Operation Sindoor - Post Conflict Analysis

[bala]

Secret Role of Indian Navy in Attacking Pakistan | Cdr Sandeep Dhawan Explains

Commodore Sandeep Dhawan an expert on China and Indo-Pak dynamics explains the strengths of the Indian Navy to completely devastate places like Karachi. He explains the tremendous capability of the Indian Navy and its awesome arsenal of weapons. He mentions that around $28 B of China weaponry is parked in Pak land by China, which the Pak land budget does not afford. Pak land have around $8 B allocated for defence budget and more than half is eaten by salaries, so effectively they have around $ 3 B for weaponry acquisition. Most of the jeewhiz equipment of China is to test weaponry against India in a war scenario so that they can sell them to other nations. However, Op Sindoor has put a damper on such goals. Sandeep believes that the Chinese are into RRR - rob replicate replace. China has had access to Israeli tech, US tech and of course Russian tech. They have stolen many such systems data, which they faithfully replicate and produce in numbers. The quality of the replication is dubious and hence they are into constant replace mode.

Sandeep also claims that the Indian Navy is 80% indigenous with only engine tech remaining to be mastered by the IN and suppliers in India. There is a huge program to get ships built quickly. He also mentions that as far as the Indian Ocean is concerned, the IN has the means to crimp the Chinese Navy and stop their trade routes (choking Malacca Straits) in any tussle with the Chinese.

[Kanoji]

A pro India OSint x account (osinttv) suddenly disappeared.

One more reminder to India that we should have our own platforms such as X, Facebook etc.

[Amber G.]

Sharing Saurav Jha's analysis with respect to i Pakistan’s #KiranaHills facility.The nature of underground nuclear warhead storage facilities and examine the possibility of a nuclear-related emergency subsequent to a conventional strike.

Kirana Hills radiation rumours: How secure are mountainous nuclear storage sites

[VinodTK]

There seems to be a myopic belif in Pakistan; that no country openly supported India after the Pahalgam terrist attack; ran a quick ChatGPT query and the response was as follows:

Countries and Organizations That Publicly Supported India
Based on available reports, at least 30 countries and several international bodies issued statements condemning the attack and offering support to India. These include:

Major Global Powers

United States: President Donald Trump condemned the attack as "deeply disturbing" and affirmed U.S. support for India against terrorism.

Russia: President Vladimir Putin labeled the incident a "brutal crime" and reiterated Russia's commitment to counter-terrorism cooperation with India.

United Kingdom: Prime Minister Keir Starmer expressed devastation over the attack and extended condolences.

France: French leaders, including President Emmanuel Macron, condemned the "dastardly attack" and expressed solidarity with India.

Germany: Chancellor Olaf Scholz condemned the "heinous terrorist attack" and offered condolences.

Italy: Prime Minister Giorgia Meloni expressed deep sadness and solidarity with India.

Australia: Prime Minister Anthony Albanese described the attack as an "act of senseless violence" and conveyed support.

China: Despite complex bilateral relations, China condemned the attack and expressed support for India's fight against terrorism.

Middle Eastern and Muslim-Majority Countries

Saudi Arabia: Crown Prince Mohammad Bin Salman conveyed condolences and readiness to support India.

United Arab Emirates: The UAE condemned the attack as "heinous" and affirmed solidarity with India.

Iran: The Iranian embassy in New Delhi condemned the attack and extended heartfelt condolences.

Iraq: The Ministry of Foreign Affairs expressed full solidarity with India and condemned all forms of terrorism.

Jordan: The Ministry of Foreign Affairs condemned the attack and reaffirmed support for India.

Afghanistan (Taliban-led government): In a notable diplomatic development, the Taliban condemned the attack, and India's External Affairs Minister S. Jaishankar expressed gratitude for their solidarity.

Neighboring and Regional Countries

Bangladesh, Bhutan, Nepal, Sri Lanka: These countries condemned the attack and expressed solidarity with India.
Pakistan: While Pakistan expressed concern over the loss of lives, it did not explicitly condemn the attack or refer to it as a terrorist incident.

Other Nations

Israel: Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu and Foreign Minister Gideon Sa’ar condemned the attack and expressed solidarity.

Ukraine: The Ukrainian embassy in India condemned the attack and demanded accountability for the perpetrators.

Denmark: Prime Minister Mette Frederiksen condemned the attack and reaffirmed support for India.

New Zealand: Foreign Minister Winston Peters assured India of support and solidarity.

Estonia: Foreign Minister Margus Tsahkna condemned all forms of terrorism and violence against civilians.

Cyprus: The Foreign Ministry described the attack as "heinous" and extended full solidarity with India.

Mauritius: Former Prime Minister Pravind Jugnauth expressed shock and condemned the attacks.

Maldives: President Dr Mohamed Muizzu condemned the terrorist attack and affirmed commitment to combating terrorism.

Guyana: President Irfaan Ali called the attack a "tragic reminder of the devastating impact of extremism."

Sierra Leone: Foreign Minister Timothy Musa Kabba condemned the attack and discussed bilateral cooperation with India.

Algeria: Foreign Minister Ahmed Attaf expressed solidarity and support following the attack.

