Operation Sindoor - Post Conflict Analysis

[Sumeet]

TSP achieves an unachiveable under normal circumstance for India. P Chidambaram praises Narendra Modi.

Operation Sindoor: Congress' P Chidambaram Lauds PM Modi For Strategic Approach Post Pahalgam Attack

Congress leader P. Chidambaram commended Prime Minister Narendra Modi for his measured and strategic response to the Pahalgam terror attack. He praised the government’s careful approach, highlighting the PM’s restraint and thoughtful handling of the crisis. Captain Akhilesh Saxena says “I want to salute the Indian Armed Forces for the way they handled the situation and kept the response very calibrated. We targeted terrorist infrastructure precisely without harming civilians...This is a very responsible statement by P. Chidambaram..” Watch the full video to know more and follow Times Now for the latest updates.

[vonkabra]

https://x.com/AnchitGupta9/status/1921863849956848029 ---> Tom Cooper is one of the most respected Combat aviation historians in the world. Austrian analyst, prolific author, and expert on air wars from the Middle East to South Asia. So when he calls India’s air campaign a clear-cut victory — the World listens. #OperationSindoor

Couldn't find anything in his blog, though I didn't register for full access. Still, not sure why we need validation from Western analysts - what has happened is apparent for anyone to see. If the West wants to believe the Paki tripe, that's because they have their own agenda and nothing we post here or elsewhere is going to change that. As long as the Indian public knows what happened (and, of course, prospective buyers of Indian arms), all others are inconsequential.

And, what is even the point of trying to point out the gaping flaws in the Pakistani's weird and wonderful thoughts? If there is one thing they are supreme at, it is deluding themselves - and if you think about it, their delusions are all they have. Even people living in hell are entitled to have something to cling on to...

[Jay]

One has to be high on a AAA grade of cocaine to believe the horseshit above, which Bharat Karnad obviously is.
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Saar, Karnad’s blog post is actually sourced from a Pakistani psyops article that seems to be everywhere and needs to be combated. It’s certainly made a fool of Karnad.

Please do spend two minutes to read what I wrote on the link below; I’ve repeatedly posted about this because it’s a dangerous misinformation that is recurring and getting stronger.

viewtopic.php?p=2648250#p2648250

Edited to fix link

Very disappointed with how BK is analyzing this situation. I have long given him the benefit of doubt and I took his criticism of IAF's Rafale purchase as him chiding and disappointing with IAF not prioritizing desi products. Him actually sourcing his info from paki sources and quoting them as truth is not a forgivable offense.

[Baikul]

am tempted to delete this BK's analysis, useless, nothing corroborates, the erieye was there during 2019, what nonsense is he talking?

Repeating myself again in thread and elsewhere, Karnad’s analysis is based on a false premise - a fake article that’s a clever and dangerous piece of Pakistani psyops.

What it is, is mentioned in my other posts so I won’t regurgitate all that except to say that this misinfo needs to be understood and highlighted.

[Cyrano]

So each time an IAF plane takes off Paki Eyiree Awacs detects, but after years of planning and days of preparation after the govt has given a free hand, our mission planners did not think of having our own Awacs in the air to support our planes? What kind of pig manure is this?!

[Rakesh]

Mods I want to raise the alarm on a particular Pakistani psyops, an article allegedly written by Telegraph UK
...
This is the only place I thought I could sound the alarm. We need to combat it vigorously

What do you have in mind to counter the narrative?

[Cyrano]

And going by that scenario which suggests that a Rafale was downed within Indian airspace, presumably flying back to base, there should be debris falling somewhere in india. These days when everyone has a smartphone it will be impossible to hide.

And what about the pilot? Our DGMO AF clearly said that all our pilots are back home, while not saying all our planes and pilots are back. So there is some ambiguity there.

In the worst case may be we lost a plane and not the pilot. That's Ok. Planes are expendable, they are not some precious jewels or hangar queens to jerk off over. If any errors were made during the mission, we have learnt something and fixed it. That's life in a professional Air Force.

[Cyrano]

Maj Gen Narayanan and Lt Gen Dushyant Singh, both retired, on a Gunner's Shot session today evening have said that they have been asked by the powers at the highest levels not to speak about Nur and Kirana incidents.
Make of it what you will.

