Operation Sindoor - Post Conflict Analysis

[Avinandan]

A bevy of brahmos unload, with their AD disabled would be a quick victory. A free Tibet would unravel Pak completely and most of the border issues with China will disappear.

Bala Saar, I beg to disagree. China has lent export copies of their military hardware so let's atleast not undermine their bad capabilities. It is time for India to strengthen and hone its defences (OTH Radars, Drones, AI tech, Anti Drone stems, Artillery, Anti Submarine tech) backed by significant military industry. IMHO I think it would take atleast 15 years to think of freeing Tibet. The focus should be on getting PoK and Aksai Chin first.

[RCase]

^^^
Geographically, the US doesn't have the express need of dealing with swarm drones. Highly unlikely that Mexico and Canada will become foes. Other countries are too far away to send drones. Maybe China might be sending their new concept drone mothership to let loose a drone swarm. But how likely is that to succeed before the mothership gets shot.

I think the Golden dome is a DOD boondoggle to go spend money.

[RCase]

The article by US authorities on the subject, must really wake up the dudes in China, since they were behind the scenes with Pak. All their equipment was for naught. This brings up the interesting topic of whether India needs to take out Tibet and solve the China problem once and for all. A bevy of brahmos unload, with their AD disabled would be a quick victory. A free Tibet would unravel Pak completely and most of the border issues with China will disappear.

Not sure about freeing Tibet. Along with Galwan, it will make Cheen rethink salami slicing and occupying Indian territory or sending nuisance value drones into Indian airspace. Best is to arm countries that surround China with Brahmos, like Vietnam, Philippines, Indonesia, Taiwan and Japan. Possibly have Taiwan rethink their AD systems.

[Amber G.]

India Just Gave Turkey a Reality Check – Using Nuclear Physics without using Missiles or Drones!

- Special to BRF

So here's what went down.

After Turkey openly backed Pakistan during Operation Sindoor—sending drones, pilots, and all—they had the audacity to ask India for thorium nuclear tech. Yup, thorium, the stuff we have been quietly mastering for decades thanks to the genius of Homi Bhabha and other scientists.

But India? Cool, calm, and strategic. Flat out said no.

Why? Because Erdogan wasn’t just looking for clean energy. He’s been dreaming of turning Turkey into a nuclear power and positioning himself as the leader of the Muslim world. The whole “peaceful nuclear program” thing? Just a cover.

Thing is, Turkey has a ton of thorium—over 380,000 tonnes. But thorium isn’t plug-and-play. You need serious tech to turn Thorium-232 into Uranium-233, which can be used in weapons if someone wants to go that route. And guess who’s really good at that tech? India.

Our thorium reactors are part of a long-term, peaceful plan to keep India energy-secure. But we also know this tech is powerful. We guard it for a reason.

So when Erdogan came knocking (again and again—he’s visited India three times), hoping to get in on that tech, India gave a polite but firm “No, thanks.”

And after Turkey sided with Pakistan? That no became a very strategic "Not a chance."

This is classic Modi diplomacy: no chest-thumping, no missiles flying—just letting science, policy, and national interest do the talking. And honestly? IMO It’s the perfect response.

Turkey wanted power. India showed it already has it—without firing a shot.

Now this quiet strategic victory is making headlines in mainstream media—thanks to the new doctrine of Modi:
Nuclear bomb, dream of becoming Muslim world leader, India exposed Turkey’s thorium plan, Erdogan angry

[bala]

China has lent export copies of their military hardware so let's atleast not undermine their bad capabilities.

Vice Admiral Shekar Sinha basically said that Pak is autonomous region of china and they use Pak land to test out their jee whiz equipment. BTW their Beidou system is fraught with issues. India can jam both GPS and Beidou. South of Sutlej in Pak land is dominated by US maal. In the Sindoor conflict, China tested out their equipment (not just export variety which failed utterly) against India and it failed. The problem with Chinese equipment are they are copies of other systems thrown together haphazardly to pretend it has matching specs of copied maal. In actual war it fails. The equipment with PLA is similar, all jee whiz stuff without proper training nor a logistical/maintenance system to operate them. Their tank failed in demo in Russia. Except for their missiles I think China is skating on thin ice of shoddy equipment. In tibet any aircraft that the Chinese have, they cannot be fully loaded with weapons for take-off. Once you disable the AD of Tibet, it is mince meat time for India to take out PLA and PLAAF.

