Indian Missiles News & Discussions - 30 June 2022

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https://x.com/alpha_defense/status/1924 ... a8XGQ&s=19
Did you know?
DRDO’s new ‘Indhan-1’ propellant makes missile performance go “zoom” by raising the pressure index (n) in the classic burn rate equation r = aPⁿ. A higher n means faster thrust build-up perfect for next gen light and zippy SAM Systems like Kusha.
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It was long believed that India acquired RVV-SD (R-77-1) missiles from Russia post-2014 a longer-range, improved variant of the R-77. No official confirmation existed, only media reports. Now we know for a fact 🇮🇳 operates RVV-SD, as support services for these missiles are being acquired.
From Wikipedia,

1. RVV-AE (izdeliye 190) – Russian-built export model of the R-77. Compared to all newer variants this missile has a reduced maximum range of 80 kilometres (50 mi) with 22.5 kg warhead.[2]

2. RVV-SD – Russian-built export model of the R-77-1. The missile has a maximum range of 110 kilometres (68 mi) with a 22.5 kg warhead.[4]
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Hope the upcoming 40,000 Cr emergency procurement is not wasted on RVV-AD when a superior Astra-Mk1 exists

So far, only a token Astra-Mk1 order has been made, while we wait for Mk2

Other than WVR-AAMs, we should not be buying any more A2A missiles from abroad
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Data Patterns expects production orders for Brahmos Seekers after successful flight tests
https://www.thehindubusinessline.com/ne ... 594376.ece
19 May 2025
Data Patterns’ products already power the ground-based and mobile-based launches of the Brahmos missile, and now it will also supply the seekers for the missile, which is said to have a played a key role in the recent Operation Sindoor.
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Rakesh, This new seeker is RF Scan imaging sensor. The competition is ECIL seeker. Don't know if it's tested.

The other seekers are RF Monopulse.
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India, Russia begin talks on advanced BrahMos missile production - ET
India and Russia following the success of jointly produced BrahMos missiles in Operation Sindoor and subsequent conflict with Pakistan have launched negotiations for manufacturing an advanced version of the missile.

Russia, it is understood, has extended full technical support for jointly producing an advanced version of the missile in India, ET has learnt. Initial negotiations have already been held between New Delhi and Moscow on the issue, ET has further learnt.

The newly inaugurated BrahMos facility in Uttar Pradesh has been identified for producing the advanced version of missiles, according to informed sources. The facility will produce missiles in substantial numbers, sources informed.
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SSridhar wrote: 25 May 2025 12:06 India, Russia begin talks on advanced BrahMos missile production - ET
India and Russia following the success of jointly produced BrahMos missiles in Operation Sindoor and subsequent conflict with Pakistan have launched negotiations for manufacturing an advanced version of the missile.

Russia, it is understood, has extended full technical support for jointly producing an advanced version of the missile in India, ET has learnt. Initial negotiations have already been held between New Delhi and Moscow on the issue, ET has further learnt.

The newly inaugurated BrahMos facility in Uttar Pradesh has been identified for producing the advanced version of missiles, according to informed sources. The facility will produce missiles in substantial numbers, sources informed.
Russia for sure will need indian expertise as well .. this will be a mutually beneficial collaboration
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A few question on this collab.
Why is Russia not using Brahmos in the fight in Ukraine? Yes it is a joint missile production after all but no use so far.
If Russia is using a local version based on P800 Oniks then how has been the performance of that missile in the Ukraine theater?
Is it being intercepted by anti missile defences Patriot yada yada? If so what is make Brahmos different if anything? The specs between P800 and Brahmos seem similar 2.9 Mach /advanced guidance and S loop before termination. Yes we have seen Brahmos be almost invincible in the IndoPak theater but can we rightfully extend this performance claim worldwide?
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Probably cost and other factors.
Source: Interfax-Ukraine news agency, citing Ukrainian Air Force Spokesman Yurii Ihnat

Quote from Ihnat: "Oniks missiles were designed to destroy boats and warships. It flies at Mach 2.6. This is more than 3000 km per hour, so the speed is considerable. It can climb high to save fuel while on the move. When approaching the target, the missile can fly 10-15 metres above the water to destroy the ship, making it difficult for the air defence systems to detect and shoot it down."

