Operation Sindoor - Post Conflict Analysis

[Aditya_V]

They tried but L70 had a altitude limit of 41k feet, so that strategy also failed and drone operators were traced and taken out.

[sanjayc]

https://www.hindustantimes.com/india-ne ... 85978.html

View: India was ready for round II, Pakistan begged US for intervention on May 10

Despite the Western media’s attempt to equate India and Pakistan in terms of military capability, Islamabad quite literally begged for US intervention after New Delhi struck the Nur Khan air base in the heart of Pakistan with missiles on the morning of May 10, alongside an imminent Indian Navy attack on the Karachi naval port.

That the Modi government chose not to escalate further after the Rawalpindi strike was simply because Pakistan is no match for India.

Pakistan’s capitulation was evident from the frenzied attempts by US Secretary of State Marco Rubio to reach his counterparts, S Jaishankar and Ajit Doval, on the morning of May 10.

While the Nur Khan air base was hit hard by Indian missiles in the early hours, Pakistan’s Director General of Military Operations (DGMO), Kashif Abdullah, called his Indian counterpart at 10:38 a.m. the same day, claiming to have intelligence about an imminent BrahMos missile strike on the Karachi naval port. Although the Pakistani DGMO attempted to threaten retaliation, the Indian side remained unfazed and fully battle-ready.

It is understood that when Secretary Rubio conveyed Pakistan’s willingness to agree to a ceasefire, External Affairs Minister S Jaishankar firmly yet politely responded that such a proposal would need to come through DGMO channels, as the armed forces were leading operations. India, in the meantime, ignored calls from the Pakistani Foreign Minister and Islamabad’s traditional allies, urging an end to hostilities.

While several Western narratives, including those pushed by French official media, attempted to portray Chinese weaponry as superior to India’s, the reality is that the Modi government was prepared to climb the full escalatory ladder if Pakistan chose that path. India was under no pressure to de-escalate, especially since Pakistan had virtually no viable military targets remaining east of the Indus, following the decapitation of 11 air bases and the complete neutralization of its air defense systems. Team Modi had no intention of striking Balochistan or the Pashtun-dominated Khyber Pakhtunkhwa region. In fact, India had only just begun: its mission objective—to destroy terror infrastructure in Pakistan—was accomplished within 25 minutes on the morning of May 7.

Interestingly, even as French state media tried to undermine its own Rafale fighters used by the Indian Air Force, Indian aerial platforms, missiles, loitering munitions, and drones performed exceptionally well and decisively overwhelmed Pakistan’s armed forces. After the May 10 missile strike, India retained the capability to strike any target within Pakistan, as the latter’s Chinese-supplied air defence systems had either been destroyed or jammed.

India’s decision to call off hostilities stemmed from a strategic assessment: mission objectives had been achieved, and further engagement would only allow Islamabad to play the victim card to the West and China. Simply put, India and Pakistan are not equals, and New Delhi had no interest in further pursuing a military conflict after effectively neutralizing Pakistan’s response capability.

Given the advisory role played by Chinese and Turkish personnel in aiding Pakistan’s aerial warfare strategy, India is expected to take counter-action against all parties who sided with terrorist elements following the Pahalgam massacre. The Modi government is now placing greater emphasis on stand-off weapons, acknowledging that the era of conventional land battles is largely over. With 31 US-made Predator armed drones set to be inducted into the Indian armed forces in 2028, India is also rapidly advancing in the development of high-altitude armed drones and low-cost swarm drones—similar to the Turkish models deployed by Pakistan along the Indian border.

While Pakistan is expected to feel the impact of India’s suspension of the Indus Waters Treaty next month, Operation Sindoor has reinforced a crucial lesson for New Delhi: India stands alone and must build its own comprehensive military capabilities to counter the real adversaries in its neighborhood—and in the West.

[VinodTK]

The Hill

Trump just undermined America’s strategic partnership with India

On May 7, India launched a calibrated military campaign against Pakistan in response to a brutal terrorist attack that had killed 26 civilians in Indian-administered Kashmir. Islamist gunmen had deliberately targeted Hindu tourists, exemplifying the persistent cross-border terrorism that India has long endured.