International Organizations

United Nations: Issued a statement condemning the attack and expressing condolences.
European Union: Also condemned the attack and expressed solidarity with India.
United States Commission on International Religious Freedom (USCIRF): Condemned the attack and expressed concern over the targeting of specific religious groups.

Summary
The Pahalgam attack prompted widespread international condemnation, with at least 30 countries and several international organizations expressing solidarity with India. The global response underscored a collective stance against terrorism and a commitment to supporting India during this challenging time.

[bala]

Should we call him as Failed Marshall or Failed Munir for Mullah Munir.

One of the reasons that made Mullah Munir a failed marshall is that the title gives him immunity againsts court martialling mullah munir. As PA chief he could be court martialled. A loss of at least 15 B and command and control center of nukes is gone and airbases, nuke storage are destroyed.

[Leonard]

Pakis and their Many Many -- shoot downs ...

https://iafhistory.in/2025/05/20/the-pa ... ial-ghost/

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By the 2010s, air defence had evolved into a contest of perception as much as firepower. The challenge was no longer just engaging what you saw, but determining whether what you saw was real. In this rapidly shifting battlespace, the Banshee emerged as a game-changer: part aerial target, part electronic warfare platform, and part decoy.

Developed by Meggitt Defence Systems, the Banshee was an internationally recognised aerial target drone, prized for its modular design and adaptability across various mission profiles. India acquired multiple variants, including the Banshee Jet 40+, which introduced jet propulsion, greater payload capacity, and advanced electronic countermeasure (ECM) capabilities.

Despite its compact dimensions—73 kg in weight, a 2.5-metre wingspan, and 3 metres in length—the Banshee packed immense versatility. It offered a 75-minute flight endurance, could reach altitudes of 23,000 feet, and cruised at 200 km/h. But speed wasn’t its strongest suit—simulation was. Outfitted with radar augmentation pods, IR flares, or ECM jammers, the Banshee could convincingly mimic a wide range of aerial threats.

India’s next step was to go local. As per a PIB release, under the Ministry of Defence’s Make-II program, Anadrone Systems secured a landmark contract to supply 125 Manoeuvrable Expendable Aerial Targets (MEAT), built around its Shikra platform—an Indian evolution of the Banshee Jet 40. By 2024, Anadrone, in collaboration with QinetiQ Target Systems of the UK, had delivered over 600 aerial targets, marking a significant milestone in India’s electronic warfare capability.

The impact of these systems became clear during recent tensions with Pakistan. The IAF is supposed to have launched multiple RPAs designed to mimic manned aircraft behaviour. Outfitted with radar signature enhancers and electronic beacons, these drones appeared on Pakistani radar as real fighters. Enemy sensors lit up. Air defence radars were activated, SAM batteries were powered on, and interceptors were scrambled.

Meanwhile, the IAF silently observed from a distance, recording radar frequencies, pinpointing SAM locations, and mapping defensive responses in real time. No manned aircraft crossed the border, and no pilot was at risk. Yet, entire enemy air defence grids were exposed.

In those moments, the Banshee was no longer a target. It was bait.
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https://x.com/AnchitGupta9/status/1924710560068993108

[sanjaykumar]

Mysteres gnats ajeets Toofanis Su-7s Mig 21 fishbed mig 23 mig 27.

That can be realistic bait. And also kamikaze drones.

[drnayar]

Pakis and their Many Many -- shoot downs ...

Well the pakis are on record saying it was the biggest aerial battle ever against hundreds of Indian fighters !!..and shot down a rafale..now we all know what that rafale really was !!

[jrjrao]

Another old timer popping in!

Here is a pretty balanced take from The Dispatch, USA:

India-Pakistan Hostilities Complicate India’s Diplomatic Options:
Will Washington be able to successfully navigate India’s evolving outlook?

By Bill Drexel
Bill Drexel is a fellow at the Hudson Institute, where he focuses on U.S.-India relations and strategic technologies.

[madhu]

The Pahalgam attack prompted widespread international condemnation, with at least 30 countries and several international organizations expressing solidarity with India. The global response underscored a collective stance against terrorism and a commitment to supporting India during this challenging time.

Palestine? Did they condemn or support India? I see still many Indian Leftists, talk about Gaza but not about Pahalgam. What's their stand?

[VinodTK]

Palestine? Did they condemn or support India? I see still many Indian Leftists, talk about Gaza but not about Pahalgam. What's their stand?

Madhu Jee, I can answer your question about Indian Leftists. However I cannot, because I do not want to be banned

[Deans]

My blog on op Sindhoor. I have left the technical analysis to professionals like AM Bedi (taken his permission). It's largely intended for a less
informed audience than BRF and to get our point of view abroad.

https://rpdeans.blogspot.com/2025/05/op ... alise.html

[Manish_P]

There seems to be a myopic belif in Pakistan; that no country openly supported India after the Pahalgam terrist attack; ran a quick ChatGPT query and the response was as follows: ....

Sir, do you expect the pak awaam to use ChatGPT?

The mullahs must first deem it halal and the uninformed Jihadis must be able to control the info it gives.