[Anujan]

==== response to previous article deleted =============

Pakistan Air Force unfortunately couldn't prevent attacks on 11 of their air bases because they were busy firing their missiles at very long ranges and maneuvering in very tight circles. They did not expect a ground attack, they thought planes were for air attack.

I'd advice BRFites to please understand real situation, agree and comment on these articles and twitter post with your enthusiastic agreement that India demonstrated her fear of Pakistan Air Force by attacking them on the ground rather than the air. In 1971 too if I recall most Pakistani kills were in the air, many Indian kills of Pakistani aircraft were on the ground. Then too, like now, there were eyewitness reports about how tight the Pakistani pilots could turn and how scared the Indians were and resorted to strafing Pakistani planes on the ground.

I wrote a poem

Brave souls in skies ignite the fight
While lesser hearts bomb ground with fright
The bold in the air with courage gleam
While ground attacks are a cowards scheme.

[williams]

I wrote a poem

Brave souls in skies ignite the fight
While lesser hearts bomb ground with fright
The bold in the air with courage gleam
While ground attacks are a cowards scheme.

Wa wa Ji!! this needs to be permanently pinned in the Bennis thread

[Cyrano]

Anujan saar, take a bow for the post of the year!

[suryag]

Cleaned up the thread of BK's useless analysis

[Amber G.]

I wrote a poem..

My contribution:

- Copy Right - BRF (Please acknowledge if you use it)

Second stanza -

[vijayk]

The Chinese imagery provider Mizarvision appears to be validating IAF strikes in Pakistan ? - undated images but analytical language suggests damage.

[Roop]

Karnad is an idiot who does not understand...

Agreed.

[sanjaykumar]

Please to peek at Dawn. Interesting headlines. Don’t bother reading the full rubbish.

So there is evidence of alternate universes.

[williams]

Please to peek at Dawn. Interesting headlines. Don’t bother reading the full rubbish.

So there is evidence of alternate universes.

Hey they survived the trampling of the elephant for 3 days and managed to make it stop after constant begging. They don't have the right to celebrate national day of begging on May 10th every year?

[saip]

So finally airlines are being allowed overfly Pakiland to India and vice versa

[williams]

So finally airlines are being allowed overfly Pakiland to India and vice versa

Interesting really all the western and northern airports are still closed. Something is brewing,

[chetak]

[SBajwa]

Nur Khan airbase destroyed video

https://x.com/i/status/1921025561624805804



https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GqvUalrakAA ... name=small

[vsunder]

Nur Khan airbase destroyed video

https://x.com/i/status/1921025561624805804



https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GqvUalrakAA ... name=small

First video is Rahim Yar Khan I think not Nur Khan. Chaklala as I have called it since 1960 or Nur Khan as it is known today after AM Nur Khan, is in a very built up area near Rawalpindi. Its close to GHQ. RYK is surrounded by desert type soil as you can see in the video.

By the way its easy to spot the difference between seismic activity and nuclear explosions. I had written a primer on it for BR. It may be in the archives. Seismic activity generates a lot of slower traveling S waves or shear waves, which are transverse waves. Nuclear blasts produce a lot of faster traveling P waves or longitudinal waves. By seeing which part of the seismic signal is stronger, the beginning or the mid section you can at least know if it is nuclear or seismic activity. In addition there is surface waves Rayleigh waves and so on. Shear waves are produced in seismic activity due to tectonic plates sliding past each other and releasing stress. This analysis would have been done very quickly in India. CSIR has about 100 seismic recording stations in India and DAE has a big seismic array at Gauribidanur ( outside Bangalore) to record specifically clandestine tests and such.

[chetak]

VI@WA

2004-2014 = Aman Ki Asha

2014-2025 = BrahMos Ki Bhasha

Bharat has come a long way!

Leadership Matters!!

[D_Prem]

Its absolutely mind blowing what we have accomplished in just a few days.

My Q is - where is Babur, Raad, Hatf-x-y-z? Was it all just smoke and mirrors all along?

How in the world did these Porkis not even manage to get a hit on a single airbase?

If they are so incapable how in the world have we fallen to their bogey all this while?

