Understanding the US - Again

[hanumadu]

I think the deep state got to Trump. They are making sure no body in the US or any country in the world supports anybody other than their candidate. No body will believe any candidate who promises to change the status quo in America. As a quid pro quo, Trump gets to enrich himself while in office.

[SaiK]

Namaste @Vayutuvan ji. Are you too going to be part of Trump sarkar? I tried to grok and grep "matrimrc_brf" x.com > ∄ & ∅.

Just to keep on topic, I am trying to understand US again.

Hi @Saik gaaru, after a long time. Welcome back.

yahoo! longtime! Nice of you to remember... getting harder push buttons here.

[Hriday]

From Asha J Motwani, a USA based venture capitalist,
https://x.com/ashajadeja325/status/1926 ... T5o-A&s=19

I came to the US as a foreign student. In the first year, most of us were lonely and struggled to find a community . It’s very easy for well organized & well funded campus groups to rope you in and give you an instant “community”. There is a constant flow of free food, entertainment & excitement. What anti-Israel campus groups are doing is a systematic luring of lonely foreign students into their “movement”. Once caught, the foreign students often find purpose thinking they’re helping “oppressed” people.. It is no accident that American campuses broke out into pro Hamas activity literally one day after October 7…. My advice to universities is to put 100% stop to Qatari money as a first step.

[Kakkaji]

Welcome back SaiK! Long time no see

[Vayutuvan]

yahoo! longtime! Nice of you to remember... getting harder push buttons here.

Ofc. I am on X.

[hanumadu]

America doesn't wan't to make tshirts and socks. America wan'ts to make tanks, do the AI thing, chips and tanks and chips and computers.
So what the heck is the tarriff all about?
Me thinks they wan't to keep the high tech stuff to themselves and force others to buy the cutting edge stuff from them in exchange for the tshirts and socks. I guess others are only too eager to make America their masters for eternity. The white nations are in it together and they will be the first to strike a deal.

[Amber G.]

A Memorial Day in US with an unhinged rant:

[SRajesh]

USA is modelled on the Roman Republic (more on pre Emperor days)
Look at the similarities:
 1.⁠ ⁠Senate and House of Representatives
 2.⁠ ⁠⁠overwhelming lawmakers are lawyers
 3.⁠ ⁠⁠Patrician families have a big control (In USA WASP a big say)
 4.⁠ ⁠⁠industrialists have a big say in government (Rome the business men work in the shadows of Patrician families)
 5.⁠ ⁠⁠Two terms for a Counsul (until Gaius Marius broke the rule and the rest is as you know the dawn of Emperor days) likewise two terms for a President ( who knows Trumpwa might just break that rule )
 6.⁠ ⁠⁠Military service experience a huge booster for getting elected to high office
 7.⁠ ⁠⁠Rome built on war and conquest and likewise USA
 8.⁠ ⁠⁠All roads led to Rome and now they lead to White House
 9.⁠ ⁠⁠Corruption in corridors of power a Must
10.⁠ ⁠⁠Social Climbing is a must to get elected
11.⁠ ⁠⁠Making allies and signing treaties and when time comes to renege on the deal in the interest of nation a must for all holding high office
12.⁠ ⁠⁠Take raw materials grains whatever from the colonies and territories a done deal
13.⁠ ⁠⁠selling stuff dreams etc to the territories a National duty
14.⁠ ⁠⁠Doling out Citizenship to create more followers ( in those days everyone wanted to be a Roman Citizen today US citizen)
I can go on for more
Rome lasted for hundreds of years
We have not suffered USA for 100 years yet and people are complaining
Sabar Kharo Teharo zera
Abhi full picture Bhaki Hain!!

[Amber G.]

015:

They’re not sending their best

2025:

Let’s get rid of the best and keep them out

[Ardeshir]

This could be a great opportunity to entice Indian-origin scientists. The likes of Bharat Forge, L&T, Tatas etc could really throw money and perks to accomplish this.