Yet few anticipated that the decisive external actor to intervene, President Trump, would seek not to de-escalate tensions impartially, but to tilt the scales in favor of the state sponsor of terror.

Pakistan’s military has enabled terrorist groups to operate from its soil for decades. Its terrorist proxies have carried out attacks in India with the support — tacit or overt — of Pakistan’s army, which has ruled the country directly or indirectly since its founding in 1947.
But this time, when India hit back with precision and restraint, it wasn’t Pakistan that reversed the tide of battle. It was Washington.

The Trump administration stepped in at a pivotal moment, using coercive leverage to compel India to cease its operation prematurely. In doing so, Trump not only spared Pakistan the consequences of its actions but also damaged the foundation of U.S.-India strategic trust.

Trump has publicly boasted about his role. From Riyadh to Doha during his Middle East tour, he declared he had “brokered a historic ceasefire” between India and Pakistan. But behind that triumphant spin lies a less savory truth: The U.S. intervention was not about peace — it was about shielding a longtime “major non-NATO ally” from the fallout of its proxy warfare.
The Indian campaign lasted just three days, one of the shortest modern military operations, yet it achieved notable success. Indian forces degraded Pakistan’s air defenses and struck key air bases. In a display of technological prowess, both nations relied heavily on drones and precision missiles. But while Pakistan launched more projectiles, it failed to inflict meaningful damage on any Indian military installation.

India’s turning point came on the morning of May 10, when its military hit major Pakistani air bases, including Nur Khan — located near the army headquarters, the prime minister’s office and Pakistan’s nuclear command. At this point, India had seized the battlefield initiative.

Yet, just hours later, a ceasefire was accepted — under direct U.S. pressure, with Trump announcing it even before India or Pakistan. The ceasefire took effect at 17:00 Indian Standard Time that same day.

Trump later revealed that he had threatened trade sanctions to halt India’s advance. “If you don’t stop, we are not going to do any trade,” he said during a White House press conference. He reiterated in Saudi Arabia, “I used trade to a large extent to do it.”
If true, the U.S. leveraged economic blackmail — not diplomacy — to protect a state that exports terrorism. That raises a chilling question: If Washington can use trade threats to dictate India’s conduct in a military crisis, what’s to stop it from weaponizing defense supply chains during the next one?

India has steadily increased purchases of U.S. military hardware. But this episode confirmed India’s greatest fear: in a real conflict, these systems could become liabilities if Washington turns off the tap. No country’s national security should hinge on platforms dependent on another power’s political whims.

Two days into India’s military campaign, the International Monetary Fund — under strong American influence — approved a $2.4 billion bailout for Pakistan, offering a financial lifeline to a country teetering on the brink of default. The timing of the bailout was telling, rewarding the most persistent terror sponsor in South Asia even as its proxies triggered a military crisis.

The bailout signaled to the world that you can export jihadist terror and still enjoy Western protection — if you’re geopolitically useful enough.

In fact, Trump has shown an unsettling willingness to engage with actors whom most nations deem beyond the pale. On May 14, he met with Syria’s self-declared president Ahmad al-Sharaa — better known as Abu Mohammad al-Jolani, a U.S.- and U.N.-designated terrorist and a former leader of Syria’s al Qaeda affiliate.

Meanwhile, Trump has turned his sights toward Kashmir as a geopolitical bargaining chip. While remaining conspicuously silent on Pakistan’s role in exporting terrorism, he has proposed to mediate the Kashmir dispute, saying that both India and Pakistan are “great nations” that need help resolving it.

Such false equivalence — between the target of terror and its perpetrator — has justifiably infuriated both the Indian government and public. New Delhi has firmly rejected Trump’s mediation offers, underscoring that there can be no talks under the shadow of terror.

Kashmir is one of the world’s most complex territorial disputes. India controls 45 percent of the former princely state, Pakistan 35 percent and China the remaining 20 percent. Yet Trump, despite failing to resolve conflicts in Ukraine or Gaza, believes he can now “work to see if a solution can be arrived at concerning Kashmir.” In reality, Trump is playing into the hands of Pakistan, which has long weaponized the Kashmir issue to justify its “war of a thousand cuts” through terrorist proxies against India.