Details: However, he said, electronic warfare systems have been helpful in countering this type of missile. "That's why we see that not all missiles reach their targets," Ihnat said.
Source: Ukrainian Air Force explains challenges of destroying Russian Oniks missiles
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Jayram wrote: 25 May 2025 20:46 A few question on this collab.
Why is Russia not using Brahmos in the fight in Ukraine? Yes it is a joint missile production after all but no use so far.
If Russia is using a local version based on P800 Oniks then how has been the performance of that missile in the Ukraine theater?
Is it being intercepted by anti missile defences Patriot yada yada? If so what is make Brahmos different if anything? The specs between P800 and Brahmos seem similar 2.9 Mach /advanced guidance and S loop before termination. Yes we have seen Brahmos be almost invincible in the IndoPak theater but can we rightfully extend this performance claim worldwide?
The big difference is Ukraine gets EW and ISR support from the west. Add to that western AD/Anti Drone systems makes the fight a bit more even.
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Possibly, with the sanctions Russia is not able to source the electronics components required. Brahmos is a modern derivate of the P800 with a much more advanced seeker and control laws. Likely this uses components that Russia cant source by itself in the open market anymore and spinning up a program for a local replacement is neither cost effective nor required given that they have other stuff in the arsenal.
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Jayram wrote: 25 May 2025 20:46 A few question on this collab.
Why is Russia not using Brahmos in the fight in Ukraine? Yes it is a joint missile production after all but no use so far.
If Russia is using a local version based on P800 Oniks then how has been the performance of that missile in the Ukraine theater?
Is it being intercepted by anti missile defences Patriot yada yada? If so what is make Brahmos different if anything? The specs between P800 and Brahmos seem similar 2.9 Mach /advanced guidance and S loop before termination. Yes we have seen Brahmos be almost invincible in the IndoPak theater but can we rightfully extend this performance claim worldwide?
Good question. The biggest reason is Russia has bombers to deliver cruise missiles and bombs after the air defences are destroyed. In Ukraine they are using Glide bombs, Hypersonic etc.
India chose to adapt the Brahmos A for Su-30MKI as initial capability for airborne strike. Looking at the booster ejecta, the range is much more than the stated 500 km.
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Some interesting bits about Project Kusha and other missiles - link.
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williams wrote: 26 May 2025 04:30
Jayram wrote: 25 May 2025 20:46 A few question on this collab.
Why is Russia not using Brahmos in the fight in Ukraine? Yes it is a joint missile production after all but no use so far.
If Russia is using a local version based on P800 Oniks then how has been the performance of that missile in the Ukraine theater?
Is it being intercepted by anti missile defences Patriot yada yada? If so what is make Brahmos different if anything? The specs between P800 and Brahmos seem similar 2.9 Mach /advanced guidance and S loop before termination. Yes we have seen Brahmos be almost invincible in the IndoPak theater but can we rightfully extend this performance claim worldwide?
The big difference is Ukraine gets EW and ISR support from the west. Add to that western AD/Anti Drone systems makes the fight a bit more even.
It was not just Brahmos, it is good to look at the good interoperability between Bharat's different sensor and shooter systems, it all worked in tandem as expected. Things would have been different in a degraded/denied environment and that would be what we will going to look at.

Proven indigenous systems pave the way for upgrades and better systems. Imported systems can only go so far, hence the project Kusha., which will take the whole Indian Air defense system to another level backed by new OTH radars at one end and very low-level interception systems at tactical level. It would be a state of the art desi "Iron Dome". We would also have a deployed LEO anti-satellite capability when fully developed., don't think it will be advertised though.
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Tamang wrote: 30 May 2025 16:56 Some interesting bits about Project Kusha and other missiles - link.
Thank you Tamang ji for the link. Some excerpts given below. See page 10 onwards in the PDF.
Kusha is like S-400 type of a program. It is going to be 150 kilometer range, 250 kilometer, 400 kilometer kind of a thing, okay. We are providing lot of subsystems to Kusha. In fact, because of urgency and lot of pressure from MOD, DRDO has placed order on couple of industries. We are the first people to deliver the systems. Almost four, five subsystems we are doing for the Kusha program, it goes into onboard this thing. Critical actuation system like radar actuation, front actuation and all we have already supplied. We are the first people to
deliver the subsystems. We are also doing launcher systems also we are making, and we will be completing any time next quarter before September.

....