[williams]

China has lent export copies of their military hardware so let's atleast not undermine their bad capabilities.

Vice Admiral Shekar Sinha basically said that Pak is autonomous region of china and they use Pak land to test out their jee whiz equipment. BTW their Beidou system is fraught with issues. India can jam both GPS and Beidou. South of Sutlej in Pak land is dominated by US maal. In the Sindoor conflict, China tested out their equipment (not just export variety which failed utterly) against India and it failed. The problem with Chinese equipment are they are copies of other systems thrown together haphazardly to pretend it has matching specs of copied maal. In actual war it fails. The equipment with PLA is similar, all jee whiz stuff without proper training nor a logistical/maintenance system to operate them. Their tank failed in demo in Russia. Except for their missiles I think China is skating on thin ice of shoddy equipment. In tibet any aircraft that the Chinese have, they cannot be fully loaded with weapons for take-off. Once you disable the AD of Tibet, it is mince meat time for India to take out PLA and PLAAF.

I am hearing Chinese and by extension Pakis have poor MRO culture and hence don't spend enough on such facilities. The F-Solas were maintained by the Americans that too with aid money. Pakis at some point could not afford to pay for their maintenance and Biden admin bailed them out a bit but not that much. If that is the situation, nuke warheads need a lot more maintenance. I wonder who is paying for that.

[RCase]

I am hearing Chinese and by extension Pakis have poor MRO culture and hence don't spend enough on such facilities. The F-Solas were maintained by the Americans that too with aid money. Pakis at some point could not afford to pay for their maintenance and Biden admin bailed them out a bit but not that much. If that is the situation, nuke warheads need a lot more maintenance. I wonder who is paying for that.

Question is whether they even had their own nuke warheads, or was it a bluff?

[bala]

Pak nuke bluff can be easily proved with logic. Simple question: if a nation says it created the nuclear weapon, then there would be sufficient engineers, scientist and others who were part of the project. Who are these people in Pak land? We know of A Q Khan a chap who worked at Norenco in Netherlands and stole their centrifuge technology back to Pak land. This chap was entrusted with enriching Uranium using centrifuges. The requirement for a nuclear bomb are highly enriched uranium and the higher you go it is harder to get that extra refinement which is needed for a bomb. These AQ Khan centrifuges were sold via China to N. Korea, Iran and Libya. However these nations quickly realized they will not do the job and abandoned them. Similar to china maal in Sindoor.

A nuclear bomb is not simply enriched uranium, it is about having two exact machined halves which can be fused by a trigger to make it critical for chain reaction. Arey baba, this requires science, math and industrial skills all present with Pak land? Let us assume the Chinese gave them lectures and so on. China is not going to give away their secrets for nothing, they are bound by international rules (which they flout all the time). But in this case they are not going to reveal something like nuke secrets to a piddly nation like Pak. A Q Khan cobbled up some shady device and it was tested but failed. Yes, pak has some enrichment tech but it is not sufficient. It is similar to Iran, they are purportedly on the verge of getting there. However it is a tricky matter to get bomb grade stuff.

Even if Pak has a nuclear weapon why would they agree with a 3rd country to safeguard their nukes? Does not make any sense.

Just based on the above one can conclude no nukes for Pak. However there is the concept of dirty bomb, all it requires is some enriched uranium from A Q Khan centrifuges, wrapped with TNT explosive and lo and behold you can threaten anyone. Pak has a bunch of these dirty bombs, more like enriched uranium from their centrifuges. However if the Jihadis get hold of it then PA could be blackmailed. Hence the need for safeguarding them and voila they agreed with US to keep them under their lock and key. For the external world Pak is listed as nuclear country which India shredded to zilch recently in Operation Sindoor.