Till the the awaam is happily using the internet for browsing goat, camel, ...p@#n

[chetak]

VI@WA

One wonders if the QUAD will survive the selfish interests of the other member states who actually expect India to step in with "boots on the ground" if a kinetic conflagration breaks out between the amrikis and their cheeni pals

They have knowingly torched this enterprise and any mutual understanding of cooperation that the QUAD may have envisaged.

How Donald Trump Lost India on the Geopolitical Chessboard

Unfortunately, US President Donald Trump pre-empted Modi's speech with his own.

After having crossed the strongest of red lines for India - interference or mediation between India and Pakistan for "Kashmir", which is an integral state of India, part of which is illegally occupied by Pakistan - he doubled down. That happened because his ego made him take credit for what he called a "ceasefire" - while India called it an "understanding". As Modi's speech clearly showed, the US administration had no role to play in that sequence of events.

After completely ruining the India-US relationship, he threw another lighted match into the mix—a trade carrot that would be offered if India and Pakistan complied with his ideas. This equivalence between India and Pakistan was another red line.

With that, Trump just detonated years of U.S.-India defense diplomacy with one reckless outburst after another.

Declaring that trade should be used to pressure India was the last straw.

With that single remark, he confirmed India’s deepest strategic fear: that the U.S. is not a partner, but a power that plays favorites—and is ready to weaponize even alliances.

[Nihat]

An operational aspect that I'm hoping some experts will help clarify regarding Operation Sindhoor and even the fall out from Operation Bandar is regarding the rules of engagement followed by IAF, which on the surface seem to greatly increasese the risk to assets and pilots, and all that for what - some sense of strategic restraint and showing ourselves and patient.

As we did not cross the International border and undertook an air launched Brahmos / Hammer / Scalp strike at stand off range - this would not stop the Pakis from engaging us with PL-15 from within their airspace to engage oncoming IAF fighters. In such a situation, why not neutralize Paki air defense assets with precision timing to increase the chances of survival and safer return of out assets. Not like this adherence to war ethics of some sort prevented Pakis from launching at our military airbases and honestly no one in their right minds believed that they would refrain. It would be great is someone could help me understand this further, what is our thinking behind this strategic restraint.

[k prasad]

An operational aspect that I'm hoping some experts will help clarify regarding Operation Sindhoor and even the fall out from Operation Bandar is regarding the rules of engagement followed by IAF, which on the surface seem to greatly increasese the risk to assets and pilots, and all that for what - some sense of strategic restraint and showing ourselves and patient.

Apologies in advance for the long response.

There are--from my POV--three levels of "restraint" in the conduct of mil-ops, especially in the air domain:

1) Geopolitical restraint / understatement:
Tharoor said it very pithily when he called India a "status-quo power" that didn't want anything to do with Pakistan, and just wants to be left alone, while Pakistan is a "revisionist power [sic]", which requires a psychological tether to India to survive. In other words, India's strategic aim will always be to make our interactions with Pakistan minimal and inconspicuous to the world. Any disruption to this jeopardizes our great power ambitions and pathways, which plays into China's hands.

Meanwhile, Pakistan is the child who throws a tantrum when it seems like it's being ignored or forgotten. It has always sought to hype up any Indian use of force against it or its proxies, as a way to make the world pay attention. This automatically re-hyphenates the two countries. All our ops have been in retaliation for Pakistani aggression or terrorism, so by the time we are responding, Pakistan has already done what it wants, or it is cynically seeking to draw Indian retaliation - for e.g., the Parliament attack just when the US was closing in on Osama and Taliban leadership (and Op Parakram giving Pak the excuse to shift its forces to the border with India), or the Pahalgam attack when the Pakistani Army reputation was in the doldrums.

So either they launch terror attacks to keep Kashmir boiling without any punitive effects, or to draw an Indian reaction that will enable other strategic shifts. Combined with Pak's timely use of the nuclear sabre, it makes the west panic and immediately try to stop any operations. Stopping Indian operations is a win for Pakistan. E.g.... Kargil war came to an end right as the Pak Army was at its weakest. Not saying that it was a win for them. Just that they lived to fight another day, and with enough residual power as to allow Mushbaby to kick Nawaz out of the chair.

The only way for India to thread this needle is to impose sufficient hurt on Pak before the West comes to its rescue. We can do this either by:

(A) Covert methods, which we're increasingly using,
(B) By keeping the conflict sharply focused and limited, not rise to the Pakistani escalatory bait, so WE control the escalatory ladder, which we did in Kargil... by the time Nawaz ran to Clinton-kaaka, he had no legitimate complaints about India that would hold water, so came away with nothing. We also did this to some extent in the Uri and Balakot strikes, although Abhinandan's shootdown lost us control of the ladder, while giving Pakistan an automatic ramp-down that we didn't mind either. Sindhoor, IMO, our control of the ladder was tighter, but very tenuous. I don't think India had much more it could've done by day 5 without losing control of the situation and our own strategic objectives. We could/should have inflicted way more damage on day 4 when we bombed their air bases, but this was risky, and hindsight is 20/20.