Even after bailing out Pakistan, Trump doubled down. On May 15, he rebuked Apple CEO Tim Cook for manufacturing iPhones in India, telling him, “I don’t want you building in India.” According to Trump, a chastened Cook promised to increase production in the U.S.

This pattern of behavior highlights the jarring truth that Trump’s America is not a reliable strategic partner for India. Paradoxically, India should be thankful for this wake-up call.

The U.S. likes to portray itself as India’s natural partner in the Indo-Pacific, a region that will determine the next world order. But trust in any partnership is forged during a crisis.
Trump may have forced India to pause its military campaign — but, in doing so, he accelerated the unraveling of trust between the world’s two largest democracies. That rupture, unless healed quickly, will not be easy to mend

[bala]

India has to take stock of Operation Sindoor. There are 3 phases India has to take measures - the short term, medium term and long term. Pak land is spinning the thing as a victory and that they downed 5 rafales, su-30mki, etc. China provided all the intel to Pak land at crucial junctures. China has taken over media control in many places including US and Euro. India is being portrayed as the aggressor to a weak pak land. Things like tiktok are championing all kinds of weird shit against India to the youth all over the world. There is the nexus of turkey, pak land and china all over the world portraying bad India.

India has to play this game smartly. IWT is a huge hammer which needs to be used. Things like internal dissent from BLA and NWFP have to be actively engaged. ASim Munir and Pak land were in the doldrums prior to pahalgam. ASim desperately wanted an extension of his job, the people of pak land were hurting big time economically. Operation sindoor has given them a new lease of life, considering the IMF bail out loan. ASim will get his extension and the govt of pak land has a new narrative for their people - bad India.

India has to watch BD, China and Pak land and chart out a course for their continued destruction in every sphere. All of them are economically strapped. India has addressed Pak land and BD in terms of economy, Turkey has also been dealt with by India, now tis India's turn to clamp down on China imports into India. Squeezing them out economically is first step. Pak land is heading for internal disintegration. BD also needs some redrawing of its map area. Can India foray around 200 km into Tibet? How about PoK incursions and getting gilgit / baltistan. Many options to consider for India. India has to press its military advantage and redraw the map.

India's long haul strategy / A gunners shot - Pgurus program

[anisham]

They tried but L70 had a altitude limit of 41k feet, so that strategy also failed and drone operators were traced and taken out.

Noob question: How does one track drone operators?

I assume they can be launched from a mobile platform..so it should be tough to track.

[pravula]

Radio signals are directional. If you know the frequency, these are easy to track with even diy kits. For example WiFi scanners for hidden cameras use the same algorithms

[Amber G.]

IMF imposes 11 new conditions on Pakistan for its bailout programme, warns it against risks: - The Economic Times

[Amber G.]

@ShashiTharoor

https://x.com/ShashiTharoor/status/1923607237697864196 ---> I am honoured by the invitation of the government of India to lead an all-party delegation to five key capitals, to present our nation’s point of view on recent events. When national interest is involved, and my services are required, I will not be found wanting. Jai Hind!

CTRL+C - CTRL+V --. ZERO originality.

[sanjayc]

Op Sindoor exposed pattern of failures, underperformance by Chinese weapon systems: Report
https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/ind ... 251371.cms

Discusses each Chinese weapon system used, and how it was found wanting during Op Sindoor

[Dilbu]

How India used unmanned dummy aircraft to fool Pakistan during Operation Sindoor

According to an ANI report, which cites highly placed defence sources, the Indian Air Force (IAF) used dummy aircraft disguised as fighter jets to bait and disable Pakistan's Chinese-supplied air defence systems during Operation Sindoor.

On the night of May 9–10, India struck 11 out of 12 key Pakistani air bases. However, before launching its wave of missile attacks, the IAF first sent in unmanned target aircraft camouflaged to mimic real fighter aircraft.

This led to Pakistani radars scrambling to knock down what they believed were India's incoming fighter jets, resulting in the activation of their HQ-9 missile systems, revealing their locations and exposing them to attack.

The Pakistan Air Force mobilised its entire set of HQ-9 air defence missile system launchers and radars to different locations, and some of them were deployed at new locations but were detected after being activated, ANI reported.

