Operation Sindoor - Post Conflict Analysis

anisham · Post by **anisham** » 12 May 2025 14:20

krithivas wrote: ↑12 May 2025 12:36 #sindoor Pakistan ban gaya tandoor.

Any follow up op should be named "Operation sukar tandoor"
Where Sukar is sanskrit for pig

Hriday · Post by **Hriday** » 12 May 2025 15:39

Well known military analyst Cmdr. Sandeep Dhawan writes,
https://x.com/InsightGL/status/19217710 ... fr2TQ&s=19

-In addition to losing 6 aircraft & No of UAVs in air, extensive damage to #Pakistan Air Force on ground
-My sounces suggest over 40 aircraft, including F-16s, JF-17 Blunder, J-10C & UCAVs were damaged beyond economical repair
-PAF has around 400 aircraft & 12% wiped out
-Shame

Mukesh.Kumar · Post by **Mukesh.Kumar** » 12 May 2025 16:27

Prime Minister Shri Narendra Modi will address the nation tonight st 8 PM IST.

ShauryaT · Post by **ShauryaT** » 12 May 2025 17:20

Press Briefing by DGMOs of All Three Services on Operation Sindoor

ShauryaT · Post by **ShauryaT** » 12 May 2025 17:24

Aditya_V wrote: ↑12 May 2025 11:50
srai wrote: ↑12 May 2025 11:40

Would have good to see usage of indigenous munitions
I think some Media Marketing is going on here, clearly Indian Military spokespersons have said Brahmos has been used, as per this only Hammer and Scalp have been used, but we have used a wide spectrum of weapons, IAF has not yet stated in Public domain what weapon Vs Target. So this is just speculation.

And I hope the PA and PAF really believe all this and prepare only for Rafale Hammer and Scalp.

I agree, the compilation is from a lot of initial reporting, and it will change. Will try to update, after the dust settles a bit. Example: Just got a confirmation from above DGMO update, that Kirana Hills was not hit by the IAF.

gakakkad · Post by **gakakkad** » 12 May 2025 17:33

I looked at seismic data from kirana hills. I think they tested.

ShauryaT · Post by **ShauryaT** » 12 May 2025 17:34

gakakkad wrote: ↑12 May 2025 17:33 I looked at seismic data from kirana hills. I think they tested .

Post it here?

gakakkad · Post by **gakakkad** » 12 May 2025 17:41

^ gimme a few hours.

nishant.gupta · Post by **nishant.gupta** » 12 May 2025 17:46

So they realized that sending a nuke towards Bharat will not work since it may fall in their own territory and instead they blew one up in their own country to show that they still are a nuclear power?

Roop · Post by **Roop** » 12 May 2025 18:18

Anujan wrote: ↑12 May 2025 04:41 Pakistan army has always been led by duffers.

This is so true !!

Cyrano · Post by **Cyrano** » 12 May 2025 18:34

ATE CHUET is a former Rafale M pilot
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RAFALE SHOT DOWN? ANALYSIS / DEBUNK OF PAKISTAN'S CLAIM

In this video, we analyze Pakistan's press conference following the attack on May 7, 2025!

Aditya_V · Post by **Aditya_V** » 12 May 2025 18:47

All he does a Million Praises for the Pakis- Professional etc, admits the claim of Rafale Shoot down may be false.

ShauryaT · Post by **ShauryaT** » 12 May 2025 19:53

Is there any credence to some reports of a radiation leak at Nur Khan base? If someone can post a credible source, if true? Thanks.

Rakesh · Post by **Rakesh** » 12 May 2025 19:58

https://x.com/hukum2082/status/1921870966977921062 ---> The Bholari Catastrophe:

It is now emerging that @IAF_MCC Air Ops was keenly monitoring all airborne SAAB 2000 Erieye aircraft over Pakistani airspace. These AEW&C aircraft had been designated high priority targets for #OperationSindoor2. Around 12:00 pm on 10 May 2025, IACCS node in western sector flagged an Erieye landing at Bholari after an extended mission. This specific Erieye from No.3 Sqn 'Angels' call sign "Overlord 3" home based at PAC Kamra had been mission deployed at Bholari as part of Mission Bunyan-ul-Marsoos. The aircraft had been ushered into the hangar to keep it away from surveillance. It is assumed that a few PAF officers were busy with data collection inside the aircraft, as the technical crew prepared the aircraft for the next mission. This turned out to be a huge tactical gaffe by PAF amidst a deadly air campaign. This aircraft should have hot refueled and taken off but did not. It gave ample time for the mighty Flanker to launch a devastating precision strike.