[Amber G.]

I am hearing Chinese and by extension Pakis have poor MRO culture and hence don't spend enough on such facilities. The F-Solas were maintained by the Americans that too with aid money. Pakis at some point could not afford to pay for their maintenance and Biden admin bailed them out a bit but not that much. If that is the situation, nuke warheads need a lot more maintenance. I wonder who is paying for that.

Question is whether they even had their own nuke warheads, or was it a bluff?

FWIW: Nuclear warheads indeed require significant, ongoing maintenance to remain functional—far more than most people assume.

- Routine Surveillance & Testing - Components degrade over time, explosives, electronics, and radioactive materials.


-Life Extensionn -very cosly , decades-long efforts to modernize and extend the lifespan -
( replacing tritium (short half-life ~12 years), updating electronics etc)
Tritium, essential for boosting, decays continuously. It must be replenished every 4–6 years.
( India and US has luxury of enough Tritium, others don't).

Also guarding, monitoring, and climate control cost millions annually..,,For Pakistan, that foreign funding or "assistance" (like China or Saudi Arabia) may help underwrite the cost. The U.S. reportedly provided some security aid post-9/11 - to ensure warheads stayed safe but not sure how much it gives.. estimated cost per most sources could be around 1 or 2 Billion dollars per year..

(For perspective, from what i read - US spends around $50 Billion per year, India around $3 Billion per year)

As to ³H - For India - PHWRs using natural uranium and D₂O as moderator and coolant are ideal for breeding tritium. For Pak things are not very clear but IMO Khushab can also yield tritium as a side product in sufficient quantity.

[Vayutuvan]

VI@WA

Operation Charm: Dr. Shashi Tharoor's Global Mission to Defend "Operation Sindoor"
...

@chetak gaaru, this is thinly veiled hit piece on Modi government, Sindoor - both the hindu practice and the operation itself, Indian men, and the "charm offensive" itself via ST. It is probably written by Muslim Sheikhupeeru Ass (MSA) or Haram Guha or some handler of RaGa sitting in UK LSE or some such stinking place. I saw it on one my WA groups and reamed the a** of the person who posted it there from where he got it from.

It is total crap.

[Vayutuvan]

I think the Golden dome is a DOD boondoggle to go spend money.

Absolutely. But I am not sure where GOTUS is going to get the money unless they cut Medicaid or increase their debt. Probably that USD 61 B will come from stupid Canadian taxpayers which will disappear into the pockets of American defense contractors.

[Vayutuvan]

India needs to take out Tibet and solve the China problem once and for all.

Tibet is a lost cause so is HK. Only Taiwan is still hot. Maybe NoKo can be made to turn against Emperor Eleven.

[Luxtor]

...one of the above posts mentioned that India should arm countries that surround China with Brahmos missiles and other Indian weapons to tie down the chicoms. But we have to be cold steel pragmatic too. You think Vietnam or Philippines going to join our fight against China, if it happens, even with the weapons we supply to them? No. In light of Phalgam massacre by the pukis, and our military response, Vietnam or Philippines have not uttered any clear words of condemnation for the massacre or support for us in our fight back against the pukis. So don't rely on anyone. They'll gladly take our weapons for their own needs but will not necessarily be in our corner when push comes to shove. Selling for cash is one thing but do not expect anything in return, other than payments for products and services rendered. There is even a big risk in selling to these countries, as we don't have control of what they will do with our technology some years down the road. The Philippinos can let the Americans have a deep look at it, so can the Vietnamese, for one reason or another when the winds of geopolitics change. When it comes to our fight for survival aginst the pukis and Chinese, we're pretty much alone. As a matter of fact the Americans & the West and countries worldwide in their orbit near or far will probably support pukis directly or indirectly or be very adamantly silent or ask both parties to ceasefire and come to the negotiating table.

