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nandakumar wrote: 27 May 2025 08:43
Deans wrote: 27 May 2025 08:13

Yes, what the journos don't understand, is there is a difference between the world they would ideally like to see and the reality we
have to live with.
I think the article is meant to nudge/prod the Government into taking a principled stand against voting along with the 'Big' nations when resolution for sanctioning additional financial package of relief to Pakistan. Currently the Government goes along with consensus of the West when IMF Board resolution comes up for voting. Granted, we don't have the voting strength to veto a proposal. However at some stage we must.
You cannot vote against as per IMF rules, you can only abstain, which we did.
There are conditions attached to the loan which Pak might find unpalatable.
The larger point is weather we want to be part of IMF, since we no longer need money from them.
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‘Astonished by the question’: Jaishankar rejects nuclear war fears over India-Pak clash
Asked whether the world had the US to thank for the May 10 ceasefire, Jaishankar credited India’s armed forces instead. “The cessation of firing was agreed between the military commanders of both sides through direct contact,” he said. “The morning before, we effectively hit and incapacitated Pakistan’s main airbases and air defence system. So, who should I thank for the cessation of hostilities? I thank the Indian military because it was the Indian military action that made Pakistan say: We are ready to stop.”
When the interviewer asked, “How far away was the world from a nuclear conflict between India and Pakistan?” Jaishankar expressed disbelief. “Very, very far away. I’m frankly astonished by your question. We have terrorist targets. Those were very measured, carefully considered and non-escalating steps. After that, the Pakistani military opened fire on us. We were able to show them that we could disable their air defence systems. Then the firing stopped at their request.”
“At no point was a nuclear level reached,” he added. “There is a narrative as if everything that happens in our part of the world leads directly to a nuclear problem. That disturbs me a lot because it encourages terrible activities like terrorism. If anything, much more is happening with the nuclear issue in your part of the world.”
On questions regarding India’s ties with Russia and its stance on the Ukraine war, Jaishankar pushed back strongly against Western expectations. “Relationships do not develop because one partner simply adopts the concerns of the other as their own. Relationships are built on finding common ground. For you in Europe, other concerns and worries are important than for me in Asia. When you think of conflict, you think of Ukraine. When I think of conflict, I think of Pakistan, terrorism, China and our borders. Our perspective cannot be the same.
When the interviewer pressed him further on Russia’s violation of international law, Jaishankar responded: “As soon as you bring a rule or norm into play, it is again linked to the situation that is your priority. You talk about rules and think of Ukraine. I talk about rules and I think of my own borders, of Pakistan, which has violated my borders, and China, which has done the same. So when you talk about borders and territorial integrity, I ask you: What about my borders?”

As the interviewer continued the questions on Russia, the minister hit back by highlighting European ties with Pakistan. “My neighbour Pakistan has caused every conceivable problem under the sun — from nuclear weaponisation, to the transfer of nuclear technology to irresponsible partners, to terrorism. But doesn’t Germany also do business with Pakistan?”
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That is the naïveté of the western media. Or the brainwashing. Jaishankar merely disabuses them of any preconceptions of ethnocentrism.

One would really have expected the German to be more sophisticated than this.
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The media was always like that. Only now the power to set the agenda that used to be there is evaporating. At least, with respect to India. I think maybe African countries still don't have much change in this regard.
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Congress is once again caught echoing Pakistan’s propaganda, deliberately twisting facts to mislead the public.

EAM @DrSJaishankar Ji told the Parliamentary Committee that Pakistan was notified only 30 minutes after the first phase of #OperationSindoor ended, an operation that successfully targeted nine terror camps in Pakistan and PoK.

While Congress spreads false narratives and questions India’s resolve, the Modi govt continues to act with courage and zero tolerance for terrorism.

But the real question is, Why do #Congress and #Pakistan speak in the same tone? Why is it that every propaganda spread by Pakistan finds an echo in Congress? What’s the link between the two?
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chetak wrote: 27 May 2025 21:18 Congress is once again caught echoing Pakistan’s propaganda, deliberately twisting facts to mislead the public.
Nothing surprising Chetak ji. Sun rises in the East, a dog's tail is always crooked, and congress will always be anti-India/Hindu...
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There is a new term - paki promotion - a person gets promoted even after gross failure!
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Turkiye, Azerbaijan, Pakistan leaders trilateral meet in Azerbaijan!