[KL Dubey]

A Memorial Day in US....

Such posts are not uncommon in BRF either

[KL Dubey]

Meanwhile the economics/trade team (Lattu-Basant) working on "90 deals in 90 days" (i.e. by July 8 )...so far there is the US-UK agreement.

https://www.thedailybeast.com/scott-bes ... bout-2026/

It seems the tariff collections will be very modest as compared to the trillion-dollar claims made earlier.

[KL Dubey]

This could be a great opportunity to entice Indian-origin scientists. The likes of Bharat Forge, L&T, Tatas etc could really throw money and perks to accomplish this.

As I have mentioned in previous posts, Bharat should be more pro-active in harnessing its citizenry living overseas. Incentives are definitely needed to bring back real talent, i.e. researchers and entrepreneurs. But this should also come with a government "right to recall" India's citizens if they have been temporarily living in other countries for too long without a permanent residency granted (say 10 years). There are literally tens of thousands of western-educated PhDs waiting "in limbo" to get permanent residency in US and other countries, with waits of 10-20 years. They should be automatically "recalled" after a period of say, 10 years from their date of emigration from India.

This need not be retroactive, i.e. people already in the residency process in other countries would not be affected.

This will achieve several things:

- It will immediately clarify whether such folks are actually wanted by those countries, i.e. either reform the process for expedited approvals or otherwise tacitly admit there is no urgency or real desire to have those scientists be permanent residents (and have a path to citizenship).

- My guess it will be the latter, in which case India will receive a bonanza of talent due to the "recall" scheme.

- Equally importantly, it will encourage a steady stream of people (students, white collar and blue collar professionals) leaving India to obtain more education/skills/expertise for several years and then come back to fuel India's continuing rise in any capacity (whether they went to get a PhD or worked in industry on a visa like H1). Sarkar could also provide financial assistance to emigrants under the recall scheme.

[vera_k]

Interesting concept, but how would this be implemented?

From what I've heard, Iran requires their emigres to repay some type of contract.

[chetak]

[KL Dubey]

Interesting concept, but how would this be implemented?

From what I've heard, Iran requires their emigres to repay some type of contract.

Well, the executive part should be quite easy....when someone emigrates they would sign a declaration acknowledging compliance with sarkar's "right to recall". They would get a notice a year in advance of the term limit to declare their intention to return or notify that residency was granted. Exemptions can be granted in specific cases (medical/disability etc).

People not complying would have their passport canceled and summons to appear (among other actions) which would make them ineligible for foreign residency applications anyway.

Most of this process will be self-regulating, i.e. due to the foreign employers. Once they know the "right to recall" rule, they will not file residency petitions if processing times are very long. So, like I said, either the employers will lobby their goremints to reform the process, or just hire on H1/L1/O1 for a few years, or get by without Indian employees. Reforming the process is unlikely. Once demand falls because of "right to recall", a new equilibrium will be reached wherein the visa categories like EB-2, EB-3 etc will actually become "current" and the US will still get a smaller reasonable number of employer-based residency cases.

Amongst incentives for emigrating students/professionals, sarkar could have a one-time payment scholarship scheme (or airfare waiver) funded by small surcharges on various things such as entry processing of every foreign visitor, foreign remittances, corporate taxes etc. There should be higher financial incentives for setting up research operations, startup companies etc for all eligible people selected/hired by competitive processes in Indian universities/national laboratories etc.

I do not know if a legislative action/constitutional amendment is necessary.

I haven't looked into practices by other countries. I do know countries like South Korea and Israel require people to return for military service.

Moderators - this is not in any way related to the "right to recall" posts/advocacy by former BRF member Shri Rahul Mehta (founder of Right to Recall Party). He was talking about having a nationwide law to allow "recall" of elected MPs/MLAs/corporators by voters if they were not performing satisfactorily.