[bala]

Maybe NoKo can be made to turn against Emperor Eleven.

NoKo already aligned with Rus bypassing Eleven. Rus gave Kim an IL-78 transport aircraft and Aurus senat bullet proof limousine state car. NoKo sent some soldiers to fight against Ukr. Just imagine if DJT and Kim make a deal with US. NoKo is the closet to Beijing distance wise and the US will have super front row seat to the happenings around China.

[pravula]

Maybe NoKo can be made to turn against Emperor Eleven.

NoKo already aligned with Rus bypassing Eleven. Rus gave Kim an IL-78 transport aircraft and Aurus senat bullet proof limousine state car. NoKo sent some soldiers to fight against Ukr. Just imagine if DJT and Kim make a deal with US. NoKo is the closet to Beijing distance wise and the US will have super front row seat to the happenings around China.

US is already there in SoKo, cannot get any more front-row than that

[Amber G.]

Meanwhile - Pakis thank for:

[ramana]

I think eventually we will find that China gave the domestic version of PL-15 missile. Not the export version.

After the drawdown in Galwan logically they would rearm Pakistan .

[Amber G.]

"Before We Could..." — Shehbaz Sharif Reveals Pakistan's National Defense Now Runs on Prayer Timings

Pakistan planned a 4:30 a.m. response to India’s strikes—after Fajr prayers. India responded earlier. Lesson: Don’t bring a prayer rug to a missile fight.
'Before we could...Watch it..

Pakistani PM Admits On Camera, How Brahmos Hit Pakistan Before It Could React

[Amber G.]

Sorry my one post got accidentally deleted .. posting it again .

Re: Operation Sindoor - Post Conflict Analysis
Post by Amber G. » 29 May 2025 14:30 (Reposting)

"Before We Could..." — Shehbaz Sharif Reveals Pakistan's National Defense Now Runs on Prayer Timings

- Special to BRF

In what might be the most unintentionally honest moment in recent geopolitical history, Pakistan’s Prime Minister Shehbaz Sharif admitted—again—that Indian BrahMos missiles struck deep inside Pakistan, smashing military targets including Rawalpindi’s Nur Khan Airbase... before Pakistan could finish its morning prayers and respond.

Yes, you read that right. Pakistan had bravely scheduled its retaliation against India's Operation Sindoor for exactly 4:30 a.m., right after Fajr, because apparently their missiles can’t launch before divine approval and a good stretch. Unfortunately, India operates on a different timeline—one based on satellite intel, not crescent moons—and struck before Pakistan’s alarm went off.

Sharif’s statement was delivered at a trilateral summit in Azerbaijan, where he solemnly described how India rudely interrupted Pakistan’s “measured response” by preemptively flattening airbases, terror launchpads, and militant infrastructure. The nerve! It’s almost like India didn’t want to wait around and see how many Pakistani missiles were left in working condition.

Let’s recap: Operation Sindoor was India’s answer to the Pahalgam terror attack. The result? Over 100 militants neutralized, nine terror launchpads wiped out, and eleven Pakistani airbases rendered... decorative. Pakistan, meanwhile, was still lighting incense and forming committees.

Now, after getting walloped mid-snore, Sharif has switched to "Peace Mode." He’s suddenly very interested in dialogue—on Kashmir, terrorism, water, trade, horoscopes, possibly even climate change. India, however, has been refreshingly clear: “Terrorism and talks cannot go together.” Translation: Stop sending militants, and maybe we’ll answer the phone.

As for Kashmir, India reminded everyone that the only discussion on the table is when Pakistan plans to vacate PoK. And on water issues, the Indus Waters Treaty remains suspended until Pakistan figures out how to stop weaponizing jihadis. India’s response was poetic: “Water and blood cannot flow together.”

So now, while Sharif is busy asking for peace talks, India has already moved on. The message is clear: Don't poke the elephant—especially when you’re still busy setting your alarm clock.