Pakistan PM Shehbaz Sharif, Azerbaijan President Ilham Aliyev meet in Lachin. Field Marshal Munir is also present.

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Folks do we have an accurate timeline of events from 6th May to 11th May?

Thanks in advance.
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ramana wrote: 28 May 2025 00:08 Folks do we have an accurate timeline of events from 6th May to 11th May?

Thanks in advance.
Ramanai ji, without official GOI disclosure, I'm afraid no one has the up to date timeline of the events as they happened. Every new snippet of info came with a another question mark or a vague confirmation from unofficial sources and it has become impossible to accurately narrate the timeline. Hopefully it gets more clarified in the coming weeks.
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Still we should try to compile it from different sources
May 7th time 1:28 am to 1:51sm
Nine terrorist sites hit. ( Name them)
Hit with what?
Total 23 minutes.

7th May Pakistan retaliates with drone attack and border firing
8th May what happened? India took out air defences.
9th May Pakistan fires Fateh-2. Intercepted at Sirsa Harayana.
10th early morning in one hour India hits 11 airbases and radar stations.
11th May DGMO talk and Operation Sindoor paused

I want better fidelity.
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Can't vouch for this:

April 22:

Lashkar-e-Tayyaba’s local outpost, The Resistance Front or TRF, attacks Indian tourists in Pahalgam, J&K, and kills 26 civilians.

Night of May 6 to early hours of May 7:


Operation Sindoor: Indian Armed Forces strike targets and destroy nine terrorist camps in Pakistan and PoK.

Targets of Operation Sindoor:
Sawai Nala camp, Muzaffarabad (PoK) – LeT training centre.
Syedana Bilal camp, Muzaffarabad (PoK) – JeM staging area.
Gulpur camp, Kotli (PoK) – LeT base.
Barnala camp, Bhimber (PoK) – Weapons, IED, jungle survival training centre.
Abbas camp, Kotli (PoK) – LeT Fidayeen training centre.
Sarjal camp, Sialkot (Pakistan) – Training centre.
Mahmoona Jaya camp, Sialkot (Pakistan) – Hizbul Mujahideen camp and control centre.
Markaz Tayyiba, Muridke (Pakistan) – LeT training centre.
Markaz Subhanallah, Bahawalpur (Pakistan) – JeM headquarters, and training and recruitment centre.
Indian Armed Forces respond to Pakistan’s unprovoked mortar and artillery fire across the LoC to bring it to a halt.

Early May 7:

Pakistan begins heavy shelling across LoC in Poonch, hitting near Christ School (killing two students, injuring parents) and a Christian Convent of nuns (damaging infrastructure).

May 7:

Pakistan launches an attack on a Gurdwara in Poonch and homes of Sikh community members in J&K. Fatalities are reported, including the religious musician of the Gurdwara.

Pakistan also increases intensity of unprovoked firing across the LoC in Kupwara, Baramulla, Uri, Poonch, Mendhar, and Rajouri sectors in J&K, India, using mortar and heavy-caliber artillery. This results in 16 civilian deaths and 59 injuries in India by May 8.

Around 8.30 pm IST on May 7:

Pakistan attempts unprovoked drone and missile attacks on multiple Indian military targets (Avantipura, Srinagar, Jammu, Pathankot, Amritsar, Kapurthala, Nal, Jalandhar, Ludhiana, Adampur, Bathinda, Chandigarh, Falaudi, Uttarlai, and Bhuj). These are neutralised by India.

Morning of May 8:

Indian Armed Forces targeted Air Defence radars and systems at a number of locations in Pakistan (response to Pakistan’s attempted attacks on Indian military targets). An Air Defence system at Lahore (Pakistan) was neutralized.

Intervening night of May 8-9:

Pakistan military violates Indian airspace multiple times along the entire western border; fires heavy-caliber weapons along LoC.

Approximately 300-400 Pakistani drones (possibly ASISGUARD SONGAR of Turkey) attempt intrusion at 36 locations from Leh to Sir Creek.

Pakistani armed UAV attempts targeting of Bathinda military station. This is neutralised by India.

Pakistani artillery shelling and armed drone use across LoC at Tangdhar, Uri, Poonch, Mendhar, Rajouri, Akhnoor, and Udhampur in J&K causes Indian Army casualties or injuries.