[Tanaji]

K L Dubey is Rahul Mehta in disguise, the mask has slipped, the note to moderators not withstanding….

[KL Dubey]

K L Dubey is Rahul Mehta in disguise, the mask has slipped, the note to moderators not withstanding….

Thanks for the humor. Of course I am not Mehta, but gaw'bless you, sah...gaw'bless.

On a serious note, it is a real concern that a LOT of India's brainpower is "held up" in foreign countries for no real reason. The western countries enjoy huge residency demand from Indian applicants while keeping supply very tight. On top of that, all the folks "over-subscribing" the system continue to work full time for those countries even while in temporary status. So its a major disadvantage for Bharat. To change this game and level the playing field, Bharat has to start "right to recall". This way we are not imposing any outbound "quotas" on people. Incentives alone will not work.

[Vayutuvan]

A Memorial Day in US with an unhinged rant:
[img...]https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Gr4q7pKXwAA ... ame=medium[/img]

FTFY.

[Vayutuvan]

Such posts are not uncommon in BRF either

This is an example of such a post.

[Vayutuvan]

Interesting concept, but how would this be implemented?

Unless one gives exit visas a la China, this cannot be done. It is not interesting. At all. It is harebrained, if I dare to say so.

[Vayutuvan]

Amongst incentives for emigrating students/professionals, sarkar could have a one-time payment scholarship scheme (or airfare waiver) funded by small surcharges on various things such as entry processing of every foreign visitor, foreign remittances, corporate taxes etc. There should be higher financial incentives for setting up research operations, startup companies etc for all eligible people selected/hired by competitive processes in Indian universities/national laboratories etc.
I do not know if a legislative action/constitutional amendment is necessary.
I haven't looked into practices by other countries. I do know countries like South Korea and Israel require people to return for military service.

1. Airfare is such a small part of the what a person gets as an RA/TA during PhD itself. This is no incentive at all. US universities simply stop taking Indian students for PhD and shift to other countries. There are many bright if not brighter students who apply from Israel, Brazil, Chile, Columbia, East European countries and even West European countries and Canada, SoKo, Vietnam, Philippines, Indonesia, Malaysia, Singapore, China ofc, Taiwan to name a few.

2. Israel and most European countries allow dual citizenship. Jewish people have a "right to return". What is this "right to recall" business?

3. As it is Indian Govt. does give tax sops to OCIs setting up software companies in India. They get preferential treatment as well. This recalling business stinks of communism or ultra socialism. It is certainly totalitarian to say the least.

I am waiting for barbs like I am compromised, I am a traitor to mother India, and probably get quoted Shree Rama jananee janmabhoomishcha swargaadapi gariyasi. Pucca elitist mentality of those Indians who are well off, have big inheritances, and/or political pull. Both Rahul Gandhi and Shashi Tharoor are good examples of that, so are IAS/IPS Babulog progeny.

[Manish_P]

Chetak sir, just make sure to use words like 'It's a shame', 'It's unfortunate' and you should be fine

[S_Madhukar]

Completely agree with @Vayutuvanji.

RoW will happily sell a kidney to study and migrate to US. In fact looking at PIOs others fancy their chances even more - like the Africa Union Pres said when Chandrayaan landed on moon - It is like one of us has landed there! They can happily assimilate into Xian/Yankee culture like East Asians and become neo-Yanks of a different kind, motivated by material benefits

With internet / chatGPT everyone has access to knowledge. Just $ and resources are missing. The next bunch of developing countries will educate and grow very quickly the moment they have stability and growth and that WILL happen because unlike 20th century there is no Cold War fought in a hot fashion in their countries! They don't even have Urduwood and IPL and NaPakis and Cheeni ecosystem to distract or contain them! This makes me sad to see the amount of time our netas wasted !