Sure. Next question is, if you can give an update on the ATGMs because there is lot of things happening on that side as well as I read couple of articles on Rudram, STAR and I think it should be LRGB also there is lot of trial happening. So do you expect any orders from these
programs in FY '26 as well or mostly it will be in FY '27 and later? First if you can give update and then, please. Baddam K. Reddy: LRGB, we are expecting orders, when it is some emergency orders also we are expecting. This LRGB DCPP partner, Adani is one of the DCPP partner. In fact, there was emergency enquiry
also we have submitted and under emergency they are expecting some orders. And also bulk quantity orders also they are expecting before this financial year end.

Addepalli Sai Kumar: And also NAG, HELINA and other MPATGMs we have participation. There are different
actuation system, fuses and other things like several systems are going in multiple ATGMs actually.

Baddam K. Reddy: Few hundred already enquiry has come already. I think next one month's time they will be
releasing order.
Addepalli Sai Kumar: Which also includes Rudram and STAR.
Baddam K. Reddy: Yes.
See the bolded part in the above. Does it means Kusha missile system (atleast M1 missile) is ready for induction?
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Hriday wrote: 30 May 2025 19:56See the bolded part in the above. Does it means Kusha missile system (atleast M1 missile) is ready for induction?
See, these are DRDO orders, not MoD orders.
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SivaR wrote: 29 May 2025 21:38 A nice interview (In Tamil) by Dr. Sivadhanu Pillai, Father of Brahmos Missile, from Dr. Abdul Kalam's legacy. He discusses lot of technical info about Brahmos , its development history and his motivation to create something World-class.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GdZHSCViXPA
A gold mine of interview, building the Brahmos against MTCR(Missile Technology Control Regime), fully indigenous, identifying 200 critical technologies for the development, setting the strategies to build all these as a program manager. Negotiating and Building JV with Russia as a equal partner, these lessons can be used for AMCA engine development.
x-posting from op sindoor thread