Indian Armed Forces bring down a number of Pakistani drones using kinetic and non-kinetic means.

Indian armed drones launch at four air defence sites in Pakistan (in response to Pakistani attacks); destroys one AD radar.

Indian retaliatory fire in response to Pakistani shelling across LoC causes losses to the Pakistan Army.

Intervening night of May 9-10:

Aggressive action by Pakistan Army on the entire western front (UCAV, drones, long-range weapons, loitering munitions, fighter aircraft) targets Indian military infrastructure and civilian areas.

Pakistan makes air intrusion and harassment attack attempts at over 26 locations from Srinagar to Naliya. These result in limited damage to equipment/personnel at IAF stations Udhampur, Pathankot, Adampur, Bhuj.

Pakistan targets of medical centres and school premises at Indian air bases of Srinagar, Avantipura, and Udhampur.

Pakistan shells Rajouri town, killing Additional District Development Commissioner Shri Raj Kumar Thapa.

Pakistani action damages property and causes injuries to civilians in Ferozepur and Jalandhar (India).

Pakistan continues drone intrusions and heavy artillery/mortar/small-arm shelling in Kupwara, Baramulla, Poonch, Rajouri, and Akhnoor sectors (India).

1.40 am IST on May 10: Pakistan conducts high-speed missile attack(s) attempting to target airbase(s) in Punjab, India.

Morning of May 10:

Indian Armed Forces carry out precision attacks on identified Pakistani military targets: technical infrastructure, command and control centres, radar sites, weapon storage areas at Rafiqui, Murid, Chaklala, Rahim Yar Khan, Sukkur, and Chunian (Pakistan) using air-launched precision weapons from fighter aircraft.

India targets radar sites at Pasrur and Sialkot aviation base (Pakistan) using precision munitions.

Indian Army responds to Pakistani shelling along LoC, causing damage to Pakistan Army.
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There is much detailed report here:

https://csdronline.com/wp-content/uploa ... ndoor-.pdf
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Thank you bala
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We should look at role of US leadership in Pahalgam crisis.
Chinese silence is loudest.
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Looks like we hit a big munitions storage leading to destruction of large cache of the most advanced weapons of PAF at Murid (I am ruling out nukes). Guessing ALCMs / GLCMs, which were nowhere to be seen. Our weapon penetrated the underground weapons storage leading to a cook off.

https://x.com/Aryan_warlord/status/1927428655875002622 ---> In short #Murid 2 was a "Special weapons" underground storage that was hit by a deep penetrator bunker buster causing whatever was inside to "cook off" inside. The Blast doors contained the blast , heat inside however burnt off the vegetation on the roof of the store penetrated.

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China siding with the terrorists.

China blocks ban on Pakistan terrorists
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bala wrote: 28 May 2025 02:06 Can't vouch for this:

April 22:

Lashkar-e-Tayyaba’s local outpost, The Resistance Front or TRF, attacks Indian tourists in Pahalgam, J&K, and kills

Indian Army responds to Pakistani shelling along LoC, causing damage to Pakistan Army.
+1 very well said, I would like to add 2 more tidbits,

April 15th- Asam Munir states he us going to carry out attacks in Kashmir, April 22 Vice President JD Vance visits, past history of Chitisinghpura etc , attacks happen during such visits to provoke and humiliate India.
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It is becoming apparent that India caused a lot of damage that they have not publicised, including at the LoC.


The Indian public has a right to know. The humiliation of Pakistan needs to be public. Every month a new claim needs to be made. After being duly rebutted by Pakistan, evidence such as the new imagery above needs to be released. Pakistan needs to be humbled before its own people. Let them ask for the truth and then bear the consequence.

The Americans have kept jihadis busy 5000 miles away from the homeland. India needs to do the same. Chaos and disorder in Pakistan means economic and human development advances for millions of people in India. From a utilitarian perspective, it may be a worthwhile trade off.
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One of the persons who died at the hands of terrorists in Kashmir recently was connected to the Indian Navy. In operation sindoor Indian Navy had a role in policing the waters around Karachi, in fact, they were doing an exercise close by. China has effectively taken over Pak land since they are contiguous with them via Karakorum pass. Pak land is an autonomous region of China. China has aided the PN in many ways by giving them ships and submarines.