Best is to incentivise with good pkg and bring talent home. Recently in Germany one local asked JS to ease up on visas for internal company xfers(hope not for liberal journos!) There are many senior mgmt types who will want to embellish their CVs. If we build Dubai style nice condo townships like Airport City of Delhi, they will be happy to move. ANd this talent may not only be from the West.

Within the country too encourage talent to move by paying them well and incentives just like IT industry did. SEZs should help so will better infra, But more importantly make these opportunities visible in all Unis not just IIT/IIM/metro types.

[Tanaji]

Indian brain drain is not about the package these days. Its more about quality of live - the environment, the schools for kids etc.
At least thats what I hear from talking to newly migrated. I have seen quite well off people making > 80L pm migrating for these reasons.

On another humorous note: Virat Kohli is migrating as well…

[Manish_P]

Indian brain drain is not about the package these days. Its more about quality of live - the environment, the schools for kids etc.
At least thats what I hear from talking to newly migrated. I have seen quite well off people making > 80L pm migrating for these reasons.

On another humorous note: Virat Kohli is migrating as well…

And against 'reservations'

[KL Dubey]

Indian brain drain is not about the package these days. Its more about quality of live - the environment, the schools for kids etc.
At least thats what I hear from talking to newly migrated. I have seen quite well off people making > 80L pm migrating for these reasons.

Yes. Bharat really needs to clean up the environment and infrastructure for a much higher level of "livability". However, the fact of brain drain is still there and needs to be addressed soon.

[Amber G.]

Meanwhile ..This could go. here.. to understand US and some of its nuclear policies...

Trump's Iran deal pitch:

We inspect, take stuff, blow up whatever we want—but nobody dies.

Iran:

“Sure, and unicorns will enforce it.”

Trump wants Iran deal that lets US ‘blow up’ nuclear sites, ‘whatever we want’

[Amber G.]

Understanding US: Politics, Popcorn, and Plot Twists ityadi..

[bala]

While many people waste their time on Trump based media antics the major things that he is trying to do is being missed as usual. This is where folks need to dig a little deeper and understand what is going on at a macro level. The main thrust for Trump is to fight china on many fronts - economic, political, influence peddling in media and the US tech field, etc. This is not an easy battle considering the stakes involved. Taking on China is not easy, these buggers have infiltrated the entire world. A person in the US who gets a grant for research is tracked by China. Academia is so beholden to taking the china line it is sickening to see the degradation across Universities of the US. Remember WHO chief defending China against Covid. The idiot US president B. Clinton allowed China to buy its way into the US so much so that a US company audits their rocket program to correct their flaws. DJT has forbidden CAD-CAM software like Cadence, Synopsys, etc to supply their software to China, crimps are being placed on Comac (C919) aircraft company. Comac is currently screwed, since the US has put a halt to critical parts, semiconductors, even the GE engine that powers it. Marco Rubio has effectively cancelled all china foreign student visas and many chinese visa holders are being investigated for any link with the PLA. There is heavy infiltration by the Chinese to spy on things in the US. The US trade talks with China are not going anywhere. DJT also forebade the entry of BYD electric cars into US. BYD has an inventory pile of around 15B unsold cars in China. Meanwhile the containers are piling up in China and ships are parked at their docks. There is severe unemployment in China due to the downturn in demand of their export goods. Recently there is at least 1 T drop in bank accounts of China since the people are spending their last savings surviving.

Not quite US but has a bearing on US, the Euros are now fighting a battle against China to prevent China to take over Europe. Already there is a glut of China EVs in Europe. Serious talks are ongoing with the US and Euro on their trade.

[S_Madhukar]

I think one part of Trumps corrupt behaviour is he is distinctly aware that Dems might come after him and his families after this term. And potentially most of his cabinet. Unlike Obummer he won’t be making $$ in the speech circuit … not now anyway. Hence he is loading up so that he can at least spend his way to get some respite. Not justified but then most local netas and their betas also need such budgets for power projection

[A_Gupta]

One can always make sense of Trump if one focuses purely on the actions that lead to some objective you imagine for him (containing China) and totally disregard the actions that detract from that objective (e.g., going after US close allies - Canada, Denmark/Greenland, Europe, Japan) and friendly countries that are useful in containing China.