Really great interview, I have listed a few things that I remember

About how he came to work for ISRO and how Brahmos came to be
  • Dr Pillai wanted to join tamil nadu electricity board after college, a chance encounter with Sarabhai made him choose ISRO instead.
  • He talks about how Dr Kalam always wanted India to be first. Dr Kalam talked about how we launched rockets, were seventh in the world, built nukes and were sixth in the world. Dr Kalam wanted everyone to think big
  • Gulf war woke up DRDO scientists towards air defence (patriot missiles) and cruise missiles. While building cruise missiles, they wanted something that would make India the first in the world.
  • Russia had a supersonic engine, and India had mastered guidance and control based on their experience building prithvi missiles, so Idea was to combine the two to make a supersonic cruise missile
  • India didnt have the money to fund such a joint venture, so Dr Pillar made over 100 visits to Russia to negotiate payment in kind (tea, textiles etc), Russians were reluctant initially and finally agreed.
  • He talks about how long the approval phase is, DRDO scientists need to write up a big document outlining what they want to do, then a science committee approves it, then finance ministry needs to approve it, then (he mentiones a few more commitees) then it goes to finance secretary, finance minister and after that goes to cabinet committee on security. Dr Kalam and Dr Pillai felt this process was too cumbersome (he made a funny statement about how they did not want to get approvals for a supersonic missile at subsonic speed)
  • They used a special rule, whereby the PM alone has the power to greenlight some projects, PVNR was very supportive, approved it. MMS (the then finance minister) also approved it the next day. He says the project got approved in 2 days instead of years.
  • The proposal was a JV between India and Russia with 51% - 49% split, but Dr Pillai and Dr Kalam wanted 50.5% and 49.5%, that way Brahmos will be a private company and not a PSU. PVNR was supportive
  • He says that this decision was the key, they didnt have to answer to CAG, or face numerous inquiries, audits and interference from IAS babus, keep the project secret and could solely focus on the work.
  • Talks about meticulous project planning, how they indentified 200 critical technologies, came with a strategy of each of them (collaborative development with industry, sourcing from industry, funding development etc)
  • They built and flew the missile in 3 years, start to finish
About the missile itself
  • Weight is 3 tonnes, range was 300kms. After India signed MTCR, range was increased in software to 600kms.
  • He talks about the differences between anti ship (radar seeker, with INS) and land attack (INS, and satellite position controlled)
  • During development phase, DRDO tried to track it using radar, but couldnt.
  • Russians were angry that India repurposed what was essentially a ship-to-ship missile into a anti-ship, land attack, air launched, land to ship etc missiles.
  • Dr Pillai wanted to build Brahmos into air launched version. Russia demanded $250M and complete workshare, Dr Pillai decided India should do it, to build knowhow and flexibility in design. Russians got angry, Medvedev (Russian president) complained to MMS about Dr Pillai, and threatened to hold up Sukhoi spares. MMS asked Dr Pillai to cooperate with the Russians, for which Dr Pillai refused. A committee was formed to inquire into this matter, but Dr Pillai convinced Shiv Shankar Menon and Air Chief Marshal Browne that doing it in India was important. Then MMS was supportive, and Brahmos aerospace built the air launched version.
  • Dr Pillai says "russians did a lot of things to thwart this"
  • Russians withheld Sukhoi codes and knowhow needed for integration, Brahmos aerospace reverse engineerd what they needed.
  • Brahmos NG that DRDO is building will be a true 300km missile (not a 600km missiled dressed up as a 300km), the weight will be massively reduced, so a Sukhoi can carry 3, and it can be carried by Tejas as well.
  • Talks about a Mach 5 hypersonic version and a Mach 7 hypersonic version in the future.
About Op sindoor
  • Dr Pillai points out that in 1971, each ship could carry 2 Styx missiles, now a ship can carry 16 better missiles with more kinetic energy, so image the destruction we can cause in their harbor and ships
  • He says he is impressed by the way the armed forces employed brahmos, doing target selection, simultaneous attacks, and attack planning for maximum effect. Praised how the armed forces employed the weapon effectively and points out that weapons are just one part of war fighting.
  • Talks about how Brahmos aerospace is improving "coordination, planning/integration" even more among Brahmos missile units.
About his time with ISRO and working with Dr Kalam, later part was shocking
  • Recounts the well known incident with SLV3 launch failure, where Dhawan went in front of the press and took full responsibility, and how after SLV3 launch succeded, Dhawan asked Kalam to talk to the press and claim credit.
  • Talks about PVNR and Vajpayee, how they were nationalists and how they were on the same page vis a vis India's defense
  • Talks about how Dr Kalam was ready to retire at 60, Cho Ramaswamy (of Tuglag magazine fame) wanted Dr Kalam to be the vice chancellor of Madras university, which Dr Kalam agreed to. Dr Pillai who headed personnel at DRDO at that time, without telling Dr Kalam, Obtained an extention for Dr Kalam. Dr Kalam was upsent, and did not want political favors. Dr Pillai says how this turned out to be important for Nuke test because the extension made Dr Kalam scientific advisor to PM.
  • Apparently Vajpayee wanted to make Dr Kalam into a cabinet minister, but Dr Kalam (and people like Dr Pillai) were afraid that politics would just ruin Dr Kalam. PVNR had told Vajpayee that "materials are ready, you should go ahead". and ABV wanted to test Nukes, Dr Kalam said instead of a cabinet minister he would like to finish the test as a scientific advisor. ABV ready agreed and said tests were more important than cabinet position
    The shocking part
  • He goes on to say how politics ruins important people. Under MMS tenure, the cabinet had decided to dismiss bihar assembly, Dr Kalam who was president at that time, Dr Pillai etc were traveling internationally. Dr Pillai had advised Dr Kalam to go back to India and decide after consulting lawyers. Instead MMS kept calling, told Dr Kalam he was waiting in PM's office at 4am and was under intense pressure from above (!! :roll: ) and finally convinced Dr Kalam to agree.
  • The decision was struck down by the supreme court as unconsitutional and Dr Kalam wrote a resignation letter. MMS realized that if Kalam resigned, since it was the cabinet who made the decision, MMS and the cabinet would need to resign. Persuaded Dr Kalam otherwise
  • Then the parliament passed the "office of profit" law. With exceptions to Sonia gandhi and Somnath chatterjee. Again MMS kept calling and talking about "pressure from above" (!! :roll: ) Dr Kalam was careful this time, returned the bill and asked for a bill which treated everyone uniformly. However the parliament passed it again forcing him to sign it. Sonia gandhi became angry with Dr Kalam
  • Dr Kalam said he was ready to serve a second term if there is unanimous agreement with everyone
  • When time came to elect Dr Kalam as president for the second term, MMS called up Dr Kalam and said Sonia gandhi did not support his candidacy and congress party cannot support Dr Kalam for a second term
  • BJP was strongly in favor of Dr Kalam and encourged him to contest
  • Chidambaram called up Dr Pillai and told him that this would be an ugly fight, with congress party fighting tooth and nail and told him to advice Dr Kalam to withdraw and not get dragged through the mud
  • Dr Kalam withdrew
    Dr Pillai laments how India does not respect and celebrate great people that even the world respects and celebrates. Also mentioned the names of 2 people (I forget) from atomic energy commission who went into politcs and had their reputation ruined. Says "politics is not for people like us"
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^^^ Conclusion: India's prominent opposition party in current setup is completely compromised against Indian interests. Contrast that with people like Dr Kalam and Dr Pillai. We need to create an India where the later gets stronger and the former gets eliminated soon.
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I just want to add that Dr. Sivathanu Pillai was involved in the Agni program prior to Brahmos. As the Programme Director of the IGMDP, he spearheaded the development of Agni, Prithvi, Trishul, Akash, and Nag missiles, contributing significantly to India's defense capabilities.