With Input from TOI : Before we could ... ': Shehbaz Sharif confesses Indian BrahMos missiles struck Pakistan, destroyed airport

Input from WION: <video - 3 mintes>

[Amber G.]

... that AM was the root cause for pahalgam and and ergo the humiliation they got as a result of that adventure.

@CMShehbaz has just thrown Field Marshal Asim Munir under the bus.
* Asim Munir failed to protect Pakistan. Before Pak could launch an attack, while they offered Namaz, Indian BrahMos missiles hit multiple air bases in Pakistan

[Amber G.]

I think eventually we will find that China gave the domestic version of PL-15 missile. Not the export version.

After the drawdown in Galwan logically they would rearm Pakistan .

PL-15E missile (the one used by Pakistan against India) is an exported piece of equipment

: --per Chinese military..

[sanjaykumar]

The venerable chinaman should be aware of the fallacy of circular reasoning.

It is an exported missile therefore it is an export.

Informs nothing of whether the missile is in fact the same as used by people’s suppression army.

[Amber G.]

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[Amber G.]

Meanwhile:
Aaj ki taja khabar-
'For the sake of peace': After Operation Sindoor, Pakistan changes tune, calls for dialogue with India

Oh, how the tables have turned!

After years of chest-thumping and “Kashmir banega Pakistan” slogans echoing from every corner of Islamabad’s echo chamber, suddenly Pakistan’s PM Shehbaz Sharif is singing a brand-new tune—“Let’s talk, yaar, for peace’s sake!” All it took was India unleashing Operation Sindoor and turning nine terror launchpads and eleven airbases into smoking craters. Poof—diplomacy unlocked!
At summits in Azerbaijan and Tehran, Sharif is on a “World Peace Tour 2025”, earnestly pleading, “Let’s sit and talk like gentlemen!” Apparently, terrorism, Kashmir, water—sab kuch is now open for discussion, as long as someone picks up the phone from Delhi.

(Meanwhile, Modi’s response? Classic: “Sure, we’ll talk—only about PoK and terrorism.” That’s it. No flowery speeches, no tearful appeals. Just a hard line served cold with surgical precision.

[bala]

One of the things India did to Pak land in Sindoor is abeyance of Indus water treaty. The Pak land and China dudes are going hammer and tongs in saying that retribution in Brahmaputra river is coming to India. This is a tall claim since Brahmaputra in Tibet only contributes 15% water whereas the majority of water is collected by monsoons and other tributaries of Brahmaputra are well within India. It is not going to affect India, instead it will affect BD. Again another brilliant tactical move but all bluff, no substance. Another thing the Chinese have been doing is plans to create a dam across brahmaputra with 3 penstock flows through at least 20 km of mountains in himalayas to tap 60 GW of power greater than the 3 gorges dam. Wonderbar, with such huge investments who is going to consume power. To send power over to china they need additional infra across glaciers/mountains to evacuate power. Good luck. Then they want to feed their excess water into mainland china. BTW mainland china is water deficit and faces drought/floods all the time. One of their main river almost dried up and people could walk across them. There is a looming crisis of water in China and their rare earth mining has polluted the ground very badly.

Lt Gen P R Shankar has lived in the north east and is intimately familiar with the terrain. You can watch the YT for much detail by copy and paste into browser:
Implications of proposed China dam on Brahmaputra
youtube.com/watch?v=9a-npE-Tfx4

Shankar says that China is doing such things out of desperation. He believes such pie-in-the-sky investments are done to increase their GDP numbers. However the whole thing is subject to the vagaries of monsoon, earthquakes and climate change which are double whammys compared to the benefits.

India should have a plan of taking away parts of tibet at least the rivers away from China, before these chaps make a mess of the place. The Chinese aren't doing anything to help Tibet, it is about mainland China which is facing a water crisis. Pakis are screwed for a long time.