Vice Admiral Shekar Sinha is very clear that Op Sindoor was a war between India and China and Pak is a testing ground for China maal. Sinha reveals that there is full communication between GHQ Rawalpindi and China's Chengdu center (their western theatre command), the command center is replicated with the Chinese. People in China have specialists who make real time decisions for Pak land in terms of actual war. The Chinese submarines given to Pak land have sub launched cruise missiles and they could be nuclear tipped.

Indian Navy has total awareness 24x7x365 of the Indian Ocean. India also has intelligence sharing with other nations. All chinese ships/submarines are tracked. The Indian Navy has a dedicated satellite for communication. The Chinese are afraid of Quad and are worried stiff, since it has US, India and Japan and of course Aussies. India is hurdle and a banding of Quad countries puts a major monkey wrench into China's dominance plan. The Chinese aircraft carriers is a worrying trend since they will dedicate a few to the Indian ocean and challenge India.

Operation Sindoor to China by Indian Navy? China Pakistan Collusion

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Satellite image analyst Damien writes,
https://x.com/detresfa_/status/11810679 ... kkxZw&s=19
Murid Airbase #Pakistan is almost certainly now a special weapons delivery station. Fencing evident within an already fenced and heavily secure base include:
1) massive Underground facility with guard towers (with connecting tunnel shown in inset during construction)
...
2) special aircraft hangars connecting directly to runway
This indicates a mating/storage area & special aircraft area, both off limits to base employees
https://x.com/Aryan_warlord/status/1927 ... XaW9g&s=19
One more thing visible in the image shared by @VishnuNDTV & @detresfa_ is the Truck at the entry of what is likely a 2nd underground bunker in #Murid , Likely emptying out the 2nd store for movement of "Special weapons" elsewhere .
Breaking the strike target down for those wondering what this facility at PAF #Murid was all about
1) 250Mt x250mt area Double Fenced compound.
2) 4 Guard towers + Security cabin& gate control inside
a PAF base , most PAF airmen would not
have had entry
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As per Arihant Ray we hit the Murid airbase underground structures twice and it is a nuclear weapons storage site.
https://x.com/Ray70409890/status/192746 ... 10fZg&s=19
There's a second crater/impact point in this sat image.

The munition penetrated through the soil and RCC and exploded within the confines of the storage complex below.

Whatever was there inside in the bunker has been totalled.
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We targeted a 60000 sq m hardened underground storage complex that is used to store nuclear warheads, bombs for use by the aerial triad of Strategic Plans Division of Pakistan.

We are hitting nuke storage facilities of a hostile nation with impunity.

That’s some capability.
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a 2019 post on Abhyas

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VI@WA
Operation Charm: Dr. Shashi Tharoor's Global Mission to Defend "Operation Sindoor"



A Satirical Saga of Sass, Sassoon, and Scarlet Streaks

Scene 1: The Announcement

The UN Assembly holds its collective breath. A hush falls. Then comes the news.

"Dr. Shashi Tharoor to lead India’s global delegation for ‘Operation Charm’—a worldwide cultural clarification tour to explain Operation Sindoor."

Indian men everywhere adjust their collars and smirk with pride. WhatsApp groups ignite. Instagram reels declare, “He came. He saw. He charmed. With vocabulary AND vermilion.”

Scene 2: The Mission Briefing

Inside South Block, officials are visibly nervous.

“Sir, we need you to explain the symbolic and spiritual significance of sindoor to the Western world.”

Dr. Tharoor, looking like he’s walked off the set of The Crown, adjusts his Kashmiri shawl and responds:

"My dear fellow Indians and confused foreigners, the Sindoor is not merely a cosmetic crimson condiment; it is the vermillion veritas, a vascular vestige of vows..."

The translator faints. A diplomat from Sweden is heard mumbling, "Did he just say vascular vestige of vows?!"

Scene 3: London – 'The Crown' Meets the Clown

At the British Parliament, a flustered MP asks, “Mr. Tharoor, isn't Sindoor oppressive to women?”

He smiles, adjusts his Ray-Ban spectacles, and replies, "Well, madam, unlike colonialism, it was neither imposed nor taxed. If you wish, I can send over a copy of my 47,000-word essay on the socio-spiritual semiotics of vermillion in subcontinental ethos."

The MP nods, dazed.
BBC titles next day's documentary: "Red, Regal & Radiant: India's Intimate Crimson Legacy."