The Indian Air Force then followed up with the long-range missile attacks on the Pakistani air bases, which included the BrahMos and Scalp missiles. Around 15 BrahMos missiles and Scalp, Rampage and Crystal Maze missiles were launched in the offensive.

These strikes disabled airstrips, hangars, and communication infrastructure across Pakistan’s air force network, reportedly damaging an airborne early warning aircraft and several long-endurance drones in Sindh.

The aerial attacks launched by the Pakistani Air Force using land attack ballistic missiles, air-launched cruise missiles, and unmanned combat aircraft were mainly thwarted by the combination of the Russian S-400, MRSAM, and Akash air defence missile units, along with other old systems.

[basant]

FWIW

Revelation: India destroyed 20% of Pakistan's air power in one night! - The role of Rafale

Satellite images that have come to light have shown that India allegedly inflicted a crushing blow on the Pakistan Air Force on the night of May 9.

Within hours, the Indian Air Force launched attacks on 11 key PAF air bases, destroying nearly 20% of their critical infrastructure, according to New Delhi.

[pravula]

Op Sindoor exposed pattern of failures, underperformance by Chinese weapon systems: Report
https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/ind ... 251371.cms

Discusses each Chinese weapon system used, and how it was found wanting during Op Sindoor

For all we know, this is exactly what the PLA wants. Hope we do not become complacent.

[Dilbu]

‘No expiry date’ : Indian Army’s clarification days after cessation of hostilities

There is “no expiry date” to the understanding reached between Indian and Pakistani Director Generals of Military Operations (DGMOs) on cessation of hostilities nearly a week back, the Indian Army said on Sunday. The clarification came following reports that the arrangement between the two militaries on stopping the hostilities is ending this evening. The Director Generals of Military Operations (DGMOs) of India and Pakistan on May 12 decided to continue with the understanding of halting all military actions.

[srai]

Sounds like Indian media’s love affair with DJT is over

[k prasad]

India has to watch BD, China and Pak land and chart out a course for their continued destruction in every sphere. All of them are economically strapped. India has addressed Pak land and BD in terms of economy, Turkey has also been dealt with by India, now tis India's turn to clamp down on China imports into India. Squeezing them out economically is first step. Pak land is heading for internal disintegration. BD also needs some redrawing of its map area. Can India foray around 200 km into Tibet? How about PoK incursions and getting gilgit / baltistan. Many options to consider for India. India has to press its military advantage and redraw the map.

We can start by consistently calling it the "Indo-Tibetan" border rather than the "India-China" border.

[drnayar]

Sounds like Indian media’s love affair with DJT is over

For sure.. Trump is an opportunistic transactional hypocrite

[williams]

Op Sindoor exposed pattern of failures, underperformance by Chinese weapon systems: Report
https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/ind ... 251371.cms

Discusses each Chinese weapon system used, and how it was found wanting during Op Sindoor

For all we know, this is exactly what the PLA wants. Hope we do not become complacent.

Yes PLA won by manufacturing and exporting dummies to Paki dummies that will ultimately make India complacent Paki dummies lost 20% of their Air force infrastructure. That is not a big deal. Pakis have large begging bowl and the world will approve more interest-free and repayment-free loans. Paki expertise in poppy seed exporting will also help. Pakis will breed Jihadis fast to bleed India with 2004.45 cuts. This calculation is based on advanced Jinn energy math. Now, the eminent Chinese forces will manufacture real weapons that will trap sleeping India. Also, don't forget the chicken's neck in Siliguri. Bangladesh will send starving beggars to take over that place, which will cut off India's northeast. Bangladesh beggars are no match for Indian Army's III, IV, and XXXIII corps. Eastern air command, with its nine airbases, is no match for Bangladeshi plastic quad-copter UAVs acquired from the Chinese experts. INS Vikramaditya carrier battle group is no match for the floating barge Liaoning that can ultimately join forces with well trained Bangladeshi Ming class submarines.

We probably need a bennis thread for PLA too.

[Amber G.]

We probably need a thread for PLA too..

Definitely but while waiting for the thread, following on the previous story... read if interested onlee!