[vsunder]

There is a fine story about Chaklala airfield from 1971. Brigadier General Chuck Yeager is a very famous cult figure of the US Air Force. He broke the sound barrier and every fighter pilot in the US aspired to be like him. They even made a famous movie about him based on a book by Tom Wolfe.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JcXOyAlGbfE

Well it turns out Yeager became the defence attache to Pakistan at the time of the 1971 war. He claims in his book that he knew nothing of Pakistan but the "Pakistanis impressed the hell out of " him with their flying. So Yeager took to flying around the country in his own plane which he piloted himself and parked at Chaklala. He even would disappear for days at a time as a guest of the PAF and took to giving them advice. When war started he even gave them advice and was highly partisan as written by the US ambassador. He was convinced that the Russians were helping India with the Moss AWACS system. Our Shiv has made a video on you tube about this "jugaad" Indian AWACS called Sparrow, the brainchild of AVM Engineer. Yeager then took to interrogating Indian POWS about the Russian AWACS unknown to his fellow diplomats in the US embassy. One such encounter went with the downed Indian pilot refusing to admit that he knew the name of the "famous" Yeager. Yeager was extremely upset. Insisting the pilot admit that precision strikes at night were being done due to Moss, he hit the pilot and asked him to admit the truth. The pilot replied "Yes, the AWACS is Indian eyeballs Mk 4". A day or two after this Chaklala (Air base Nur Khan) got visited by an IAF strike mission and one of the things totally destroyed was Yeager's plane which he used to fly around Pakiland giving advice to his PAF friends. Now Yeager's ire was really aroused and this was seen in his interrogation of Indian IAF POWs. Eventually the US ambassador had to step in and stop this crazy guy. There is a nice write up of all this.

PC Lal in his book My Years in the IAF mentions some of this story too.

[A_Gupta]

> How in the world did these Porkis not even manage to get a hit on a single airbase?

I believe (without evidence, which is why it is a belief) that the Porki in-charges are busy following their real-estate investments, jockeying for post-retirement positions as Managing Directors in the Fauji Foundation industries, playing politics with the civilian politicians, making foreign policy, trying their hands at fatwas, dreaming of Ghazwa-e-Hind, quoting Muhammad Iqbal poetry and so on, along with less reputable indulgences. Their military equipment is essentially a collection of hi-tech toys.

I heard on Pervez Hoodbhoy's The Black Hole, a Pakistani in the know saying that it is not possible to find qualified crane operators for the Karachi port. How will they find people to put together their defense or offense systems?

Everyone pays lip-service to the "Pakistan Army is a Professional Military". I suspect that it as true as their nuclear deterrent.

I should add that since they fervently believe they belong to a superior culture that no one could have achieved more than them, especially not those Hindu kafirs (except by Black Magic which the kafirs use but which is forbidden to the Momin).

[sanjaykumar]

There was much evidence of impaired judgement. From the initial provocation.

I am beginning to wonder if in fact there is a cognitive insufficiency, possible at the genetic level and not just cultural.

Certainly their governance disincentivises subtlety in political thought. As does their faith in religion.

[manish singh]

While our media is referring to Tom Cooper calling out a decisive victory for India, his blogposts below have some very sobering points about our performance too.

https://xxtomcooperxx.substack.com/p/il ... s-of-cross
https://xxtomcooperxx.substack.com/p/il ... -cross-b6c

Key sobering points from the above blogposts:

- Because India then took more than two weeks to launch its punitive strikes, the Pakistani armed forces were given ample time to prepare its defences.

- As much as the government in New Delhi officially ‘gave free hand’ to its armed forces to act, whether on order from above, or because of their own traditional insistence on procedures and etiquette, the Indian Armed Forces limited their reaction to striking terror-related targets. This is an estranging decision considering terror organisations like TRF/LeT are closely linked to the Pakistan’s Inter-Services Intelligence (ISI).

- Because they were given ample time to ready for India’s punitive counter-strike, the Pakistani armed forces – and especially the Pakistan Air Force (PAF) – were ready. At least one Saab 2000 AWACS was on station (apparently, somewhere in the Peshawar area), and about 20 fighters airborne at the time the IAF air strike. Indeed, the PAF also proved capable of setting up an ‘ambush’ for several of incoming IAF formations. As a result, it definitely shot down

* 1 Rafale EH fighter-bomber, and (gauging by different photographs and videos of resulting wreckage), most likely also shot down
* 1 MiG-29UPG
* 1 Mirage 2000H, and
* 1 Su-30MKI.

- The Indian military etiquette might demand different procedures, but a matter of fact is: giving an opponent enough time to prepare for defence is never a good idea. Also, the fact the Indians were sticking to the unwritten (or written) rule of ‘don’t shoot (air-to-air missiles) over the international border’, does not ‘automatically’ mean that the Pakistanis ‘must’ do the same.