(C) A third way is to do what Israel has done -- keep raising the punishment levels till the world starts getting used to the new normal, where we stay below the threshold of (western) panic but above the threshold of Pakistani pain. I think Sindhoor was the first operation that inflicted truly tangible pain on Pakistan, light as it was. I think the new doctrine means that future operations will lead to this normalization, and within a decade, I suspect we'll be hitting them regularly without the West caring much, just as Pakistani terrorism in the late 90s-mid 2000s was so common that the west saw it as normal business in the subcontinent. Till then, the naughty child kept kicking and throwing pebbles at us and people just walked on. When we gave the first few slaps, they took note. As we give the kid more slaps, they'll get used to that too.


2) Tactical restraint:

The strategic imperative for keeping operations under the threshold of panic then influences the tactical decisions we make re use of force, keeping the force application small and focused, both in objective and in areas of operation. This means hitting remote areas where it wont be as public (Uri), limiting civilian access (Balakote), or using quick and stealthy ingresses so we don't light up the enter theater and trip the switches, so to speak - a quick operation before the world notices (Sindoor day 1).

However, this means we cannot show our hand much by overprotecting our attack force. Their stealth needs to be their armour. So our AD systems are kept minimal, don't make any moves that might raise the attention of the enemy, and keep the attacking force small and nimble. The risk is that if they do catch us, there's more likely to be a loss. But that's the way of war. Now, in the context of Sindoor, this wasn't a factor because the RoE becomes relevant on Day 2 & 3, when Pakistan launched its retaliation. By this time, everyone was aware, so a reaction was expected and prepared for.

3) Collateral-damage limiting restraint:
Aerial or missile operations create an automatic risk to civilian air traffic. The worst possible outcome for India would be accidentally hitting a passenger jet - it'll set our strategic gains back by years if not decades. Which means we have to balance out the tradeoff between providing NOTAMs in case of operations (which warns Pakistan that an attack is coming) vs taking on some of the risk ourselves by not being hair-trigger reactive. This was the case on Sindoor day 2 & 3, where Pak operated behind the cover of commercial jets. I won't discount the likelihood that they also had some innovations that caught us by surprise, and that's something we'll need to train for and adapt to in future engagements. They aren't a tinpot army, but highly capable, so I wouldn't be surprised if they did inflict some losses on us. But that doesn't mean they won or are capable of defeating us.

As we did not cross the International border and undertook an air launched Brahmos / Hammer / Scalp strike at stand off range - this would not stop the Pakis from engaging us with PL-15 from within their airspace to engage oncoming IAF fighters. In such a situation, why not neutralize Paki air defense assets with precision timing to increase the chances of survival and safer return of out assets. Not like this adherence to war ethics of some sort prevented Pakis from launching at our military airbases and honestly no one in their right minds believed that they would refrain. It would be great is someone could help me understand this further, what is our thinking behind this strategic restraint.

It's not just strategic restraint, but operational and tactical restraint as well, as I explained above.

The level of restraint depends on the operational goals. If we're trying to take out specific set of targets like Madrassas, etc, hitting Pak Air Bases just to ensure guaranteed survivability of our forces is a disproportionate use of force, like breaking someone's legs to get back the wallet they stole from us. Everyone will notice the broken legs, no one will care about our stolen wallet, and we lose narrative control quicker. I'm sure our forces and defence scientists will look for smarter ways to do both in the future. They already did so, and this resulted in minimal losses, if any.

Note that we did indeed neutralize the Pak AD assets that we needed to take out of action. We didn't hold back. It was a clever balance between knowing what punches we could block and what we ribs needed to jab back at. I think we did pretty well, although I'd have loved to see a more significant level of strikes on the last day.

[chetak]

https://www.tripurastarnews.com/unmogip ... rom-india/

India has cancelled the United Nations Military Observer Group's visas and ordered them to leave within ten days.

India has done with UNMOGIP what Israel did with UNRWA.

The United Nations Military Observer Group (UNMOGIP) has been based in India since 1948.

Its job was to keep an eye on the Kashmir dispute between India and Pakistan, but in reality, this organisation had become like a foreign censor board against India.

Their accommodation, food, vehicle, and travelling were all paid for by the government of India.

UNMOGIP not only blamed India on open forums multiple times, but also tried to portray Kashmir as a trilateral issue, not a bilateral one.

They even said that India was not allowing us to work, was not meeting our expenses, was increasing the allowances, and was giving us more money.

The guests who had entered the house were now threatening the host.

[srai]

Pakis and their Many Many -- shoot downs ...

Next time use the Banshee type mimicking Su-30MKI and then launch 3 x Brahmos from ground launchers as the Banshee passes over head

[Hriday]

My blog on op Sindhoor. I have left the technical analysis to professionals like AM Bedi (taken his permission). It's largely intended for a less
informed audience than BRF and to get our point of view abroad.

https://rpdeans.blogspot.com/2025/05/op ... alise.html

Deans ji, very interesting post. I am giving some excerpts here. If you don't want I will delete or modify as per your suggestion. Thank you.

As per Deans we didn't hit Kirana hills nuclear weapons storage site and it was a Pakistani propaganda to raise nuclear flash point..WOW! So even that aircraft activity to detect radiation was a part of propaganda. It makes sense because India was unusually restrained in hitting back at Pakistan at all levels.