[RCase]

Meanwhile:
...
suddenly Pakistan’s PM Shehbaz Sharif is singing a brand-new tune—“Let’s talk, yaar, for peace’s sake!” All it took was India unleashing Operation Sindoor and turning nine terror launchpads and eleven airbases into smoking craters. Poof—diplomacy unlocked!
At summits in Azerbaijan and Tehran, Sharif is on a “World Peace Tour 2025”, earnestly pleading, “Let’s sit and talk like gentlemen!” Apparently, terrorism, Kashmir, water—sab kuch is now open for discussion, as long as someone picks up the phone from Delhi.

Congratulations Shehbaz Sharif and Faquar of Mulk Ass-saaf Manure on your spectacular WIN!
Here are those 6 rafales shot down by the fizaya that Shehabaz can brag about and add to his photo collection... (yes it is the IAF's aircraft! )

[Amber G.]

^^^ Sorry if posted before:
Pakistani political and military elite tried to pass off an 8-year-old photo from China as image of an attack against India during Operation Sindoor...

[Sumeet]

Meanwhile:
...
suddenly Pakistan’s PM Shehbaz Sharif is singing a brand-new tune—“Let’s talk, yaar, for peace’s sake!” All it took was India unleashing Operation Sindoor and turning nine terror launchpads and eleven airbases into smoking craters. Poof—diplomacy unlocked!
At summits in Azerbaijan and Tehran, Sharif is on a “World Peace Tour 2025”, earnestly pleading, “Let’s sit and talk like gentlemen!” Apparently, terrorism, Kashmir, water—sab kuch is now open for discussion, as long as someone picks up the phone from Delhi.

Congratulations Shehbaz Sharif and Faquar of Mulk Ass-saaf Manure on your spectacular WIN!
Here are those 6 rafales shot down by the fizaya that Shehabaz can brag about and add to his photo collection... (yes it is the IAF's aircraft! )

Where did you get these pics ?

How do can one determine authenticity for this pic ? I have not seen this reported in mainstream media yet.

[RCase]

^^^
Chill birather! That is only satire... Just managed to find a picture of 6 Rafales of the IAF all lined up! This is only to stoke the wet dreams of the Pakis while we guys have a chuckle.

[williams]

Meanwhile:
Aaj ki taja khabar-
'For the sake of peace': After Operation Sindoor, Pakistan changes tune, calls for dialogue with India

Oh, how the tables have turned!

After years of chest-thumping and “Kashmir banega Pakistan” slogans echoing from every corner of Islamabad’s echo chamber, suddenly Pakistan’s PM Shehbaz Sharif is singing a brand-new tune—“Let’s talk, yaar, for peace’s sake!” All it took was India unleashing Operation Sindoor and turning nine terror launchpads and eleven airbases into smoking craters. Poof—diplomacy unlocked!
At summits in Azerbaijan and Tehran, Sharif is on a “World Peace Tour 2025”, earnestly pleading, “Let’s sit and talk like gentlemen!” Apparently, terrorism, Kashmir, water—sab kuch is now open for discussion, as long as someone picks up the phone from Delhi.

(Meanwhile, Modi’s response? Classic: “Sure, we’ll talk—only about PoK and terrorism.” That’s it. No flowery speeches, no tearful appeals. Just a hard line served cold with surgical precision.

We can talk only with the field Mar saal and no other chai biscoot walas

[vaibhavs]

Is there an analysis done on the Bhatinda crash images by an SDRE? I have seen shiv's analysis on Akhnoor, Pampore crashes and they definitely seem to be PAF JF-17 and Mirage-V.

[Shameek]

^^ There is no analysis available in public domain unless it is from the other side. It is best to focus on what was achieved over those 3 days. Losses if any are part of a war and the goal is to achieve our objectives - which we did with flying colors.

[Amber G.]

Here are those 6 rafales shot down by the fizaya that Shehabaz can brag about and add to his photo collection.

Where did you get these pics ?

How do can one determine authenticity for this pic ? I have not seen this reported in mainstream media yet.

Mainstream media will not report it, but BRF can -

[pravula]

Is there an analysis done on the Bhatinda crash images by an SDRE? I have seen shiv's analysis on Akhnoor, Pampore crashes and they definitely seem to be PAF JF-17 and Mirage-V.

