCC statement and the antics of the Arabs during the conflict)
5. Globally acknowledged Nuclear flashpoint
6. And this is my biggest concern are being Hyphenated again!!
7. Will Trump's visit be like a short stopever in Pindi or LOOBad!!
Nope Paki terrorist issue came to the fore front. Nobody in the world said India needs to negotiate a settlement on Kashmir. All of them condemned the attack and asked India to find ways to de-escalate.

IMF dole could not be stopped - however given the damage assessment that is slowly coming to the fore today, Pakis will survive but it is not like they are going to grow into a decent economy or something.

Nuke flashpoint thing is always there, but we demonstrated we can strike them with impunity even though they threatened us with nukes.

US and Cuba is also hyphenated. I don't think we care about that anymore.

There is a limit where GoI will dance to Trumps tune. Soon Trump will learn how our babus work by not giving away anything substantial. If he wants to visit the terrorist country he can. We just need to bide our time until our MIC is matured enough after that we can tell the world to go to hell. US needs India on her side when things hit the fan in Taiwan.
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Also to be noted how brazenly TSP denied any drone/cruise missile attacks by them in day 1 when all our channels and people on the ground were showing videos and reporting otherwise.
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rajpa wrote: 11 May 2025 10:48 Also to be noted how brazenly TSP denied any drone/cruise missile attacks by them in day 1 when all our channels and people on the ground were showing videos and reporting otherwise.
There is no real democracy in TSP. Islam do not know democracy. What Mulla says is final.
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Meanwhile: Donald Trump's (re-)tweet earned a Community Note! :rotfl: .. Pakistan broke the ceasefire agreement, brokered by the US, mere hours after it was made - within two hours, to be exact. This move by Islamabad can be seen as a significant snub to Donald Trump and Marco Rubio, one that history will likely remember. By violating the ceasefire so soon after the agreement, Pakistan sent a strong message that seems to disregard the diplomatic efforts led by Trump and Rubio
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rajpa wrote: 11 May 2025 10:48 Also to be noted how brazenly TSP denied any drone/cruise missile attacks by them in day 1 when all our channels and people on the ground were showing videos and reporting otherwise.
Rajpa Ji don't worry about how the common old Abduls (No young people in the west read CNN, Reuters etc) sees Indian capability. The big guys in the west and China know the ground reality and would have made their assessments.
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after doing the hardwork of disrupting their airbases not capitalising on the hard work is very very disappointing, NAC was a ruse to allow a free pass evading air dominance by enemy.

the navy not batting is a matter of concern, it seems mundhra & jamnagar are being protected else KPT was a low hanging fruit and a stinging slap on face of munir
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^^These tweets by Trump and Rubio have been hyped too long.
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BTW 31 Squads of IAF did not matter much against the Pakis but will not fly if China opened another front. And I think Beedes saw what India can do if she wanted.
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^Widening of siliguri corridor is very much a possibility. BDs have it coming.
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The orange clown has now spoken of mediating kushmere and has once again equated us with the pigs. GOI needs to stop the FTA talks till the joker clarifies.
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Williamsji
What Abdools read is hogwash and who cares about that??
What is more important is what the Jihadi English press are selling to the Woke infested EU and EU press and likewise in Yemricas!!
The Echochambers are being activated and toolkits are being prepared!!
Not long before 0.5 front will pick it up and add Mirch Masala to it!!
Shoe-Claw and Chellany are already at it!! What an opportunity lost snatched defeat from jawas of victory yada yada!!
Half the battle is perception and please we have to accept that at least outside of India we are loosing that perception battle!!
Now we can say we dont care but it will rankle everytime some dimwit question EAM in the Press Brief henceforth!!
Also make note of what effect this has on setting up an alternative supply chain to China
And they seem to have informed the west that India is not all that safe
And Chin regardless of being Godless/oneparty communist atleast they are safe!!
And Trump might do a deal with them??
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Bharadwaj wrote: 11 May 2025 11:05 The orange clown has now spoken of mediating kushmere and has once again equated us with the pigs. GOI needs to stop the FTA talks till the joker clarifies.
No need. Get the trade deal and politely say no mediation. He is just a fake friend and so is the US. We need to be a fake friend to them - milk their economic and technical strength and keep growing.
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pgbhat wrote: 11 May 2025 10:44 I think the actual damage to Pak infrastructure for most folks side on this of border does not matter as much as a hit to the Pakjabi Pride and bombast to celebrate every defeat as victory... there is a feeling that benchmark has not been reached and hence there is :(( :((
Public surrender of Pakis with many PoWs taken and India makes territorial gains and doesn't idiotically give back all the gains on the negotiating table. I hope to see that day in my lifetime. I am optimistic. I never thought we would hit Paki air bases and terror camps in the heart of Pakistan as a response to a terror attack but we did. Anything is possible.
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Meanwhile : India's drones 'clean bowled' Pakistan's Rs 15 billion stadium renovation dreams"