Rakesh · Post by **Rakesh** » 12 May 2025 20:06

For all the MUTUs on BRF who were whining and doing randi rona-dhona when the Rafale deal was signed

https://x.com/VishnuNDTV/status/1921908169519100100 ---> Nothing justifies corruption. Some of us who tracked the Rafale case closely were convinced there was none here to be found. And the Supreme Court backed that belief with a resounding verdict with no dissenting views. Without that Rafale today, the IAF would be at a massive disadvantage with the PAF. This fighter, in the context of India-Pak air battles presently, is worth its weight in gold. Its Scalp missiles have been an incredible force addition to the IAF and they clearly hit their marks in Pakistan. These came fully integrated with the Rafale. Again, without the Rafale and its ultra-long range Meteor, which also acts as a deterrent in the context of long range air to air grinds, the IAF would have been at a severe disadvantage against the PAF and its PL-15s. It was just unbelievable that Rafale ended up becoming an election issue - when it was clear that there was no straight forward evidence of that. Corruption is unacceptable but to score political points off national security issues hurts us all.

Rakesh · Post by **Rakesh** » 12 May 2025 20:07

https://x.com/AnchitGupta9/status/1921863849956848029 ---> Tom Cooper is one of the most respected Combat aviation historians in the world. Austrian analyst, prolific author, and expert on air wars from the Middle East to South Asia. So when he calls India’s air campaign a clear-cut victory — the World listens. #OperationSindoor

srai · Post by **srai** » 12 May 2025 20:10

Cyrano wrote: ↑12 May 2025 18:34 ATE CHUET is a former Rafale M pilot
Activate english subtitles...

RAFALE SHOT DOWN? ANALYSIS / DEBUNK OF PAKISTAN'S CLAIM

In this video, we analyze Pakistan's press conference following the attack on May 7, 2025!

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Pakistanis have held the narrative better internationally. Their version of the story has been reported all over the world.

Another interesting bit is the BVR tactics being used by the PAF and the PLAF. They are firing at every “crank” maneuver not certain what the opponent is doing; waste a lot more missiles but few might end up getting lock-ons, especially when the missile has enough range. Lesson here is that the one that carries the most BVR missiles has a higher chance of winning (albeit at huge cost wastage).

Rakesh · Post by **Rakesh** » 12 May 2025 20:10

https://x.com/ShivAroor/status/1921887512475136203 ---> Difficult to overstate what an amazing picture this is—an officially released photo of the Integrated Air Command & Control System (IACCS) that executed the insane symphony of India’s air defence during Op Sindoor. Heroes all. Happy hunting, India salutes you!

Rakesh · Post by **Rakesh** » 12 May 2025 20:11

srai wrote: ↑12 May 2025 20:10 Pakistanis have held the narrative better internationally. Their version of the story has been reported all over the world.

Another interesting bit is the BVR tactics being used by the PAF and the PLAF. They are firing at every “crank” maneuver not certain what the opponent is doing; waste a lot more missiles but few might end up getting lock-ons, especially when the missile has enough range. Lesson here is that the one that carries the most BVR missiles has a higher chance of winning (albeit at huge cost wastage).

This theory was disproven at Balakot and will be disproven once again, as more details emerge from the air duels that occurred in Op Sindoor.

srai · Post by **srai** » 12 May 2025 20:20

Another point made in that ATE CHUET video with the press briefing by the PAF marshal was that the Pakistanis were focused on targeting Rafales above all else.

Rakesh · Post by **Rakesh** » 12 May 2025 20:20

https://x.com/ShivAroor/status/1921864043469406213 ---> LOL. Chinese satellite firms releasing old satellite images pretending to be damage at Indian bases. Sadly they didn’t account for @detresfa_’s super-sharp eye. Confirms that China needs to fake damage images to help Pakistan fool its population.

https://x.com/detresfa_/status/1921862146356297761 ---> Imagery released by a Chinese firm suggests damage at a structure within India's Adampur Airbase - a site targeted by Pakistan, however when cross-referenced with older imagery the damage predates current incidents & is visible in March 2025 as well.

Rakesh · Post by **Rakesh** » 12 May 2025 20:22

srai wrote: ↑12 May 2025 20:20 Another point made in that ATE CHUET video with the press briefing by the PAF marshal was that the Pakistanis were focused on targeting Rafales above all else.

That was a result of then Air Chief Marshal RKS Bhadauria's statement that with the arrival of Rafales, the PAF will think very carefully.

That triggered them really badly and hurt them. So this whole episode of the PAF shooting down three Rafales, one Su-30MKI and one MiG-29 fantasy story has been in play for a very long time. With the strikes on May 06th, the PAF just played that psy ops into action.

Rakesh · Post by **Rakesh** » 12 May 2025 20:26

VIDEO: https://x.com/TimesAlgebraIND/status/19 ... 9402712506 ---> "You must’ve seen what we did to those overhyped Turkish drones launched by Pakistan" - INDIAN ARMY. Statement of the Day.