Scene 4: Paris – Operation Rouge

At the Louvre, standing before the Mona Lisa, Shashi Tharoor is asked by a French art critic,
"Monsieur, why the red powder?"

Tharoor strokes his chin and declares:
"Just as Mona’s smile hides layers of meaning, the Sindoor—strategically nestled at the hairline—is a poetic metaphor. It is India’s answer to existentialism, a crimson commentary on continuity, commitment, and coiffure."

The French swoon. L'Oréal signs him as the brand ambassador for their new line: "Sindoor Sublime – Because He's Worth It."

Scene 5: America – Red, White, and Vermillion

At Harvard, a student in Gender Studies raises a hand:

“Isn’t this patriarchal?”

Tharoor leans back and responds:
"My dear young feminist warrior, patriarchal would be forcing someone to wear it. Celebratory is when Beyoncé wears it on Holi and posts 'Feeling Deviji Vibes'."

Harvard renames their South Asia Studies Lounge: “The Crimson Corridor – Sponsored by Operation Sindoor.”

Scene 6: The Viral Revolution

Back in India, memes explode:

“Tharoor applies Sindoor to dictionary—Oxford faints.”

“French girls queuing up for 'Tharoor Tilak' experience.”

“World in red alert: Operation Sindoor deemed cultural weapon of mass seduction.”

“Italy offers honorary knighthood: Sir Shashi of the Scarlet Strand.”

A viral tweet reads:
"Tharoor is the only man who can apply sindoor with a Shakespearean sonnet and leave UN delegates asking for more."

Scene 7: Finale – Back to Bharat

At IGI Airport, he returns to a hero’s welcome. Brass bands. Selfies. An old auntie touches his feet.

“You’ve defended Sindoor like Abhimanyu in the Chakravyuh of colonial condescension.”

He smiles and says:
"Madam, it's all in a day's work for a humble servant of the scarlet strand."

Operation Charm Report Summary:

Global confusion level: Decreased by 87%

Indian male ego: Inflated by 200%

Vocabulary exposure: Level—Hazardous

World charm index: Broken

Long live Tharoor. Long live the streak.
Sindoor is red, and so is his mystique.
Indians now whisper, “Bro, if Tharoor’s applying it, I’ll wear it too.”

Shashi-ji: The man who weaponized wit, won wars with words, and turned Sindoor into diplomacy..
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Ministry amends FCRA norms: NGOs getting foreign funds can’t publish news content, says MHA

https://indianexpress.com/article/india ... -10032953/

The Ministry of Home Affairs (MHA) has amended the rules under the Foreign Contribution Regulation Act (FCRA) and henceforth, NGOs engaged in publication-related activities and receiving foreign contributions will not be able to publish any newsletter and must get a certificate from the Registrar of Newspapers for India that it does not circulate any news content.

In a notification issued late Monday night, the ministry said under the amended rules, NGOs which are seeking permission to get foreign funding must give an undertaking that they will adhere to the Good Practice Guidelines of the Financial Action Task Force (FATF).

“Such bodies or NGOs, which are seeking registration, must enclose financial statements and audit reports of the last three years, including the statement of assets and liabilities, receipts and payments account, and income and expenditure account,” it said.

“If the audit reports and financial statements do not contain activity-wise expenditure for the last three financial years, a chartered accountant’s certificate specifying the activity-wise amount spent by the association, duly reconciled with the income and expenditure account and the receipt and payment account must be submitted,” it added.
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ANI Summary of Operation Sindoor

https://aninews.in/news/national/genera ... 528131027/
How India "blinded, numbed and paralysed" Pakistan Air Force, set it back "atleast five years"
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Meanwhile, Mockdrills to be conducted in 4 states Neighboring Pakistan Tomorrow, last Mock drill was on 7 May 25

https://www.hindustantimes.com/india-ne ... 03998.html
Mock drill tomorrow in 4 states bordering Pakistan, weeks after Op Sindoor
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chetak wrote: 28 May 2025 12:01 Ministry amends FCRA norms: NGOs getting foreign funds can’t publish news content, says MHA

https://indianexpress.com/article/india ... -10032953/
also, foreign funded and foreign based NGOs should not be allowed to file PILs in the SC

There are, as it is, plenty of Indian gaddar NGOs already doing the same
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India’s biggest mistake in Op Sindoor and why India must get a megaton bomb

Bharat Karnad is an emeritus professor in National Security Studies at the Centre for Policy Research, Delhi and a national security expert. He is the author of India's Nuclear Policy, Nuclear Weapons and Indian Security: The Realist Foundations of Strategy and author-editor of Future Imperilled: India's Security in the 1990s and Beyond. He is widely recognised as one of the best security studies (specialising in nuclear warfare) experts in India.