After Drone Success, Chinese Missile spotted at AIIMS Delhi


NEW DELHI — In the latest twist to India’s rapidly unraveling digital security saga, confusion reached ballistic levels when a Chinese-made PL-15 air-to-air missile was mistakenly scheduled for cataract surgery at AIIMS Delhi under the Ayushman Bharat scheme.

Officials say the incident is a direct sequel to last week’s now-infamous breach by Turkish Bayraktar Bakra-X drones, which stole Aadhaar cards, applied for IRCTC Tatkal tickets, and later enrolled in Ayushman Bharat as "underprivileged aerial entities."

“After the drones’ success, it seems everyone wants in,”

sighed a tired NHA clerk, scrolling through a fresh batch of applications with names like ‘Mao Long-range Bhaiya’ and ‘PL15 Kumar’.

According to insiders, the PL-15 missile used an Aadhaar number obtained from the earlier breach (belonging to a retired school teacher from Ranchi), and applied for cataract correction at AIIMS citing “guidance system misalignment” and “blurred infrared targeting.”


“I’ve never seen such a detailed medical history,”. “Honestly, it’s more complete than 70% of our human patients.”

Hospital authorities only realized the mix-up when the missile arrived at the OPD escorted by a confused Swiggy delivery guy and proceeded to demand priority queue access, citing “combat veteran” status.

The Defence Ministry issued a brief statement:
A junior doctor, holding up a printout titled ‘Last Launch Report: Vision Impaired at Mach 4’:

“We are aware of the situation. Steps are being taken to separate patients from projectiles in the appointment booking system.”

Meanwhile, the missile reportedly left the premises after hearing about the 6-month wait time for surgery, muttering something in Mandarin and launching itself back toward the Line of Actual Control.

The UIDAI has now disabled Aadhaar access for all objects weighing more than 100 kg and capable of supersonic flight.

Unofficial reports claim a Pakistani submarine is now trying to register for PM Ujjwala Yojana to get subsidized LPG.

Developing story. Or surfacing soon.

[Rakesh]

Thank you to you both for posting this video. Addresses a lot of doubts.

Excellent discussion with Air Marshal G.S. Bedi (retd). He had 35 sorties in Kargil.

Adi Achint in discussion with Air Marshal G.S. Bedi (retd). The most logical discussion on the air war and debunking the Paki narrative. Very clinical and logical assessment, without any jingoism. Hitting terrorist targets first and then the AD, radars, air assets in the second phase was the price India paid for the 'morality' of the war goals - hitting only terrorist target and declaring intent of non-escalation. The second phase was due to the Pakis choosing the escalation by targeting military and civilian targets. Paki claims of downing aircraft could have been easily proved by the Pakis by showing radar plot of aircraft and missile, but they did not have anything to show.

[Agasthi]

The video with AM Bedi was really good! With PAF temporarily disabled PA will be a sitting duck. All of that with just 15 Brahmos and which means we can seriously disable any military activity in occupied Tibet which can constrain PLA and PLAF quite a bit. We may have just reduced one front of the 2.5 and that may have given us and even Taiwan a breather for what maybe 1-2 years?

[Rakesh]

https://x.com/mujifren/status/1923671963366568132 ---> Remember folks, F-16 is never shot down, it always goes down after an "incident".

Ukranian F16 goes down after 'incident', pilot ejects safely
https://aninews.in/news/world/europe/uk ... 517105832/
17 May 2025

[Rakesh]

The video with AM Bedi was really good! With PAF temporarily disabled PA will be a sitting duck. All of that with just 15 Brahmos and which means we can seriously disable any military activity in occupied Tibet which can constrain PLA and PLAF quite a bit. We may have just reduced one front of the 2.5 and that may have given us and even Taiwan a breather for what maybe 1-2 years?

Not advisable.

Now is the time to double down on tackling the 2.5 half front. Just on air power alone:-

1) All the MiG-29UPG, Mirage 2000I and Jaguar squadrons need to be replaced with Tejas Mk1A.

2) In line with Point #1, we need to get a F404 screwdrivergiri line in India.

3) India needs to complete the Kaveri and put it on Tejas Mk1A during their mid life refits.

4) Long range Indian missiles need to be ordered not in piecemeal mode, but in large quantities (in the high hundreds at least).