Rakesh · Post by **Rakesh** » 12 May 2025 20:27

https://x.com/ndtv/status/1921905898320195677 ---> BJP to launch nationwide 10-day Tiranga Yatra from May 13 to May 23; Aims to reach out to every citizen, highlighting the achievements of Operation Sindoor.

Rakesh · Post by **Rakesh** » 12 May 2025 20:30

https://x.com/hukum2082/status/1921925089009733977 ---> Supurde Khaakh!

https://x.com/prasunKARM43369/status/19 ... 8065414225 ---> Looks great, damage is real.. but this one is an AI gen enhanced image.. line, colour bleed, bloom effect gives it away.

https://x.com/hukum2082/status/1921926557129461761 ----> The original image had to be enhanced. That's about it.

Rakesh · Post by **Rakesh** » 12 May 2025 20:41

https://x.com/joe_sameer/status/1921810652957475283 ---> AVM Aurangzeb spins a slick narrative, with sexy jargon. But here’s the real stat - 70% of PAFs Hi-Tech Fighters were grounded due to airfields cratered by BrahMos strikes on Day 3. With the Pak ADGES in shambles, the Pak DGMO quietly dialled his Indian counterpart!

https://x.com/VishnuNDTV/status/1921816487351783678 ---> This is a fact. The PAF were done for when the BrahMos/SCALPS/Hammers went through. These were minimal strikes. If the IAF repeated this with enmasse BrahMos attacks, the PAF would be finished on the ground.

https://x.com/SJha1618/status/1921823957759508925 ---> And it is precisely to stop those follow through strikes that Pakistan got the Americans to negotiate a ceasefire. But ideally we should not have checked the IAF's operational tempo and gone on for a few hours more.

Rakesh · Post by **Rakesh** » 12 May 2025 20:43

https://x.com/ShivAroor/status/1921931947082682416 ---> Conclusive proof that the PAF hit absolutely NOTHING military in India—@detresfa_ busy busting series of DOCTORED satellite images Pakistan is being forced to make to fool their domestic audiences.

https://x.com/detresfa_/status/1921930487938912573 ---> Another image circulating now claims to show damage at India's Adampur Airbase due to Pakistan's airstrike, however once reviewed against recent images this too has been doctored & manipulated.

Cyrano · Post by **Cyrano** » 12 May 2025 21:14

srai wrote: ↑12 May 2025 20:20 Another point made in that ATE CHUET video with the press briefing by the PAF marshal was that the Pakistanis were focused on targeting Rafales above all else.

They are fighting for bragging rights and privileges that come with a promotion. Not for their country or perhaps not even for their comrades. That's why the misguided and ultimately deadly (for self) focus on Rafales.

Or perhaps Mulla Munir told them they will get extra hoors if they get killed trying to down a Rafale.

What a pathetically sick country!

chetak · Post by **chetak** » 12 May 2025 21:15

The russians have offered the S-500 system for joint production in India

This could be a very interesting proposal - the S-500 Prometheus is designed to take down ballistic missiles and also hypersonic weapons.

BrahMos coproduction has already proven to be a tremendous success

All links talking about this are from youtube, facebook, linkedin et al, so not posting them

Confirmation, one way or the other, is awaited

Cyrano · Post by **Cyrano** » 12 May 2025 21:26

Having spoken to a family member who is at the helm of things of this nature couple of years ago, we will be able to produce an equivalent to S400 if not better (not a copy but fully indigenous) very shortly ie this year.

Russ Collab is welcome but we may not really need it. That's how far we have come.

basant · Post by **basant** » 12 May 2025 22:29

Ambar wrote: ↑12 May 2025 06:06 That's pretty much what Bharat Karnad is saying. Although the man seems to have a strange grudge against Rafale and MoD. Points #3 and #4 is important and in future we must force them to ground civilian airliners else they are fair game.

More actually, elsewhere. To quote:

“Saab Erieye AWACS patrolling silently
J-10C fighters flying in passive mode
PL-15E missiles—the export PL-15E, the domestic variant with over 300 km reach and Mach 5 speed—locked in and fired
The Rafale didn’t even know it was targeted until the missile was 50 km away. At that speed, the Indian pilot had 9 seconds. Not enough to react. Not enough to survive.”

The IAF presence over J&K was sparse in 2 of the 3 days. Why?

“Because every time a fighter lifts off, Pakistani radars pick it up.
Because the Erieye sees what Indian radars can’t.
Because the PL-15 launches from outside Rafale’s threat envelope.
Because the Rafale, once India’s silver bullet, has been turned into a $250 million sitting duck.The IAF now flies 300 km behind its own borders.”