- This resulted in a situation where the PAF was able to ready a nasty surprise for the IAF – in form of obtaining the capability to deploy Chinese-made PL-15 long-range air-to-air missiles from Chinese-made JF-17C fighter-bombers.

- Mind: the radar of the JF-17C has only a maximum detection range of about 150km. With the PL-15 having a maximum engagement range of over 200km, the JF-17C was not supposed to be capable of deploying this weapon to its full capability. Moreover, both Beijing and Islamabad took care to claim the PL-15s delivered to Pakistan are ‘PL-15Es’, an export version with a maximum range of ‘only’ 150km – and New Delhi fell for it. That was a major blunder on the part of the Indian intelligence services.

- This even more so because the Erieye radar of the Saab 2000 has a maximum detection range of about 450km, and it turned out to be capable of cooperative targeting: means, JF-17Cs were capable of launching PL-15s at incoming IAF fighter-bombers while still well inside Pakistan and while the Indians were still well inside their own airspace – or on the best way of withdrawing into its depth. And the Indian intelligence appears not to have been aware of this fact.

- As a result, several of IAF’s formations either flew into numerous PL-15s fired at them, or were hit by these while withdrawing back into India’s airspace. Moreover, nearly all of the IAF aircraft known to have been shot down, crashed to the ground between 80 and 120km deep inside India.

- Presence of intake-covers (or ‘caps’) on the crash sites of several of Brahmos’ boosters, as well as original, light grey colour of booster’s bodies, are indicative of some of missiles not being released, but jettisoned. I.e. released without activation, probably by Su-30MKIs the crews of which were surprised by Pakistani PL-15s, and forced into evasive manoeuvring. (Sure, intake-covers/caps are released at the same time the booster stage is released; but, they are extremely unlikely to come down to the ground at exactly the same spot).

- After the Indian experiences from clashes with Pakistan in February 2019, there were rumours that the DRDO is working on an ‘anti-AWACS-version’ of the Brahmos: a version that would enable the targeting of PAF’s Saab 2000. This is prompting the question: could it be that the IAF actually planned to start the Operation Sindoor by deploying one or another of its modified Brahmos to shoot down the PAF Saab 2000 AWACS that was airborne and on station, but this part of the mission was spoiled by timely reaction of PAF interceptors and their deployment of PL-15s?

- Contrary to the war in Ukraine, this war was still fought primarily with technologies from the 1990s, with some upgrades to the 2000s. Sure, both India and Pakistan have ‘decent’ integrated air defence systems (IADS), and have deployed attack UAVs in large numbers. However, and despite significant upgrades over the last 20 years (and especially the last 10 years), what they have deployed are heavy, expensive systems based on technologies from the late 20th Century

- Except for self-imposed constraints (on the Indian side), the mindsets of generals in both countries are also still some 10-15 years ‘behind’. That’s why both are yet to fully adjust to latest developments. Indeed, it’s likely that precisely this ‘detail’ contributed to Pakistan’s decision not only not to escalate any further, but to stop: due to insufficient stocks, its armed forces were about to run out of only types of ammunition that have proven as being of any use – like attack UAVs - ‘even’ in such a short conflict like this one.

- Yes, Pakistan used the last few years better than India, and not only obtained ‘platforms’ (foremost: aircraft): it also improved its electronic warfare capabilities, and acquired software necessary to better integrate its weaponry. However, the PAF – just like the rest of Pakistani Armed Forces – is sorely lacking long-range land-attack weapons. Despite all the claims and boasting, they either have no, or far too few missiles that can hit with pinpoint precision over a range of 300-400km. Definitely nothing comparable to India’s Brahmos and SCALP-EG. Unless Pakistan finds a way to manufacture something in style of Iran’s Shaheed attack-UAVs, and then in huge numbers, that’s unlikely to change soon. In this regards, Pakistani generals have ‘missed the train’.

- At least the PAF can nowadays fight ‘network centric warfare’: it is perfectly possible (even likely) that the Pakistani Navy can do the same; only the Pakistani Army is an uncertain factor in this regards. On the contrary, and with exception of its air defences, India undertook far too little in this regards. Especially the IAF is still sorely lagging behind: presently, it’s not even certain it’s much-announced acquisition of secure radios and a system enabling network-centric warfare from Israel has been applied fleet-wide, or (though far more likely) only to a part of its fighter-bomber-fleet.