Most people will be lazy to read a full article. I hope by giving some excerpts they will get interested and read the full article.
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Excerpts from Deans blog given below without using quote function.

In 2025, Pakistan’s economy is projected to be just 9% of India’s. At current rates of growth, in 2031, Pakistan’s GDP will be 7% of India’s. In other words, India will start adding a Pakistan to its economy each year. The projection for Pakistan do not take into account the effect of a rising insurgency and loss of agricultural output from a drop in Indus water availability.
The under 2.5% annual GDP growth that Pakistan is expected to experience in the decade upto 2030, is the same as population growth, so per capita income will experience no rise for ten years.

A bigger problem is the size of the Pakistan army. It is half of India's with a seventh of the budget.

This fall in the army’s popularity was exacerbated by a stolen election, where, despite all attempts to ban former PM Imran Khan and his party and split his supporters, a free election would have seen his nominees win a majority. The incumbent govt is therefore seen as a front for the army (by those who didn’t see it earlier) which has made people blame the army for the failing economy.

Why Pahalgam: A couple of weeks before the Pahalgam attack, I had written in Linkedin that either the Pakistani army chief would have to achieve some success in the form of a terrorist attack in Kashmir...

Throughout its history when a risk has not paid off, Pakistan has resorted to a desperate `all or nothing’ gamble.

Doubling down on a failed bet, is a Pakistan army tradition. The Indian intel failure at Kargil was to assume the Pak army leadership would act rationally.

Pahalgam in my view was like Kargil. It was Gen. Munir’s attempt to regain popularity, divert attention from economic woes and the raging insurgency in Baluchistan and try to revive the Kashmir issue ..

As the army is not accountable for Pakistan’s long term economic health and its leadership has already enriched themselves, they have an incentive to take such gambles. For Gen Munir, it worked, as he has become Field Marshal.

The only way to stop terrorism from Pakistan was if the common man (the Pakistani Punjabi farmer) felt the damage Pakistan’s policy was causing him. That will happen when the flow of water from the Indus and its tributaries is affected.

Pakistan’s ISPR (Inter services public relations) has a 600 crore budget to control the narrative during a war.

Thus, within hours of India announcing that it hit 9 targets, about 600 handles all over the world (a lot from China) announced that Pakistan had downed 5 aircraft.

We have a limited inventory of missiles and continuing the air war would have led to losses on both sides, with no additional objective of ours being achieved.

We have also not destroyed Pakistan’s nuclear capability, with any strike in the Kirana hills area. Just as Pakistan made wildly exaggerated claims, our media has been irresponsible with their reporting on nuclear weapons.

Though the size of the countries, or even the army sizes may suggest otherwise, India’s army or air force do not have any significant numerical advantage against Pakistan.

Since the Pakistan army chief has been promoted to Field marshal and the army has regained popularity, there is no incentive for the
army to provoke India. In about a year, once the disruption in Indus river begins to have an effect, there might be some discussions over terrorism in exchange for a renegotiated IWT.

[SBajwa]

My blog on op Sindhoor. I have left the technical analysis to professionals like AM Bedi (taken his permission). It's largely intended for a less
informed audience than BRF and to get our point of view abroad.

https://rpdeans.blogspot.com/2025/05/op ... alise.html

Excellent Analysis! as always Sir!

Jai Hind
Thank You!

[Agasthi]

Deans Ji, excellent analysis, sums up the whole thing! Pakistan GDP being 7-9% of India's should sober pakis up but no they will grind their own country down to hell.

[Mollick.R]

Should we call him as Failed Marshall or Failed Munir for Mullah Munir.

One of the reasons that made Mullah Munir a failed marshall is that the title gives him immunity againsts court martialling mullah munir. As PA chief he could be court martialled. A loss of at least 15 B and command and control center of nukes is gone and airbases, nuke storage are destroyed.

Failed Marshall Mullah Munir

aka FM3

& thus hereby I propose New BRF dictionary jargon word

FM3 == Failed Marshall Mullah Munir
Hope, Bradmins concur

[Deans]

My blog on op Sindhoor. I have left the technical analysis to professionals like AM Bedi (taken his permission). It's largely intended for a less
informed audience than BRF and to get our point of view abroad.

https://rpdeans.blogspot.com/2025/05/op ... alise.html

Deans ji, very interesting post. I am giving some excerpts here. If you don't want I will delete or modify as per your suggestion. Thank you.

Hriday ji, Thanks and I'm quite happy to have the blogpost or excerpts circulated. The purpose is to combat Pak disinformation with logic and
quoting experts where possible. I had added a quote at the end from the RUSI, the world's foremost think tank, which summarizes the point the blog makes - that it was not about which aircraft did what, but India's response to terrorism.

[Hriday]

My blog on op Sindhoor. I have left the technical analysis to professionals like AM Bedi (taken his permission). It's largely intended for a less
informed audience than BRF and to get our point of view abroad.

https://rpdeans.blogspot.com/2025/05/op ... alise.html

Deans ji, as per you Kirana hills nuclear weapons storage site were not hit. But there is a strong evidence of a strike there. At least there exists a video of the vertical contrails of a missile and an explosion which was geo located at the site. Further proofs by Jaidev Jamval given below,
https://x.com/JaidevJamwal/status/19254 ... zhbTg&s=19

Here is satellite imagery showing marks of a munitions hit on Pakistani nuclear storage facility in Kirana Hills.