Dr. Pillai was also involved along with Dr. Kalam in an ambitious missile project called REX (Re-Entry Experiment), the prelude to Agni.

In Dr. Kalam's own words regarding REX in his 'Wings of Fire', "Meanwhile, I carried out an analysis of the application of SLV 3 and its variants with Sivathanu Pillai, and compared the existing launch vehicles of the world for missile applications. We established that the SLV 3 solid rocket systems would meet the national requirements of payload delivery vehicles for short and intermediate ranges (4000 km). We contended that the development of one additional solid booster of 1.8 m diameter with 36 tonnes of propellant along with SLV-3 subsystems would meet the ICBM requirement (above 5500 km for a 1000 kg payload). This proposal was, however, never considered. It nevertheless paved the way for the formulation of the Re-entry Experiment (REX) which, much later on, became Agni".

Now Agni-V is feared missile by the dragon next door.
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The interview has a lot more nuggets like that
  • Dr Kalam was convinced their work on SLV3 can be used for making missiles, but Dhawan felt that ISRO getting involved in defense would mean that free collaboration and other things that ISRO enjoyed would be endangered. Dr Pillai says that at that time, it was important for ISRO to master space technology so this was a reasonable view.
  • Dr Kalam later joined DRDO to work on missiles, and took Dr Pillai with him
  • Early on in Brahmos development, Dr Pillai realized "Indians respect our products only when foreigners respect our products", and so would sign up for defense exhibitions abroad
  • He gives an example: Their first defense exhibition was in Malaysia, he was immediately invited to a lunch with Mahatir Mohammad the PM of malayia, where all of his navy chiefs, ambassador etc were present where Mahatir bluntly stated "we want Brahmos". The Indian navy officer present in the meeting was shocked, went back to Indian navy and immediately drew up a document saying Indian navy should definitely order and integrate Brahmos.
  • Says he got similar interest from Middle east, south american countries, south east asian countries. This is when he recounts the story of the Pakistani general (about giving them Brahmos for free). Says Sindoor really did give Brahmos for free to Pakistan.
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Anujan wrote: 02 Jun 2025 00:19 ... Says Sindoor really did give Brahmos for free to Pakistan.
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Thank you Anujan ji, for the transcript. Great work.
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Anujan wrote: 02 Jun 2025 00:19 The interview has a lot more nuggets like that
  • Dr Kalam was convinced their work on SLV3 can be used for making missiles, but Dhawan felt that ISRO getting involved in defense would mean that free collaboration and other things that ISRO enjoyed would be endangered. Dr Pillai says that at that time, it was important for ISRO to master space technology so this was a reasonable view.
  • Dr Kalam later joined DRDO to work on missiles, and took Dr Pillai with him
  • Early on in Brahmos development, Dr Pillai realized "Indians respect our products only when foreigners respect our products", and so would sign up for defense exhibitions abroad
  • He gives an example: Their first defense exhibition was in Malaysia, he was immediately invited to a lunch with Mahatir Mohammad the PM of malayia, where all of his navy chiefs, ambassador etc were present where Mahatir bluntly stated "we want Brahmos". The Indian navy officer present in the meeting was shocked, went back to Indian navy and immediately drew up a document saying Indian navy should definitely order and integrate Brahmos.
  • Says he got similar interest from Middle east, south american countries, south east asian countries. This is when he recounts the story of the Pakistani general (about giving them Brahmos for free). Says Sindoor really did give Brahmos for free to Pakistan.
Important point there are 5 existing manufacturing centers and 1 more came up in Lucknow. Each have the capacity to produce 100 minimum missiles a year.
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SSridhar wrote: 02 Jun 2025 09:33 Thank you Anujan ji, for the transcript. Great work.
Yes, and might I add, great to see local language media step in with such quality programs. As we know, the penetration is much much higher than english media and will help.
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Anujan wrote: 02 Jun 2025 00:19 The interview has a lot more nuggets like that
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This interviewer is awesome. He basically asked if Dr(?) Pillai if his technique was to brown nose his boss (AJK) by asking questions without missing a beat and without angering his obviously well regarded guest.... :rotfl: :rotfl:
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Anujan wrote: 02 Jun 2025 00:19 The interview has a lot more nuggets like that
  • He gives an example: Their first defense exhibition was in Malaysia, he was immediately invited to a lunch with Mahatir Mohammad the PM of malayia, where all of his navy chiefs, ambassador etc were present where Mahatir bluntly stated "we want Brahmos". The Indian navy officer present in the meeting was shocked, went back to Indian navy and immediately drew up a document saying Indian navy should definitely order and integrate Brahmos.
years of rule by foreigners have brainwashed us into believing only external sources.
hopefully Op Sindoor changes this mentality completely and permanently.
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Anujan wrote: 02 Jun 2025 00:19 [*] Early on in Brahmos development, Dr Pillai realized "Indians respect our products only when foreigners respect our products", and so would sign up for defense exhibitions abroad
[*] He gives an example: Their first defense exhibition was in Malaysia, he was immediately invited to a lunch with Mahatir Mohammad the PM of malayia, where all of his navy chiefs, ambassador etc were present where Mahatir bluntly stated "we want Brahmos". The Indian navy officer present in the meeting was shocked, went back to Indian navy and immediately drew up a document saying Indian navy should definitely order and integrate Brahmos.
Many thanks, Anujanullah!