- That said, once the Indians did a ‘reset’ of their command and control, and ‘started from the scratch’ – by knocking out the Pakistani air defences – their conduct of operations became much better. Foremost: it became professional and remained focused on what matters. Like knocking out the PAF air defences and the PA’s artillery. When one is running such an operation in well-organised fashion, positive results are unavoidable.

- Above all, intelligence services on both sides have failed (and miserably at that) to find out about and report major developments, while generals on both sides have displayed their usual lack of imagination, and stolid conservativism in overall planning and conduct of operations. Nobody there in India or Pakistan dares undertaking anything risky – because that could become a mistake. Unsurprisingly, one thing remains the same, that’s certain already now: in the vocabulary of the Indian Armed forces, all of this was a ‘cross-border incident’. No ‘war’…

- Last but not least: not only India, but ‘the West’ might want to – finally – start taking PR Chinese-made weapons systems much more seriously than they are still usually doing.

- In reaction to a number of related querries: frankly (as always), can't care less about PR-efforts by CNN & Co KG GesmbH AG, about New Delhi's insistence on ‘we’re a responsible democracy and thus can’t declare military victories’, and even less so about Western 'military Experten'. When one side is bombing nuclear weapons storage facilities of the other, and the other has no ability to retaliate left, then that's a clear cut victory in my books. In this case: a clear-cut victory for India. No surprise Islamabad 'sounded' for a 'cease-fire'.

[a_bharat]

I wonder if Qatar's gift of $400 million luxury jet to Trump (Air Force One) has anything to do with US intervention on behalf of pak. Also, I read somewhere that the US AG Pam Bondi was a Qatar lobbyist.

[krithivas]

Scroll garbage has an almost treasonous article, I will not post the link. Written by a junkie Supriya Sharma. According to Sharma, Sindoor achieved nothing and China is strong!

[Ambar]

- Because they were given ample time to ready for India’s punitive counter-strike, the Pakistani armed forces – and especially the Pakistan Air Force (PAF) – were ready. At least one Saab 2000 AWACS was on station (apparently, somewhere in the Peshawar area), and about 20 fighters airborne at the time the IAF air strike. Indeed, the PAF also proved capable of setting up an ‘ambush’ for several of incoming IAF formations. As a result, it definitely shot down

* 1 Rafale EH fighter-bomber, and (gauging by different photographs and videos of resulting wreckage), most likely also shot down
* 1 MiG-29UPG
* 1 Mirage 2000H, and
* 1 Su-30MKI.

How convenient, one of each kind! In India, whether for better or worse, news spreads like wildfire. With widespread access to smartphones, affordable data plans, and constant internet connectivity, everyone is always online. The idea of four planes crashing without a flood of viral photos and videos just doesn’t add up in a country where everything is instantly shared and amplified. Western audiences might miss these cultural nuances, but we understand them all too well.

[Ambar]

I wonder if Qatar's gift of $400 million luxury jet to Trump (Air Force One) has anything to do with US intervention on behalf of pak. Also, I read somewhere that the US AG Pam Bondi was a Qatar lobbyist.

Apart from discounted gas and oil, and the occasional baksheesh, arabs won't p1ss on pakis if they were on fire let alone gift a billion dollar jumbo to Trump on their behalf! The gift is to massage Trump's ego and his known weakness for gaudy, expensive things. They are also oiling the machinery to make him recognize the Palestinian state.

[a_bharat]

^^^
I wasn't saying they gifted it for pak. Obviously they did it for their own purposes. But could have also asked for a favor on behalf of pak, later on.

[ritesh]

While our media is referring to Tom Cooper calling out a decisive victory for India, his blogposts below have some very sobering points about our performance too.

https://xxtomcooperxx.substack.com/p/il ... s-of-cross
https://xxtomcooperxx.substack.com/p/il ... -cross-b6c

Key sobering points from the above blogposts

Kuch bhi, matlab, kuch bhi
WTF, so what abt porki losses?
This just sound one sides farticle, white man prejudice.

[a_bharat]

I feel that there is something wrong with the mental makeup of our foreign policy establishment. In the press briefings during Op Sindoor, they kept repeating "non-escalatory", "measured" etc. We will not get any brownie points from any country for this. No country would be happy with India emerging stronger. We shouldn't try to please any one. No one would be pleased with anything that would make us strong.