The facility has storage site for conventional munitions as well as nuclear weapons. This section, which is constructed under the rocky hill, most likely serves

1/

Conclusions:
-Kirana Hills was hit twice.
-Target was very likely Paki nuclear facility
-Purpose, unknown.
-Damage. Unknown, but along with other hits, good enough to break paki military's morale.
-Any nuclear explosions happened, no.
-Radiation leak, rather limited if any.

7/

I had written this only half in jest. Many thanks to those who offered help. I accepted the offer of one person who wishes only to be known as a patriotic citizen of India. This satellite image helped confirm my theory with concrete proof.
Thanks again.

x.com/JaidevJamwal/s…

8/8

[Rakesh]

So an IAF veteran (@KRANTII01) posted his analysis of the losses the Pakistan Armed Forces (mainly the PAF) suffered during Operation Sindoor.

Click on the link below to read the report. Interesting read.

https://x.com/KRANTII01/status/1925529452269719910 ---> Operation Sindoor PAF losses inflicted by IAF: Strat & Ops Impact.

Total Estimated Impact on Pakistan: approximate US $7.63 billion: losses, repairs needed, replacements & new procurement.

[A_Gupta]

Mod Note: Please edit your post to learn how to post YouTube videos. I have edited your post for this time. Thank you for providing a good summary of the video.

Jiten Jain on The Gunner Shot makes a case that India's media by propagating fake news and India-made deep fakes and the bureaucracy by not giving frequent information updates helped India do very poorly in the information war.

General Hasnain says the aspects of strategic communication are credibility, consistency, continuity, organizational backup (to keep generating the messages and do the build-up in a sustained effort), professional academic backup, clear objectives and clear targets. Add to that, the means of communication, and organized effort, not scattershot random campaigns by well-meaning people. When misinformation is used, it has to be credible misinformation so it takes days to debunk.

Strategic communication is not just a battle-time activity, it is always on, even in peacetime. Gen Hasnain outlines an organizational structure in the YouTube. Timeliness - Gen Hasnaian has high praise for e.g, the narration of the protection of the Golden Temple in Amritsar, he just wishes it had come out earlier. etc. I recommend listening to the YouTube and forming your own conclusions about what should be done.

NAILING PAKISTAN'S LIES / A CASA

[Rakesh]

Next time when you see Pak propoganda, please see the following video. The Pak Govt has an entire, dedicated team devoted to dis-information. Their job daily is to scour social media (Twitter, Instagram, TikTok, etc), TV channels and counter any negative Pak propaganda. At the beginning of the video, the gentleman sitting at the head of the table is the Pak Govt's Federal Minister for Information and Broadcasting, Attaullah Tarar.

Check out the link below...

VIDEO: https://x.com/FrustIndian/status/1924126087069466768 ---> Pakistan’s social media management HQ. They worked considerably harder on keyboards and screens than on the battle ground. To them this is Victory, reminds me of some domestic entity too, any guesses?

[Rakesh]

https://x.com/subnut/status/1924705484923343011 ---> Definitely worth reading.

[Rakesh]

Poor performance of Turkish and Chinese drones embarrass Pakistani military
https://directus.gr/poor-performance-of ... -military/
21 May 2025

Pakistani drones could not prove effective during the recent military clashes with India as almost all of them failed to hit the targets in the rival country. At the same time, Indian drones carried out attacks on the Pakistani military sites with precision. It came as a major embarrassment to the Pakistani military as the Turkey-made and China-manufactured drones apparently turned useless. India is said to have thwarted a similar attack from Pakistan as the wreckage of the intercepted drones was seen everywhere. Both nuclear powers launched waves of drone and missile attacks on each other amid the tension over deadly attacks on Indian tourists by Pakistan-based terrorists. International news correspondents on-ground reported the Pakistani drones that appeared as orange dots over Indian skies flashed and faded as Indian missiles intercepted them. Pakistan has a limited number of drones and is dependent on China and Turkey. However, India’s drones are far more sophisticated as they can be used in all three formats– ground, air and sea drones, said James Patton Rogers, a drone warfare expert at Cornell University.

Turkey-manufactured Byker YIHA III Kamikaze drones were easily shot down by Indian security forces using quick-reaction air-defence guns once they entered Indian airspace. To make matters worse, some Turkish drones fell inside Pakistan. “No wonder India’s air defence easily destroyed the large-scale drone attack. Turkish drones are only useful against militias, not against any country with a half-functioning air defence system,” said Paul Antonopoulos, a Research Fellow at the Belgrade-based Centre for Syncretic Studies. Pakistani drones struggled to assault the Indian military installations even though their number dotted the skies and ended up hitting a few residential areas. “The threats were swiftly neutralised … No casualties or material losses were reported,” said the Indian Ministry of Defence on Pakistani drone and missile attacks. On the other hand, Indian drones damaged a few military stations in Pakistan, thus creating panic among people. Indian drones are based on the Israeli-made reconnaissance UAVs.