The Rawalpindi Cricket Stadium in Pakistan suffered significant damage after a drone attack, forcing the Pakistan Cricket Board to change the venue of the remaining PSL matches. The stadium had recently undergone a massive Rs 15 billion renovation, which now seems to have gone up in smoke.. will disaster never end ... :rotfl:
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rajpa wrote: 11 May 2025 10:45 Porks seem to have got senior editors of major western publications in their payroll, possibly aided by their Chinese masters. If so, big coup by them and we should counter this corruption in western media.
The aam junta in the west hardly cares about South Asia. Most of the folks are so self absorbed with local and white man issues. The biggest thing for most people was the selection of the pope and Hollywood gossip. As a matter of fact, more people have cut their cable subscriptions. Consumption of news from CNN and even local TV channels is on the decline. Most Gen Z are also self absorbed in Instagram and SM.

Indians need to shrug off the need for western media validation. The Indian TV media needs to evolve from a shouting fish market syndrome. I personally like Palki - she is a class act and very witty.

The MEA/ MOD briefings could have been more informative by even using satellite images (Open Source) to show hits to the airbases or destruction of aircraft, any interceptions that were caught on phone camera etc. This would have dispelled the amount of fake videos and images and wild speculation of downing of aircraft (F-16, JF-17, J-10 etc.). The first day debrief was good with images of the destroyed terrorist buildings and images of the bombs being dropped on targets.
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A_Gupta wrote: 11 May 2025 10:45 Al Qaeda is not a sovereign state. Very hard to define war against a non-state actor.
In GWOT, W is for war.
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What actually happened was that our Jingoes expectations went sky high from mere target few terror camps, seeing our military performing superbly. Probably our Political leadership was also taken by surprise and did not rise to the occasion to grant the wish of Indians to finish off Pakistani problem once and forever. Probably there were pressures and pulls from International quarters and they are ready to wait as Pakistan can be trusted for what they do best.
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US saved Pakistan from being thrashed completely. Should remember that
https://x.com/jsaideepak/status/1921178435591774656
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Or, the puppeteer saved the puppet to keep the strings invisible...

We have two challengers from now onwards. U.S and China.

https://x.com/VIKRAMPRATAPSIN/status/19 ... 8250807416
@VIKRAMPRATAPSIN
F16 -USA
J17 & HQ 9 - China
Drones - Turkey

All defeated by India .

https://x.com/InsightGL/status/1921393482876240110
@InsightGL
-While we were busy with confused lap dog #Pakistan
-#USA makes moves in #Bangladesh
-Military equipment has started flowing in from Qatar to B'desh
-Remember I informed about B'desh Army Chief visiting Qatar on 3rd May
-This was the purpose
-Now action starts in Myanmar & Yunnan

https://x.com/OsintTV/status/1921421582469157196
Ye log nahi sudrenge

Members of several terrorist orgns and locals on the streets of Mian Mandi, KP, Pakistan

10-05-2025

https://x.com/ShefVaidya/status/1921429618642342148
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So right now US is claiming credit for the #ceasefire, Pakistan is claiming ‘victory’, and the real undisputed victor of #operationsindoor, Bharat, that demonstrated a clear ability to strike deep within Pakistan with impunity, strike any airbase they want, is surprisingly, silent on the rhetoric. I wonder why. Maybe we will never know!

https://x.com/hukum2082/status/1921418274195243160
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Here you have an airforce which pummelled the adversary into a state of complete shock.A mauling so comprehensive that a whole generation of PAF officers will carry deep scars on their psyche for decades to come.

From Nur Khan to Bholari , the message was loud and clear ; you can run but you cannot hide ! It was not a question of why but when ?

The pièce de résistance of the entire campaign emerged when Chad boys disabled Sargodha’s main runway and then mockingly flew above the airbase as PAF looked on bewildered.

And then to just rub it in , dropped a bunker buster on Kinara Hills to rub PAF’s nose into the ground.The nuclear bluff was called out so loudly that the reverberations were felt from Islamabad to DC. Halwa Atomi Bum !

The
@IAF_MCC
boys at Vayu Bhawan have a very twisted sense of humour which is colloquially called “Haramipan”.When Kinara was bombed one of the older faces in the Ops room gleamed knowingly.He could now hang his boots in peace knowing that ,

“An adversary that proudly calls itself the sole possessor of the Islamic Bomb and guardian of the Caliphate’s nuclear mecca was left devastated by the utter humiliation piled on it”.