They were defensive and felt they needed to counter pak accusations of us targeting our own religious places. It was cringeworthy that they had to mention secularism. Here, we are dealing with a rabid, jihadi, islamist country -- and we are the ones on the defensive. I don't blame the lady officers -- they were just reading the script given to them.

Our FS, Vivek Misri got a lot of flak for the ceasefire announcement. Again, I don't think he has anything to do with the decision -- he only communicated it, but did it very badly. His daughter's connections with Rohingya refugees was used to target him.

[kancha]

My thoughts on the Operation and the ceasefire that came about during the weekend.

The one thing that struck me was that the pounding that Pakistan got from the Indian Armed Forces during Op Sindoor lasted for nearly the same duration as the 26/11 Mumbai Terror Attacks. Now that's a great Karmic coincidence, I'd say. Take it FWIW.

Have written in detail on my blog because of a fair number of images and videos that I included. Sharing an extract here.

Blog Link
Twitter Link

Very aptly named Operation Sindoor, it avenged #PahalgamTerrorAttack with brute force. However, let me go back in time and start from the situation post-Kargil 1999 :

IC 814 Hijack. We released three terrorists.

2001 : Parliament Attack. We mobilized, but didn’t attack.

2002 : Kaluchak Attack. They killed 2-month old babies at point blank range. We didn’t retaliate. Op Parakram continued.

2005 : Delhi Bombings. 60+ dead. No retaliation.

2006 : Mumbai Train Bombings. 200+ dead. No retaliation.

2008: 26/11 Mumbai Attacks. Only dossiers sent to Pakistan in retaliation.

After 26/11, however, Pakistan stopped mass-casualty terror attacks outside of Kashmir. No major terror attacks happened outside Kashmir thereafter.

2014: Pak Rangers killed 5 civilians in Arnia. BSF blasted the hell out of them in retaliation, shooting 10,000+ mortar rounds in 5 days. (Check This Report : India fighting small-scale war with Pakistan: DG Rangers Punjab)

2016: Uri Attack. Surgical Strikes carried out.

2019 : Pulwama. Retaliation came in form of Balakot and the shooting down of a PAF F-16 the next day.

Thereafter there were practically no terror attacks for the next six years .. till Pahalgam. I shall come to that in a moment, but first let me say something about info warfare.

Post Balakot, a large chunk of people on own side of the border were (as they are now) upset that we had lost the war of narratives. However, despite ‘winning’ the war of narratives, Pakistan STILL couldn’t prevent India from abrogating Article 370 less than six months later! Instead, all that they could do was whine and cry on social media / MSM, while at the same time desperately trying to keep their public sentiment under control!

While the Pakis would have been expecting the ‘usual’ retaliation in the form of anti-terror strikes like before, the GOI fired the first salvo less than 12 hours after the #PahalgamTerrorAttack by putting the Indus Water Treaty in Abeyance. This was the chain of thoughts shared by me on that event:

Yes, India once again hit non-military and non-civilian targets in Pakistan, thereby giving an off-ramp to the Brown Panted Ones which we knew they would NEVER take! But this time they hit not just one, but tens of targets, including right in the middle of major Paaki cities! This shall remain my all time favourite video of Operation Sindoor! We hit them .. and how! Right through the domes of their terror factories while they slept in blissful sleep, never to wake up again!

Of course, the Brown Panted Ones retaliated. They just couldn’t have NOT retaliated. They had no choice it this.

India knew it as well and was prepared.

Resultantly, Indian AD foiled each and every projectile that the Bhikharistanis threw our way, including Ballistic Missiles.

Of course, the Brown Panted Ones tried. They tried really hard indeed.

And they FAILED .. thanks to their Chinese equipment!

So much so that they even gifted atleast one nearly perfectly intact Chinese AAM to India!

Yes, and these idiots claim they WON the war! Well, their own yahoos may buy this crap from them, but not me!

Point to note is that all their senior ministers were giving interviews to all foreign channels, alternating between bombastic statements and whining. OTOH, on the Indian side it was just the Foreign Secy and the two officers addressing the media at set times. This speaks volumes indeed.

Each time India would administer a slap, the statement would be ‘If you come back again, we will slap you again’. Of course, just like a scorpion cannot NOT sting, the Brown Panted Ones would try & fail over & over again.

How could India turn down this invite to slap them again, hainji?!