The Turkish drones used by Pakistan easily fell prey to the Indian defence system. “Around 300 to 400 drones were used to attempt infiltration at 36 locations. The Indian armed forces shot down many of these drones using kinetic and non-kinetic means. Forensic investigation of the wreckage of the drones is being done. Initial reports suggest that they are Turkish Asisguard Songar drones,” said Colonel Sofiya Qureshi of the Indian Army. Turkish drones have been reported to be vulnerable to counter-attacks elsewhere as well. Several Turkish Bayraktar drones were shot down in Syria in 2019. UN investigators found that these drones performed poorly in Libya in 2021 and were easily destroyed in the air. “Turkey-supplied Bayraktar TB-2 unmanned combat aerial vehicles, which were vulnerable to ground attack When launched, they were easily destroyed in the air by the Pantsir S-1 air defence system,” as per the UN assessment report.

The Pakistani army had inducted three drones designed by the Chengdu Aircraft Industry Group of China in 2021. However, they soon encountered a major technical snag related to the GPS functioning. Moreover, a serious fault in the High-Performance Synthetic Aperture Radar, Nitrogen leakage from cameras and a problem with SATCOM Antenna turned the drones into a non-starter. Plagued by critical failures, the Chinese drones became an issue of major concern over reliability and effectiveness in Pakistan. India in 2024 blamed Pakistan for using drones to smuggle narcotics, arms and improvised explosive devices. About 90 such drones were shot down by the Indian forces using a hand-held static and vehicle-mounted anti-drone system. Most of these drones were Chinese, said Nitin Agrawal, the then director general of India’s Border Security Force (BSF). “The drones that we shoot down and seize are largely made in China and mostly Chinese DJI,” he said.


While Pakistan has made substantial progress in drone development, India’s advanced air-defence systems like S-400 reduce its effectiveness, said Zohaib Altaf, a Research Officer at the Washington-based Centre for International Strategic Studies (CISS). “Although Pakistan has developed drones domestically, its drone supply is still largely dependent on foreign imports and its domestic production capacity is limited by its weak indigenous drone industry. This reliance on external sources could become a vulnerability in a protracted conflict, such as a full-scale war with India,” he said.

[RCase]

Should we call him as Failed Marshall or Failed Munir for Mullah Munir.

One of the reasons that made Mullah Munir a failed marshall is that the title gives him immunity againsts court martialling mullah munir. As PA chief he could be court martialled. A loss of at least 15 B and command and control center of nukes is gone and airbases, nuke storage are destroyed.

Failed Marshall Mullah Munir

aka FM3

& thus hereby I propose New BRF dictionary jargon word

FM3 == Failed Marshall Mullah Munir
Hope, Bradmins concur

FM-AM - Failed Marshall Asim Munir - Pak ka band bajega dunno modulation mein!

[Rakesh]

Calibrated Force: Operation Sindoor and the Future of Indian Deterrence
https://www.rusi.org/explore-our-resear ... deterrence
21 May 2025

Dr Walter Ladwig

[Amber G.]

Seriously a new low - Does INC really think this is a viable line of attack?

[A_Gupta]

Seriously a new low - Does INC really think this is a viable line of attack?

If only they focused this talent on Pakistan instead of internally.

[Amber G.]

Operation Sindoor has set three principles to combat terrorism.

First, if there is a terrorist attack on India a befitting reply will be given. The time will be decided by our forces, the method will also be decided by our forces, and the conditions will also be ours.

Second, India is not going to be scared by empty threats of the atom bomb.

Third, we will not see the masterminds of terror and the Government that patronises terror as separate; we will consider them as one and the same. This game of Pakistan of state and non-state actors will not work anymore.

~ Prime Minister SrivNarendra modi at Bikaner.

[RCase]

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Destruction of Muridke from the enemy's side. Shows the destroyed buildings, mosque and remnants of the missile(s)!

Pakistan shows off damage caused by Indian missiles in Punjab province town of Muridke

Muridke, Pakistan - 7 May 2025

1. Pan of mosque damaged by a suspected Indian missile attack

2. Various of aftermath

3. SOUNDBITE (English) Muhammad Usman, Deputy Commissioner of Sheikhupura: "There were missile attacks, and four buildings were demolished, and one is an admin block at your back side, and on my behind is the mosque which is completely demolished and the other two were the residences. Unfortunately, three civilian casualties happened in the admin block and one person was injured.”

4. Various of parts of missiles

5. Various of compound in aftermath

STORYLINE: Pakistan's military showed local and foreign media the damage caused by Indian missiles in the Punjab province town of Muridke on Wednesday. Rubble at a damaged mosque and compound were displayed as well as parts of missiles in Pakistan’s largest province town of Muridke. India fired missiles into Pakistani-controlled territory in several locations early Wednesday, as the overall death toll increased to 31 people in what Pakistan’s leader called an act of war. India also claims there are casualties from Pakistani fire in the Indian-controlled portion of Kashmir.