The quoted part shows the extent of our inferiority complex. Its not just the White man's validation that we seek. Even a Mayalsian, quasi-dictator would do!

That's how low the self-esteem of our leadership is. No wonder that the CDS was so eager to spill the beans to Bloomberg of all people
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pravula wrote: 02 Jun 2025 10:04 . . . great to see local language media step in with such quality programs. As we know, the penetration is much much higher than english media and will help.
Very true, we need to have vernacular penetration. At Chennai Centre for China Studies (C3S), we have produced several Tamil analyses on China.
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SSridhar wrote: 02 Jun 2025 20:59
pravula wrote: 02 Jun 2025 10:04 . . . great to see local language media step in with such quality programs. As we know, the penetration is much much higher than english media and will help.
Very true, we need to have vernacular penetration. At Chennai Centre for China Studies (C3S), we have produced several Tamil analyses on China.
We do, but for this interview the youtube auto-translate was quite decent. I've seen most Tamil and Telugu prominent youtube channels are providing good transcripts. And sometimes, we get more information than some of the national channels. Just need patience to watch them.
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Ashokk wrote: 24 May 2025 05:11 The Story of Akash: How India Built World's Best Air Defence System
"Akash" isn’t just a missile—it’s a symbol of India's technological triumph and strategic self-reliance. In this exclusive talk, Dr. P. Rama Rao, one of the key minds behind India’s defence innovation, takes us through the incredible journey of how the country built one of the world’s best air defence systems. From concept to combat readiness, discover the challenges, breakthroughs, and national pride that shaped the Akash missile system into a global game-changer.
Akash missile role in #OperationSindoor is being celebrated by Bharatiya jan.

I made small contribution to it, in a moonlighting project ( I earned Rs 8000 in 1987) in the development of the Rajendra PESA radar's ferrite phase shifter. Those days it was being developed by Prof. Kaul of CARE @ IIT Delhi ( Center for Applied Research in Electronics), I developed the first controller for exercising and characterizing the phase shifter.

14 years later I came to know that one of my close mitra in khan-bahadu-land "Giri" that he had later developed in early 1990s the ASIC chip for the phase shifter controller that went into production to make Rajendra PESA radar.