The pinnacle of Indian retaliation was reached soon enough when within a span of minutes, India addressed 11 Airbases of the PAF and inflicted massive damages, including to critical high value assets of the PAF. That a few of these were near known nuke sites was just ‘incidental’!

Mind you, all this has happened within a span of LESS THAN 72 HOURS from the very early hours of 8th May till the afternoon of 10th May when the Brown Panted DGMO called up his Indian counterpart begging for ceasefire!

Yes, it took LESS THAN 72 HOURS to bring Pakistan to its knees ..

I know, some folks on Indian Twitter and all the folks on Paaki Twitter will disagree, saying that Shri Shehbaz Sharif has declared victory and that Paakis are dancing in the streets in joy!

To these people, all I will say is .. You couldn’t be more wrong!

But as the saying goes .. You cannot wake up someone who is merely PRETENDING to be asleep! So I shall accept the fact that they don’t believe me and move on with my life in general, and this thread in particular!

They all know the true worth of the Brown Panted Ones. Hence it came as no surprise that much much before the first Indian bomb had even crossed the IB, Paakis had started threatening nuclear armageddon in anticipation!

Thus ended this particular round of India-Pakistan conflict. Yes, it was incomplete. But it was much different than previous ones.

Come to think of it .. it lasted almost as long as the 26/11 Mumbai Terror Attacks! How’s that for Karma, huh Pakistan?

Let me talk a bit now about what we achieved in this round.

Mind you, it still is unfinished business.

It will always remain thus till the time Pakistan and the ideology behind it remains standing. To that extent I endorse the outrage on the ‘premature’ ceasefire as well.

However, I also endorse the fact that the ceasefire is a fact.

The GOI decided to go ahead with it for reasons best known to them. They naturally have access to much much more information than you and I can ever hope to have. So yes, while disappointed, I accept the fact that the wonderful hammering that Pakistan was getting, has ceased FOR THE TIME BEING.

It will happen again.

They WILL give us yet another chance, over & over again.

That is the reason I am not crying out for this round having ended.

So we move on to what we gained ..

We exposed the Brown Panted Ones in front of not just their awam, but the entire world for the shitty soldiers that they are. The only thing they are good for, is gobbling up the meagre resources of their country and plead when India hits them!

A whole generation of Indians have seen war for the first time. And I include the Kargil generation as well because not even Kargil came this close! 1971 would be a better comparison.

Also, Indian Armed Forces, since long involved in sub-conventional ops, got a wonderful opportunity to test themselves in a large-scale conventional contingency! This will go a long way in finetuning the already very fine battle drills of the IA, IN and IAF.

Further, India has changed forever the paradigm of retaliation to terror attacks. The ceasefire was accepted with the caveat that any terror attack would be considered an act of war. This is a HUGE statement of intent, backed by the nearly three days of massive punishment already.

Heck, India didn’t even waste time seeking incontrovertible proof of Pakistani involvement in #PahalgamTerrorAttack, thus bringing to a naught the Pakistani efforts to paint it as an internal issue of India!

This Indian message has hit home .. over and over again, I’d say!

Of course, the Pakistani nuclear bogey that kept Indian responses ‘rational’ thus far has been blown up, figuratively and literally too as per some accounts!

The next positive outcome for the Motherland is the fact that indigenous weapons performed perfectly under warlike conditions. If this doesn’t give a further boost to enhanced acquisition and export of indigenous weapons systems, then nothing else can!

Another important point is that the cost of keeping Pakistan alive has gone up massively for the West and for China, the latest IMF bakhsheesh notwithstanding.

In fact, this won’t even be enough to cover the losses of the past few days!

Of course with the America backed ceasefire, American interests lobby in Pakistan Army will gain strength at the cost of China interests lobby. Now THAT would be interesting to watch! In any case, most Generals have their spawns settled in the USA in any case, and NONE in China! This naturally makes them more ‘amenable’ to American interests!

Meanwhile, the Indus Water Treaty remains suspended, as does the Simla Agreement.

Yes, do read the above line once again! It gives us much more freedom than before to do what is in our national interests, instead of getting tied down in legalese.

Remember, Pakistani narrative that Pakistan has ‘won’ this round not much different from the post 1965 narrative. Unfortunately, despite the ‘Spectacular Victory’ of 1965, Ayub Khan was unceremoniously removed from power. Let’s see what happens when dust settles this time round.