Source: Rafale failed in Sindoor! Rethink this French option for MFA

Rakesh · Post by **Rakesh** » 12 May 2025 22:35

basant wrote: ↑12 May 2025 22:29 More actually, elsewhere. To quote:...

One has to be high on a AAA grade of cocaine to believe the horseshit above, which Bharat Karnad obviously is.

One example --> Even the non-export version of the PL-15 does not do 300 km. The export version (PL-15E) does 145 km onlee. So he just doubled the number and tacked on another 10 km, just to get to a nice round number of 300. Welcome to Lahori Math

S_Madhukar · Post by **S_Madhukar** » 12 May 2025 22:41

Well if we didn’t use AWACs the big one then doesn’t matter which fighter is used

Amber G. · Post by **Amber G.** » 12 May 2025 22:51

Must order it..

williams · Post by **williams** » 12 May 2025 22:58

basant wrote: ↑12 May 2025 22:29 More actually, elsewhere. To quote:

Gents Karnad's analysis is flawed from the start: Some of the highlights here to see through it. Proves why GoI is keeping these armchair generals as far as possible from the real policy makers.

The usual, unsatisfactory, inconclusive end to Sindoor. And that too inside of three days of start of military operations! What is equally surprising is how quickly we accepted US mediation

Just because some joker tweeted it becomes policy? Did Modi or EAM say they accepted US mediation? If people of Karnad's caliber does not have the intellectual honesty to check their sources of info then we need to question their caliber.

There were NO plans to take the Haji Pir Salient or Skardu in the Northern Areas, or to do anything remotely aggressive other than striking Muridke and Bahawalpur

Just because you, the arm chair general thinks Haji Pir Salient needs to be taken, GoI will listen to you. You are demanding 100s of our soldiers to die by second guessing our professional Generals and National security team?

Based on news stories in CNN (https://edition.cnn.com/2025/05/09/chin ... t-intl-hnk), Reuters (https://www.reuters.com/world/pakistans ... 025-05-08/) and The Telegraph of London (https://www.telegraph.co.uk/gift/9caaf214c46509a7), featuring Pakistani claims and US sources supporting such claims.

Are you serious? A visiting scholar of renowned Princeton university is relying on citations from CNN, Reuters and Telegraph? That is what your UCLA master's degree taught you?

PAF’s choices in expenditure are still commendable.

Oh is it? This beggarly nation milking some discounted stuff by selling its people and future is doing a commendable job?

The Indian government and military seem to be so caught up in the cycle of petty military actions and outcomes

There ends the respect for these intellectual know-it-alls. No doubt Congi Govt failed to accomplish any strategic goals for India by keeping these kind of jokers in their strategic advisory payroll.

Rakesh · Post by **Rakesh** » 12 May 2025 23:06

Rafale's success in Op Sindoor is causing a lot of takleef in "certain" quarters. Thus those quarters are sending our their minions to do their dirty work.

Net Result - Karnad's article

Baikul · Post by **Baikul** » 12 May 2025 23:06

Rakesh wrote: ↑12 May 2025 22:35
basant wrote: ↑12 May 2025 22:29 More actually, elsewhere. To quote:...
One has to be high on a AAA grade of cocaine to believe the horseshit above, which Bharat Karnad obviously is.
….

Saar, Karnad’s blog post is actually sourced from a Pakistani psyops article that seems to be everywhere and needs to be combated. It’s certainly made a fool of Karnad.

Please do spend two minutes to read what I wrote on the link below; I’ve repeatedly posted about this because it’s a dangerous misinformation that is recurring and getting stronger.

viewtopic.php?p=2648250#p2648250

Edited to fix link

basant · Post by **basant** » 12 May 2025 23:12

Rakesh wrote: ↑12 May 2025 22:35
basant wrote: ↑12 May 2025 22:29 More actually, elsewhere. To quote:...
One has to be high on a AAA grade of cocaine to believe the horseshit above, which Bharat Karnad obviously is.

One example --> Even the non-export version of the PL-15 does not do 300 km. The export version (PL-15E) does 145 km onlee. So he just doubled the number and tacked on another 10 km, just to get to a nice round number of 300. Welcome to Lahori Math

There are 2 variants of PL-15. The export version has an operational range of 145 km while the domestic version has it pegged at 200–300 km.

suryag · Post by **suryag** » 12 May 2025 23:13

am tempted to delete this BK's analysis, useless, nothing corroborates, the erieye was there during 2019, what nonsense is he talking?

Sumeet · Post by **Sumeet** » 12 May 2025 23:18

Karnad is an idiot who does not understand that besides the limit imposed on export version there are other issues as well. The effective range varies depending on launch platform's speed and launch altitude, plus range is different for a Refueller/AWACS/Transporter type target vs a nimble agile supersonic fighter so even that 145 km will not be fully 145 km for every target type.