5) Super Sukhoi upgrade needs to be across the ENTIRE fleet and not just at 84 aircraft. The oldest Su-30MKI is only 22+ years old, as No 20 Squadron (the first Rambha squadron) was inducted in the IAF in Sept 2002. This is the real game changer for the IAF.

[Rakesh]

Drones, Airstrikes, Media Narratives: Weapons Of Operation Sindoor

In the pilot episode of NDTV’s new Defence podcast, CTRL + ALT + Defence, Vishnu Som and Shiv Aroor discuss the many weapons used to either attack during Operation Sindoor (India’s response to the terrible Pahalgam terror attack) or the machinery used to defend the country at the borders and in the skies. The duo brings decades of experience, knowledge, ground expertise, and a sheer passion for everything related to India’s defence systems. Tune in to follow along the fiery, uncensored takes of NDTV’s in-house experts - Shiv Aroor and Vishnu Som.

[Rakesh]

VIDEO: https://x.com/ShivAroor/status/1924191297423683824 ---> Interesting—Indian Army video out a few hours ago suggests Pakistan used Shaheen ballistic missiles & Chinese A-100 & Fatah I/II MLRS, while India deployed its Smerch MLRS in rocket counter-assaults. Also possibly 1st official word on S-400 being used to intercept.

[Rakesh]

Six Big - But Less Noticed - Takeaways From Operation Sindoor
https://www.ndtv.com/opinion/six-big-bu ... or-8413530
14 May 2025

[Rakesh]

Operation SINDOOR: The Rise of Aatmanirbhar Innovation in National Security
https://www.pib.gov.in/PressNoteDetails ... ModuleId=3
14 May 2025

[Rakesh]

Some humour.....

https://x.com/TheUnRealTimes/status/1922292657667097047 ---> JUST IN: Shahbaz Sharif tries to copy PM Modi by doing a photo-op at the nearest Pak airbase; falls into the crater on the runway.

https://x.com/CharteredGooner/status/19 ... 9800267221 ---> BREAKING: All Pakistani drones flying over Yamuna Expressway have been captured by Nitin Gadkari and now he is asking them for tolls.

[Rakesh]

How IAF Taught Pakistan That The Mythical 'Godzilla' Isn't Extinct After All
https://www.ndtv.com/opinion/how-the-ia ... ll-8387025
11 May 2025

[Cain Marko]

They tried but L70 had a altitude limit of 41k feet, so that strategy also failed and drone operators were traced and taken out.

Hainji, what high altitude magic drone is Pakistan possessing that flies above 30k feet. Those furnish tb2s don't go above 37k.

[RCase]

Some humour.....

https://x.com/TheUnRealTimes/status/1922292657667097047 ---> JUST IN: Shahbaz Sharif tries to copy PM Modi by doing a photo-op at the nearest Pak airbase; falls into the crater on the runway.

IAF's new motto - It is our job to hit the targets and provide the graves. It is your job to count the body bags and bury them.

[ernest]

VIDEO: https://x.com/ShivAroor/status/1924191297423683824 ---> Interesting—Indian Army video out a few hours ago suggests Pakistan used Shaheen ballistic missiles & Chinese A-100 & Fatah I/II MLRS, while India deployed its Smerch MLRS in rocket counter-assaults. Also possibly 1st official word on S-400 being used to intercept.

I would classify that as "representative imagery" only. There are also other portions of the video that indicate so, including a Brahmos booster

[Aditya_V]

And in response, looks like Pinaka was opened up

[Jay]

1) All the MiG-29UPG, Mirage 2000I and Jaguar squadrons need to be replaced with Tejas Mk1A.
2) In line with Point #1, we need to get a F404 screwdrivergiri line in India.
3) India needs to complete the Kaveri and put it on Tejas Mk1A during their mid life refits.
4) Long range Indian missiles need to be ordered not in piecemeal mode, but in large quantities (in the high hundreds at least).
5) Super Sukhoi upgrade needs to be across the ENTIRE fleet and not just at 84 aircraft. The oldest Su-30MKI is only 22+ years old, as No 20 Squadron (the first Rambha squadron) was inducted in the IAF in Sept 2002. This is the real game changer for the IAF.