Also remember that India recently became the fourth largest economy in the world some days back while Pakistan remains .. well .. Pakistan!

Reminded me of these words from SunderKand:

जहाँ सुमति तहँ संपति नाना।

जहाँ कुमति तहँ बिपति निदाना।।

Do read them once again!

In the end, all I will say is that the India Armed Forces deserve all the applause that we can give them. Pakistan WILL give more and more chances to hit them in the future, and knowing this GOI, they will keep getting hit exactly where it hurts – Their Ego.

[arshyam]

- Because they were given ample time to ready for India’s punitive counter-strike, the Pakistani armed forces – and especially the Pakistan Air Force (PAF) – were ready. At least one Saab 2000 AWACS was on station (apparently, somewhere in the Peshawar area), and about 20 fighters airborne at the time the IAF air strike. Indeed, the PAF also proved capable of setting up an ‘ambush’ for several of incoming IAF formations. As a result, it definitely shot down

* 1 Rafale EH fighter-bomber, and (gauging by different photographs and videos of resulting wreckage), most likely also shot down
* 1 MiG-29UPG
* 1 Mirage 2000H, and
* 1 Su-30MKI.

How convenient, one of each kind! In India, whether for better or worse, news spreads like wildfire. With widespread access to smartphones, affordable data plans, and constant internet connectivity, everyone is always online. The idea of four planes crashing without a flood of viral photos and videos just doesn’t add up in a country where everything is instantly shared and amplified. Western audiences might miss these cultural nuances, but we understand them all too well.

Indeed. That alleged list of aircraft losses seems to have been cooked up in a paki kitchen, like MM Alam's claim of 5 kills in 5 mins back in '65.

Also, he says we gave the pakis to prepare and wait to ambush us - wouldn't we know to anticipate that much? And prepare accordingly? Any kid would know that and we are talking about a professional force that has dealt with the paki mindset since their inception.

A waste of time article that shows the need for better prefiltering by BRFites before sharing. Articles need to pass a basic smell test.

[A_Gupta]

@manish singh

While our media is referring to Tom Cooper calling out a decisive victory for India, his blogposts below have some very sobering points about our performance too.

I hold that it is impossible to run a million person operation without some mistakes.

But (and I tried to leave a comment to this effect on Tom Cooper's blog) - these tradition- and etiquette- bound generals, after suffering a severe setback at the start of their campaign, adjusted their tactics in hours and were bombing Pakistan's nuclear facilities in a matter of what, 96 hours? Something does not compute.

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I mean that the evidence of Operation Sindoor, especially if India started off with a loss of four or five planes and the accompanying armaments, shows that the Indians operated a very fast and effective Observe-Orient-Decide-Act cycle - an exceptional agility -- and yet the claim is that their initial set-backs were because of their stuck-in-the-mud stodginess. Really? It is simply not credible.

[anisham]

Maj Gen Narayanan and Lt Gen Dushyant Singh, both retired, on a Gunner's Shot session today evening have said that they have been asked by the powers at the highest levels not to speak about Nur and Kirana incidents.
Make of it what you will.

In same podcast, they also mentioned brahmos was launched from naval asset to target sargoda.

[hanumadu]

@manish singh

While our media is referring to Tom Cooper calling out a decisive victory for India, his blogposts below have some very sobering points about our performance too.

I hold that it is impossible to run a million person operation without some mistakes.

But (and I tried to leave a comment to this effect on Tom Cooper's blog) - these tradition- and etiquette- bound generals, after suffering a severe setback at the start of their campaign, adjusted their tactics in hours and were bombing Pakistan's nuclear facilities in a matter of what, 96 hours? Something does not compute.

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I mean that the evidence of Operation Sindoor, especially if India started off with a loss of four of five planes and the accompanying armaments, shows that the Indians operated a very fast and effective Observe-Orient-Decide-Act cycle - an exceptional agility -- and yet the claim is that their initial set-backs were because of their stuck-in-the-mud stodginess. Really? It is simply not credible.

What are the odds of 5 hits and all the 5 pilots surviving? Our pilots did not cross the LOC. Unless their planes were looking to intercept us right near the border, we would be outside the NEZ of their missiles which is not much more than 30 km. So they came within our S-400 and MRSAM range with an intention to engage our fighter planes and we did not shoot them down? Also scalp has a range of 500 km, Brahmos 300 at least, Hammer 70 km and rampage 250 km. We would have operated outside their missile range.