India said it struck infrastructure used by militants linked to last month’s massacre of tourists in the Indian-controlled portion of Kashmir. At least seven people died in Indian-controlled Kashmir from artillery exchanges. Pakistan said at 26 people died in the missiles strikes and five from artillery exchange along the Line of Control that separates the two countries in Kashmir. It said another 5 were killed in artillery fire near the Line of Control. Pakistan claimed it shot down several Indian aircraft in retaliation, including three top-line fighter jets. Two planes fell onto villages in India-controlled Kashmir. One fell in northern Punjab state. Tensions have soared between the nuclear-armed neighbors over last month’s militant attack on tourists in the Indian-controlled portion of Kashmir.

[A_Gupta]

YouTube: https://youtu.be/-EUAJvp3Xgs?si=dmEg3sj1MZvrkjUR
India Today article: https://www.indiatoday.in/world/story/u ... 2025-05-22

Ankit Awasthi tells us that Trump has claimed he arranged a ceasefire between India and Pakistan eight different times.
(Hindi, YouTube : https://www.youtube.com/live/kYjFl_d8QG ... lDZ67Il_T1

EAM Jaishankar:

"We made one thing very clear to everybody who spoke to us, not just the United States but to everyone, saying if the Pakistanis want to stop fighting, they need to tell us. We need to hear it from them. Their general has to call up our general and say this. And that is what happened," he said.

Jaishankar said that the ceasefire was directly negotiated between Islamabad and New Delhi, stressing that there was no role by any other country.

{Dutch Interviewer from YouTube transcript: " and where was the US in this process?"

"The US was in the United States," Jaishankar quipped.

Added reminder: "Trump's assertions have contributed to Pakistan's framing of the conflict as a military success".

[Vayutuvan]

Wikipedia has three pages on this conflict and they are actively being edited.

1. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2025_Indi ... tan_crisis: Events leading up to the conflict
2. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2025_Indi ... n_conflict: The conflict itself including claimed losses, Turkey/China involvement, ceasefire, ...
3. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2025_Indi ... _agreement: How the ceasefire agreement came about

It is worth watching who are all the editors who are actively participating, their loyalties, what other pages they have edited, created, actively participated in the respective talk pages, and/or engaged in edit wars.

Wikipedia has the gumption to say Indian media is unreliable in general. I hope somebody in GoI is looking at these pages and try to prevent the wrong version of what had transpired to be made permanent at Wikipedia.

[Amber G.]

This is our PM!!!

[Amber G.]

xpost = This is a must-watch! It’s not every day you hear this kind of honesty on U.S. mainstream media — but this video breaks through in a big way. Please share it widely:

India is Furious at Trump: Here's Why

[Amber G.]

Another Masterpiece Interview;
'Stop Pretending Pakistan Is Not Involved': Jaishankar Says Islamabad Epicentre Of Terrorism

The India-Pakistan understanding on cessation of hostilities was arrived at following direct negotiations between the two sides, Jaishankar said while speaking to Dutch broadcaster NOS.

Source : PTI
External Affairs Minister S Jaishankar on Thursday dismissed US President Donald Trump's claims on mediating the India-Pakistan ceasefire, saying both sides "directly negotiated" the ceasefire.

The India-Pakistan understanding on cessation of hostilities was arrived at following direct negotiations between the two sides, Jaishankar said while speaking to Dutch broadcaster NOS.

The minister also said that India will again hit terrorists in Pakistan in response to any future terror strikes like the one in Pahalgam, suggesting that it was the reason why Operation Sindoor has not been concluded.

Jaishankar also said that the government was very clear that if there is such an attack, there will be a response.

"The operation continues because there is a clear message in that operation - that if there are acts of the kind we saw on April 22, there will be a response, that we will hit the terrorists," he said.

"If the terrorists are in Pakistan, we will hit them where they are. So, there is a message in continuing the operation but continuing the operation is not the same as firing on each other," he said.

In a separate interview to Dutch daily De Volkskrant, Jaishankar said "stop pretending Pakistan is not involved in terrorist attacks on India."

Jaishankar was asked about his December 2022 remark labelling Pakistan the 'epicentre of terrorism', to which he responded, "I'm not suggesting it... I'm stating it."

"Suppose there were military centres in the middle of Amsterdam, in which tens of thousands gather for military training. Would you say your government knows nothing about that?" the minister said.

Under Operation Sindoor, India carried out precision strikes on nine terror infrastructures early on May 7 in response to the April 22 Pahalgam terror attack.

Following the Indian action, Pakistan attempted to attack Indian military bases on May 8, 9 and 10. The Pakistani attempts were strongly responded to by the Indian side.

Foreign Secretary Vikram Misri on May 10 announced that India and Pakistan reached an understanding to stop all firings and military actions on land, air and sea, with immediate effect.

In his remarks, Jaishankar said the arrangement on cessation of hostilities was firmed up by the Indian and the Pakistani sides.

"When two countries are engaged in a conflict, it is natural that countries in the world call up and try to sort of indicate their concern," he said.

"But the cessation of firing and military action was something which was negotiated directly between India and Pakistan. We made one thing very clear to everybody who spoke to us, not just the US but to everybody, saying if the Pakistanis want to stop fighting, they need to tell us. We need to hear it from them. Their general has to call up our general and say this. And that is what happened," Jaishankar added.