100%. There is no way we can mitigate the abysmal fleet strength in the short to middle term. We can compensate this handicap with enhancing every plane we have to be survivable once they come into contact with an enemy system. MAWS, RWR's, 2 way datalinks, secure radios, IRST, Jammers etc, need to part of every available plane and not just the foreign munnas in the fleet.

Above all, there is no replacement for indigenization.

[chetak]

Hearing that the 5 eyes countries, including france and japan are most keen to get their hands on the cheeni missiles that India has recovered in a largely undamaged/unexploded condition that have fallen inside Indian territory

Additionally, france has already sent a delegation to dilli looking for urgent "joint exercises" that will basically recreate/replicate the paki attack scenario and the Indian response processes so that they can analyse the methodologies of failure and success


Just like the goras continue to protect their engine technologies, India must be very careful in not revealing AI solutions as applied to the integration of diverse in house air defence weapon systems.

The cheeni and pakis would have already deployed ayeshas and whatever name the cheeni honeytrap go by to seek out suitable sad sacks

there are only three countries smiling now, India, Russia and Israel. The rest are in shock


we owe the 5 eyes and the japs nothing.

[pravula]

Sure, they can they send us a F-35 to dissect in advance?

[srai]

1) All the MiG-29UPG, Mirage 2000I and Jaguar squadrons need to be replaced with Tejas Mk1A.
2) In line with Point #1, we need to get a F404 screwdrivergiri line in India.
3) India needs to complete the Kaveri and put it on Tejas Mk1A during their mid life refits.
4) Long range Indian missiles need to be ordered not in piecemeal mode, but in large quantities (in the high hundreds at least).
5) Super Sukhoi upgrade needs to be across the ENTIRE fleet and not just at 84 aircraft. The oldest Su-30MKI is only 22+ years old, as No 20 Squadron (the first Rambha squadron) was inducted in the IAF in Sept 2002. This is the real game changer for the IAF.

100%. There is no way we can mitigate the abysmal fleet strength in the short to middle term. We can compensate this handicap with enhancing every plane we have to be survivable once they come into contact with an enemy system. MAWS, RWR's, 2 way datalinks, secure radios, IRST, Jammers etc, need to part of every available plane and not just the foreign munnas in the fleet.

Above all, there is no replacement for indigenization.

That is really the transition strategy.

In the next few years, Tejas Mk1A will be produced at 30/year rates. With fleet wide standardization (weapons, base infrastructure, pilot training), it is the best way to fill the void of legacy types coming up for retirement within the next 15-years.

Whenever Mk2 and AMCA becomes available, induct those as well. It will take time to complete R&D and build mass production capacity.

[Avinandan]

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Why are we publicly talking about our Ammo Quantity ?
Any repercussions due to this?

"Only 10% of Ammo Used": Indian Army Air Defence on Neutralising Turkish Drones

In a live demo, the Indian Army showcased how its Air Defence systems—especially the AKASH missile system—intercepted Pakistani missile and drone attacks near the Golden Temple and across Punjab. Personnel revealed that just 10% of the available ammunition was needed to take down the Turkish drones.

[Manish_P]

...
In the next few years, Tejas Mk1A will be produced at 30/year rates
...

USA permitting

[Cyrano]

10% ammo used in 5 days= approx 50 days of high intensity ops . There is a message there for Pakis.

[drnayar]

Hearing that the 5 eyes countries, including france and japan are most keen to get their hands on the cheeni missiles that India has recovered in a largely undamaged/unexploded condition that have fallen inside Indian territory

Additionally, france has already sent a delegation to dilli looking for urgent "joint exercises" that will basically recreate/replicate the paki attack scenario and the Indian response processes so that they can analyse the methodologies of failure and success


Just like the goras continue to protect their engine technologies, India must be very careful in not revealing AI solutions as applied to the integration of diverse in house air defence weapon systems.

The cheeni and pakis would have already deployed ayeshas and whatever name the cheeni honeytrap go by to seek out suitable sad sacks

there are only three countries smiling now, India, Russia and Israel. The rest are in shock


we owe the 5 eyes and the japs nothing.

I am indeed surprised at the response of "QUAD " ..wth ?!!.. looks like chai biskoot sessions.. absolutely not worth the time or effort