Maa Bharati gives special opportunities in its own merciful ways.

https://x.com/HaridasKukkur/status/1930 ... lyIxA&s=19
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Indian Army to get Rs 30,000 crore QRSAM air defence missile system boost

https://www.aninews.in/news/national/ge ... 0609191201
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Haridas wrote: 07 Jun 2025 15:57 Akash missile role in #OperationSindoor is being celebrated by Bharatiya jan.

I made small contribution to it, in a moonlighting project ( I earned Rs 8000 in 1987) in the development of the Rajendra PESA radar's ferrite phase shifter. Those days it was being developed by Prof. Kaul of CARE @ IIT Delhi ( Center for Applied Research in Electronics), I developed the first controller for exercising and characterizing the phase shifter.

14 years later I came to know that one of my close mitra in khan-bahadu-land "Giri" that he had later developed in early 1990s the ASIC chip for the phase shifter controller that went into production to make Rajendra PESA radar.

Maa Bharati gives special opportunities in its own merciful ways.

https://x.com/HaridasKukkur/status/1930 ... lyIxA&s=19
Thank you for your contributions Sirjee. Must be really satisfying to watch...
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1,500 KM At Mach 8 Speed To Dodge Radars: India Set To Test Advanced Hypersonic Missile Developed Under 'Project Vishnu'
In a major step to bolster the nation's defensive and offensive capabilities, India is set to test an advanced hypersonic missile - the Extended Trajectory-Long Duration Hypersonic Cruise Missile (ET-LDHCM).

It would be the most sophisticated hypersonic missile developed entirely in India using domestic technology by the Defence Research and Development Organisation (DRDO) in partnership with private Indian defence firms.

Mach 8 speed, highest so far
The missile has been developed under Project Vishnu. The missile will enhance India's capability to hit deep inside Pakistan and China with a maximum speed of Mach 8, which is about 11,000 km/hour. Mach 8 refers to a speed eight times that of sound. A missile above Mach 5 is classified as hypersonic. At Mach 8, the ET-LDHCM will be able to dodge any radar and air defence systems. Once tested successfully and inducted into the armed forces' armoury, it will significantly bring a shift in the power balance in Asia and the subcontinent.

With a range of about 1,500 km, the ET-LDHCM can carry both conventional and nuclear warheads of up to 2,000 kg. As part of its indigenous technology, the missile is equipped with a scramjet engine, which draws air from the atmosphere for the combustion of fuel, thereby contributing to sustaining the hypersonic quality for a longer time.

The scramjet engine's 1,000-second ground test has already been completed by the DRDO.

Second hypersonic missile test within year
The missile will traverse at low altitude, another key feature that will help in deceiving radars, and will have the ability of in-flight manoeuvres. Its heat-resistant metal body raises its threshold to 2,000 degrees Celsius.

This remarkable feat will come within a year of India's first successful test of a long-range hypersonic missile in November 2024, putting it in a group of nations possessing the advanced technology. The missile has a range of over 1,500 km and a top speed exceeding Mach 5.
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The 2 ton payload of the scramjet missile is an indicator that it will be specialised in deep penetration bunker busting roles. For effective penetration a thick and heavy metal body is required. We had recently tested all solid motor hypersonic anti ship missile with a range of 3500 km. But it's warhead weight likely be much less than 1 ton. Hope Haridas will comment more on it. A scramjet engine will help to reduce the overall weight of the missile.

South Korea recently revealed such a bunker buster missile, Hyunmoo-5. (Info credit to dharmic aeroplate in X).

As per Wiki,
According to data released through the South Korean National Defense Committee, the missile weighs 36 tons and has a warhead payload of 8 tons, which is the same weight as the LGM-30 Minuteman III, a 36-ton Intercontinental ballistic missile (ICBM) developed in the United States, and was developed as a bunker-buster missile for striking underground shafts in the North Korean military.[33]
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Mach 8, 1,500-km range: India’s ET-LDHCM hypersonic missile marks big defence leap under Project Vishnu
https://www.moneycontrol.com/news/india ... 0.html/amp
11 June 2025

In a significant leap for India’s strategic defence capabilities, the country is reportedly preparing to test its most advanced indigenously developed hypersonic missile -- the Extended Trajectory-Long Duration Hypersonic Cruise Missile (ET-LDHCM). Developed entirely using domestic technology under the Defence Research and Development Organisation’s (DRDO) classified initiative Project Vishnu, the missile is being touted as a potential game-changer in the Asian military balance, as per a report by the Daily Jagran.