No true Indian gives a flying frack about how many IAF or PAF birds went down. We care about how many missions were a success within their predicted loss ratio. As far as I can see, GOI, IAF and IA seem to be happy about it.

[prashantsharma]

^^ There is no analysis available in public domain unless it is from the other side. It is best to focus on what was achieved over those 3 days. Losses if any are part of a war and the goal is to achieve our objectives - which we did with flying colors.

I didnt find the pic of the Rafales tail fin to be realistic. It looks like plate metal to me, not carbon composite which i think is what the fin is made of. It does not have any internal space or volume for wiring etc. for the EW/RWR which sits above that portion of the fin and there is so sign of wiring.

Flight Global magazine also raised question marks over the photos and was critical of cnn and reuters haste to take them as real.

Most importantly, i find it unbelievable that a plane crashes in a heavily populated place like bhatinda and there is precisely only one video and one pic of the crash. Compare to how many videos get uploaded on YT and X when a plane crashes in peacetime within minutes. The authorities will take atleast 15-30 min to reach the site and by then it would be viral with no way of scrubbing them from the internet.

Lastly i personally will only accept a kill claim which comes with a reasonably good standard of proof, and that applies to claims made by both sides. So as yet i dont accept any claims made by either side of a AAM or SAM kill.
Even if aam or sam kills are excluded, the IAF still gave the paf a solid drubbing and i am all praises for the IAF.

[williams]

I am not sure what is the point of photo chor analysis? Why do we need to defend things that is published by famous firangi fake news channels? It is for those firangi channels to defend their fake news.

Is there any doubt among our arm chair generals that the Paki goose is cooked inside out? On the first day of the Op we proved Pakis are state sponsors of terror as we rendered punishment. On the subsequent days we proved their imported mall are duds and our own indigenous products worked beyond expectation. On the final the day we proved we can hit any part of their country with impunity.

We also learn't that the so called bonhomie with Americans is mostly fake and they will dump us for their old terrorist pasand munna in minutes notice. The .5 front that was feared before has mostly become impotent and has very little voice or influence among the masses. There was only passive Chinese support for their munna in public.

Moving forward there is going to be geopolitical realignment. Americans are not going to get that much of a free ride in India. If anything there is going to be a lot of distrust-based transactional reciprocity. There is going to be huge investment in domestic capability.

[Aditya_V]

I think we can summarize Operation Sindoor and Pehalgam so far.

JD Vance visit was scheduled 21/22 Apr 25, Like Chittisinghpura , Pulwama, URI, Pathankot etc Pakis had planned an attack, they get a perverse pleasure out of saying we hit you but you can't do anything. on 16 Apr 25, Asim Munir publicly states we are going to heat up Kashmir again.

OPERATION SINDOOR- only Air operations - as far I understand.

Night of 6th-7 May

IAF flies Banshee and Lakshya's with some transponder's etc- PAF gets excited, lights up all radars fires/ sprays HQ-9, Amraams and PL15E's in Large Numbers.

Once this engagement is over IAF targets specific Terror 9 basis
PAF tries to attack again and loses a JF-17 near Sialkot/ Jammu

7th-8 MAY

Turkish Drones along with HATF-1 and 2 are launched in Large Numbers, anything which hitting anything important is intercepted
With All clear given to IAF to respond to hit military targets once the Drones are launched
A SAAB 2000 is intercepted by S-400 and a F-16 goes down near Jaisalmer, India side or Paki side to be confirmed.
On morning of 8 May 25, IAF drones/ rampage take out a lot PAF AIr defense radars, in Walton Road-Lahore, Gujranwala, PAF Murid, Karachi Malir airbase. PAF Losses HQ-9, HQ-16, LY-80, TPN-77 plus 4-5 AIrbase related radars.