Even the emergency power he used to raised tariffs likely could not have been challenged successfully in court if he had raised tariffs only on one or two countries. The court (read the judgment) does not disagree that he has that power on an emergency basis. It just says that there is no emergency that involves all countries of the world that POTUS can exercise these powers without approval from Congress.

[bala]

DJT agenda is more diverse than just taking on China. He is dismantling the leftist woke agenda and taking on the deep state in many ways. Also he is trying to correct the trade barriers for US goods erected by other nations while selling stuff in the US. This is why many of the ally nations are up in arms. Negotiations with tariffs is the only way out for them, including India. A more pressing concern is fentanyl drug produced in nations like China and being pushed via Mexico, Canada and Euro lands into the US. Recently the drug lords have been gunning down Mexican troops since they are obstructing fentanyl drug flow into the US. DJT wants to stop all the wars going on in the world and wants to tear down any terrorists (that threaten the US, e.g. houthis) who oppose the US. The US also does not want nukes for Iran, that is the bottomline, which is good for India too. The only blackmark is support for Pak terrorism against India. This can be handled by India through back channels appropriately.

The court cases are just partisanship within the US. There is a tussle between executive, legislative and judiciary powers within the US, let them sort it out. Similar things are happening in India with the Judiciary. I think the solution for India is complete automation of routine judicial decision making using AI/GenAI systems similar to what India did with financial sector UPI/Aadhar and the Awesome AkashTeer system.

[A_Gupta]

Yes, it is to remove trade barriers that Trump imposed tariffs on the free port of Singapore, and on sundry countries that have zero tariff and non-tariff barriers to the US.

As I said, you can construct sense from Trump’s actions if you focus on just a few of them that tell the story you want to tell. But we are not so dumb here.

[Vayutuvan]

DJT agenda is more diverse than just taking on China. He is dismantling trying to dismantle the leftist woke agenda and taking on the deep state in many ways.

FTFY. It is not that easy to root out DS, right or left, i.e. necons or neoliberals. If he senses that he is going to fail, he will start filling his/children's pockets. That is exactly what happened to Ombaba. He had a lot of opposition from the white congress critters senators/governors for his agendas. What he wanted to do was a mixed bag. Some really extreme stuff like giving pallets of cash to Iran, kowtowing to China at the cost of Japan, dumping on BJP govt of India, not reigning in rogue SDOTUS, not reading the riot act to HiC, and a few aspects of Obamacare. He also wanted to put more money into community colleges, help African countries. When they were only moderate successes, he probably might have come to the conclusion that the only skills he has - community organization and oratory - are not going to help him, he started "eating" (not overtly ofc but more like staying in the respectability by calling favors back).

Trump will do the same. Every president does that. Look at B. Clinton who came into office (Gov. of Arkansas) with nothing but left WHOTUS very rich. Similar case with Biden. Same with Dubya.

[Vayutuvan]

But we are not so dumb here.

Wow. When did Democrats and their supporters become advocates for free trade? Next we will have AOC and The Bern start talking about lowering taxes for Silly-con valley billionaires and Boston Brahmins.

[bala]

Yes, it is to remove trade barriers that Trump imposed tariffs on the free port of Singapore, and on sundry countries that have zero tariff and non-tariff barriers to the US.

Tis funny you bring up Singapore. Do you know who now owns all businesses in Singapore. Hint: they are the wealthy who fled from a neighbor with billions of cash.

[Vayutuvan]

Yes, it is to remove trade barriers that Trump imposed tariffs on the free port of Singapore, and on sundry countries that have zero tariff and non-tariff barriers to the US.

Tis funny you bring up Singapore. Do you know who now owns all businesses in Singapore. Hint: they are the wealthy who fled from a neighbor with billions of cash.