In this audio-only podcast interview, Karnad spoke to Hindol Sengupta about India's biggest mistake in Operation Sindoor:

•⁠ ⁠the gaps in India's nuclear deterrence,
•⁠ ⁠the urgent need for a megaton bomb in India to effectively counter China,
•⁠ ⁠the need for further nuclear tests to boost India's nuclear deterrence,
•⁠ ⁠the lack of a strong strategic culture in India, even among strategists,
•⁠ ⁠the need to take Pakistan a lot less seriously, and China, a lot more,
•⁠ ⁠and why he thinks the Vedas are a better source for thinking about nuclear deterrence than scholars like Bernard Brodie, Herman Kahn, and Albert Wohlstetter.


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Bk should be ignored . Megaton level bombs don't increase deterrence . And pretty sure we can easily make them . Neither us nor Russia has anything more than 250 KT in weaponized form . They tested huge bombs etc of several megatons but they are impractical and unnecessary . Like the 50 MT tzar bomb that had a 100 km mushroom cloud serves no practical purpose .We went pages and pages of discussion on this a decade ago .
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chetak wrote: 28 May 2025 17:12
chetak wrote: 28 May 2025 12:01 Ministry amends FCRA norms: NGOs getting foreign funds can’t publish news content, says MHA

https://indianexpress.com/article/india ... -10032953/
also, foreign funded and foreign based NGOs should not be allowed to file PILs in the SC

There are, as it is, plenty of Indian gaddar NGOs already doing the same
This system of PIL itself should be abolished. This has given rise to lot of legal busybodies filing PILs on a nudge from abroad.

History of PIL:
Public Interest Litigation (PIL) in India gained prominence in the late 1970s and early 1980s, driven by judicial activism and a focus on making justice accessible to marginalized groups. Key figures like Justice P.N. Bhagwati and Justice V.R. Krishna Iyer played a crucial role in shaping the concept and relaxing the traditional rule of locus standi (legal standing). This shift allowed individuals or groups to file petitions on behalf of others, even if they didn't have a direct personal interest or locus standi in the case.
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Can anyone post deeper analysis on - Justice P.N. Bhagwati and Justice V.R. Krishna Iyer
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ramana wrote: 28 May 2025 00:36 Still we should try to compile it from different sources
May 7th time 1:28 am to 1:51sm
Nine terrorist sites hit. ( Name them)
Hit with what?
Total 23 minutes.

7th May Pakistan retaliates with drone attack and border firing
8th May what happened? India took out air defences.
9th May Pakistan fires Fateh-2. Intercepted at Sirsa Harayana.
10th early morning in one hour India hits 11 airbases and radar stations.
11th May DGMO talk and Operation Sindoor paused

I want better fidelity.
Ramana ji, there is a post by ShauryaT and shared by Rakesh in the forum listing the missile and aircraft used. Link below.
viewtopic.php?p=2648137#p2648137
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This is an interesting article in Small Wars Journal of US

India’s Wake-Up Call: Why US Defense Reform Must Match the Speed of Modern War

by John Spencer, by Vincent Viola

https://smallwarsjournal.com/2025/05/22 ... odern-war/
India, too, offers a compelling model. In 2014, after its own moment of strategic introspection, New Delhi launched the “Make in India” initiative—reforming its defense sector around domestic production, self-reliance, and strategic speed. A decade later, that investment paid off in Operation Sindoor.

Operation Sindoor was more than a swift and precise military response to another cross-border terrorist attack. It marked a strategic inflection point. In just four days, India used domestically developed systems to strike hardened targets across the border with precision, speed, and overwhelming effect. No US systems. No foreign supply lines. Just BrahMos missiles, Akashteer air defense units, and loitering munitions designed or assembled at home.