9th-10 MAY

Pakistan again Fires Drones , HATF-1 and 2 which are intercepted and based on intelligence IAF again hits key TEL, Mobile control areas of PAF at Nur Khan Airbase and at PAF Murid a key weapons storage facility is taken out.
PAF launches Shaheen 1 Missile at Delhi which is intercepted by MR SAM over Sirsa
PAF launches an attack on Srinagar with Missiles or actual fighters which are intercepted near Srinagar.
IAF uses a Lot Brahmos at PAF Bholari/ Jacobabad, PAF Sargoda, Kirana Hills etc. Losing SAAB 2000, many fighters etc.

I think it possible some US technicians also perished in PAF Jacobobad , THE US then uses Extreme pressure to intervene on behalf of Pakis who are stunned at this point.

The Indian Army also undertook a lot of operations and caused a lot of damage to the Pakis but as usual Pakis are trying to hide their losses.

[Hriday]

3D description of Murid airbase underground bunker which was hit by Indian air force. By DFI Lite. As per him it is the Pakistan Air force strategic force command head quarters bunker.
https://x.com/DfIlite/status/1362323335 ... IjQwQ&s=19

Watch full video here, including 3D models of PAF strategic force HQ bunker and nuke storage bunker.

youtu.be/r5TRVnt247s

Full YouTube link below.
youtu.be/r5TRVnt247s

In the context of reports of Indian strike on Kirana hills nuclear weapons storage site and the Murid airbase bunker in Pakistan;


From Wikipedia, link below.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuclear_sharing

Weapons provided for nuclear sharing in NATO by the United States

Country Base Estimated
Belgium - Kleine Brogel - 20
Germany - Büchel - 20
Italy Aviano - 20-30
Ghedi - 10-15

Netherlands Volkel 20
Turkey Incirlik 20

Potential nuclear sharing between Pakistan and Saudi Arabia

It is common belief among foreign officials that Saudi Arabia and Pakistan have an understanding in which Pakistan would supply Saudi Arabia with warheads if security in the Persian Gulf was threatened. A Western official told The Times that Saudi Arabia could have the nuclear warheads in a matter of days of approaching Pakistan. Pakistan's ambassador to Saudi Arabia, Muhammed Naeem Khan, was quoted as saying, "Pakistan considers the security of Saudi Arabia not just as a diplomatic or an internal matter but as a personal matter." Naeem also said that the Saudi leadership considered Pakistan and Saudi Arabia to be one country and that any threat to Saudi Arabia is also a threat to Pakistan.[57] Other vendors were also likely to enter into a bidding war if Riyadh indicated that it was seeking nuclear warheads. Both Saudi Arabia and Pakistan have denied the existence of any such agreement.[58] Western intelligence sources have told The Guardian that "the Saudi monarchy paid for up to 60% of the Pakistani nuclear programme, and in return has the option to buy a small nuclear arsenal ('five to six warheads') off the shelf".

[fanne]

My personal belief is that what is in public about PAF loses inonly 10%. They lost much more but IAF/GOI is not publicly declaring, having delivered a very sound private thaappad (the only thing that matters). It has punished them and provided them a ladder to climb down (from the escalation ladder). As people lay hands on more photos, things will become more clear.

IAF did not go after planes primely (as they can be very easily replaced by TSP foreign sponsors), it went after personnel, manning command and control (in a big way).

Similarly BSF/IA went after launch pads, posts/bunkers that were harassing us and had delivered quite a punch there (not being discussed publicly at all).

All in all I think PAF/PA/Rangers may have lost between 500-1000 personnel.

[S_Madhukar]

One lesson for me is that in the world of hybrid, 5th generation warfare etc , 2 tight slaps can deliver a whole lot of results - that we should ideally have been capable of - just reacting and adherence to equality dynamics of you send 1 plane and I send 1 plane and world watches tamasha is now gone.
Same thing is true in personal life as well as geopolitics.
At some level I hope both Unkil and Lizard realise how low they have stooped to be goody goody with phatichars. If your best friend is the druggie child molester , surely you are lacking in culture and nuance