@bala gaaru, nice hint.

Here is an article I found with a simple search on DDG.

https://www.china-briefing.com/news/chi ... rtunities/

• China has been Singapore’s largest trading partner for 11 consecutive years since 2013. Additionally, China is Singapore’s largest export market and largest source of imports. Singapore is China’s fifth-largest trading partner among ASEAN countries. In 2023, bilateral trade between China and Singapore amounted to US$108.39 billion.
• Singapore has been the largest source of new investments in China for 11 consecutive years since 2013. In April 2022, Singapore surpassed Japan to become the largest cumulative source of foreign investment in China. By the end of 2023, Singapore’s cumulative actual investment in China reached US$141.23 billion.
• As a global financial center and technology hub, Singapore offers opportunities for collaboration, especially in electronic and medical equipment, facilitating cooperation between Chinese firms and partners in both Singapore and mainland China.

China and Singapore have established diplomatic ties since 1990, marking the beginning of a pivotal economic partnership. Since then, Singapore has grown into a crucial investment partner for China. This relationship was further elevated in 2015 with the establishment of a comprehensive partnership, and in 2023, the two nations upgraded their ties to an “All-Round High-Quality Future-Oriented Partnership,” reflecting their shared vision for deeper, forward-looking collaboration.

Singapore has been China’s largest source of new foreign investment for 11 consecutive years since 2013. Likewise, China has remained Singapore’s largest trading partner, largest export market, and largest source of imports for 11 years in a row. Companies from both countries have jointly explored opportunities in the Belt and Road Initiative (BRI) markets, achieving positive outcomes in areas such as infrastructure, financial technology, legal services, and third-party market cooperation.

Currently, there are over 8,500 Chinese enterprises registered in Singapore, covering a wide range of industries, including trade, finance, shipping, infrastructure, logistics, and real estate. Singapore serves as a key hub on the Maritime Silk Road and plays an important role in the high-quality development of the BRI.

In January 2024, both countries revealed a visa exemption policy for their citizens, allowing stays of up to 30 days. This policy, effective from February 9, 2024, enables holders of regular passports to travel freely for tourism, family visits, or business.

In this article, we explore the strengthening economic ties between China and Singapore, highlighting potential opportunities in bilateral trade and investment.
...

[Vayutuvan]

They also have a India briefing as well which can serve as a cross-check on how reliable their articles are.

https://www.asiabriefing.com/india

[A Deshmukh]

DJT started (or atleast made it look like started) with bangs:
1) Illegal immigrants: showed action in the first few days with deporting plane loads of illegals. Not sure where this stands now. its stale news. with millions of illegals, a few planeloads are only drops in a bucket.

2) JFK files: nothing to show off.

3) Epstein files: Nothing

4) Greenland: nothing

5) Canada as 51st state: nothing.

6) tariff wars: sowed chaos. but back to trading with China. square 1.

7) pissed off all allies and potential allies including India in a few months. quite a achievement in a short duration.

8 ) debt reduction: no progress.
Fed Reserve not in control.

9) DOGE - saved $500B. could have been a good achievement, but considering they needed to save $2-3T, its an under achivement in the circumstances.

10) DS/Intelligence: more of the same. In spite of Tulsi being head of Intelligence - Bangla ISKON head remains in jail, and we Amrican uniforms in Kangladesh and Trump dealing with Pakis after Pahalgam terrorist attack. Tulsi proving to be ineffective.

11) RFKJr. : only he seems to be trying to make long term change in direction - banning colors, digging deeper into causes of autism, etc.

Overall scoring about 1 / 10.
Trump seems to have lost control to DS. and US heading towards multiple crises in the coming years.

Added:
12) attempt to remove Leftist influence from Academic penetration - jury is still out.

13) removal of LGBTQ from defence forces, sports and other areas: seems successful...can add 1 point on this score.