India’s overwhelming success demonstrated something more enduring than airpower. It validated a national defense doctrine built around efficient domestic industrial strength. And most significantly, it delivered a clear message to its strategic rival. Pakistan—a Chinese proxy by armament, alignment, doctrine—was completely outmatched. Its Chinese-made air defense systems could not stop, detect, or deter India’s precision strikes. In Sindoor, India didn’t just win. It demonstrated overwhelming military superiority against a Chinese-backed adversary.

The BrahMos missile—a supersonic cruise missile co-developed with Russia but now largely manufactured in India—costs approximately $4.85 million per unit. While more expensive than the older U.S. Tomahawk ($1 to $2.5 million, depending on the variant), BrahMos delivers unmatched speed and kinetic impact at nearly Mach 3—a distinct performance advantage. Meanwhile, India’s Akashteer system—an AI-integrated air defense control and reporting network—is being fielded at a fraction of the cost of U.S. systems like NASAMS or Patriot. With a contract value of just $240 million for a full suite of integrated capabilities, Akashteer exemplifies India’s ability to deploy high-performance, scalable systems without the financial burdens typical of Western platforms. Together, these investments reflect a strategic model built on capability, speed, and cost-efficiency—one the United States would do well to study.

India’s drone usage during Sindoor reinforced the point. The SkyStriker—an Israeli-developed loitering munition assembled domestically—and the Harop, a long-range autonomous loitering munition, proved critical to India’s ability to identify and strike key terrorist targets with precision.

This wasn’t theory. It was execution. These systems were not boutique prototypes—they were deployed, tested, and validated in a real war.

Meanwhile, Pakistani defenses—built largely around older Chinese systems like the LY-80, HQ-9/P, and FM-90—were powerless to detect, deter, or respond to the strikes. In the skies over Pakistan, India didn’t just dominate. It redefined regional deterrence.

India has already moved from 30% to 65% domestic sourcing in defense capital procurement, with a goal of 90% by the decade’s end. It increased capital outlays for domestic production from $6 billion in 2019-2020 to nearly $20 billion in 2023-24. It allowed up to 74% FDI in defense, bringing in foreign partners while building indigenous capacity. India didn’t just talk about reform. It executed it. And it won.

India has become a master of the physics of lethality. The United States can learn from their success and model some of their changes for its own needs.
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Hriday wrote: 28 May 2025 21:07
ramana wrote: 28 May 2025 00:36 Still we should try to compile it from different sources
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I want better fidelity.
Ramana ji, there is a post by ShauryaT and shared by Rakesh in the forum listing the missile and aircraft used. Link below.
viewtopic.php?p=2648137#p2648137
Hriday - I think the post by ShauryaT that you have mentioned probably is incorrect data and was based on prelim guesstimates. Per that post, it seemed most of the strikes were done with Rafale and Scalp. However, with more recent info coming out, including videos from the other side, the Brahmos was used at quite a few locations. With the official announcements of the use of air launched Brahmos, it would imply Su-30 was used in the strike.
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3D description of Murid airbase underground bunker which was hit by Indian air force. By DFI Lite. As per him it is the Pakistan Air force strategic force command head quarters bunker.
https://x.com/DfIlite/status/1362323335 ... IjQwQ&s=19
Watch full video here, including 3D models of PAF strategic force HQ bunker and nuke storage bunker.

youtu.be/r5TRVnt247s
Full YouTube link below.
youtu.be/r5TRVnt247s
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India’s Wake-Up Call: Why US Defense Reform Must Match the Speed of Modern War

by John Spencer, by Vincent Viola
The authors are very significant. Vincent Viola at one point was rumored to be nominated to be defense secretary by trump
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gakakkad wrote: 28 May 2025 22:27
India’s Wake-Up Call: Why US Defense Reform Must Match the Speed of Modern War

by John Spencer, by Vincent Viola
The authors are very significant. Vincent Viola at one point was rumored to be nominated to be defense secretary by trump
Col. John Spencer is an authority on urban combat. Teaches at West point.
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The article by US authorities on the subject, must really wake up the dudes in China, since they were behind the scenes with Pak. All their equipment was for naught. This brings up the interesting topic of whether India needs to take out Tibet and solve the China problem once and for all. A bevy of brahmos unload, with their AD disabled would be a quick victory. A free Tibet would unravel Pak completely and most of the border issues with China will disappear.
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I am pretty sure the golden dome thingy is driven by India recent performance. Us doesn't have a comparably well guarded air defense . If mexico or Canada become us foes and send drone swarms us would not fare well.
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