Deep Precision Strikes

The ET-LDHCM, which boasts a top speed of Mach 8 (approximately 11,000 km/h), can deliver swift and devastating strikes deep into enemy territory, including targets in China and Pakistan. With this capability, India joins an elite group of countries, including the United States, China, and Russia, that have achieved operational success in hypersonic weapons technology. Designed for both conventional and nuclear missions, the missile can carry warheads weighing between 1,000 and 2,000 kg over a range of approximately 1,500 km. According to defence sources, the missile’s velocity and evasive mid-flight manoeuvrability make it nearly impossible to intercept with current radar and air defence systems.

Hypersonic Propulsion Breakthrough

At the core of the ET-LDHCM is an advanced scramjet engine, which uses atmospheric oxygen for fuel combustion, allowing sustained hypersonic speeds for extended durations. It should be noted that DRDO has already conducted a successful 1,000-second ground test of the scramjet engine, marking a major milestone in the missile’s development. Contrary to traditional ballistic missiles, the ET-LDHCM flies at low altitudes, is capable of mid-course corrections, and is built using heat-resistant and oxidation-resistant materials that can withstand extreme environments, including temperatures of up to 2,000°C.

Versatile Launch Platforms

What sets the ET-LDHCM apart is its flexibility. It can be launched from land-based launchers, aircraft, or naval platforms, vastly expanding India’s tactical and strategic strike options. Its pinpoint accuracy and ability to evade interception make it suitable for targeting enemy command centres, radar installations, naval assets, and fortified bunkers.

Strategic and Economic Impact

The missile’s development marks India’s second successful hypersonic program in less than a year, following its long-range hypersonic missile test in November 2024. Once inducted, the ET-LDHCM is expected to shift the regional power balance and significantly enhance India’s deterrence capabilities. Beyond its military use, experts suggest that advancements in hypersonic technology can have broader applications in satellite launches, aerospace development, and disaster response. The project has also opened avenues for private sector collaboration, with several Indian MSMEs and defence firms contributing to the effort, boosting local innovation and job creation.

A Tactical Edge

The successful deployment of the ET-LDHCM is anticipated to provide India with a vital edge. The missile’s speed, range, manoeuvrability, and survivability under extreme conditions make it a formidable asset in the country’s strategic arsenal. Once testing is complete and the missile is operational, India is expected to deploy the ET-LDHCM across all three services, fortifying its preparedness for future conflicts in an increasingly volatile geopolitical landscape.
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Rakesh wrote: 11 Jun 2025 17:46 Mach 8, 1,500-km range: India’s ET-LDHCM hypersonic missile marks big defence leap under Project Vishnu
https://www.moneycontrol.com/news/india ... 0.html/amp
11 June 2025
Ex-ISRO chief warns: 'Hypersonic missiles extremely difficult to intercept, India needs hundreds of satellites'
https://www.businesstoday.in/india/stor ... 2025-06-10
10 June 2025
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ashishvikas wrote: 09 Jun 2025 20:43 Indian Army to get Rs 30,000 crore QRSAM air defence missile system boost

https://www.aninews.in/news/national/ge ... 0609191201
That works out to around $3.6 billion for 3 regiments. Considering we paid $5.3 billion for 5 squadrons of S400s, something doesn't seem to add up.
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QRSAM is going to have an AESA FCR radar truck with every launching truck with 6 launchers, unlike Akash, S-400 this is a system which provides SAM cover to advancing IA forces, i.e it has to be ready to fire at short notice while the IA forces are advancing. Rather than 1 radar for 4-5 launchers. plus ability to fire on the move within few seconds.
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The QR-SAM's purpose is well known. However with all that, I still can't figure out the price tag. For another comparison, the order for 83 Tejas Mk1As was for 48,000 crores.
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vonkabra wrote: 12 Jun 2025 14:53 The QR-SAM's purpose is well known. However with all that, I still can't figure out the price tag. For another comparison, the order for 83 Tejas Mk1As was for 48,000 crores.
I guess we are also including cost of setting up the new line for QRSAM, and other associated one time costs, which might not be the case for S400. Apart from the higher num of FCRs, as mentioned by Aditya_V above
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