This half burnt portrait of Asif Ali Zardari from the smouldering debris of Rahimyar Khan airbase is symbolic. It has in many ways given us a legacy which complements Pakistan’s surrender at Dhaka in equal measure.

Jai Hind ! Jai Hind Ke Sena !
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One of the clear aims of DJT and US is to take on China and their manufacturing prowess. India is the logical replacement. The Deep State faction of US has both pro and con india factions and the current leaning is towards India. For the US the influence that Cheen has on pak land and BD is to be opposed. This is the bigger picture. I think we can leave the hard work to BLA and Afghans to sort out pak land. The US already has a plan for Baluchistan, Afghanistan and J&K fully back to India. Sindh is the only question mark. This cessation of military action may involve such talks in back channels.
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We were too successful with brahmos strikes. Pakis panicked and went to Trump with nuclear threat. Then US pressured India and we folded. Pak is rightly spinning this as a victory (tacitly of the islamic bomb). Bharat is paying for it's chronic disease called PrincipledStanditis. Years of progress made in repositioning ourselves and dehyphenating has come to naught. That's the kadwa sach.
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Luxtor wrote: 11 May 2025 10:36 Modi, Jayashankar, Rajnath, Doval quad has sold India short. Don't know what Trump promised Modi for the ceasefire. Probably nothing. No one is talking. The statement that the next terrorist attack on India would be considered an act of war is ridiculous. Can you imagine if the Americans issued such a ridiculous warning after 9/11 when the two airliners crashed in the twin towers in NYC, that if any more planes fly into our buildings, it will be considered an act of war. 🙄
So what 2 towers crashed in India and how is pahalgam similar to 9.11 that India should go for an all out war vs rabid nuclear state? Is there no sense of proportion?

Think about it... The fooken parliament was attacked, India didn't do squat. 170 people are murdered in cold blood in 26.11, India didn't do squat.

Today 26 citizens have been murdered and India has bombed the shyt out of 9 Pakistani terror centers and hit every major airbase there. You think they suffered no casualties? Do you actually need to see proof for this or is it so hard to imagine what kind of losses such attacks can cause?

You don't see a difference between India action today and those of the past?
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look who's asking for peace



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I'm willing to bet that India has all the proof it needs via satellite imagery and possibly crashed planes that it will trickle out over a period of time, slowly. As and when needed. Now might not be the best time.
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In BRF, did we think we would see these in our lifetimes?

1) Taking out terror launchpads
2) Inflicting a 1:10 kill ratio, avenging our widows
3) Destroying Paki Army posts with impunity & sharing video footage of the same
4) Hitting Lahore, Pindi, Karachi, Islamabad as if their air defenses didn't exist
5) Crippling 9 of their Air Bases + 1 nuclear-storage bunker deep into their hills - Kirna Hilla (kudos to Jaidev Jamwal for uncovering this)
6) Destroying their planes on the ground
7) Hitting Muridke & Bahawalpur (HQs of LeT & JeMs)
8 ) Taking out high-value-targets, Israeli style
9) Doing all of the above while giving a middle-finger to their nuclear bluff
10) The so-called Dhoti-shivering, SDRE Hindu consolidating across caste/political lines to rally behind the Armed Forces & the PM - demanding blood

3 days have changed everything. Removed all blinkers. Busted all lies. Moved the O. Window for good

There are *always* things we could have done better. But now is a moment to celebrate. To savor. To do a lungi-dance. Lets do that!! We have a lot to rub Paki & Chinese noses against, for decades to come!
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Cyrano wrote: 11 May 2025 11:36 Bharat is paying for it's chronic disease called PrincipledStanditis. Years of progress made in repositioning ourselves and dehyphenating has come to naught.
On reflection, mighty USA took 2 wars to get hold of Saddam, that too with multinational alliances contributing forces to the war effort, and without the nuclear dimension. It would have been a miracle if India got hold of Munir with a 14 day mobilization and a short war.
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https://youtu.be/z1eW1OelTGQ
AND FOR A STRANGE REASON Sky News is the only one that seems to be giving hard time to Pakis!!
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Delusions are difficult to fight with weapons. The lack of water, medicine and medical visas will do something for the awam

11 airbases bombed will be difficult to spin. Satellite imagery will come out. I can't wait for the Pakis to say their hangars were empty and full of crows.

Fact is India is more confident, Paki Generals know exactly what happened. And me, I could never have imagined this level of retaliation and escalation. Scope creep is tempting but dangerous. USA in retrospect, didn't get anything by trying to stabilize Afghanistan and running out after 20 years. Getting out after a month would have been the better option.

We didn't get dragged into a war, that's smart. There's no stopping our covert options. I'm sure we will escalate there as well.

I think the glass is 75% full and it has never been fuller since 1971.

We have a lot to celebrate. I request a RR pause of 24 hours.
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